Enslaved 793 First Listen!!! CHRISTIANS react!
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I saw Enslaved live in 1997 and the vocalist/bassist came out in a Viking helmet. It was a most memorable show.
I also was on the same tour, they weared viking clothes and helmets. Really memorable tour back then.
My favorite Enslaved song and album!!!🤘🤘🤘
Kreator - Enemy of god
Finally some good music!
A song is about the famous raid on the Church of St Cuthbert in Lindisfarne by the Vikings, the first major attack and the start of many.
Call from the grave- Bathory!!!!
What actually led to the attack of the Lindisfarne was actually because of Charkemagnes devestating attack on Hedeby/Haitabu, a Danish trade town in what is todays Germany, killing and raping "everyone" in the town, sparing just a few that could tell whom murdered them. The monastert were owned by the Francish emperor, he actually had a lot of his own treassures there. So in that respect, the attack on Lindisfarne were a belated self-defence act, telling the xtians, not ever to try something like that again, because we will react.
So no, the norsemen were not the initial agressors here.
Well these are Christians so it can't be their ancestors fault lol. They've always been so peaceful and tolerant throughout history. Yes, Charlamagne destroyed the sacred Irmunsul at Hedeby and thus 'started shit' with the Northmen.
Masterpiece!
They’re definitely considered progressive black metal. Their early stuff is a bit more straightforward second wave black metal but they’ve always had progressive elements. As the band has progressed, the progressive elements have an increased in their songwriting. If you go back and relisten to your reaction to their song, “Roots Of The Mountain” you’ll be able to see that progression. That song was written 15 years after “793”
@Thrashing Hentai what are your thoughts on war metal?
@Thrashing Hentai I respect your oppinion of it as trash, but do you sincerely think modern Enslaved does "monotone, atmospheric trash"? To me there's much more monotony (less variation) in the earlier stuff.
Sure the vikings initiated the conflict against England. But the christians started the attack when they enslaved pagan Europe to begin with. Scandinavia was basically cornered and decided to strike before they did, because they knew they would be the next target
Darkthrone-transylvanian hunger
the song title is about vikings discovering england and killing monks at the lindisfarne church
They didn't "discover" it in 793. They knew full well where and why they went.
@@revylokesh1783 well cant remember everything from the history class and btw im from Finland so i dont speak/understand fluent english all the time.
They knew of England well before they've raided years before, but this was the first major attack.
ahh old Enslaved! very nice! greetings from Norway
Opeth - Godhead's Lament
Omg I forgot about that one, I love that song so much! The acoustic section is one of my favorite things from Opeth period. I haven't listened to that album for too long, now I want to listen to it instead of this. XD
VED BUENS ENDE - CARRIER OF WOUNDS
I'd recommend You That May Wither (demo version)
Remembrance of the Things Past
Oh I'd love to see them react to this
Vikings slaughtered the poor monks. Beastly heathens invaded my isles. I would've love to have seen what it was like back then. Enslaved are the best black metal band, they have so many classic albums. Along with Bathory they got that Viking authentic vibe. Incredible. Funny how that the Vikings ended up converting to Christianity a few hundred years later. The Normans were the Vikings by bloodline. They still influence Britain to this day with land laws and great tyranny. A brutal bunch.
Great post
Do you remember when the Vikings raided the imperial palace in Constantinople, stole apples from the imperial garden, and fired a few flaming arrows as they fled? They were always up for a good prank.😄😄😄😄
@@sidewalkrocker1304 Such jovial chaps!
Enslaved
It's been a while since I've listened to Enslaved; I should more again.
That was a good discussion on praying to dead saints. I grew up with the same Protestant understanding as Sori, but lately I've had some conversations with an Eastern Orthodox and a Roman Catholic who both explained "praying" to saints as the same as asking a friend here on Earth to pray for you. And it's not even a matter of not being comfortable going to God yourself, but just getting many voices in a unified appeal--yourself, your brothers and sisters here on Earth, and those who are already right there with God.
I'm still not inclined to ask dead people to pray for me, that still seems sketchy, but I don't dismiss it as pure idolatry or like necromancy or something anymore.
Also I appreciated your story about your children in this context, and how that's yet more lesson you've learned about God as Father by being one yourself. I know that's a running theme you've talked about before, and that's another good example of it.
prove god exists.
Watain!
