When I built my ramp it was way easier to pour the concrete right where it was going to rest. Concrete also will cure under water. Didn't have to push anything 😮.
Place the hose in the concrete so it doesn't mix with the surrounding water. Be careful when you screed so you don't mix in water. Keeping it wet helps it cure better and flooding is an approved method.
That might work for your pond, by waterways don't always stay at the same level. When the water drops the ramp wouldn't be usable until the water came back up. Pushing em in is how it's been done for well over a hundred years.
Have poured many boat ramps, we always used unimat fiberglass bags and pumped grout(4000psi mix) into them with a little 3" mayco pump... pumped in place, no muss no fuss. 2 people , once grading is done place the bags pump full wait 48 hours and start launching boats. Takes about 4-5 hrs to do. Unimats look like an air mattress when theyre filled about 4" thick and everybit as tough as concrete slab with 6" hiway wire.
I don’t know if they did it but I believe having the bottom before the pour finely graded and thoroughly wetted down to keep it slippery and then covered in visqueen would have helped in making it slide in easier.
Good dozer man! It looks like it has LGP tracks and around 8-9 ton dozer for spreading sand and gravel . That slab is not easy to push at almost 10K lbs heavier than the dozer. Never knew exactly how landings were built👍
That was interesting, even if I microwaved the watching. I've never built a Boat Ramp before, so I'm not sure that I can offer to much. And I don't see any where that you asking for advise. It's kind of a natural reaction to offer advice where none is being sought. But, I have moved building's and houses. I suppose there's got to be some similarities. Someone mentioned that this is how its been done for a long time. And that's how most of learn whatever it is we do. Watch then Do method of learning. I would suggest possibly adding another method of making it easier to move. Perhaps, using rollers of some type under the slab. Such as they have used for 1000s of years to move big stones and slabs of stone. They use Inflatable rollers bags to move huge boats and Barges. In the case of Ancient times , they used Trees/logs. Ive used pieces of PVC pipes to move medium size buildings/Sheds. We can move them with just human power and some times levers. Just my thoughts, Im certainly not saying anything about how your doing it is wrong. Thanks for sharing. 🤜🤛👍
I like the idea and the purpose of the ramp. in observation if they had put an even 1" or better layer of pea gravel then their vis-queen layer between the soil and slab that would have broken the friction and allowed the slab to run as if on marbles.
Yep, It's called a plastic sheet or covering the bottom of the form with garbage bags, Notice the incline of the ramp as they push it in, way too steep. They could have first used a boat with a deppth finder for accurate depth reaings then rent a baged coffer dam and do the bottom of the water much better. boaters are gonna have fun on this ramp
Even with the smoothest base prep, getting a slab to break free is an issue. With a packed clay base, sufficient water pressure through holes in the middle of the slab will slide like a greased steak in a skillet. Clay and water are slippery..might be difficult on the dozer
Does anyone think that they should have put some kind of fabric or something that would slip underneath the slab? This is a good demo of what not to do.
I have operated just about every size dozer up to a D9 or equivalent in other brands and if it is in first gear it will either push what you are attempting to move or the tracks will spin
Thanks for posting! Been launching boats for 40 years and never stopped to think how they put the ramps in. Does that have rebar in it? I was stressed waiting for it to crack
what are you going to do about the four foot hole between the slab and the ramp. now you have a great slab that you cant get your trailer on because of the drop off at the end of the ramp.
Holes were drilled into the end of the new slab and the old slab. Then, rebar was inserted into the holes and tied together. Then, it was filled with concrete.
I've owned and operated an excavating and heavy equipment company for over 25yrs. If any of my employees ever tried this stupidity with my dozers, they'd be looking for another job. Period.
Holes were drilled into the end of the new slab and the old slab. Then, rebar was inserted into the holes and tied together. Then, it was filled with concrete.
Hi Aaron. Would it have helped if you'd put a heavy plastic down first then pour the concrete? Okay,,,, best question gets a free fishing trip with you?
They underestimated the shear force necessary to break the poured in place slab-soil interface. A % of the cement, small aggregate and cement mixture seeped into the subgrade and set up during the vibrating and curing phase. Lord knows how many tons of 'excess baggage' this little dozer is trying to push assuming it can 'break' the subgrade bond. I wonder if they placed a plastic poly layer below the rebar?
