How To Safely Power Your Home With a Portable Generator
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- There are many ways to use backup power such as a portable generator to power your home temporarily in case of a power outage. This video shows a method called "back feeding" and is done using a generator interlock kit and outdoor generator inlet box. All supplies and tools used are listed below.
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As an electrician, I can't help but comment that you need a bushing on that box to protect the wire as it enters the box. It will also keep the wire from being pushed back into the wall. Dont drill the hole right behind where the actual device goes because that limits your options on how to bend the wire around in the box. Great video!
Quick question for you.
Do you think that ground-wire is adequately sized for the circuit? Looks like a 16AWG wire with like 2 8AWG conductors?
@@jamess1787 It actually looks like 6/3 cable (since the ground is bare and the copper portion of the current carrying conductors look slightly larger than #8. The Ground wire is a #10 and is proper for this cable as it was manufactured to pair with the current carrying conductors. IMO
Thanks
Did it appear to you also that the interlock kit seems like the top right breaker could be slid over . I think the hole alignment is off on this install
@@Giggles_69 it looks like the zip tie should hold both top breakers securely. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question though.
Our house has an interlock and we power it with a 9kw generator, which is enough to run about 90% of the house.
One helpful tip is to go through your panel in advance and mark each circuit that you want to run off the generator when the power goes out. I used different colors of permanent marker and just made a dot next to each breaker: red dots for mandatory circuits (fridges, freezers, and key lights) and green dots for optional circuits (everything else except the oven, dryer, and shop sub-panel).
That way you don’t have to think about it in an emergency, just get the generator fired up then start flipping on breakers, red first then green.
Is that on a 30Amp leg?
I have a similar system except I have solar panels with a Power Wall. They is hooked up to a secondary panel with my critical loads. So on a loss of power critical loads are automatically powered and a automatic disconnect isolating these loads from my main panel and the grid. If I choose to supply non critical load or my solar panels can’t keep up with my critical loads I have a NG generator backup that supplies my main panel.
The red and green dots are a great idea, I’m going to steal this idea!
Green is for Go man, and red is for stop. I’d mark them opposite, but the concept is sound.
@@jimj9040 that does make sense but when I first started I didn’t have a green marker 😆
Installed one of these interlock kits for my 10k watt Firman generator. We get frequent power outages in the winter and are on a well that has a 220v pump, no power = no water. Cheap and effective solution.
Clear, common sense instructions. Good job and thank you.
I am using this same setup,this does gives the homeowner much more flexibility to choose what combination to run based on the wattage that is coming in. Most of the newer portable generators 10,000 and above have 50 amp plug in on unit. I have a 12,000 watt rated one and having a 50 amp plug option vs a 30 amp is no comparison. I used Romex 6/3 wiring for 50 amp circuit and a box that is also 50 amp & also had to buy 50 amp breaker and a interlock switch for panel. I have a well pump so when down no water, can run one 220 at a time along with lights and fridge & and outlets. Cant run heat pump but by far having this for backup is a must to keep the home fires burning!
Bought a Generac LP5500 after Hurricane Sandy tore up the east coast several years ago. Do a 20 minute test run each month. The generator has been extremely helpful several times keeping us warm, lit and comfortable during those heavy winter storm power outages l
This seems like a much better option than a transfer box. So glad I came across this!
Well done video! Good sound and editing. So nice to see someone do a diy video but not make viewers suffer through each and every screw!
Very nice job. I also added an amp/ volt meter to both legs to keep an eye on the amp draw and to keep the legs balanced.
Here are the generator safety tips:
1) Please do not allow an unqualified person or your children to operate the portable generator. That is important against the generator safety rules. We also need to be keeping an eye on our children too. You need to make sure that your children are not playing near the portable generator especially when it’s running so they won’t get electrocuted. Generators pose electrical risks and they can be hot during an operation. Please keep your children away from the portable generator at all times. It is important to keep our children safe especially our little ones. Be aware of all the hazards.
2) Some people use their portable generators indoors which increases the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. It’s important to have a carbon monoxide if you have a gas generator. Never ever use your generator indoors even if your doors and windows are open and even in the garage is not safe to use a portable generator. Not even at your porch and your deck. It is never safe to use your generator indoors and in enclosed areas of your home. Your generator needs to be 15-20 feet away from your house.
3) 🔥generators cause fire hazards too. Never refuel your generator while it’s running. You need to let your generator cool off before refueling it and before storing your generator. Never overload your generator too. Never ever back feed your generator. You should never plug your generator into a wall outlet. Also never store propane tanks indoors. Please keep flammable things away from the generator as well and please don’t smoke cigarettes near the generator. Having a fire extinguisher next to the generator is also important against the generator safety rules.
4) generator operation; make sure your hands are dry before touching the generator. Never use your generator in wet conditions. Don’t let your generator get wet. You need a generator tent if you need to use your generator during wet weather. Please don’t wear loose clothes when operating the generator. Turn on your generator before plugging in appliances. Use the right cord for your generator. Please do not use worn out cords.
Hope this helps.
@@The_Happy_Aviation_Enthusiast thanks! I bot a used travel trailer with a Honda E2200X (?) Generator and yet to fire it up. I need to get familiar for just in case.
I appreciate the inspiration! I have been wanting to install a generator outlet for several years. I tried to hire an electrician but nobody was interested. I finally did it myself after watching your post, it took about two hours from start to finish. Disclaimer, I had an old 30 amp breaker for an electric range I wasn't using so the main wiring was pretty simple. I just disconnected the range wiring and reconnected the 30 amp generator outlet to that breaker (plus the ground and neutral wires). I made my own interlock bracket (disclaimer: I have knowledge and access to machining tools (i.e., Bridgeport, bandsaw, etc...) at work) and everything worked perfectly. Thanks for the encouragement to get this off my to-do list!
