Why British Fishermen Are Excited About Brexit (HBO)
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- Опубликовано: 13 фев 2017
- U.K. fishermen are some of the strongest supporters of Brexit, alleging that the European Union’s control of what they catch and where hurts their trade. After Brexit, however, British fishermen could be able to catch hundreds of thousands of tons more fish.
Fishing in the EU is highly regulated, and those regulations can be complex. Each member state has a specific quota for each species, and that quota changes in different parts of EU waters. Fishermen in some countries can also sail further into foreign territory than others.
British fishermen say the limits set by the EU’s fisheries policy are unfair and need to change, but supporters argue that the quotas have maintained, and sometimes increased, fish stocks. And with 66 percent of British fish earmarked for export, U.K. fisherman will still want access to the EU market in any deal brokered.
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This video didn’t age well.
They wanted Brexit and now these ignorant and greedy bastards are moaning. I hope they end up homeless.
Came here to say that
Just like the rotten fish, independence for Scotland. 🇪🇺🏴🇪🇺
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It's true though, they are the ones to blame for their own stupidity...
Didn't aged well at all 😆...
Brexiters: Half of all fish are exported, 80% of it to the EU, so let's leave the EU.
I just saw they think fishermen should "just" sell them in the UK. Their ignorance is amazing.
If EU needs fish so badly they can just buy it from UK with a good price
@@MegaFarkh UK isn't the only country in Europe fishing you know?
In 2018 Uk fished 800Kt against:
Norway: 3,5Mt
Spain: 1,2Mt
Iceland: 1,1Mt
France: 730Kt
Danemark: 700Kt
Faroe Islands: 650Kt
Rest of EU: +2,5Mt
And near countries like:
Russia: 5Mt
Egypt: 1,7Mt
Morocco: 1,45Mt
Or Uk represent 7% of Europe production and even less considering Russia, Egypt and Morocco
@@bobincognito6239 the majority of this tons come from UK shores, so with the brexit EU is angry with the huge shortage in fish.
Morocco will likely close it shores also
@@MegaFarkh Not only it is false but you know the EU can still fish in UK water right? And there is no shortages in fish what the hell are you saying
Turns out that making it more difficult to sell fish to your neighbours is worse for business, not better.
😆😆
"Life is hard but it's even harder if you're stupid" John Wayne
Yeah , unfortunately when you are stupid you don’t know it it’s especially painfully for others. Until the stupid is left alone.
When you spend all day with the fish, you start to think like a fish
To catch the fish, one must become like the fish
That was not very nice
You gotta admire the blind faith. I mean these people literally belived that by leaving the EU they will be able to dictate fishing rights, quotas and tariffs to the EU.
Biggest UK media cover up still: British Fishing industry sold a large % of its quotas in the l980s/90s to European states, eg Netherlands.
Lot's of people made big money but they have now disappeared or are keeping a low profile.
In other words: UK fishermen sold the family silver. But you now want to present yourselves as victims, which you are not.
Brexit is what you voted for. Blame yourselves and not other people here or in mainland Europe
over fishing will harm fishermen in the long run.
SirVixIsVexed are you sure?
www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/griffin-carpenter/eu-common-fisheries-policy-has-helped-not-harmed-uk-fisheries-0
x :)
SirVixIsVexed It still points out the basics, unlike Paul Watson toots. x :)
+SirVixIsVexed That was in the channel though. There might be some logic like "That's a bigger portion of France's coastline" whilst the UK has other accessible waters to fish.
Being forced to throw dead fish back into the sea is just nuts......
The fishermen aren't reliant on catching fish.. They're reliant on selling fish. Leaving your biggest market isn't gonna help with that.
somehow they never got that memo. or just never bothered to read it
30 years working in a business without knowing your clients...
Fishermen learning the important difference between catching fish and selling fish.
Wow things really didn't go as expected did they? It's almost as if the Leave campaign lied to you...
@@bobsmith5441
It did go exactly as expected (by ppl., who actually knew what they were talking about).
Fishermen should belong to this group, but they obviously don't.
