Kathleen actually did apologize years ago on her instagram story. I remember watching it. There was also a hurricane happening in Florida so she was also mentioning how she felt scared. People felt she was deflecting the issue by mentioning the hurricane.
I remember her doing the IG story apology but I don't get why these people feel the need to use stories that disappear in 24 hours to apologize for things that are serious. Just makes it feel like they don't care about whatever they're "apologizing" for
I was about to comment this. I also remember people defending her with the whole “there’s a hurricane happening that’s more important than some drama” like people can worry about more than one thing at the same time
@@GarliccDread she put it on her highlights though. But I agree. Should have posted it on RUclips but she probably doesn't want to risk alienating any subscribers that don't know what happened.
Perfect name for an actual candle!! Hanna needs to trademark it and use it for her own line...haha 🕯 👌 do a variance too Today' (s) candle .. Yesterday' (s) candle.. Influencer (s) candle .. Haha
I’ve personally decided that racist behavior cannot be solved by a “sorry” anymore 🤷🏾♀️ thinking another person isn’t human and doesn’t deserve rights isn’t a life phase.
@missmartha_ 99% of people over the age of 15 know how bad “one word” is the level that they care varies wildly. The level that you care shows your lack of character or education. But like I said most people already know it’s bad so it’s safe to assume that they’re a bad person if they use the word. Just because you don’t care about millions of people telling you the impact of the word doesn’t make it less impactful. I think that’s what people fail to understand.
@@lateberry why does it matter that black people are using the word? presuming you aren’t black, why can you not take it as fact that a majority of black people do not want you to ever utter that word and doing so contributes to their dehumanisation, and therefore discrimination and, in a very real sense, perpetuates the trend of hate crimes leading to our deaths. it’s very simple. if you don’t care about how badly the word affects black people, that’s literally a sign that you don’t care for black people and their lives. i’m black and if I went the rest of my life never saying that word it would affect my life a grand total of 0%. so the fascination with it for other racial groups baffles me and is the equivalent of an immature child at someone else’s birthday party crying over not being able to open a gift. except it contributes to the literal systemic oppression and murder of a whole ethnic minority. even in the most simple, human terms, i just want you to consider the fact that i as a black person detest it when that word is used by non black people and it deeply hurts me. in the same way you wouldn’t call your friend a mean name if you knew they would be hurt by it, I would deeply hope that any stranger could respect me even on a basic level by refraining from using a slur with one of the darkest histories of human suffering, especially since it neither hinders nor affects your life at all.
@@lateberry Legally no it's not a thing to ban other people from saying a word, but there are plenty of racial slurs in other countries that people face major scrutiny for if said. The usage of the word by the people it's being used against isn't the same thing as everyone throwing it around willy nilly. I also don't know why that's hard for people to wrap their heads around. For example, you might call your friends bitches or yourself a bitch as a joke or to parody the meaning which I guess is also kind of a joke. However, you wouldn't call your grandma that word. People also don't make jokes about having cancer when they've never gone through that disease. They know it would be offensive, insensitive, etc. Yet, those same people get so entitled about the N-Word it's baffling. This isn't the first time your "freedom of speech" is being challenged just don't say it, it's not difficult.
@@lateberry Again most people are educated about slavery, racism, and words from those eras. The normalization of white people saying the N-word doesn't come from watching black people say it it's from watching white people say it. Just like learning about war doesn't make people violent, but the glamorization and laissez-faire attitude could. Yes we are all human but our lives and experiences are all different. Black and white Americans don't live in the same America. You can't think of it as a random group of people being able to do one thing and another random group doing the same. We're taught too often to be color blind when that effectively erases history and important social contexts, and creates problems like these. So what a bunch of black people are saying it, you can't, end of story.
@@lateberry I personally think if someone has said the word years ago and has clearly changed as a person they don't deserve to be cancelled. However, if they have an awful racist past like Jafar Starburst or Shame Dustbin then yes that cannot be fixed
People tend to forget that an apology is not for you, the apology is for the people that you hurt with your actions/words and it's up to them to accept it, and even when they have accepted it they still need time to heal. That's why the majority of youtuber apologies suck, they start with "I am sorry... but..." and they proceed to make excuses, they do it to save their behinds and not because they really care. As someone said, they are sorry that they got caught, not because they hurt someone.
coming at this from a different angle: isn’t it weird for hannah to be criticizing an apology that wasn’t meant for her? she’s saying it’s insufficient which really isn’t her place either. i think what happens is she gets woke points for calling it out but in that way we are selectively applying logic. i’ve seen at least 1 black creator share a very different opinion about kathleen than the one shared here so..... that’s worth recognizing.
What people like Jeffree Star do is name a lipstick shade “Problematic” so that if one ever googled the words “Jeffre Star Problematic”, the thing that comes up is that lipstick and not the bad behavior and scandals. This is a known thing that a lot of brands have done. I’m sure there’s a term for it.