Not a bad idea slick off established ground with dozer not too soft! Apply a layer of plastic to make bottom slick and radius front! Use hi grade stainless pins to pour next section to connect and make surface rough for traction.
Look we used to do this all the time in lake village but we just use a backhoe to push ours in but you pulled your slab too big you do it in about half
Ive never been so stressed. Why not plan a little 😂 everything except the concrete is wrong. The finisher is standing back in aww like the rest of us 😅
Do this type thing just at sun rise when the drunken meth-head pot smoker “gawker-supervisors” are zonked out too…lol P.S. Never put yourself between tracks and a hard place.
So yeah lets stand in a pinch point between a big chunk on concrete and a bulldozer with an operator at the contols. This is how serious and substantial OSHA violations happen not to mention potential fatalities.
This is not how you pour a ramp . The base will not be strong under the slab there will be voids the slab will crack a nd eventually crumble . It should be poured in place
Well, I saw that coming from a mile away. I knew that thing was never going to float.
File this under the "you can tell a hillbilly, but you can't tell him much" file.
Nothing worse than too many supervisors
You should of put down a sheet of plastic to keep it from sticking to the ground
Or a machine that just isnt big enough. 5:42
Too many chiefs an not enough indians
😂😂😂😂👍
@@ernieforrest7218the “ machine” was doing fine, just had too many idiots wanting to run around it while it’s trying to work 😂😂😂
When I built my ramp it was way easier to pour the concrete right where it was going to rest. Concrete also will cure under water. Didn't have to push anything 😮.
Never built one but that's what I was thinking
Place the hose in the concrete so it doesn't mix with the surrounding water. Be careful when you screed so you don't mix in water.
Keeping it wet helps it cure better and flooding is an approved method.
You can't layer mesh and vibrate under water. Many voids and water channels
That might work for your pond, by waterways don't always stay at the same level. When the water drops the ramp wouldn't be usable until the water came back up. Pushing em in is how it's been done for well over a hundred years.
@@treehuggerdeluxe5598 What did 'they' use over a hundred years ago to push 15 tons of cast concrete around with? A D5 dozer?
In our NEXT episode, we watch paint dry!
Have poured many boat ramps, we always used unimat fiberglass bags and pumped grout(4000psi mix) into them with a little 3" mayco pump... pumped in place, no muss no fuss. 2 people , once grading is done place the bags pump full wait 48 hours and start launching boats. Takes about 4-5 hrs to do. Unimats look like an air mattress when theyre filled about 4" thick and everybit as tough as concrete slab with 6" hiway wire.
I don’t know if they did it but I believe having the bottom before the pour finely graded and thoroughly wetted down to keep it slippery and then covered in visqueen would have helped in making it slide in easier.
Good dozer man! It looks like it has LGP tracks and around 8-9 ton dozer for spreading sand and gravel . That slab is not easy to push at almost 10K lbs heavier than the dozer.
Never knew exactly how landings were built👍
Should have poured it on top of plastic and would move easily
That was my first thought too!
Agreed
Must have never done concrete work. That slabs probably around 8 tons. Plastic would have just ripped.
Wouldn't make a difference
That was interesting, even if I microwaved the watching.
I've never built a Boat Ramp before, so I'm not sure that I can offer to much. And I don't see any where that you asking for advise. It's kind of a natural reaction to offer advice where none is being sought.
But, I have moved building's and houses. I suppose there's got to be some similarities.
Someone mentioned that this is how its been done for a long time. And that's how most of learn whatever it is we do. Watch then Do method of learning.
I would suggest possibly adding another method of making it easier to move. Perhaps, using rollers of some type under the slab. Such as they have used for 1000s of years to move big stones and slabs of stone. They use Inflatable rollers bags to move huge boats and Barges. In the case of Ancient times , they used Trees/logs. Ive used pieces of PVC pipes to move medium size buildings/Sheds. We can move them with just human power and some times levers.
Just my thoughts, Im certainly not saying anything about how your doing it is wrong.
Thanks for sharing. 🤜🤛👍
What did they say in Jaws I think we need a bigger boat !! that goes for Dozers too!
