You guys did a very nice job of solving that problem. I don’t own a diesel, but was a class 8 diesel tech for 15 years and love watching y’all innovate and create new solutions.
That gear seems like a curious piece of history. Was that pump gear really made before the fall of the Berlin Wall (pre-1990)? Or did Cummins keep ‘Made in W. Germany’ in the mold well after reunification?
Sweet engineering job to the front case.! What I would like to see is some front suspension mods required to run that kind of torque Maybe a little info on how to keep from bouncing at launch( air pressure, shock compression rebound, spring rate etc) Thanks a million for the info, have fun and be safe
Are there any modifications that have to made to the intake plenum on the CR head? I know on some other conversion cases that you have to machine and re-fabricate the plenum to clear the AFC housing
the 24 valve head is the same from 03 common rail to current, as far as injectors you want the 2 nd gen head 98.5-02 to be able to use 2 nd gen injectors with p pump and also you need to match piston bowls to the right 24 valve tips to have the right spray pattern.
Also need to change out the crank shaft gear to the older helical style from old 5.9 as common tails use straight cut. The oil pan might need to be adapted as well...extended on the front... or at least it did when people started adapting ome cases for p-pumps years ago, I’m not 100% sure about this case fitment.
I didn't know you guys made a p-pump conversion gear case. Looks really nice and I like it can come in black. Would this work on a 6.7 with vp44 street engine. Probably just custom lines made right?
Well, if you are going to mention a Big Block Chevy, -well, that changes my mind a bit. I love me a well built Cummins, but sorry, the Big Chevy metal monster is still my first choice.
@@pddofficial I figured that may have got a rise out of you! I know you are passionate about what you do with the Cummins, and that is nothing but a wonderful thing. The things being done with these engines nowadays is simply amazing. That said, I am passionate about the big Chevy and was merely stating my opinion (ok, and maybe stirring the pot LOL)
speaking from a towing aspect, not racing or sled pulling. prolonged uphill towing. lots of loaded millage... if i swap out my trusty old 12v with a 6.7 Ppump. leaving it close to stock numbers for the 6.7 nothing wild. would i see better egt's turbo spool, and over all towing improvements by swapping. one of my trucks is just under 800k and its getting time to retire that old 12v. the 6.7 are far more common and oddly cheaper than a good 12v in my area. it would still cost more in the long run to do the 6.7 but im an odd duck who like real reliability over electronics. as for transmission i just completed a spicer 3053a swap and would plan on running one behind the 6.7 if i did so... really dont care about being faster. just hate how i have to watch my egt's more than my speed in the mountains.. its a tricky trade off with a 12v.. power and high egts, lower power low egts.
Would like to see that for a 5.9 Cummins and to run the Powerdriven Diesel fuel pump off the cover like Todd does with his Waterman’s fuel pump on his race truck instead of building it to the bottom that would be cool really clean
Does a stock oil pan fit off a 6.7 with this pan or do you still have to adapt the pan to work with this case like before.... Do you guys sell a straight cut gear to drive the p-pump or do you recommend changing out the cam and crank gears to helical style
Would a standard 2nd gen p pump gear case not bolt onto a common rail block??? Whats different?? I was always under the impression that gear cases are interchangeable between the common rail and older blocks..
Austin Washburn nope bolt holes are in different places. Also there is a lot of other supporting changes you need to do like for instance changing the crank gear to a helical gear.
Andrew Terry yeah but then that turns you into a 6.4 and you have to ether get longer rods or have the block decked... a gear change would be much cheaper
@@keiferjanz3197 Yeah I already have that planned out, 6.4 is the route I'm going so I am using a 5.9 crankshaft. But it sounds like I will have to rethink the front gear case some more. I dont have a 6.7 block yet so I couldn't confirm the differences/similarities between the gear cases.
@@bigmurph1447 if you had the case off ever and resealed it, chances are, you wont ever have another problem with it leaking. I don't think that could ever happen without sacrificing structural integrity.
It’s just a conversion to get rid of the electronic common rail injection system in favor of the mechanical P pump. As far as benefits it just allows you to use a bigger 6.7 bottom end with a mechanical injection pump which is favored in some applications for its ability to reliably supply a lot of fuel, like sled pulls.
i think you should come up with a 2 stage belt drive system kinda like your fuel pump set up. that will run based on boost or EGT I have a kit It’s pretty sweet when it works...but the Electric pumps don’t hang very long.