I think this is giving Jeffrey way too much credit. I think he found the term amusing and thought that the flashy lipstick names would give him some controversy, and thus more sales
@@PanicattheDiscourse same thing with him saying something like "I have been on model behaviour" or something. Now when you google Boris Johnson model that will come up instead of his scandal with shagging and being misogynistic towards models
I truly like Kathleen but I’m so tired of people using “being drunk” as a excuse for bad behavior. I’ve been drunk and never said racial slurs. If people say that with a camera on, what do they say with the camera off? Very disappointed
Right? I've made some poor choices while drunk but nooope. (Side note for Rosie: Ambien never made me racist. It just made me forget that I made and ate three mug brownies the night before...😂)
Exactly. I've been blackout, wet the hotel bed, almost get hospitalized drunk at a wedding. The worst I did was cry while looking at a cute guy because he was so cute and text my ex that I wish we got married (luckily he thought it was funny). I didn’t use slurs because they’re not in my vocabulary and never have been
They're so bad because they put them out like they're contractually obligated, rather than morally responsible. Thanks for putting out such great content! ✨❤️
honestly, i feel more and more that we “accept” apologies when it’s people that we like more than others. because honestly we can’t know what is on other people’s hearts so we can only guess that they are truly sorry and regret their actions
@@sa-mi1un It’s also a thing that kids then go through a phase (some of them clearly never grow out of it) where when they learn about “sorry” they run around hitting people saying they’re sorry and then an adult has to explain to them that another option is just NOT hitting people to begin with and the kids usually respond with “oh. I didn’t think of that”
I also think a big problem we as audience members have gotten used to repeating is accepting apologies from influencers when it wasn’t an apology for us in the first place. Like how many of us white people will see an Influencer apologize for using a racial slur and then some of us will be like “you know what? You seem genuinely sorry so it’s ok I forgive you” and then I have to step back and scold myself and be like “uh uh honey that apology wasn’t for YOU so stop accepting apologies on behalf of the people that were really hurt like minorities”
@@Bridenbrad exaaaaaaactly... i’m obviously white and i remember when that happened and i was a teenager i thought well, she has never showed any type of micro aggressions before, i don’t think she’s really racist so i’ll continue following her. i totally forgot about it until her stories the other day. i still don’t know where i stand because i’ve never seen her being racist other than this incident and actually have seen her trying to be more and more inclusive so i genuinely don’t know now
She may have “apologized” but was literally making excuses in the same breath. Also, her brother’s response is enough to make me side eye both of them. I’m a Black woman and in the nail community. There are way too many other Black owned brands to support.
As people have mentioned in the comments, Kathleen did apologize when this originally happened. It was not well received, but it did occur. Just think this is worth highlighting for accuracy.
In my family we have a saying, “sorry doesn’t fix it.” We taught our kids that anyone can say sorry and not mean it, but what are you going to do to fix the thing you did wrong? At this point, I think apology videos just bring creators more attention and views and they’re not actually sorry at all. 🤷🏻♀️
Love that you did this! Saying sorry is great but you have to show growth in character that you did improve which is why it’s hard for me to accept apologies sometimes like it’s been too soon?
To quote someone far more intelligent than myself, "The best apology is changed behavior." In other words, the best way to show that you regret actions that hurt others is to avoid the hurtful behavior, learn from it, and do better. Take actions to show growth.
My grandma used to always say this, and while I agree with the sentiment, when I was just a young kid who was genuinely sorry I made honest mistakes, it sucked having her always reply with "sorry isn't good enough". This is a different situation where sorry really isn't enough for what Kathleen did and said, she needs to change her behaviour. Bu
I also feel as though influencers view “cancelling” as an attack, when it’s really just their fans trying to hold them accountable. I think if they approached the situation with the mindset of “these people support me, I should try and be better”, apologies wouldn’t be so trash
I agree, but I can see how in Kathleen's case it would be slightly frustrating for her to have apologized back when it happened and then have it brought back out every few years by people who seem to really want to ''cancel'' someone.
Another problem with many of these apologies is they frame themselves as a victim or sympathetic character instead of a willing agent in their mistake. The centring on their feelings about the situation rather than their actions and the people they hurt reinforces that they are doing this less out of regret and more out of covering their butt.
reasons why Jenna legitimately had the best apology video 1. she showed videos of what she did 2. she explained why she did it and didn't see it as wrong at the time 3. she did it unprompted, there was no drama, there weren't really any call outs, she saw some people upset by her past behavior and addressed it 4. shes obviously shown major growth since she made those videos
And she left the internet! While that was really sad and I miss her content a lot... she knew it was time for her to move on and just go live her life and enjoy it without being a public figure anymore. Shane honestly could’ve done something similar and then left the platform AND other platforms and yeah we’d still be like ew you’re gross because what he has done is... just so much worse but at least it would’ve been the most graceful and respectful way he could’ve handled it. I hope Jenna is doing well and is enjoying life❤️ I wish we had more genuine people like her on YT.
yesss exactly she explained how her views have changed since then, she didn't just say "this happened, sorry about it" she clearly understood how it hurt people and didn't make excuses for herself
The literal only nitpick I had with her video is that she said "Im sorry IF I hurt you." I just dont like that phrase because it feels deflecting, just say "Im sorry that I hurt you." Besides that, I still love Jenna and watch her videos even if shes gone
Eliza I think I wanted to believe she meant that as in if you were one of the ones that mentioned it bothered you. I agree though, that has always bothered me too!
Kathleen did apologize years back, but she never made a RUclips video. The criticism is that she didn't bring awareness to her largest platform and the nail community was boycotting until she made a better apology.