I've done this before! I used pee gravel under the slab, then poured the slab on the gravel. Also I would have poured it a lot closer! Lol
Now your talking. An actual idea. Who are these people 😢
I like the idea and the purpose of the ramp. in observation if they had put an even 1" or better layer of pea gravel then their vis-queen layer between the soil and slab that would have broken the friction and allowed the slab to run as if on marbles.
Thats great but now how do you get a seemless transition and why wasnt it poured with traction gouges in the slab...
That would've been a better idea. I was just recording.
This video is full of the lack of good ideas lol
Form it up and pump the concrete in at least 5000psi with fiber mesh mixed in!
@@AaronRankin blame it on the dog. 😂
Never send a D5 to do the work of an 850 lol
I think some wood between steel and concrete would have helped absorb some of initial impacts.
And some smoother bottom forms or finish 😊
Yep, It's called a plastic sheet or covering the bottom of the form with garbage bags, Notice the incline of the ramp as they push it in, way too steep. They could have first used a boat with a deppth finder for accurate depth reaings then rent a baged coffer dam and do the bottom of the water much better. boaters are gonna have fun on this ramp
Even with the smoothest base prep, getting a slab to break free is an issue. With a packed clay base, sufficient water pressure through holes in the middle of the slab will slide like a greased steak in a skillet. Clay and water are slippery..might be difficult on the dozer
Im sure after sliding it into the water. All the voids underneath will make it crack up in no time
Does that matter? If all it needs to do is prevent boat trailers from getting stuck in the mud then maybe it’ll be fine
Looks to me the slab sunk to steeply !
Should of made up a slope base into the warter less steep, then pushed a flat, ribbed concrete slab onto it
Does anyone think that they should have put some kind of fabric or something that would slip underneath the slab?
This is a good demo of what not to do.
No, it wouldn't make any difference. The bottom of the slab is rough and would just grind fabric into the ground.
@@18winsaginNot if you level and compact before laying the plastic sheet.
That slab will slowly keep creeping down that slope
If it doesn't break up first. No chance that it is on a firm grade.
We always need at least 2' turn down footing.
You can always guarantee plenty off yard work after any machine is brought in for a simple project
I have operated just about every size dozer up to a D9 or equivalent in other brands and if it is in first gear it will either push what you are attempting to move or the tracks will spin
Concrete sets up in water…….believe it or not😂
It actually cures harder in water as well.
Less likely to get the hairline cracks
Watched this on my TV, and had to come read the comment section lol!
Probably would be easier to move if you broke it into tiny pieces first
That old dozer got some power.
Obviously they didn't think this through like pouring the slab close to where it should be
Interesting process. I had no idea how they did that sort of thing.
This is not how it's done.
Wasn't that part of their frame that's facing towards the water which they're trying to push
Thanks for posting! Been launching boats for 40 years and never stopped to think how they put the ramps in. Does that have rebar in it? I was stressed waiting for it to crack
You can take a deep breath and relax now. It’s safely in the water😂😂😂😂
Rebar both ways every 6 inches
15:35 was that a crack going across the concrete?
how much for the new clutch?
"Eating my yard up" you have a bulldozer in your yard and a slab poured 30 feet from the water. Yea, there's gonna be some yard work.
God damn the pusher man
Steppenwolf 👍
Who pulled the boat ramp out of the water again?!
what are you going to do about the four foot hole between the slab and the ramp. now you have a great slab that you cant get your trailer on because of the drop off at the end of the ramp.
Holes were drilled into the end of the new slab and the old slab. Then, rebar was inserted into the holes and tied together. Then, it was filled with concrete.
Concrete can be poured and cured under water.
Make it in 2 sections or more?
I've watched ramps get put in but it never looked like this😅
I've owned and operated an excavating and heavy equipment company for over 25yrs. If any of my employees ever tried this stupidity with my dozers, they'd be looking for another job.
Period.
Your not smarter than others that done things before.......
@@carlformsma8075 I'm smart enough to know the difference between "your" and "you're" and how to use both correctly in a sentence.
pour that on 2 layers of visqueen with a bunch of dawn dish washing liquid between the 2 layers and that slab will slide like butter😉
I think they needed to break the suction of the earth by trying to lift it a bit before shoving it forward.
Did I miss something? Shouldn't there be rebar poured in place on the end that can be set in the next pour so that they are attached in perpetuity?