Yep, almost...😆
Strange. Nothing ever made it seem like Boris Johnson was a man known for lying and breaking promises. Oh, wait.....
Who'd have thought, the whole "patriot" idea of seperation turned out to be a nightmare for british fishermen.
If there was a referendum to decide if we should rejoin the EU, I would be so tempted to vote no out of spite
@@detectiverick9934 that referendum would never come to be, now that they've left they're going to stick with it since returning to the EU after seeing what it actually is would be beyond humiliating for any country let alone for England
@@beu9245 true true. Many in the uk do have more pride than sense. So sadly I think you are right
He’s worried?
I bet he’s a lot more than worried now.
Try crying...
This just shows how Little these fishermen knew about trade.
Hahaha.....and look at how it’s all ended up. You got what you voted for fellas, suck it up!!
Normally I wouldn’t condone this kind of triumphalism. But seeing as Leave voters have been calling Remain voters “Remoaners” and using language like “We won, you lost, get over it” for the last 4 years, I’m totally onboard with your comment.
Have at it sir (or madam).
@@attackpatterndelta8949
'You won, we lost, get over it'
Fishing is floundering.
@@LabRat6619 In your dreams.
@@stayhappy8213 what?
Yes they can catch more fish , they just forgot they have to sell it
4 years latter they about to go bust because they can't sell their fish in Europe and they are now asking for free access...😆
They only got 25 percent more of a quota
@@alexander92179 And cannot sell it isn't it hilarious?
@@TheDoctorIWho I think they can now
@@alexander92179 Some they can some not. Shellfish is not possible. My family has a Scottish salmon supplier. Every time they want to buy they phone to hear whether they did the customs successfully or have to let it rot.
@@TheDoctorIWho I saw there was a surge in salmon sales
Fishermen being forced to throw overboard fish (which is already dead) due to meeting a quota is really absurd.
RM Nimitz Welcome to regulations 101
RM Nimitz // The rule prevents fishermen from purposely going over the quota. Without it, fishermen could just lie and say the excess was "accidentally" caught in the last net.
what do you think would happen if they let to keep the dead fish
magically there will be even more dead fish caught if they can keep it
I totally agree!
Who’s here in 2021?
Hey, Brexit fishermen! You've done it! The fishing industry now makes up 70% of the UK economy! Our fish are being consumed, from Basildon to Bali, and there are absolutely no problems with exportation of our fish into essential markets! Fishermen were driving around London just a couple of days ago, celebrating success! Also, Jacob Rees-Mogg states that fish in our waters are much happier now! Success for the fishermen of the UK!
Dr House diagnoses Sarcasmdosis
I think you got your data wrong. Fishermen actually makes up 83% of the total UK economy. You need to check your facts before posting these kind of information.
@@lukec5838 I apologise Luke. Thanks for the update!
@@leeoreilly6797 HAHAHA
“History would dictate that we’ll be sold down the river”
He wasn’t wrong.
Brexiters convinced fishermen they will be richer by destroying eu fishermen livelihoods and they loved the idea.
Their greed has done this to them.
Call me evil but serves them right and I love this karma stories
Yes, the statistic is 92 percent. Fishing communities in the UK voted for Brexit 92 fucking percent.
Indicator of IQ more or less
So they should be happy- they got what they wanted. Now they get to live with it forever!
No wonder
schadenfreude
Boris and Nigel: It's a prank, bro!
"we were joking" LMAO
Brexit is done, UK is free, I can't find comments on how things have improved for fishermen or anybody for that matter.
@@Eideric definitely no improvement for fishermen, but the fishes are "happier" now.
Only us told you so.
@@Eideric Doesn't matter how many quota they would have got when more than half their export were to the EU and now are dropping in both volume and price. No one make any money fishing, they make money selling fish.
@@Eideric Small business can't afford to ship/process their catch to the EU effectively anymore. Their quote can go 5 times higher and BBC they will still be bottleneck.
At least the fish are happy...
Fishermen voted for this they should enjoy! They got what they voted for,
Update 30/04/2021:
UK fleets will not have access to Norway's sub-Arctic seas, following the breakdown of UK-Norway negotiations
The failure to reach a deal means Norwegian vessels will also lose access to UK waters in 2021. But one of the main species they catch is blue whiting, and a lot of that is caught in the first couple of months of the year which have already gone.