MalibuDollFace made a great video when this happened. It really spoke more to the relationship between Latinx and Black communities, and how a lot of latinx youth feel justified in saying the N word because they live life in such close proximity to blackness and have never been checked on it until they reach adulthood. Also, let’s be honest, if Jacklyn Hill was a more genuine person, this would have NEVER been public knowledge. All JH had to do (AS AN ALLY) was check her privately and not post the clip. Villa nixing Kathleen 4 years later is just unnecessary and does nothing for her Black supports imo 🤷🏾♀️
I remember she disappeared bc her area was hit with a bad hurricane and she evacuated with her family I watched her IG stories during that time and she apologized but it was also done poorly
I actually followed Kathleen on twitter at the time this happened and I remember seeing tweets (which I assume have since been deleted) of her trying to kind of justify her use of the word Bc she was “angry” and it’s a “slang term” she hears a lot. I was disappointed Bc I was subscribed to her and the first video back after she didn’t address anything and then all the comments were people being like “awww poor girl you can really tell she’s upset over this” Bc she was low energy. She seemed more scared than upset IMO. Honestly it feels part of the price of being a black person on the internet is that at some point ur non-black faves will disappoint u by being racist!
Yes! I remember this too! It was so defensive and trying to downplay it because of a cultural thing? It was so strange. She also confirmed (if i remember correctly) that she uses that word regularly in life because of those tweets because lots of people were pointing out that for her to have dropped it so casually it would have to exist in her regular lexicon. Her tweets backed that up imo.
That last point is why I try not to get too attached to creators. Too many of them turned out to have racist tendencies and so many people outside of the black community like to ignore it and keep these people on the platform.
@@Ikine557 I used to watch her too, she called out vegans who were peddling really dangerous ideas and debunking a lot of misconceptions about veganism. But then during the BLM movement she basically said it wasn’t important. Then recently she made a video about how capitalism was compatible with veganism, despite the fact that farm animals are treated poorly as a result of capitalism. And for the current situation, not only is she going to bat for The Vegan Teacher, like I said, in the video she published yesterday, she said that because she’s white and has a philosophy degree, she has an equal say on racism, and that PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY RACISM ARE EMOTIONALLY COMPROMISED AND THUS MEANS THEIR OPINIONS ARE BIASED. Uh, yeah, miss White Liberal, because their lives are at stake! Also. She thinks that it’s racist to say her opinions on racism aren’t as valid as a black person’s. So.
I stopped watching UV when she said she didn't support the BLM movement and then double downed when ppl gave her the benefit of the doubt. So this situation doesn't surprise me.
Omg thank you for talking about “cancel culture” becoming a political slogan! Republican senators are using it as a way to not take accountability for the capitol raid and it has been killing me!😂
In my opinion “cancel culture” has always been political. People online can be harassed, threatened or “canceled” for any reason-but (barring unique situations like the woman who hit her dog in camera) it’s racists, homophobes, etc who get labeled “victims” of cancel culture and have people come to their defense. Sooner or later people need to realize “cancel culture” is just “pc culture” with a different hat on. It’s not about growth and change it’s about protecting certain bigots from consequences.
I generally agree with your points but I wonder if, like in the case with Kathleen lights, just bc they don’t put their apology on their biggest platform that it doesn’t mean that they havent grown. Kathleen has worked to put the light on makeup and products created by POC, and there have not been any incidents (as far as I am aware) of her saying things like that. And while I do agree we need to be critical of people’s apologies, I don’t think having a lackluster apology for a previous mistake / previous bad action in the past should completely discredit the progress they may have already made. And just bc an apology is good doesn’t mean that it will mean a lot if they haven’t changed or if they have been disrespectful to people behind the scenes or in their content. Basically I think their should be balance somewhat of their actions overall and their apology.
I’m always amazed at how one group accepts an “apology” meant for another. She shouldn’t have said it and her delay in addressing it is telling, immature, and shows the level of disrespect she has for the Black community.
so i’m in the nail community and that’s where I saw the movement for kathleen to apologize and a lot of black people were upset at how she handled the situation and how she didn’t address it on her youtube and then she did address it with that ig story but people were still asking for it on youtube specifically. I even posted a story and she saw my posts and there were lots of other posts too that i’m sure she saw as well. but yeah it’s not my apology to accept but I still think she should address it on youtube
But Kathleen did apologize at the time. She tweeted, posted an Instagram post w text apologizing (edit: it’s still up I just checked) and she went on her stories and mentioned it. I remember watching it. You keep saying she never addressed it at the time those years ago, but she did. The issue wasn’t that she didn’t apologize at all...it was that she didn’t apologize WELL. I do remember seeing that many of her black followers and supporters felt it was not a genuine/good enough apology at the time and as I am not black it was not my apology to accept, so I took their lead and understood the desire for her to expand on that apology. But she never did. Until this week. I do agree she should put an apology up on her RUclips channel. This summer would have been a good time for her to make a video about the subject, I think it would have been received well. Not sure this IG apology will go down as being well received.
@@GabbyJibblit Yea, this seems to have happen a few times recently. She really needs to more of her due diligence before posting such critical opinions. I still like Hannah though, but she really needs to be a bit more careful with her "research".