!11!!
If you go to sell your house, since the face plate you made is not UL approved you will either have to remove this generator switchover control or deal with the home inspector and possibly the county inspector.
@@kinglee3990 Thanks for your input. When I go to sell I'll replace the interlock bracket a commercial one. For now, it works and everyone is safe.
Did you consider replacing the actual breaker? I have seen corrosion on older panels. It was a good idea to repurpose the breaker position.
I just ordered a kit because of this video, I’ll let you know how everything turns out in 3-14 business days!
@@jeant5372 everything is good to go, already installed everything, just didn’t run the generator yet to try it out. I want to make all new labels for my panel box, then put a green dot next to the breakers that have to be on.
Good to hear this good luck with it all. Update as you go thanks
Glad to see a good video show the correct way to do this. To many videos show how to do it the wrong and dangerous way.
Tip if you want to try to see if it is better or not: for thick wires drill cable holes on the corners of the wiring box, never in the center of the wiring box and you will benefit of having more space to bend the wires around when you do the connections.
Great instructional and informative video. Greatly appreciated.
I Just finished putting together my set up. I would like to thank you
for your post and some great tips. Looking forward to ERCOT dropping
the ball again this winter. 👍😜
I'm planning on putting one in the Spring. Going to get a permit and have it inspected. Thanks for sharing and for the tips and info
from other commenters.
As others have posted…. You need to add a strain relief and bushing for the Romex at the box, do not push unprotected wiring back into the brick, and you need to add a gasket or apply silicon to the back of electrical box to protect against moisture.
Hack job
Definitely not silicon but firechalk
Definitely need a flux capacitor
@@duffmann2021 He didn't even test for 1.21 gigawatts! Amateur 😂
Thanks for the information. We were looking at a generator from Northern Tools. This is exactly what I was describing to my wife to backfeed the breaker box. Not extension cords.
buy ur self a auto changeover switch save u on all the drilling with no back feed at all
@@DJNITROALLY Good luck. A NEMA certified switch runs over $500. Then you better get an electrician to install it because you must transfer the Main coming from the pole or from your main 100A or 200A breaker, to the auto transfer switch, then from the transfer switch back to your panel, and you will still have to wire in your generator. Requires drilling, wiring, and a whole lot more work.
Always handing out handy info. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
And don’t forget about the generator safety rules too. It is important to follow the manual instructions carefully whenever you use your generator. Here are the generator safety tips:
1) Please do not allow an unqualified person or your children to operate the portable generator. That is important against the generator safety rules. We also need to be keeping an eye on our children too. You need to make sure that your children are not playing near the portable generator especially when it’s running so they won’t get electrocuted. Generators pose electrical risks and they can be hot during an operation. Please keep your children away from the portable generator at all times. It is important to keep our children safe especially our little ones. Be aware of all the hazards.
2) Some people use their portable generators indoors which increases the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. It’s important to have a carbon monoxide if you have a gas generator. Never ever use your generator indoors even if your doors and windows are open and even in the garage is not safe to use a portable generator. Not even at your porch and your deck. It is never safe to use your generator indoors and in enclosed areas of your home. Your generator needs to be 15-20 feet away from your house.
3) 🔥generators cause fire hazards too. Never refuel your generator while it’s running. You need to let your generator cool off before refueling it and before storing your generator. Never overload your generator too. Never ever back feed your generator. You should never plug your generator into a wall outlet. Also never store propane tanks indoors. Please keep flammable things away from the generator as well and please don’t smoke cigarettes near the generator. Having a fire extinguisher next to the generator is also important against the generator safety rules.
4) generator operation; make sure your hands are dry before touching the generator. Never use your generator in wet conditions. Don’t let your generator get wet. You need a generator tent if you need to use your generator during wet weather. Please don’t wear loose clothes when operating the generator. Turn on your generator before plugging in appliances. Use the right cord for your generator. Please do not use worn out cords.
Hope this helps.
Excellent work. Definitely the safe and inexpensive way to power a house with a portable generator.
No silicone around hole back of box?
Here are the generator safety tips:
1) Please do not allow an unqualified person or your children to operate the portable generator. That is important against the generator safety rules. We also need to be keeping an eye on our children too. You need to make sure that your children are not playing near the portable generator especially when it’s running so they won’t get electrocuted. Generators pose electrical risks and they can be hot during an operation. Please keep your children away from the portable generator at all times. It is important to keep our children safe especially our little ones. Be aware of all the hazards.
2) Some people use their portable generators indoors which increases the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. It’s important to have a carbon monoxide if you have a gas generator. Never ever use your generator indoors even if your doors and windows are open and even in the garage is not safe to use a portable generator. Not even at your porch and your deck. It is never safe to use your generator indoors and in enclosed areas of your home. Your generator needs to be 15-20 feet away from your house.
3) 🔥generators cause fire hazards too. Never refuel your generator while it’s running. You need to let your generator cool off before refueling it and before storing your generator. Never overload your generator too. Never ever back feed your generator. You should never plug your generator into a wall outlet. Also never store propane tanks indoors. Please keep flammable things away from the generator as well and please don’t smoke cigarettes near the generator. Having a fire extinguisher next to the generator is also important against the generator safety rules.