KREATOR - Prevail
793, the sacking of the monastery at Lindisfarne (a small island off the east coast of England), is considered by most historians to be the start of the Viking Age. After this, the vikings began in earnest to raid England and south to France, mostly raiding churches and monasteries because they had more wealth and gold, though in more often than not they'd raid any settlement that bordered a river. The whole Viking Age is very fascinating and worth a looking into beyond the stereotypical shit like Vikings the tv show.
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The christian conversion of vikings didn't happen until much much later, around the 11th and 12th centuries. There are several different ways they were converted and it varied by region. During the viking age as a whole Christendom would send priests and the monks into Scandinavia to try and convert as many as they could, some were successful and other wound up dead. One such case was recorded in Finland where a priest came to convert a village, the priest caught the eye of the Chief's daughter, the chief didn't like that and banished him, the priest came back and was caught this time he was drawn and quartered. In other parts of Scandinavia, some saw that converting would be a strategically good thing because they saw wealth in it, this mainly happened with the kingdoms of Sweden and Denmark. Predominantly though, knights from christian kingdoms would come into villages and tell the village to either convert or die, usually in mass baptisms and executions with a priest baptizing on one side while a headsman on the other executed those that refused. In Norway in particular, christians would destroy pagan sites of worship and build churches over them as a way to force convert areas.
Also Enslaved is awesome, all their music is usually viking themed.
"The christian conversion of vikings didn't happen until much much later, around the 11th and 12th centuries."
It's probably true that Christianization is *complete* by the 12th century, but we actually start seeing Christianization begin earlier in the tenth century when we start to see the adoption of Christian burial practices in parts of Scandinavia (but especially in Denmark, Götaland, Østfold, and Rogaland).
"Predominantly though, knights from christian kingdoms would come into villages and tell the village to either convert or die"
what lol
no, this is not what 'predominantly' was done to convert Scandinavians. What more often happened is the local aristocrats would just convert, it wouldn't take much longer for common people to follow suit because Norse religious practices were largely dependent on the participation of the elite. The idea that these pagan belief were a core part of the identity of Scandinavians is mainly the result of romantic, nationalistic nonsense from the 19th century. In reality, Scandinavians wanted access to Christian wealth and the easiest way to do that was just by converting to Christianity.
@@ArdensSedVirens1 yes true, but the those easy conversions only happened to those communities that were open to the wealth and economics of christianity. there are cases in Norway and in England where christianity was forced on a populace at the point of a sword, mainly the Frankish conquest of Saxony and King Olaf's unification of Norway. but yes in most cases conversion was gradual, like centuries gradual lol
@@neuroticgothguy The Frankish conquest of Saxony is a good and true example of forced Christianization, but it took place in neither Scandinavia or England. Actually, Anglo-Saxon missionaries were heavily involved in the conversion of, whom the Venerable Bede referred to as, the 'Old Saxons'. The pagan kingdom on the Isle of Wight was completely destroyed according to sources, but how frequent violence was between Anglo-Saxon pagans and Christians, I think, is hard to judge. According to Bede relapses into paganism was common, but this didn't necessarily mean Christianity was rejected per se, Rædwald reverted back to paganism at the behest of his wife and kept a pagan temple dedicated to the gods as well as a shrine to the Christian God.
The later sagas also certainly portray Christianization as a sudden, violent, and dramatic event, but I'm again not sure if the archaeology reflects this. Olaf II was certainly a Christianizing king but it seems unlikely that he was successfully able to convert most of Norway, though he and his son did create numerous Christian towns with the intent of these acting as sort of beacon and starting point for the Christianization of the rest of Norway. That is not to say there was never violence, there was, but it was often more complicated than "the mean Christians are forcing everyone to convert or die" and it certainly wasn't foreign knights invading Scandinavia, though there were certainly situation where Christian monarchs demanded pagan kings to convert, either through military pressure or as part of the conditions by which they would be willing to give aid.
It also needs to be mentioned that resistance to Christianity had just as much to do with self-interest as did conversion. There was no dedicated priesthood so often the individual direction and organizing religious affairs was your local chieftain, so I can imagine you can see how a king converting to Christianity and pushing this new religion removes some of the power these chieftains previously had. And with the monarch now being viewed as divinely appointed in the eyes of the church, it's a lot harder to justify the removal of kings you don't life. Christianity and resistance to Christianity was very much part of the wider struggle of unification and resistance to kings and their unifying ideologies.