UK vessels, on the other hand, fish throughout the year for cod.
And as warmer sea temperatures push cod stocks further north, they cannot replace the cod they have been catching in Norwegian waters by fishing in UK waters instead.
Oh dear so sad never mind
"Another ten years in the EU and that would be it" - Well you just accelerated it 10 years faster, congrats
VICE please do a follow up with the same guys. Let's see Andy has to say now.
Andy sold his boat for scrap and now splits his time between the job centre, the bookies, and battering his wife.
Quick, someone call Captain Hindsight!
This is the 29th August 2021, and this video aged terribly.
Really, really terribly.
We already get one of the biggest fishing quotas in the eu and the quotas are there on purpose to prevent over fishing which would make the fishermen worse off in the long run
thats why they trow fish overboard
Wee too much vinegar in me chips these past 5 seasunds
As the video mentions a huge portion of the fish caught are exported to the EU to which the UK fishing industry is dependent as a market (unless they kind find other countries to export to).
& I can't see how the fishing industry in the EU would look kindly on EU if there was no respons to increased quotas in the UK - so most likely tariffs or similar will be added unless they keep quotas to what the EU consider fair.
So not only might the fishing industry end up as a bargaining chip with the EU they might also be sacrificed to appease the fishing industry within the EU.
So hopefully the British will start eating more fish (or join NAFTA or similar).
Not retarded but the long view can't be that much of a comfort when you're one bad year away from bankruptcy and unemployment because of those quotas.
Studies on fishing populations off the coast of Canada seem to show that quotas actually end up harming the population. Limiting people to a certain amount encourages some bad behavior by people and takes the responsibility out of their hands. "The government says I can fish 50 per day, so 50 I will get!" Whereas if they had to rely on their own decisions, they may take a smaller number. The proof is in the pudding --- quotas are NOT helping!!
This didnt age well at all
Wondering what they would say now lol 😂
I hope they are the laughingstock of their towns now.
Glad to see a decent report every now and then on vice.
lol why? because it's one you agree with?
They did a story on something you don't agree with, so you respond with autistic screeching and once they do a report on something you agree with it's all fine.
You can make up your mind regarding the content of the story, and that shouldn't upset you and make you mad at who is reporting it. What you should be looking at is how they are reporting on it, and frankly I think for instance the "giving hormone blockers to kids" story was done pretty damn objectively, and I say that as someone who is opposed to doing that. You as the viewer are free to make up your own mind about the issue, you shouldn't dislike the video because you didn't agree with the people they talked to.
are you still agree?
Hey dumbass! How is it going with the fishing?
2021... So it didn't work as well to be outside of Europe...
These fishermen don't seem to realise that quotas exist for a reason. If we took in all the fish we could, we would exhaust our seas and they would become biologically dead, which would harm both us and other European countries. Those quotas ensure that we will still be able to fish in years to come.
They are throwing dead fish in the sea.. wtf are you chatting.
@@stayhappy8213 That still keeps biomass in direct circulation of the area. Its like cutting down a tree and leaving it there vs. taking it away. If it stays there, it will decompose and feed local wildlife. If it is taken, it will eventually end up somewhere across the world and feed that area instead, leaving the local area with less biomass and thus less ability to support wildlife and resources.
This video aged like rancid milk.
2021 English fishermen crying. They can get stuffed. I wont buy local produce to support them. I Gave up eating fish.
Good idea 💡 Mostly radioactive ☢️ and full of mercury these days.
> convervation effort
> ''fair'' share
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE
When The Sun teach you economy
You won, get over it
This aged like milk.
At least sour milk can be useful.
@@ClannCholmain you drink it don't you?
@@clintstechtips6571 it makes good pancakes.
Brexit on the other hand is not good for the nation, only a hand full of opportunists.
@@ClannCholmain agreed
Hey, Vice!
Please do a follow up on these Pro-Brexit fisherman!!