I also don’t think her nail polish brand has anything to do with it. She had KL Polish back then too that reflected on her image just as much as Lights Lacquer does today
I feel like when some RUclipsrs say accountable they more mean 'i want to look like I care but I don't really but I don't want to face any consequences'
I agree -- saying "I did x and I take full accountability" literally means nothing. Stating the facts of their behavior doesn't make up for anything, and doesn't show they've learned anything from their fuck up.
Unpopular opinion: I’d rather have an influencer not say anything at all about a scandal than force them to make a half assed apology that’ll get ridiculed anyway. Biggest RUclipsr example is Tana. She basically was forced to apologize by Twitter/management etc with the micro-aggression scandal, but she clearly didn’t give a single fuck about it. Her not addressing the issue shows how she truly feels, which IMO, is way better than her being fake woke about the situation and her actions.
I really love Kathleen & feel like she is sincere. However, I even commented on a recent photo saying that although her apology can be appreciated, her not posting it on a main platform was severely disappointing and made it seem less genuine. I don’t think she did it to save her business, but I do believe that she is scared of the backlash she would (rightfully) get if she put it on a bigger platform. So even though I think she’s genuine, I don’t think it’s enough and I think it was a mistake to not put it on a more public platform. I hope she changes this mistake because I do love her & want to support her but also want her to really own what she did.
@@fawn2911 sorry if it came off like I was saying that. I totally understand that the apology is not mine to accept. I know that her actions hurt black people, and knowing that that has not been mended & from what I’ve seen she has not been forgiven because her apologies have fallen flat - I don’t want to support her. Even if she did make a new apology and “fix” (in my words) it, I would still wait to see and hear what the group she affected said.
@@cynthiaisako because in the video you can clearly hear Danny, KL’s husband, saying “Don’t post that”. Also Kathleen was drunk and prolly didn’t know she was being recorded. (she had the VR set on) Not defending KL, but if “my friend” posted a video of me doing something inappropriate to their millions of followers , knowingly or unknowingly, is a shady move.
i feel like there is such a catch 22 sometimes because if you screw up and you genuinely try to be better and change and you post about the ways youre doing that, people still say "oh youre only doing this to make yourself look better." what do you think is a way to do that and genuinely make changes, but still show that you are doing so? not to get applause to but to say "hey look im really trying. i want to be better"
Personally I think a video that apologizes by saying what you did wrong, why it is wrong and what is your plan to better yourself would be helpful. Don’t say anything about why you did it or any justification about it being ok. The apology is supposed to be 100% about the party hurt and you do your best to provide closure so they can move on. If that means they leave or walk away completely then that is what they need to do. It cannot be about purposely showing change. It has to be people noticing that on their own. It is all about time.
I remember the Kathleenlights thing. It's the reason I stopped watching her. I remember her brother attacking people in comments and Kathleen deflecting on her insta story. I also remember no one showed any real anger at Kathleen everyone attacked Jaclyn saying she was jealous and trying to ruin Kathleen's career bc Kathleen's husband told her not to post the sc and she posted it anyway. I remember Kathleen being like sorry I know I'm not supposed to say that but its something I've grown up saying im songs and what not and it pissed me off enough to completely stop following her everywhere after being a Stan for years lol.
something to consider about the "white fragility" book is that a white woman is monetizing information she learned from black women and that black women are also still saying (and writing books about) and it may be better to give your money directly to black women and reading their own personal words on their own oppression, just food for thought
I'm not sure that we can really determine if they are sorry for their actions or only sorry they got caught. I'm certain some youtubers have apologized just because they "had" to in order to save face. But I also think people are capable of learning and growing. Is the only way to learn from something by making a widely well-received public apology? If the viewers' reactions to the person's apology is what determines if they are truly sorry, then is the apology really reflective of true remorse and growth? I'd argue it's possible to reflect and be truly sorry/do better without. I don't think we could determine that though. Ultimately only they will ever know I guess.
I agree with you also. & I correlate it to the LauraLee situation as well. I don’t think a person HAS to apologize to be sorry. I care more about their growth since. & I agree, most of the RUclipsrs that have successfully come back from their “cancelation” probably weren’t sorry when it happened or when they were forced to apologize but has since shown growth & actually done the work to be better.
i wish certain youtubers did this. most of the time they only have to apologize because A) there legal team said to or B) it’s ruining their image. the only apology i accepted was jenna marbles only because i didn’t know about her past videos and her apology is actually sincere and she didn’t add “i was in a dark place”
I feel like everything I felt after finding out from D'Angelo's video how Dr. Mike apologized on his second channel that has significantly less subscribers, you have just put all of those feelings into words. 💖
She did apologize when it happened,and right after a huge hurricane forced her to evacuate her house,she didn't had the time immediately to make a RUclips video. That's why she's letting the apologies videos in a highlight this time(back then highlights didn't exist) all happened to fast,the scandal,the hurricane and the after math of the hurricane, yes sure weeks after she could address it but she didn't and i kinda understand. Also i do think she felt and feels bad about it.
She apologized with caveats. Which isn't an apology. She said she didn't say it with a hard R. She denied being racist in the initial "apology." it isn't just about saying the words "I'm sorry;" it's also about knowing what you did and giving yourself no excuses. If you say, "There's no excuse for what I did" and then mention that you were drunk as a cop-out, that's not genuine.