@@ArdensSedVirens1 Yeah, the history around Olaf II is murky at best but most scholars believe his "conversion" of Norway was quite ruthless in some case. Mainly cause his goal was to unite Norway into one kingdom and by doing so he was technically at war with any tribes that resisted him and his goals, which by several accounts were quite a few. There are several known accounts of Olaf destroying pagan sites so that churches could be built atop them.
My understanding of the whole christian conversion of scandinavia, from my reading, is that the Norse believed in strong gods that did things for them via sacrifice or what not, this new christian god couldn't make the seas calm or anything like that, or at least thats what a good number of vikings thought. They REALLY believed in demonstrations of a gods "power" and were very much in favor of whichever god was stronger. there's archeological evidence that shows the vikings saw the christian god as any other god in their pantheon, so you'd have Thor's Hammer and a crucifix right next to each other in some cases. It believed that in most cases the christian conversion didn't really stick and took longer to find a foothold, like centuries long. There's actually some text somewhere about Lief Erikson and his wife, that he wasn't christian but his wife was and in order to stay married to her he had to become "christian", there's a few tales like that and most of them are supposed to be humorous i guess.
I had it backwards in my last statement when i said Norway was one of the last hold outs, it was actually Sweden who evidentially fought tooth and nail against the conversion. Finland too for that matter, where according to local legends that when christianity came to Finland they would burn any "witch" they found at the stake, and by witch i mean healer, shaman or medicine man/woman.
@@neuroticgothguy "Yeah, the history around Olaf II is murky at best but most scholars believe his "conversion" of Norway was quite ruthless in some case."
Which scholars? And like I said, I am sure Olaf II was rather cruel in his attempts to unify Norway, but I don't think he was actually able to successfully convert Norway, the archaeology just doesn't reflect this, for example the aforementioned move to Christian burial practices that we see in some towns. And recent evidence shows Christianization of Norway was suuuuper complicated. There is evidence of towns in Veøy that were already Christian *before* any of the efforts by the big missionary kings.
" so you'd have Thor's Hammer and a crucifix right next to each other in some cases."
well, this is complicated. there is an example of a blacksmith’s mold in Trendgården, in northern Denmark, that would allow the caster to easily make either a Thor's hammer or a cross, but I think that just shows how common Christianity was becoming alongside Norse religion at the time, so a blacksmith probably just needed this for convenience. i'm not sure of any examples of where we find someone wearing both a Thor's hammer and a cross.
"There's actually some text somewhere about Lief Erikson and his wife, that he wasn't christian but his wife was and in order to stay married to her he had to become "christian", there's a few tales like that and most of them are supposed to be humorous i guess."
there probably is some truth to this, throughout many evangelizing efforts, even from the earliest days of Christianity, it often spread from women to men, Scandinavia was no exception here.
"it was actually Sweden who evidentially fought tooth and nail against the conversion"
I'm not so sure, in the 11th century there have been found *thousands* of Christian runestones in the region, which imply Christianity was well established in Sweden. It seems the last real pagan holdout was in Uppsala, where Adam of Bremen claims a temple was located wherein the pagans offered up sacrifices, including human sacrifices. There has been *some* disagreement on whether this is merely propaganda on the part of Adam and that the pagan temple was in fact a Christian church aligned with the Papacy and not the Emperor during the outset of the Investiture controversy, but archaeology does support Uppsala as being a significant cult site (but maybe not as spectacular as Adam claims) and the practice of animal sacrifices taking place is pretty well confirmed (the human sacrifices may be hyperbole, though such sites where human sacrifice took place have been found elsewhere in Scandinavia).
"Finland too for that matter, where according to local legends that when christianity came to Finland they would burn any "witch" they found at the stake, and by witch i mean healer, shaman or medicine man/woman."
Yes, Finland undoubtedly suffered from violent Christianization, far more than Scandinavians ever actually did, but witch hunts????? I am *super* skeptical of that, the Catholic Church hadn't accepted the existence of witches until 1484, prior to that the official stance was that witches did not exist and were merely the fantasies of pagans. I sincerely doubt the invading Swedes were concerned with witches.
My understanding is that the Vikings raided Lindisfarne not because it was a religious place, but because it had lots of valuables that were barely guarded. They cared about gold and silver, not destroying religious places, that was just a side-effect.
very true, vikings didn't really care all that much about christians, mostly cause they didn't know what a christian was. gold and silver they did know and well the churches and monasteries had tons of that shit.