4) generator operation; make sure your hands are dry before touching the generator. Never use your generator in wet conditions. Don’t let your generator get wet. You need a generator tent if you need to use your generator during wet weather. Please don’t wear loose clothes when operating the generator. Turn on your generator before plugging in appliances. Use the right cord for your generator. Please do not use worn out cords.
Hope this helps.
@@calvinholser2535 just feed the excess wire back through the hole. Come on. My helper knows you have to have a connector in the box and the sheath has to be in the connector. Its hard to have a weatherproof box with a hole in the back.
Another helpful tip, install a power back alarm to let you know when the grid power is back, especially if you don’t live within sight of neighbors or streetlights.
I've thought about that issue. How exactly would you wire up such an alarm?
You are correct… that’s the only negative about an Interlock setup. But still a very small “negative”
Funny, on the 6th day after Ida we were in out camper running on a generator where we had been staying when a neighbor text me and said ‘your generator is still running’. I said ‘good’. He said ‘power has been on for a couple hours’. Oops.
To solve this problem, I installed a single pole illuminated switch “on” that is wired before main power hits panel. When power goes off flip switch, when power comes on but main breaker is in off position, switch will illuminate showing power is on. Works great.
@@IUSSHistory Make sure you have a comfy chair while you watch for that - and don't fall asleep!
Awesome how to video. And good disclaimers!!
Thank you! That was very helpful.
GREAT video,loved it Todd!!!!!ALWAYS good know!!!!!
Awesome video. Thank you for sharing. Very concise
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Just a suggestion for future projects, , , when you drill a hole for a Tapcon type screw, take a moment and blow the dust out of the hole for better strength. I just use a cheap ear syringe if I'm off-site from my compressor.
Super useful and safe video.
Thanks for the good information!
Very informative ... nice job
I marked the breakers ahead of time the only ones I want to turn on! Also I set down at my computer and printed out step-by-step instructions on what to do what each of the breakers goes to that I want to turn on and about how much power they use. Most people don't understand what the generator doesn't make power! It changes the power in the fuel into electricity. The more electricity you use the more fuel it uses! Most generators have the best fuel to electricity conversion at about half the rated power for the generator. Try not to use more half the rated power as much as you can. Running it at the top rated power is hard on the generator and burns a lot more fuel! I have learned much of this because of many Hurricanes, and not able to get more fuel because the places that sold fuel didn't have power to sell the fuel. GOOD LUCK! STAY SAFE!
Awesome video man! Thank you for also pointing out the disclaimers and warning for backfiring, many videos I have come across dont even mention it.
@gardenlifelove It will only backfire if you advance the timing too much. Also, watch your octane rating...
Excellent explanation 👌
Very helpful, thank you
Nice, I’m planning to do this. Now I know how. Thanks
Man you couldn’t explain that no better im not a electrician and I got it thanks because that’s what I’m trying to hook up in the future soon
Great info thanks
Very good video..... Thank you
Thanks. I live in the Netherlands it’s a bit deferred way of instillation with powering the house with the power brakers. But I will find a way to do it.
Good job sir. I am an electrician and you did the job according to code. Alot of people.do not put the interlock kit thanks for showing people how it is done by code and safe.
Good job, no I didn’t know strain relief where the wire goes into the box no caulking back there, and the panel was a wiring nightmare
@@crusherfang9368 good eye your right. But what I was referring to was everything that is required to make that circuit safe. Interlock fool proofs any electrical shock hazard either going from a live panel to inlet or from generator to transformer which is the moat important part. Also the box is pvc so technically even if the wire were to contact the plastic it would not create a shock hazard furthermore the hole where wire is inserted is completely covered from any human contact no different than sticking a romex wire in a single gang nail up box which requires no connector. So I do not think it is a code violation. And finally it is safe it is right and no inspector would even be able to check.
@@crusherfang9368 its a grey area plastic box no human contact it doesn't take away from safety or quality. And no inspector would open it to check. NEC says single device boxes that are plastic do not require wire clamp unless wire is exposed. And even then all it says is it must be tacked within 8 inches. So put one if you like or don't its up to the person.
@@crusherfang9368 What you think doesnt put food on my table. And yes I am licensed and I own my own company. You continue to be some bodies little slave. You probably went to some trade school that showed you what a wire nut was dont know your ass from your head. Dont know load calculation dont know plan reading dont understand voltage drop or the theory of electricity. Or how to even draw up a mock lighting plan. 😆. Do you even know what NEC stands for. What a UL listing means. Huh.
@@crusherfang9368 just show me the code. Plain and simple.that says what you are saying.
Nice video.
I like to squirt silicone caulking in the holes the wires come through exterior walls and "pre-bemd" the wires before installing the cover so I don't push the wire back into the house . Consider using a short, sturdy wooden spoon or similar with no sharp edges. Finally, outlet boxes which you access from the underside keep wind driven rain and debris out better than front facing models.
Awesome like this thanks
Great video and very informative. Thank you,
Can you use the same 30amp plug with interlock kit for generator use during power outage and also RV use when prepping for travel?
Informative. At the end though I noticed that output box below the panel with no cover. ;)
excellent video I'd like to see where the wires where run.seams like you just added a breaker and ran wires from it to outside box. also my generator is a yamaha 2000watt inverter type, would this smaller generator require a differnt type outside plug? also I have 2 fuse boxs one outside is 220volts one inside shed 120volts. I'm thinking only connect to the inside 120v. just want to power essential stuff like freidg.
few lights ect. thanks
I’ve installed a transfer switch for my Bluetti (battery powered 6kwh) system. Output from system is 30amp tt30 120v to a 30amp breaker on the panel. I’ve found a few random 15-20 amp breakers don’t work on each side, not powering some outlets, lights, fridge, etc. Curious if being an imbalanced load is the issue or something else? Thanks
Great video! Thanks.