Hannah you absolutely glowing in this video. I find all RUclips apology videos cringey because half the time you damn well know they don't believe what they are preaching to us about it. They'll never think they have done anything wrong about it.
here’s my question id like to pose- what, if anything, could Kathleen have said on this topic to fix anything? Since four years ago when the video came out, she’s stayed unproblematic and overall has not repeated the same mistake. I AGREE that it’s wrong what she said but I think sometimes those of us who are calling people out do too much and play into the stereotype of cancel culture, not allowing someone to live down a video from YEARS ago even tho the behavior has not continued. Hot take but I respect your opinion if you disagree with me. Idk I guess I just feel the topic of this video was great but I don’t know if Kathleen is the right subject specifically
@SimplyRad right? And I get that maybe it’s like you should donate and stuff but then people also call that performative activism. I’m not a believer in cancel culture being a bad thing, I just think that the masses often DO want to see people fall because it’s simply entertaining which is sad. This is a human and she should get a chance to grow, which I believe she has
I agree. By continuing to bring someone down from something that happened years ago, we stop people wanting to grow as human beings. I don’t disagree that they should apologise to the people they may have affected by their actions or speech, but I think their actions since this time matter. So in the instance of Kathleen, she has been consistently promoting POC businesses and supporting the BLM movement. Whereas Jeffree Star’s actions are consistently poor to everyone around him and even people he personally DMs, e.g. telling a brand owner they hope they get shot in the face with a rubber bullet.
@@kelcilewis she's all about the views and dropping KL will get her those clicks. I also feel she's go this complex of moral superiority like she's some authority we all turn to for this type of drama.
What people don't understand that a "good" apology doesn't fix something but a bad apology makes it worse. She had a bad apology where she never said "I'm sorry for being racist" she did what everyone else did and say "I'm sorry for what I said I did it for xyz reason but that was incorrect." I for one am over "I'm sorry for offending people or hurting your feelings" apologiea just say point blank you fucked up and apologize. Then once the first step is done keep doing work to fix the problem.
it’s important to note that although kathleen didn’t address this on youtube, she did on instagram in a public post and on her highlights all those years ago. not saying it was a good apology or that we should all instantly forgive her, but you can’t say that she didn’t address it. also, kathleen is a very nervous and apologetic person on her channel, so i have a hard time believing that she wasn’t sorry at all. it’s harder that we’d like to think to admit to doing something so wrong, especially when you’re nervous to speak on the internet as it is. she’s changed a lot in the last few years (people who watch her can tell) and i’m tempted to believe that she has a really hard time thinking about what happened.
I understand Kathleen made a huge mistake and she hurt countless people. I’m sure she’d used that word flippantly many times before then (as a Latina in south Florida, I hear that word said too often, and it’s disgraceful) But I have a feeling that she’s learned her lesson since then. She apologized at the time, it may not have been a good apology, but she did address it. And she’s worked hard to stay in her lane and grow as a person. When is it enough? I genuinely want to understand what it takes so that people stop burning someone like her at the stake, but are so quick to forgive JS. Yes she made mistakes and the black community owes her NOTHING for what she did. But if she hasn’t made that mistake since and has shown growth, when do we just leave her alone and go on our merry way?
It is a thing with Hispanics that say the N word! It’s bad but so many Hispanics say it, that’s where we’re wrong. I get why she said it, I’ve even said it before because the type of community I was around always said it, things changed a lot now, I get how that word shouldn’t be said by Hispanicss
random nit (linguists / English degree holders, please lmk if this is wrong) - isn't it semantically void to say "I take accountability"? Does that even actually mean anything? Doesn't one "take responsibility" for something, and other people are the ones who *hold* them accountable? Am I wrong?
Honestly Hannah I have to disagree on some points here. Maybe I’m more cynical but I do think that in many cases the majority of people are rooting for youtubers to make bad apologies. We can only speak for ourselves but I think you have to be very optimistic to assume that people want to see growth and maturity. I think there is now this culture of enjoying the downfall of prominent people and love the show of someone going down
Yes! Thank you for talking about accountability. Apologizing doesn't mean you're being held accountable. To me, accountability isn't something you "take," you can take responsibility, but you can't take accountability. Accountability is a *willingness* to accept responsibility, it doesn't mean you *do* accept responsibility. To me, accountability is *outwardly*, responsibility is *inwardly*. And I'd argue that for RUclipsrs, celebrities, even your best friend, they don't get to decide when they've been held accountable because then, accountability becomes a checkbox, a destination, and not ongoing repentance and growth. The conversation around what really is accountability is something you should do a video on!!!
she did apologize on several platforms at the time. i do not condone her actions and the apology is not for me so i cannot not speak on it nor accept it on people's behalf, but she also did it when hurricane irma hit miami. i'm pretty sure she was even being evacuated at the same time.
Genuinely mean this as a compliment- I love the way you open your videos saying "Hi how are you?" In such a sweet inviting tone and stuff. It reminds me of walking into like a kindergarten or preschool class where the teacher greets the students in that like loving gentle way.