Sorry but those counter sunk screws are absolute rubbish use real bolts . I bet you'll need blue loctite for those nasty screws good luck when you round them then need drill them out bit for a eazy out or( snap on) broken stud removal kit
You guys did a very nice job of solving that problem. I don’t own a diesel, but was a class 8 diesel tech for 15 years and love watching y’all innovate and create new solutions.
Ah ye ole class 8, well coming from a class 12...
Congratulations for getting through the R&D on this part without losing all your hair mate. Beautiful work and a testament to your shop.
You guys are the best!!! You keep solving the weak spots to make our lives easier!!!! Thank you PDD!!!!!!
That gear seems like a curious piece of history. Was that pump gear really made before the fall of the Berlin Wall (pre-1990)? Or did Cummins keep ‘Made in W. Germany’ in the mold well after reunification?
I love your innovation. Mixing old school with new. So cool! Keep up the good work.
That is nice for a marine 6.7 as well! Ever tried removing a failed cam on a 48 sea ray with a bulkhead 2 inches from the front cover!
Is there a possibility for you guys to manufacture one of these higher strength combos for a standard 5.9 as well?
Sweet engineering job to the front case.!
What I would like to see is some front suspension mods required to run that kind of torque
Maybe a little info on how to keep from bouncing at launch( air pressure, shock compression rebound, spring rate etc)
Thanks a million for the info, have fun and be safe
Are there any modifications that have to made to the intake plenum on the CR head? I know on some other conversion cases that you have to machine and re-fabricate the plenum to clear the AFC housing
Man this are absolutely nice parts. 6.7 P Pump 😬👍
What head and injectors do I need to use on the 6.7 block ? From a 24v 2nd gen ?
the 24 valve head is the same from 03 common rail to current, as far as injectors you want the 2 nd gen head 98.5-02 to be able to use 2 nd gen injectors with p pump and also you need to match piston bowls to the right 24 valve tips to have the right spray pattern.
Also need to change out the crank shaft gear to the older helical style from old 5.9 as common tails use straight cut. The oil pan might need to be adapted as well...extended on the front... or at least it did when people started adapting ome cases for p-pumps years ago, I’m not 100% sure about this case fitment.
The heads are not the same...
Justin Blake ok sorry, what I meant to say is that 5.9 common rail and 6.7 heads are the same because we rebuilt an 05 and used a 6.7 head.
Wow them parts are awesome. I need to get me a Cummins.
I didn't know you guys made a p-pump conversion gear case. Looks really nice and I like it can come in black. Would this work on a 6.7 with vp44 street engine. Probably just custom lines made right?
You guys are monumental
Unbelievable beautiful .you guy .making it easyer and better thank you !! Do you sell the fuel lines for this conversion ??
Looks like a really nice piece.
Are you guys still making these? I see they are not on the website.
@powerdrivendiesel
Could you guys build a plate to swap the 8.3 isc to a 5.9 style p pump?
Todd, Would this work on 19+ 6.7 blocks? Being they have 14mm mains, it would be a solid foundation.
Not sure don't have anything that new to try it on
Are these not available anymore?
Just the Keating machine ones powerdrivendiesel.com/product/12-valve-billet-timing-front-cover-5-9l-fits-cummins/?v=7516fd43adaa
Is it stock location if you're running a 12v head or would you need to make all new injection lines?
Wouldn't the hard anodizing help with wear and strength?
Love it - great job....
Well, if you are going to mention a Big Block Chevy, -well, that changes my mind a bit. I love me a well built Cummins, but sorry, the Big Chevy metal monster is still my first choice.
@@pddofficial I figured that may have got a rise out of you! I know you are passionate about what you do with the Cummins, and that is nothing but a wonderful thing. The things being done with these engines nowadays is simply amazing. That said, I am passionate about the big Chevy and was merely stating my opinion (ok, and maybe stirring the pot LOL)
Will you be offering this for the rear pump setup? My guess is there's no reason to
Could you guys make something like this for my CR 6.7 it would be amazing to be able to have quicker access to my gear train with an o-ringed cover
Will that kit work on a 24 valve 5.9
You guys do sell common rail stuff right ? Like the seal idea
speaking from a towing aspect, not racing or sled pulling. prolonged uphill towing. lots of loaded millage... if i swap out my trusty old 12v with a 6.7 Ppump. leaving it close to stock numbers for the 6.7 nothing wild. would i see better egt's turbo spool, and over all towing improvements by swapping. one of my trucks is just under 800k and its getting time to retire that old 12v. the 6.7 are far more common and oddly cheaper than a good 12v in my area. it would still cost more in the long run to do the 6.7 but im an odd duck who like real reliability over electronics. as for transmission i just completed a spicer 3053a swap and would plan on running one behind the 6.7 if i did so... really dont care about being faster. just hate how i have to watch my egt's more than my speed in the mountains.. its a tricky trade off with a 12v.. power and high egts, lower power low egts.