Cancel you gym card and still expect full access! 🤦♂️
Skipper Roger Nowell was right at 2.27 when he says "History dictates we will get sold down the river."
“History would dictate that we’d be sold down the river”,.....almost 5 years since this vid and I have goosebumps, and I’m not even British!
UK fishermen sold their quotas to other countries' fishermen. Now they could buy them back anytime when they were in the EU and they can buy them back now that they are out. Ignoring the quota altogether, however, will not go unpunished.
This aged like milk. Oh well.
Yeah the common fisheries policy was always pretty stupid
Yep over 90% of the Earth's water is overfished.
I have to agree with other comments- This did not age well at all!! The entire shellfish industry in the UK is going under, Scottish fishermen have in many cases stopped fishing entirely, as they cannot sell their goods. A woman who owned a fish exporting company and who was actually in the Brexit party as an MEP, loudly demanding to leave the EU, is now crying because her business is going bankrupt.
Frankly, it is hilarious, because 94% of all UK fishermen (and women) voted for Brexit! They voted with their greed instead of their intelligence. Whomp whomp....
The funny thing is the uk dont particularly like fish so we wont be buying it... you screwed up by voting leave and now complaining ... if it wasnt so funny it would be serious
The UK wants its fishing industry back? The Tories gave it to the French and Spanish for almost 50 years so asking for it back shouldn't be a problem! The EU fishing fleet has plenty of opportunities elsewhere; they have most of the Mediterranean at their behest; they have half the Baltic and the North Sea to dip into; they have all the Bay of Biscay and the Atlantic beyond if they want to be greedy. Their 'deals' are already robbing the West African countries of their fishing stocks; the EU has great fishing arrangements in the North Atlantic with Norway, the Faroes, Iceland and Greenland. It's ludicrous to think their fishing fleets will have to 'go short' for no one has mentioned that Ireland, a grateful beneficiary of EU funding, has the largest, most productive, least utilised EEZ anywhere! The EU shared fishing grounds are HUGE. France sadly has a reputation for starting international trouble it cannot then resolve; for starting fights like a schoolyard bully and then asking the EU to stick up for it. BTW I am a 'Remainer' ! ! ! Did you simple minded Brexiteers really expect a lying, clown of a criminal like Boris to work a deal ?
I really would like to hear these fishermens viewpoint now. They got what they wanted, got out of EU.
do they understand why there is regulation?
They must feel pretty stupid now.
where will they sell there fish without an trade agreement
this not how it will work to trade with anyone you still need to abide by other countries rules, plus fishermen sell most of they're fish to EU so they're shooting themselves in the foot
4 years later history has proven your comment to be spot on!
Bingo
What this doesn't tell you is that British fisherman have a huge haddock quota off the Norwegian coast.
Which they now can't fish for because they had that fishing right due to membership of the EU. Now that membership is over, the UK has no trade deal with Norway.
Brexidiots will be Brexidiots!
This stuff really wasn't difficult.
Well that is history now. UK and Norway signed a fishing agreement a month ago. UK broke the agreement recently within weeks! As a consequence they now don't have access to Norway's waters anymore. Welcome to the Brexit sir. 🤣🤣🤣
Well , atleast the fish is happy .
I am from the future here. I got some bad news for you 2018 Brexit supporting fishermen
Don't tell them about 2020.
I hope the government doesn't screw over these fishermen.
The common fisheries policy has been a disaster for the British fishing industry. The UK has Europe's richest and largest fishing grounds, grounds which historically British fishermen had largely to themselves. The common fisheries policy allowed huge factory fishing boats, from other European nations, to fish British waters with impunity.
The quotas don't prevent over fishing, as you've just seen, the dead fish go back into the water, they've already been fished! A far better system that suits the needs of the fishermen and our fish stocks is required.
Because over fishing prevention is such a travesty right?
So like giving away over 100 miles of the North Sea to the continent. Because that's really going to help with fish stocks. If the EU were really so concerned about these numbers, they would give us our fishing waters back and allow us to turn away foreign fishers who didn't have a permit (like virtually all countries outside the EU do).