Any allowance in the NEC for an indicator light hooked up to the inlet side of the panel? Basically, something that comes on to show mains power is on again?
Thank you
In order to ensure that family members can operate this, you may want to include a step-by-step set of instructions as to what circuits shouldn't be energized or not coupled with red or green color dots adjacent to the breakers.
Hey man thanks for the video
Helpful information! thank you for sharing !!
how do you know when its balanced?
kinda looked like you could turn on the main generator switch with the intrlock in place.
never the less.. great share!
larry
Great video
GREAT VIDEO ,
For Insurance purposes, this installation must be Inspected and tagged by an accredited Electrician.
My 14kw Generac is powered by Natural Gas, auto start . Great peace of mind for country living.
I believe they are now 16kw. Recommended. Well Pump, Furnace, 2 refrigerators and a freezer etc. Lights come back on in 7 Seconds after outage. Pro Installation.
Looks like a reverse RV plug. Nice how to Todd.
Exactly what it is
Here are the generator safety tips:
1) Please do not allow an unqualified person or your children to operate the portable generator. That is important against the generator safety rules. We also need to be keeping an eye on our children too. You need to make sure that your children are not playing near the portable generator especially when it’s running so they won’t get electrocuted. Generators pose electrical risks and they can be hot during an operation. Please keep your children away from the portable generator at all times. It is important to keep our children safe especially our little ones. Be aware of all the hazards.
2) Some people use their portable generators indoors which increases the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. It’s important to have a carbon monoxide if you have a gas generator. Never ever use your generator indoors even if your doors and windows are open and even in the garage is not safe to use a portable generator. Not even at your porch and your deck. It is never safe to use your generator indoors and in enclosed areas of your home. Your generator needs to be 15-20 feet away from your house.
3) 🔥generators cause fire hazards too. Never refuel your generator while it’s running. You need to let your generator cool off before refueling it and before storing your generator. Never overload your generator too. Never ever back feed your generator. You should never plug your generator into a wall outlet. Also never store propane tanks indoors. Please keep flammable things away from the generator as well and please don’t smoke cigarettes near the generator. Having a fire extinguisher next to the generator is also important against the generator safety rules.
4) generator operation; make sure your hands are dry before touching the generator. Never use your generator in wet conditions. Don’t let your generator get wet. You need a generator tent if you need to use your generator during wet weather. Please don’t wear loose clothes when operating the generator. Turn on your generator before plugging in appliances. Use the right cord for your generator. Please do not use worn out cords.
Hope this helps.
@@The_Happy_Aviation_Enthusiast those are great tips, thank you. I always refuel my pressure washer while it’s running because once it runs out of gas it won’t start again for hours , I know it’s wrong and very dangerous but I wanna get the task I’m doing done , now that I see it in writing it hits home , a lot smarter to finish the task the next day then to end up in Shriners
I have done similar but with a "generator panel"... Nice to have alternate power available, saved my ass once in an ice storm.
Great great video, really appreciate the explanation. As a newbie owner, I still have a question:
The two hot wire and one white wire, where do they connect to in the house? I need to prepare those as well, a link to guide or to a video would be much appreciated!
Go to school or call an electrician. Do not mess around you could get bit
One goes to one side of the double pole 30 amp breaker and the other goes to the other side. The neutral white goes to the neutral bus. That double pole breaker allows for powering both legs of the typical house with 120v legs
I caution all the viewers here to make sure you are using the correct wire size and breakers for your application.
Those drop in your ear speakers that plug into your phone have wires that can carry 120v, but use them to power up anything more than a test meter at that voltage and expect the wires to rapidly heat to the point of melting the insulation off and catching fire.
Also, the wires need to be captured in the box or installed in piping/tubing to prevent accidentally pulling them out and exposing bare wire to people or flammable material like wood in the wall.
You can always go to a thicker gauge wire but you can limit it with a lower amperage breaker.
What brand of kit are you using and does it come with the wire as well? If not what wire should I buy?
my issue here is that the main neutral is still connected on the center tap on the utility pole transformer.could this pose an issue again for those working on the lines? i feel that for total safety against back feeds,the neutral should also be opened when you shut off the main switch to use a generator.instead of a two pole disconnect on the main, what about a four pole switch to totally isolate house from utility by diconnecting neutral and ground?
Looks like a good setup and safe too. I would have suggested to add caulking behind the box to reduce water flow where the hole is.
Just be advised that some furnaces won't ignite due to the electrically noisy generator output or grounding scheme.
Lennox furnaces are notoriously incompatible with portable generators.
Don''t depend on the generator for furnace operation in winter without verification.
I just put a muffler on mine, nice and quiet now, no issues
@@kray421 Did you use the real fur ones? Or the synthetic, faux-fur type?
In Australia i have seen a REALLY good set up, the genset was a diesel generator about 20kva rather big with a battery backup system if the generator either failed or ran out of fuel, that way the house still had lighting.
But in Australia we are NOT allowed to touch our 240v wiring in our homes. Not only does it void your homeowners insurance but you can also be held fully accountable if something goes wrong and causes a fire or backfeeds into the grid and kills someone. Happened in my state a farmer used a generator to power his gear and ended up electrocuting a linesman as it was all dead their end (planned maintenance) they tested the line all good but less than half way working on the lines is when the farmer fired up the generator and well yeah farmer got sued.