I want one I don’t see it on your site
Why did you guys stop selling this?
The manufacture that was making them for us went out of business
What head do you run on a mechanical 6.7?
Do yall still offer this gear case i cannot find it on your site
Would like to see that for a 5.9 Cummins and to run the Powerdriven Diesel fuel pump off the cover like Todd does with his Waterman’s fuel pump on his race truck instead of building it to the bottom that would be cool really clean
good Video thanks, Make your video GREAT with more table lighting Thanks
Does a stock oil pan fit off a 6.7 with this pan or do you still have to adapt the pan to work with this case like before.... Do you guys sell a straight cut gear to drive the p-pump or do you recommend changing out the cam and crank gears to helical style
PowerDrivenDiesel ahh cool thanks for answers my questions:)
I want to buy this set for my engine.how much will it cost.
Not available anymore!
Link isn't active and can't find it on your site
unfortunately that is because it is no longer available
Would a standard 2nd gen p pump gear case not bolt onto a common rail block??? Whats different?? I was always under the impression that gear cases are interchangeable between the common rail and older blocks..
Austin Washburn nope bolt holes are in different places. Also there is a lot of other supporting changes you need to do like for instance changing the crank gear to a helical gear.
Or just run a 12v crank. You can drill and tap the holes and make it work with a factory gear case and oil pan its just a pain
Andrew Terry yeah but then that turns you into a 6.4 and you have to ether get longer rods or have the block decked... a gear change would be much cheaper
@@keiferjanz3197 they also make a piston with a different pin height to make up the difference, but yes you're right
@@keiferjanz3197 Yeah I already have that planned out, 6.4 is the route I'm going so I am using a 5.9 crankshaft. But it sounds like I will have to rethink the front gear case some more. I dont have a 6.7 block yet so I couldn't confirm the differences/similarities between the gear cases.
Is there a way you could of made the gear case come off with out removing the cam
Why would you ever need to do this?
@@andrewterry3176
Because if the gear case starts leaking oil u got to pull cam to put new gasket behind gear case
@@bigmurph1447 if you had the case off ever and resealed it, chances are, you wont ever have another problem with it leaking. I don't think that could ever happen without sacrificing structural integrity.
@@andrewterry3176 yeah I know it was just and idea sometimes I just think about stuff to make it easier In the long run if it did need to be resealed
What is the benefit of having a p pump on a common rail?
It’s just a conversion to get rid of the electronic common rail injection system in favor of the mechanical P pump. As far as benefits it just allows you to use a bigger 6.7 bottom end with a mechanical injection pump which is favored in some applications for its ability to reliably supply a lot of fuel, like sled pulls.
I have a dumb question. why don’t I ever see anyone using water/methanol injection anymore? did Everybody give up on it??
i think you should come up with a 2 stage belt drive system kinda like your fuel pump set up. that will run based on boost or EGT I have a kit It’s pretty sweet when it works...but the Electric pumps don’t hang very long.
Theses guys know their 🤬how 🥶is that?
Now we need a power driven diesel 12 valve front cover for adjustable pump gears🤷♂️🙏#mechanicalmafia #dinosaurpower #mechanicalmafiaforlife
Can't wait!!!
Sweeeeet
yep, im in the wrong county.. nice!
Go BIG OR GO. HOME!!!!!
Or, get a big block Chevy!
@@ratman5727 we want big power.we don't want to have to camp out at a gas station to get it.lol
@@norcalray7182 I was just stirrin' the pot Ray! LOL
@@ratman5727 me too
Ha Ha
Bbc no matter what
Sorry but those counter sunk screws are absolute rubbish use real bolts . I bet you'll need blue loctite for those nasty screws good luck when you round them then need drill them out bit for a eazy out or( snap on) broken stud removal kit
Can we be best friends
Works for me lol