I don't use Snapchat or Instagram, and I rarely used twitter. I appreciate you discussing what content creators are doing on those platforms, because I would never know otherwise.
So I was confused because I remember Kathleen posting a video years ago after it happened. And then I just watched her insta stories now, and she made it seem like she never filmed a video talking about it. But what I think happened is that she posted a video and she tried to justify her saying that word by saying that she didn’t call anyone that word she just said it. Anyways, if anyone else was confused I think that’s what happened
Okay, so I went back and did some research and there are some videos on the topic. Rich Lux has one (I only mention this bc he includes her Instagram stories apology from 3 yrs ago). Other notable videos are ruclips.net/video/8Uki48kcaCI/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/u_v4QmvANcw/видео.html So she did make an apology on her Instagram just not on RUclips. The debate in the videos is whether she meant the word in a malicious way or not.
She never did a video. She wrote an Instagram statement. It was something like, I'm not addressing the people who it's not their place to accept it, as most of Kathleen's fan base are latin and forgave her right away. And they came for Jaclyn with the snake emoji's. And I believe Jaclyn never heard her say it which was why she posted it. She specifically said, I was laughing like a hyena and didn't hear it. Which we all know Jaclyn does have a loud, obnoxious laugh. The situation ruined their planned collab which sucked bc we were all looking forward to it. Kathleen used the term like the black community uses it. I don't believe she meant any harm, although it's inappropriate from anyone including the black community. They need to stop using the word period.
the topic of youtuber apologies is *so* interesting to me! last semester i finished a senior thesis in communication paper comparing shane dawson’s and jenna marbles’s apology videos, and it was really eye-opening to research the way that youtubers’ “brands” react during scandals. most of an “influencer’s” job is creating a brand out of themselves, but there has to be a level of sincerity that audiences can see. in most apologies, the youtuber is more swept up in saying what they should have done differently rather than proving that they’ll do it differently in the future. this video really hits the nail on its head!! 💛
😂 yes! I’m surprised it’s never talked about?! Like he literally tried getting sympathy with this project and then cancelled it after one episode because of the backlash
I’m in agreement with you. Most people are sorry for themselves and want the issue to go away, rather than feeling bad for others and working to earn back trust. It’s really troubling that so many prominent you tubers lack basic human empathy.
I agree, she's the only one who isn't a repeat offender and seems like a pretty genuine person. I do think the apology was done poorly though but tbh I wouldn't have known how to address it either since it happened so long ago
I can understand that. I more just felt it was a good example of something recent that hit on my points but I agree she’s not on the same level as someone like Shane or Tana.
I agree, I don’t think Kathleen is on the same level at all as to Shane, J* and others. I think that you should have said that in this video. I remember the hurricane and her apology. I don’t think the apology was great but I don’t know what anyone would do or how they would act if they were having to evacuate their home either. I felt she was and is a genuine person.
@@fawn2911 I don’t think she was accepting her apology, she was just giving her opinion about how her mistake and persona is compared to the other youtubers
Thank you for posting this!!! I am so glad that you mentioned the fact that just saying sorry is not enough. Regardless of whether it’s an influencer or your best friend, ‘sorry’ is just a word, your actions are what is important. It’s easy to lie with your words, but your actions will show your true intentions.
I remember seeing Kathleens apology, maybe even two apologies (one for insta one for RUclips I think) but I can’t remember where those have gone. I remember seeing it and it wasn’t good either
Okay I remember seeing one too! I'm glad I'm not crazy. And I remember her being like "I never talk like that I don't even know why I said that!" Do you remember it being like that?
I just watched her insta apology and to me, it felt sincere. I guess I’m not sure what she should have done differently (aside from doing better three years ago, which she admitted.)? Is there something that she should have done differently now? Or is it just that she did the apology on Instagram instead of RUclips? Genuinely curious.
I personally think that she made the apology thru insta because it was the more personal platform thru her viewers. Coz whenever I see her IG stories she talks about more personal things than youtube. Atlhough youtube is a much bugger platform but she chose IG for that more personal touch. I sincerely think she's not the bad of a person, she continue to make videos regardless if there's lesser viewers.
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I’m auditioning for music school and in between audition takes when I’m very stressed, I relax by watching your videos. I’ve watched your entire Channel over the last two weeks and they’re all so good and well thought out!!
Recently found your channel...watching most youtuber/influencer vids and it really is so easy to just listen to whilst I'm doing dishes of something 👏🏼😂
I actually don’t agree on the fact that Kathleen saying the n word was forgotten, it came up every single time she was mentioned on the BeautyGuruChatter subreddit. I mean yeah, reddit is not that big in the beauty community but still, the subreddit has 250.000 members and her views are definitely down from a couple of years ago. I’m not completely sure that it’s just because of that, her content feels dated and kinda boring sometimes, but I definitely think that that has contributed
So when I heard about the incident I wasn’t even watching Kathleen, but in my mind I said “oh I won’t watch her”. And now, years later, I would see her things pop up and I was like “huh Why don’t I watch her?.. i feel like she did something problematic... I’ll just stay away because I must have a reason for feeling this way” Kudos to past me for cementing that into my brain
I feel like it wasn't forgotten necessarily but definitely sidelined in support of her nail polish brand(s) before this came up again. Like I would see a lot of nail instagrammers or youtubers being able to use/mention her brand without kathleen's scandal or lackluster apology being discussed in the comments. Now that the conversation has come up again there is pushback against public support of her brand again (but again I don't follow the conversations on reddit as much as insta)
Your last point made me think of when celebrities used to say 'I am not a role model' all the time - that always infuriated me because YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as an actor, artist, musician, etc., and now also influencers. I guess some just trying to say that they are not perfect and yes it's true: you are a human and as a fellow human being I know that none of us is perfect. However, if you choose a career where being a public persona is part of the job you cannot escape being expected to be held accountable and take responsibility for your words & actions.
what bothers me about this is that you did the same thing in your apology/ explanation video. its not that i don't agree with you, but you addressed it once and never talked about it again.