Australians have safetied themselves out of freedom as made obvious in the aftermath of covid… I’d rather live a little dangerously than under a totalitarian government. It’s too bad. I feel for the true patriots that are left down there.
@@CoeGuthrie Damn straight! We should all have the freedumb to kill unsuspecting linemen. Their fault -- they should always be suspecting.
Thnx....
What kind of wire did you run from the panel to the outlet outside?
Excellent job. 2 Chron 7:14 Fervent prayer needed for world wide revival, time is running out. Bless you and yours.
EZ-connect from Home Depot is a whole home manual transfer switch. It must be wired in between your two phases from your main panel. No limit on the number of circuits. I will agree a kit like this is ideal if it can be used at you have demonstrated in this video.
Yes, I agree this would be nice if you have a 220 volt generator, but still need to check with your local county code to make sure that this face plate is allowed in your area. Some counties do not allow this because the neutral is not isolated and thus if there is a fire or someone on a pole gets hurt, the homeower/renter or the person that installed it is legally liable.
@@kinglee3990 I'm not sure what you're saying about the neutral not being isolated. The neutral and ground are bonded at my main service panel. I'm not sure what fire you're referring too but a pole worker would never see any power from the neutral because it'll end up going to ground at the main service panel.
Thank you for such helpful info. This arrangement would work well for me. Can electricians in Ontario Canada install this for me? Not sure about Canadian codes. Thank you again!
Thank you for the video, I have a Honda eu3000is generator that’s states the max output is 25 amps, does that mean the biggest breaker I could use to tie into from outside would be a 25 amp, and that I couldn’t flip a breaker switch over to use that’s any higher than a 25 amp even if all the other breakers are in the off position ?
Correction, just read the specs further down,.. it’s 30amp (125v) for the connection outlet
The breaker is only there in this example to act as a switch so it only needs to be above your maximum output of the generator.
The breaker incorporated into your generator will do the protecting of your wire
“what they are for”
in the building assuming the wire is rated for the maximum output of the generator.
Example: If the generator has a maximum output of 30 amps, then the wire would need to be 10g.
The breaker in the panel would need to be 30 amps.
Consistency in amp ratings throughout the project is important. In part due to the fact that each outlet and breaker are physically designed-to work with a specific wire size.
Your Honda is a 120V generator. They typically are not hooked up to electrical panels, as they really shouldn't be used to energize both sides of a 240V panel. It can be done with a transfer switch instead of an interlock switch though.
Great video diy instruction, just a quick point ref uk/USA regs. In the uk the earth wire is
Generally green/yellow I notice you had a bare earth, uk regs state that should be sleeved
with a green/yellow plastic tube. Bare wires are strictly a no no. Is that not code in the states.
Also any external box should have a rubber grommet to allow the wires as they exit to be
protected I was surprised to see your box just with the sharp plastic exit hole against the wires.
It’s always very interesting to see the differences between countries. Thanks for the video.
Great video! First time seeing your channel. I'm not seeing much difference between using the dryer recep and installing a whole new recep? Other than more money, work, & another hole in my house. If I'm wrong somebody please tell me. I'm new to this, first time homeowner for 8 months now and new firman tri fuel 10k generator. My utility room is in the basement and has a small window above the dryer. The screen already has a hole so...boom. I also have a capped off has line right there also in case I need to run it off natural gas. It cost me $800 to have that dryer recep put in(finished basement and the panel is on the opposite side of the basement). I can't afford another one right now. Single income family of 6. Hoping for some feedback. Thank you have a blessed day.
Overall a good presentation & in his disclaimer he did state to hire an electrician if you are not comfortable working inside a panel box, good advice...I didn't particularly like the power inlet box used, it looked flimsy, to much plastic imo. The wires should have been run through a bushing rather than the raw cement wall, I used a scrap piece of 5/8" heater hose on my install & I wired into a Reliance power inlet box that sports a strong sealed spring loaded lid. Since this was a 30 amp system, the wire used should have been a 10-3 Romex, ( 4 wires ) I don't think this was mentioned...
I used an almost identical Interlock switch from the same company, they are located in NJ... My box is an older GE 200 amp box & my switch also went into the top LH corner of the cover...In my case, I relocated my top ( 2 ) 15 amp breakers down to bottom LH side of the box. I installed a new single double throw 30 amp GE breaker in their place & wired my Romex 3 into it. The videos ends at this juncture so I'll take a bit further... I run a 50 ft. L14-30 cable over to my Champion, which is approx. a 7 KW portable generator which I run on LPG, i.e. propane...It operates my entire house, ALL CB's remain on...The only thing I don't operate is the electric oven, it is 50 amps...The upper elements work just fine... The 9350 dual/fuel Champion runs a deep well pump, propane fired furnace, TV, computer, all the lights & sometimes simultaneously with ease...Back outside I made a dedicated generator pad & drove a 6 ft. solid copper rod into the ground with the correct grounding clamp as I ground the unit whenever in use, most people ignore it, I don't & all of the manufacturers do recommend it...I'm ( 3 ) years in on this setup with approx. ( 20 ) hours time on the clock. I keep on hand, ( 2 ) 40 lb. tanks & ( 2 ) 20 lb. tanks as they are all portables that quickly & easily hook up to the Champ. I threw the factory LPG hose away, but kept the regulator & reinstalled it onto a 6 ft. commercial grade hose, i.e. soft & flexible...I also maintain a running time journal, whereas typically I will get 18.25 hours out of a single 40 pound tank...This generator will NEVER see gasoline, therefor I will NOT deal with gummed up carburetors from bad gas that goes bad after sitting to long...I did the advance research on my install, got it all done safely & correctly & saved myself a ton of money in the process...