Yeah, they had no quarrel with Christians at the time. They couldn't care less about another god or want to convert them.
It was a belated reaction on the sacking og Hedeby/Haitabu by Charkemagne.
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Another headbanger 🎸🎸 great song!
Thoughts like Hammers
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Pls react to Dax - Dear God
Grazie per la telefonata di oggi
Black Sabbath - Lord of This World
If you won't be a part of the one true Catholic and Apostolic Church, you would jeopardize your salvation. If you try to criticize Catholics, learn first what the Church actually teaches, because you obviously have zero idea.
Vin and Sori should binge watch Vikings
100% unprovoked raiding by a culture of raiding
If Vin and Sori binge, I fully expect they would dig Vikings
Fully explains all of this in a facinating and entertaining fashion
They've talked a lot about the series before so...
Then that is freaking funny to hear them speculating and grasping at straws
The series begins the the dawn of the Viking Age and the Lindisfarn raid of 793
What were the monks doing ?
Ask Athelstan
Why did the Vikings do what they do ?
Ask Ragnar
Did the Christians/Monks provoke them ?
See Vikings T.V. series
LOL
@@middleearthltd Vikings is fantasy dressed in Norse mythology though, you can't watch it to learn about Vikings even if some names and dates are rooted in history.
@@Kraakesolv I do not disagree but 793 was accurately depicted. That was the point in question. Much of the balance of Vikings was a mash-up of historical actual Vikings out of time and order. But, 793 was pretty much accurate historical fiction. Any fair-minded person familiar with history would agree on 793, Ragnar aside. Otherwise you are correct. As an aside, when the Vikings raided Muslim occupied territories in the Mediterranean, they would duck resistive locations and move on.
Skol!!!!!!!
What happened to this channel? The quality of recording seems subpar and the editing has become very messy and annoying.
was wondering the same thing?... how is it possible they would get worse at it rather than only better? ha
i'm going to take a not so wild guess and say your boy vin is giving sori almost full control over editing while he is off working on that song that apparently never ends (giggity)
so her scattered blonde christian home schooled brain plus their kids hovering over her and giving input has something to do with it.... ha
@@druid187 There's no need to put them down like that. They're good people. But the quality of the channel is undeniably going down. Maybe they feel the need to be more like certain other channels, but the in-your-face editing is very annoying. I also feel it's not too much to ask to pay more attention to band names and song titles, which are wrong 9/10. I still can't get over 'Ariel's' for System of a Down's Aerials.
Man no one ever reacts to newer era Enslaved, this is great but they are so !much better today. Though their older live shows were way more intense and powerful the newer era is just mesmerizing. So many great songs it's hard to choose one. One of my all time favorites is "Thoughts Like Hammers" off of RIITIIR.
Now that I listen to this again it is a worthy choice, I love the newer era so much that I don't listen to these albums enough. I need to listen to this whole album again.
@@dookieshoe2905 they’ve reacted to both “As Fire Swept Clean The Earth” and “Roots Of The Mountain” on this channel if you want to see how they react to newer Enslaved
@@MetalMallet really? I thought I checked before. Damn, I guess I missed them. Thanks for the heads up, I need to watch both of those then.
I love new Enslaved, and they are pretty much the most consistent band out there, but I still think their first few albums are some of their best.
I disagree.
Best Enslaved album! It is I believe Folk/ Pagan
Enslaved - Havenless
Storm “Villeman”
Dark Fortress - The Valley
No sir, I didn’t
As I lay Dying- any song
Heill Óðinn
First!
Listened to the song
Bouncing back and forth from an 8 to a 9
I don't give decimals and settled on an 8
Now I will see what this dynamic duo has to say
Never seen anyone react to the wildhearts one of the greatest rock n roll bands ever even if no one knows it
dad rock
@@DavidSGrop real rock n roll guessing you are from the facebook generstion
Please react to Evanescence new album The Bitter Truth.. thank you guys
Don’t these two dead beats react to pink floyd anymore
This is all covered in the "Vikings" series. Surprised you have not watched it yet. Ragnar Lothbrook!
What a strange pick. Not a song, or album even, I'd recommend when it comes to Enslaved.
yet, it is the best enslaved album
Missing out on some good music I highly recommend Below The Lights and the first four albums. Good starting song I'd recommend is Havenless, but the best thing to do is just listen to the album from the beginning they're more of a traditional album band due to them being Prog.
Actually this is the best Enslaved album.