KrislonR i know she got in a scandal with a youtuber called angelika oles because they were supposed to collaborate but then Angelika was called out because of racist slurrs, transphobic behavior and microagressions againsg BIPOC and Hannah defended her as a friend. After being called out and being included in another scandal (which is honestly really stupid and not even noteworthy), Hannah apologized for defending Angelika and cleared everything out. While Hannah did the right thing in her video, I just think its a bit hipocrytical since she has not mentioned the scandal or her mistakes. I’m pretty sure the video is still in her channel, but here is a link with more details: centennialbeauty.com/smokey-glow-angelika-oles-what-happened/
You are the epitome of responsibility and accountability I want in my own life, and to do it as a RUclipsr and someone with a platform, you are incredibly admirable. Get it girl🙌🏻 May this year be great to you.
You are the only person on RUclips who I legitimately love watching because you are so authentic. You hold yourself to a higher standard and always strive to be the best ally and person you can be. You have handled every topic with such grace and knowledge, it’s admirable. Thank you for always creating content that helps people grow.
I liked the way you framed it in other videos where you describe it as less of an apology and more of a signpost that fans can point to to feel okay about still supporting them; I think that’s the central point of it, it’s not about resolving harm or becoming better, it’s about doing just enough to avoid the worst consequences.
I used to love Kathleen and Jaclyn, the situation and how they both handled the situation, have contributed to why I do not consume either of their content. In thinking about the situation, I don’t think I could “forgive” any apology from an adult using racial slurs.
It disgusts me that youtubers “apologize” by posting a video, and then when people are like yeah ok but we’re still holding you accountable, the RUclipsr gets mad. Genuinely mad. And it’s toxic because it complete shows they genuinely aren’t sorry.
I think the life cycle of an apology video comes from - 1) make mistake 2) wait and see what people think about it 3) take comments from critics and reword them to acknowledge you know what you did wrong and are ‘taking accountability’ 4) never mention it again and hope to carry on unaffected
I think the main reason is they feel a pressure to put an apology out immediately without properly understanding what they did and that’s what makes them bad
Also, sometimes RUclipsrs just sound like they don't know what they're apologizing for, or will purposefully apologize about smaller things or avoid certain words to minimize the situation. Love your videos, and even though your eyes are covered by your glasses and the glare, I can see the eyeshadow and I love how it looks on you.
My problem with Jeffree is that he acts like he’s above the drama and that he’s actually changed. If he were to actually embrace the fact that he thrives off of drama and make a brand out of it, I’d respect it a little. Doesn’t make him a decent person by any means, but it’s better than being fake as hell in my opinion.
Awesome video!! I want to stretch it out a little and say, when dealing with people’s mistakes, we have to remember they are not perfect. They are doing the best they can. If we expect perfection, they will fail us. If we expect growth and change, we might get it. But it might take longer than you like. Some people do not want to grow, we have to accept that and let them go. I think having compassion for other people during such a weird time in our lives is necessary right now. NOT saying the behavior is acceptable, but remembering it might not be intentional.
@@kittygurl5002 oh 100% it’s become a “safe” word for influencers to use because they’d rather say stuff that they’re audience wants to hear rather than actually apologizing
I think you hit the nail on the head there with so many of these apologies being about damage control rather than genuine sorrow for the people these youtubers have hurt :( Also i think a discussion needs to be had about how general hate and trolling contributes to these creators messing up so badly when they get called out. I can imagine that if you constantly receive hate comments it could be easy (but not right) to perceive genuine criticism as just more hate, and therefore not handle it properly
just being honest, i'm somebody that can get suckered into an apology video; but, i'm very aware that i do this. i always take time to formulate an opinion offline and never post my own comment. your videos actually help me a lot because they articulate how i feel. i think a big factor is how people love being superfans of people. it's fun to love something, so i don't want to knock on their interests. but i think it gets problematic when we become uber obsessed with people, celebs, politicians, etc. that we think they can do no wrong.
Truly enjoyed this video and 100% agree with your thoughts. A lot of the bigger ones (in my opinion) only apologize so they don’t lose everything from one bad decision they made. But what’s done in the dark comes to the light. So these are things they most likely have been doing for years and just got caught by someone on camera and had to say they were “sorry”.