90% of the sea is over fished you fucking dumb environmentalists why should our economy and fishermen have to suffer? you arrogant leftist pieces of shit are the reason we voted leave, nationalism and sovereignty is what we voted for!
The need for quotas is itself largely an inheritance from EU/EEC membership; allowing all fishermen access to UK waters (at the time the most lucrative in Europe) and then the very slow decision making in introducing regulation meant a rapid decline in fish stocks, and a compromise remedy which is quotas.
Moreover, a large proportion of UK fish quotas are currently bought by foreign competitors.
The bigger travesty is the number of dead fish that were being thrown back into the sea due to the way the regulations were enforced, took decades to solve that problem. It actually hasn't helped to prevent over fishing at all though.
YES!
Lmao f in the chat. Forgot who bought most of your product did ya?
They can now salt their fish with their salty tears.
Still excited?!? Europe tried to explain England many times that leaving was a bad idea, but it's allready hard enough to win a discussion with smart ppl, however it's nearly impossible to win a discussion with idiots so now deal with it!!
I know you probably won't read this but my dad used to say the same thing; 'It's easier to win an argument with a genius than a fool' lol.
It does not work quiet like that , the fish don't know about borders and move around , lots of fish spawn in Dutch and Danish waters and move into the UK's when they have grown to a stage when they can be commercially and sustainably fished . If the UK insist that the Dutch and Danes can't fish them in British waters they will fish them earlier when they are small and in EU waters which will be bad for stocks and UK fishermen . Also the UK needs to sell the fish it's fleet catch even at the moment the country does not consume its catch but exports to the EU If the British deny access to it's waters to EU fishermen the EU will stop access for UK fish to it's market . This is the trouble with brexit it is to complex for it's supporters to grasp
Finally!! After years of searching and dozens of videos there are fishermen out there who can have fairly intelligent viewpoints and it's in this video. I never thought id see the day....
Now, they can catch more fish
But not enough consumers
This video ages like milk
So long and thanks for all the fish.
2:28 "History would dictate that we'd be sold down the river" That guy really wasn't wrong because that's exactly what happened..it's the only thing that Tories can do effectively and consistently. This guy should have went with his gut and not bothered with Brexit on the basis that a Tory government CANNOT be trusted!
A subject euronews would never publish.
I hope the re-negotiation will not result in a "fishy" deal.
Proof of the old saying.... Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it!
I'm not a bit sorry for you guys.
That's what happens when you look at a scientific problem and try to solve it with politicians and bureaucrats enforcing regulation.
Happy Fish 😀
Yes where is Jacob Rees Mogg now? WITH A CAPACITY OF 1,000,000 POUND WHAT DOES THAT MAN CARE ABOUT THE HAPPY FISH !!!!
These opinions and views didn't age well, did they. Christ
Exactly right. They thought the likes of Farage and Johnson were going to save them!
thats the EU- the UK is a feckin island with next to NO fishing. thats the EU common fisheries policy.
This aged like a pile of fresh fish behind a radiator.
Oh look, consequences.
And 4 years later, ohh.. Crap! Shouldn't have vote Brexit then!
As an update to this:
To a casual observer, you may think that Brexit is all about fishing. Boris Johnson claims that a major sticking point in Brexit negotiations with the EU is the issue of fishing rights. But, in truth, it's a convenient excuse as the Conservative government couldn't care less about fishing. However, deal or no deal, the fishing industry is going to struggle to sell their catch because of the new rules devised by the British government and in no way related to the EU, yet again.
- ruclips.net/video/KiMbeYBLCpw/видео.html
Letter to MMO from the fisheries: twitter.com/bbcmartynoates/status/1327959450267901952
So the EU is protecting the industry and they all feel like they will get screwed over by the gvt if they leave; but they supported leaving anyway? Doublethink is strong.....
If they really think that the British gvt is going to continue to support a dying industry amongst its constant cutbacks they are fools. Good luck to them let's "hope" they get a good deal. I'm not so optimistic
I'll provide the other side of the argument. As stated, the EU has different laws set for different member states, meaning that some countries (it can be argued Belgium, Germany, and France being the main culprits) will be better off than others as they have such a huge amount of influence within the EU.