Bill on the Hill,
Vermont, USA... :~)
One other thing I failed to mention on wiring up the power inlet box, I saw no wire lock nut on the backside of the box as I did do this on my install. I chiseled out the wood to accommodate the nut for a flush fit of the box... When the wire is pulled through the box & the length is determined, it is important to LOCK the cable in place whilst you are squeezing the wires into those tight spaces for the hookups...One last thought, if the power inlet box is on a exposed outside wall to all forms of weather, I would use a clear sealant on both sides & the top of the box, leaving the bottom edge open for possible drainage...Professional electricians are more than familiar with the importance of this when working with outside utilities on a residence or commercial work sites...
Sometimes it is those little things that can make or break a successful project...
Bill on the Hill... :~)
I was really shocked by how much effort it took me to get a reliable system in place. Main steps:
1. Install an inlet on the outside of the house and wire it into a breaker installed in the the top left breaker on your panel. Use suitable heavy gauge, 4-conductor wire. E.g., for a 30amp setup, you'll want at least 10/4.
2. If you don't have an in-panel master cutoff switch for the whole house (I didn't), get one and install it. A little intimidating at first given the huge electrical cables, but dead easy.
3. Install an interlock kit in the panel.
4. Optional but good idea, especially since you already have the panel open: install a whole-house surge protector. Not really needed if you use an inverter generator, but not a bad idea to have anyway.
5. Call the wiring inspector, get the above inspected, and put the inspection sticker on your panel door
6. Choose a good generator. With a construction-type genset in the field, you can get away with Chinese crap. But for home use, you want something that you absolutely KNOW will work when the s&%t hits the fan. I recommend a Honda 120/240 setup. An inverter set, or one of their -SX models, will have THD well within the limits of what you need for delicate electronic gear in the house. See below for why you might want to choose one with electric start. I wouldn't recommend getting an overly large genset for what you need; generators don't "turn down" well and an oversized on will use gobs of fuel. Get one with enough surge headroom to be able start critical systems like your sump pump (again, Hondas generally have tons of headroom).
7. If you are using a simple manual interconnect, or a transfer switch that leaves Neutral connected to the grid in either position, un-bond Neutral from Ground in your genset. Many construction-type generators will have this bond; if so, consult your manual for how to un-bond it. Easy.
7. Strongly consider converting the genset to run on natural gas. NG should be available through the most prolonged blackout, and you'll never need to run to the gasoline station. Slightly fiddly but not hard.
7a. if you did as above, unless you already have a NG connection to run your barbecue, you'll have to sling black pipe and install one. You should seriously consider hiring a pro to do this because gas leaks = no bueno. I did it myself though, so you can too. Call the gas inspector and get the new piping inspected. Put his sticker on it.
7b. If you go the NG route, you will almost certainly need electric start. Pull-start works fine for gasoline but it needs to develop a solid vacuum over a few seconds to start when using NG.
8. You may want to engineer some kind of simple roof to keep the rain and snow off your generator. So much the better if it shields the electrical outlets out of the elements as well. I went to West Marine and got some parts for a Bimini top and made a decent roof for it.
9. Meticulously keep the oil in the genset fresh. Even if it hasn't been run, change oil every 6 months. It's only a quart or so in most generators.
10. If there's any doubt, put a new spark plug and air cleaner element in there.
11. If you're going to operate the genset next to your house, you may want to extend the exhaust. If so, do it with a non-rigid connection such as a silicone hose. An extension may increase back pressure a bit, which will reduce the genset's efficiency a little bit, but to keep exhaust fumes away from your house it's probably worth it.
12. If you are going to use electric start, you really want to connect a Battery Tender to the battery to keep it at 100% at all times. A nice way to do this is, run your Battery Tender wire out to the inlet box you installed in #1 above. It will have a standard SAE 2-pin connector on the end. The inlet box will probably have a couple of knockouts, so you can just run the connector out there. Then it's dead simple to connect your battery and keep it charged up.
All in all, it's a lot of steps but having truly bombproof, reliable backup system. It's not fun to be OCD about everything in life, but on a house backup generator setup it's a wise way to roll.
The cable that goes outside where do you plug it in the panel
Good vid.
Do I have to ground the generator separately if I’m using an interlock kit and my home breaker panel is already grounded
cool beans god bless i have for years used a double male plug on each end of a good wire and plug one end in the gen. and the other into a out lit in the house and yes turn off the mail first so there is no feed back god bless
I've been wondering if you can couple something like this with solar panels. Would the generator provide the correct power frequency to allow a tie-in inverter to provide power and would that cause too much back-feed into the generator? Could you use a diode or something to prevent that back-feed to the generator?
for adding solar the correct way its basically a generator interlock with added steps. you need a transfer panel to transfer the loads off the main circuit breaker onto a separate breaker that is supplied by your solar setups inverter without a tie to ground like your main panel has. you would never want to have more than one power generator source working at once without the proper panels, switches and lockouts in place. Like he states in the video this lockout prevents power feeding back into the grid, or from the grid to the generator, the same principals apply with solar and gas generation working in tandem. with a lot of solar stuff its worth consulting an electrician. the main reason for this is solar systems arent really ground tie friendly since that creates a ground loop, and that can devastate a solar system. the dc system of solar has its own ground when connected with batteries, when you bring in the ground rod that is attached to your house it at best has some funky flutters in power, at worst burns out all your solar.
can you technically hookup a solar backup system in the same manner as a gas generator, yes in fact you can have your inverter hook up to a similar interlock like this. but if something goes wrong its more expensive to replace the solar equipment and batteries than a generator. everything also depends on local regulations, for the most part isolated solar circuts are treated in a way where if you wire it like a DC system like in a car or RV. when connected to something that is connected to a grid things get more complex.
if you want to run solar and a gas generator to power more stuff at once, get an electrician to setup your box so the solar is powering all the essentials like lights and fridge, sump pump etc on its transfer panel. and the generator runs its devices, say Air conditioning on another sub panel or if possible on its interlock of the main panel.
check out davidpoz, or Will Prowse while they aren't necessarily experts, both of them are decent at explaining solar systems.