Holes were drilled into the end of the new slab and the old slab. Then, rebar was inserted into the holes and tied together. Then, it was filled with concrete.
Concrete can be poured and cured under water.
Need to make a fish structure out of that old D5😂😂
Never throw away an old dozer. They will go a long long time.
Oh shit. I thought you said pin the rebar with 6' rods down in the dirt.
You didnt want it to move.
Wait, why did they push it so far into the water? There's a huge gap now in the ramp!?!
In the comments I explain. But basically it gets filled with rebar and then filled with concrete to join the two pieces.
What's the point?
Hi Aaron. Would it have helped if you'd put a heavy plastic down first then pour the concrete? Okay,,,, best question gets a free fishing trip with you?
They have tried plastic before, and it doesn't seem to make that much of a difference.
All you had to do is pour on top of heavy plastic and it would not have adhered to the ground
They underestimated the shear force necessary to break the poured in place slab-soil interface. A % of the cement, small aggregate and cement mixture seeped into the subgrade and set up during the vibrating and curing phase. Lord knows how many tons of 'excess baggage' this little dozer is trying to push assuming it can 'break' the subgrade bond. I wonder if they placed a plastic poly layer below the rebar?
Also, a thin layer of "pea stone" or gravel on the ramp subbase would have provided a 'roller' effect with no harm to ramp design.
It would be nice to see an update
Next time I'm down there, I'll make an update. Thanks for watching.
A sheet of plastic under the concret could have helped in preventing the concret grabbing to the ground
That slab probably weighs as much as that little D5
Is that dozer powered by ford
Video one minute was enough for me
There is a fine line between clever and stupid
Friction seems to be winning
Not a bad idea slick off established ground with dozer not too soft! Apply a layer of plastic to make bottom slick and radius front! Use hi grade stainless pins to pour next section to connect and make surface rough for traction.
He ain't even trying to push it
Looks a we bit steep ??🤔
First duelly to back in gonna wipe out that dumb side wood dock thing for girls 😂
nice,next time get d8,,..lol
This why you never let anyone else use your equipment!
I think if he just wiggled it side to side it might go.
Should have sprayed some Pam before dumping the concrete.
Never rebuke a scorner.
Because, Because, he will hate you and he will take revenge.
Good job man, You are in the water with the ramp. Thank you.
What did I just watch?
That looks dep approved
Water shot underneath would have had that slab sliding easy peasy
I’m sure it will never crack after it’s moved to its new location
Look we used to do this all the time in lake village but we just use a backhoe to push ours in but you pulled your slab too big you do it in about half
Need something bigger than a D5 !!
2:38 winning!
Sounds like the tans is about gone.
Finally.
A couple layers of plastic under it would have made it slide much easier.
Why did they push it so far in because the water drops
I was wondering the same.
What about assist from a Bad ass boat
Really didnt think this through
You boys have never been credited for being too smart.
Lol
Why wouldn't you build it on a movable platform
D9 would have been more up to the task
I can't believe I watch
Looks good from my house.
Just admit you brought a boy to do a mans job!
Well if y'all were drinking it might of went well
When is the transition at , 😂😂
When they made it, they should use plastic under the concrete,
Would'nt it have made more sense to have cast slab in final position?
Underwater?
@@charlesjohnsjr.5809 unaware of that!
A bigger Dozer would help
Ive never been so stressed. Why not plan a little 😂 everything except the concrete is wrong. The finisher is standing back in aww like the rest of us 😅
Noboby had these sense to break the slag off the front and sides and wet down the area.
Do this type thing just at sun rise when the drunken meth-head pot smoker “gawker-supervisors” are zonked out too…lol
P.S. Never put yourself between tracks and a hard place.
So yeah lets stand in a pinch point between a big chunk on concrete and a bulldozer with an operator at the contols. This is how serious and substantial OSHA violations happen not to mention potential fatalities.
Did you bring the cake spatulas?
This layers not budging
Looks like spot on for Florida
Push it from the side and break it loose then push from the end.
This is not how you pour a ramp . The base will not be strong under the slab there will be voids the slab will crack a nd eventually crumble . It should be poured in place
Four fools!!! that tractor is to small, he probably burned that transmission up already.
To bad the thing broke in half. Hope they didn't pay for that.
Bit of a gap there eh!
It gets filled in.
Rebuilding a transmission after this lol