Now that we have voted to leave the EU fishermen are hopeful that the government will start to look at our own industries (fishing, steel etc.) and what we can do to boost them, and in turn, our economy as we won't be as restrained as we would be within the EU. The changes might include not putting those dead fish to waste by throwing them overboard and so they get a bigger haul of fish to be sold. k thx bye xx
HOPE is the key word here if the tories still maintain a majority for the near-future we won't have a fishing industry. If they are willing to cut basic things that sustain our own populaces health and wellbeing, 1% of the GDP won't stand for very long.
It's the same with farmers, they get large subsidies from the EU to function at affordable prices; yet decided that regulations are too mean.
What the government wants us to be is a massive tax haven for rich, we're not returning to the 50s, steel plants in Wales have uprooted, there's no infrastructure for any sort of manufacturing; it will take DECADES to compete with the current market.
And if you really think the British government had no "influence" in the EU you're blind, we had the most concessions out of any EU member state a large % of MEP to population and being cushy with the USA, as well as being a NATO founding member it let us wield so much influence over the EU.
The simple fact of the matter is as the fisherman stated; "historically they have sent us down the river". They are not giving the fishermen a paddle up shit creek now or never; they will be used for a better deal as Tories do.
Well i'd of thought I was a nutter if I said this a year ago, but I think now that we are leaving, UKIP will hopefully get a couple of seats in upcoming by-elections as they are the ones with the plan which will be able to deliver what a lot of people are wanting.
However by the looks of things right now the Tories are set to be pretty unstoppable with the amount of support that Theresa has managed to attract in recent months. On top of that, Jeremy Corbyn is the most uncharismatic person i'v ever seen and seems to be running Labour into the ground.
On top of that, up here in Scotland we seem to have Nicola Sturgeon running riot and all she cares about is bloody independence. The thing is from my perspective she's gained more support than Sammond managed to for that going ahead as all the passionate remain voters for the EUref are digging their feet in and demanding that they stay in the EU, not realizing that our economy runs off of England. What people are failing to realise with SNP is that they will try at every opportunity to create an independent Scotland and are just using the EUref results as their basis for the campaign and ignoring the Leave voters, me being one of them.
Hamish You think UKIP are going to be able to pull the euro-sceptic vote once the UK is already out of the EU? That party has never been more dead
Daniel Copsey They could clean up in Labour heartlands. Labour is going to lose big time to the Torys and UKIP.
How's it going for you Robert?
Robert’s hooked on Meow Meow.
British fisherman> "we'll be dead in ten years" EU> "hold my beer "
Oh no, honor, where honor belongs. It was the UK that helped to set EU rules for trade with third party nations in the first place back in the day when it was still a member. You can even thank Nigel personally for it, because he also ratified the rules as a member of the EU parliament.
What are you going to do with 80 % of your fish of you cannot export to the EU anymore😂😂😂
I find it pathetic that you think it's funny
@@peacelove7495 Oh it is funny. Fishermen voted to get out of the customs union. Now the literally normal, foreseeable consequence of getting out of the customs union is there - and they complain. Brexiteer fisherman LITERALLY got what they voted for.
@@peacelove7495 it’s hilarious! The fools!
THATCHER SOLD THE FUCKING QUOTAS!!
Are they exporting to EU ?..
Then… 6 years later …. If I had known what I know now back then...
Just watched old film British trawler 1450 - ONE MILLION TONS CAUGHT!
dont hold your breath boys
After 4 years... not such a good idea 😕
My home town of Newlyn Cornwall has been in need since the 70’s to once again control our waters, Splaan, Onen hag oll, Kernow Bys Vyken!!
What's Newlyn looking like now?
You got what you voted for, now you pay the price, no sympathy.
Wow. No one has ever taken them seriously. Hence the shitshow now. Every country should have full control of their own waters period.
The guy who said fishing might be used as a pawn in a trade deal also proved to be bang on. It was the final sticking point in negotiations and Doris capitulated as expected
_"fishing might be used as s porn"_
You naughty, naughty boy.
@@Terkzorr oops auto correct being annoying as usual. Can't lie he was definitely right though