@@antibodyarmy Thanks for the response, but you didn't really answer the question I was asking. If someone has a grid-tie system with a generator rather than batteries, when the power goes out, can the system be configured so that the solar produces power based on the frequencies that the generator produces?
This has nothing to do with the method of disconnection from the grid. We're past that obvious point (this can be done through a manual switchover, as shown in this video, or through a smart inverter system).
When someone setups up a grid-tie system with battery backup, it can be configured so that the panels generate power based on the battery-supplied frequency. The question is, can the same thing work with a generator?
@@dienekes4364 Should be able to. A generator depending on what type, should put out 60 hertz (+ - 5 hertz). Grid power is 60 hertz on the button. The frequency tolerance is 5% so 57-63hz is the range. You want to start with about 62hz at no load because it will drop a bit as the engine is loaded up.
Voltage is the same deal. If your generator has a voltage adjustment then set it for 125 volts at no load. It will drop some as the generator load is increased.
@@ShelbyvsViper Thanks!
Looks like you just got the same setup I did last April
Don’t forget about the generator safety rules as well. Remember to follow all the safety instructions whenever you use your generator. Here are the generator safety tips:
This is just a reminder for everyone’s safety.
1) Please do not allow an unqualified person or your children to operate the portable generator. That is important against the generator safety rules. We also need to be keeping an eye on our children too. You need to make sure that your children are not playing near the portable generator especially when it’s running so they won’t get electrocuted. Generators pose electrical risks and they can be hot during an operation. Please keep your children away from the portable generator at all times. It is important to keep our children safe especially our little ones. Be aware of all the hazards.
2) Some people use their portable generators indoors which increases the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. It’s important to have a carbon monoxide if you have a gas generator. Never ever use your generator indoors even if your doors and windows are open and even in the garage is not safe to use a portable generator. Not even at your porch and your deck. It is never safe to use your generator indoors and in enclosed areas of your home. Your generator needs to be 15-20 feet away from your house.
3) 🔥generators cause fire hazards too. Never refuel your generator while it’s running. You need to let your generator cool off before refueling it and before storing your generator. Never overload your generator too. Never ever back feed your generator. You should never plug your generator into a wall outlet. Also never store propane tanks indoors. Please keep flammable things away from the generator as well and please don’t smoke cigarettes near the generator. Having a fire extinguisher next to the generator is also important against the generator safety rules.
4) generator operation; make sure your hands are dry before touching the generator. Never use your generator in wet conditions. Don’t let your generator get wet. You need a generator tent if you need to use your generator during wet weather. Please don’t wear loose clothes when operating the generator. Turn on your generator before plugging in appliances. Use the right cord for your generator. Please do not use worn out cords.
ruclips.net/video/I1jT3ANENvI/видео.html and here is a video more about keeping others safe when using generators and also about our family’s safety. Hope this helps
You mentioned changing out the 50 that was there in the box with a 30. Would having a 50 in the breaker be an issue even if your plug is a 30? What is the reason for wanting them to match/ be consistent?
The rating of the breaker has to be compatible with the entire circuit so it will protect the weakest link.
Good question, good answer!
What are the wires that were coming out from your house from originally? Would this work on a regular outside outlet?
Cannot use a regular outlet, needs to be 4 wires, rated for the inlet box at 240 volts
It would be a very good idea to make sure the wire you use is the proper guage to handle the amperage output of your generator.
6 gage is the minimal but I would up it to possibly 4 gage
It all depends of the length of run what gage of wire you need. But the entire circuit must be designed within the capacity of the circuit breaker. Just recently I replaced an electric hot water heater. It was wired with wire and breaker for 20A so without replacing both the wire and breaker I couldn’t use a standard 30A electric hot water heater. Thankfully they still make a few 20A versions.
@@crockpot5194 his inlet box is rated for 30 amps. The proper size for 30 amps is 10 gauge, but looks like he ran 6 gauge so that he can just change the box and breaker to a 50 amp in the future if he ever wants to upgrade to a larger generator.
Will the breaker panel have a space for the new breaker? Or do you have to move breakers?
You'll need two slots available at the top of your column of breakers. In my case, I needed to relocate one breaker in order to have two blank slots.
So I assume that the top breaker is already in use, you are basically going to share it with the outdoor outlet for the generator? From the video it looks like the breaker was not shared and he wired the outlet to it only. I didn't see multiple wire connections
Excellent video however my electrical panel is a Wadsworth panel and no one makes an interlock for that panel because is so old but during a power outage I have to turn off the main breaker and turn on my generator 2 pole breaker that back feeds my panel...when the power is restored I turn off my generator and generator breaker and turn back on the main breaker 👍🏿
I’m sure the lineman working outside love hearing this
I read another comment where they made there own interlock.
Or I would pull my meter out while the generator was connected.
Get some sheet metal and a metal cutting blade. Easy enough to make one
I kinda like the way you've done this, even though its not how i did mine.
Mechanical Interlocks are inexpensive today, the one i used is rated at 240v 150 AMP.
They have several advantages, they are easy to wire unto generator remotes, so when power is lost a generator can start on its own, the interlock will switch from mains to generator.
Its all automatic, they are designed and do fail safe, and there is zero chance of back feeding the grid, or cross connecting the grid to the generator, and because it wires inline to incoming mains, all your existing wiring is perfectly fine for carrying there normal loads, you'll be able to safely run any load including AC and Heaters.
A decent interlock, about i don't know an hour of no power to fit it, install the generator cables, and reconnect to the breaker box. Probably do it for £200 and its WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY safer in the long run
I have a 200A whole house transfer switch which works with my Generac whole house standby generator. I run everything including pool pump, hot tub, air conditioning, well pump, etc.
How many watts is your generator?
Whole House generator is the way to go if people have the money. I want one eventually
Even after the last winter snow storm in Houston, my neighbors still have not done anything to prepare, they all think for some CRAZY REASON that Texas has already winterized the grid and that they are fine. Personally! If you didn't do what you needed to do, then do not ask me to "run a cord" to your house, plus they wouldn't help me anyways. Soooooo! Good luck!
Be sure that the part retrofitted to the main panel as an interlock is approved for the area you are in, because here in Canada ( Quebec province at least ) these interlocks aren't legal, also they are not considered as true power isolation devices because they do NOT open the neutral wire from the power provider side of the circuit. Real interlock systems fully isolate ALL the wires coming from the power provider, neutral wire included. Remember that everything goes well in life, right to the moment something bad happens. Then the judge tells you, no one shall ignore the law.
Too right. Both poles should always be isolated. Judging from this video, the US seems to allow some pretty bad habits. Having had a reversed fed neutral wire shock (I was doing a factory panel changeover where it turned out someone had borrowed a neutral), I can tell you they hit the body just as much as a live wire shock does.
@@bertiesworld Neutral shocks are as bad as line shocks, that is why the neutral have to be isolated too.
Glad i don't live in Canada.
I have solar also so I’m sure I need more then just this.
Hi. I have G12KBN generator that has 30 and 50 amp outlets. 12,000 peak watts/ 9,500 rated watts (gasoline). Do i need to run 50 amp or 30 amp 240v to my house ?
I would run a 50amp wire and plug to get the most out of your generator
You will want one circuit to always see the power line coming into the house so you can have a radio setup to start when power is restored so you have an easy time knowing power is back.
Andrew H, there is a product called “power back alarm” from Reliance controls that will let you know when the grid comes back up.
I just my electric meter as if its on then power is back. Also at night the street lights are handy lol.
I connected an exterior light on the power side of the panel that is on when power is back on and off when the power is down.
I look out my window to the utility pole across the street for the red light on the side of the transformer and I know power is back on.
I subscribed to the utility company for text message alert when the power is back on in my area. I also live close to street lights 😉
I’ve actually written on my breaker box in marker which ones to turn on and which way is on. I did this cause sometimes my mom is alone at my house and I wanted very clear instructions right on the box.
You need a fitting in the box to prevent the wire from pulling out from other side. It's probably fine for it's purpose but will fail any inspection. Good Video.
I'm trying to to put a Genarator plug box on the outside of my mobile home that has a pole on the outside. How should I go about installing that.
If you are not sure, better call an electrician.
So, what generator are you using with 30 amp to power at 240 both sides of the panel? Are you concerned about powering your sensitive electronics?
Great job! It is a pleasure to see someone show the correct and safe way to hook up a genny to run most of a house during a blackout.
I would just add - most municipalities will require that you pull a permit for this work, and have it inspected once complete. I can't stress enough the importance of this. If you do not pull a permit and your house burns down from an electrical fire - even if the fire was not caused by your work - your insurance company will likely not pay the claim without a long, expensive legal battle.
Pulling a permit is great (and low cost) way to have an expert double-check your work for you.
Don’t forget about the portable generator safety rules. Here are the generator safety tips:
1) Please do not allow an unqualified person or your children to operate the portable generator. That is important against the generator safety rules. We also need to be keeping an eye on our children too. You need to make sure that your children are not playing near the portable generator especially when it’s running so they won’t get electrocuted. Generators pose electrical risks and they can be hot during an operation. Please keep your children away from the portable generator at all times. It is important to keep our children safe especially our little ones. Be aware of all the hazards.
2) Some people use their portable generators indoors which increases the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. It’s important to have a carbon monoxide if you have a gas generator. Never ever use your generator indoors even if your doors and windows are open and even in the garage is not safe to use a portable generator. Not even at your porch and your deck. It is never safe to use your generator indoors and in enclosed areas of your home. Your generator needs to be 15-20 feet away from your house.
3) 🔥generators cause fire hazards too. Never refuel your generator while it’s running. You need to let your generator cool off before refueling it and before storing your generator. Never overload your generator too. Never ever back feed your generator. You should never plug your generator into a wall outlet. Also never store propane tanks indoors. Please keep flammable things away from the generator as well and please don’t smoke cigarettes near the generator. Having a fire extinguisher next to the generator is also important against the generator safety rules.
4) generator operation; make sure your hands are dry before touching the generator. Never use your generator in wet conditions. Don’t let your generator get wet. You need a generator tent if you need to use your generator during wet weather. Please don’t wear loose clothes when operating the generator. Turn on your generator before plugging in appliances. Use the right cord for your generator. Please do not use worn out cords.
Hope this helps.