I'm reiterating your point and sorry if somebody has already mentioned it, but it sucks that for some influencers, apology videos are just marketing tools
I need to start another audible account just so I can use your code. I am now obsessed with listening to authors from the UK, kind of in the romantic comedy chic lit category. Helps so much with my depression to get my mind absorbed into a book instead of focusing on my negative thoughts without having to sit down and pick up a book and read. I can listen when I work, clean, etc. anyways that’s my audible rant. 😂
Well thought out. (And I am so loving your hair today. Sleek! ) You are such a force of nature. I'm old enough yo be your mom, and honestly, you always make me feel so proud.
I believe it's because they either don't care, don't want to put the work in to grow as a human being or they have lost their authenticity. It's a shame because I love it when people grow and learn and you are NEVER too old to do it💕💕💕
Kathleen actually did apologize years ago on her instagram story. I remember watching it. There was also a hurricane happening in Florida so she was also mentioning how she felt scared. People felt she was deflecting the issue by mentioning the hurricane.
Yes I remember!!!
I remember her doing the IG story apology but I don't get why these people feel the need to use stories that disappear in 24 hours to apologize for things that are serious. Just makes it feel like they don't care about whatever they're "apologizing" for
I was about to comment this. I also remember people defending her with the whole “there’s a hurricane happening that’s more important than some drama” like people can worry about more than one thing at the same time
@@GarliccDread she put it on her highlights though. But I agree. Should have posted it on RUclips but she probably doesn't want to risk alienating any subscribers that don't know what happened.
I was looking to see if anyone else remembered this too or if I was crazy!! I def remember her apologizing then too
I misheard "today's candle" as "today's scandal" and for a second that didn't sound wrong
Same! 😂
This comment made me laugh out LOUD 😂
I did too!
Omggg, me too! Hahaha 😂
Perfect name for an actual candle!! Hanna needs to trademark it and use it for her own line...haha 🕯 👌 do a variance too
Today' (s) candle ..
Yesterday' (s) candle..
Influencer (s) candle ..
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Five Words: They don’t think they’re wrong.
I think you're right 😱 I bet you that's like page one of how to be a problematic youtuber: "don't EVER think you're wrong" 😂
Preach 👏🏻
This should be the pinned comment
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It's really this simple
I’ve personally decided that racist behavior cannot be solved by a “sorry” anymore 🤷🏾♀️ thinking another person isn’t human and doesn’t deserve rights isn’t a life phase.
@missmartha_
99% of people over the age of 15 know how bad “one word” is the level that they care varies wildly. The level that you care shows your lack of character or education. But like I said most people already know it’s bad so it’s safe to assume that they’re a bad person if they use the word. Just because you don’t care about millions of people telling you the impact of the word doesn’t make it less impactful. I think that’s what people fail to understand.
@@lateberry why does it matter that black people are using the word? presuming you aren’t black, why can you not take it as fact that a majority of black people do not want you to ever utter that word and doing so contributes to their dehumanisation, and therefore discrimination and, in a very real sense, perpetuates the trend of hate crimes leading to our deaths. it’s very simple. if you don’t care about how badly the word affects black people, that’s literally a sign that you don’t care for black people and their lives. i’m black and if I went the rest of my life never saying that word it would affect my life a grand total of 0%. so the fascination with it for other racial groups baffles me and is the equivalent of an immature child at someone else’s birthday party crying over not being able to open a gift. except it contributes to the literal systemic oppression and murder of a whole ethnic minority.
even in the most simple, human terms, i just want you to consider the fact that i as a black person detest it when that word is used by non black people and it deeply hurts me. in the same way you wouldn’t call your friend a mean name if you knew they would be hurt by it, I would deeply hope that any stranger could respect me even on a basic level by refraining from using a slur with one of the darkest histories of human suffering, especially since it neither hinders nor affects your life at all.
@@lateberry Legally no it's not a thing to ban other people from saying a word, but there are plenty of racial slurs in other countries that people face major scrutiny for if said. The usage of the word by the people it's being used against isn't the same thing as everyone throwing it around willy nilly. I also don't know why that's hard for people to wrap their heads around. For example, you might call your friends bitches or yourself a bitch as a joke or to parody the meaning which I guess is also kind of a joke. However, you wouldn't call your grandma that word. People also don't make jokes about having cancer when they've never gone through that disease. They know it would be offensive, insensitive, etc. Yet, those same people get so entitled about the N-Word it's baffling. This isn't the first time your "freedom of speech" is being challenged just don't say it, it's not difficult.
@@lateberry Again most people are educated about slavery, racism, and words from those eras. The normalization of white people saying the N-word doesn't come from watching black people say it it's from watching white people say it. Just like learning about war doesn't make people violent, but the glamorization and laissez-faire attitude could.
Yes we are all human but our lives and experiences are all different. Black and white Americans don't live in the same America. You can't think of it as a random group of people being able to do one thing and another random group doing the same. We're taught too often to be color blind when that effectively erases history and important social contexts, and creates problems like these. So what a bunch of black people are saying it, you can't, end of story.
@@lateberry I personally think if someone has said the word years ago and has clearly changed as a person they don't deserve to be cancelled. However, if they have an awful racist past like Jafar Starburst or Shame Dustbin then yes that cannot be fixed
People tend to forget that an apology is not for you, the apology is for the people that you hurt with your actions/words and it's up to them to accept it, and even when they have accepted it they still need time to heal. That's why the majority of youtuber apologies suck, they start with "I am sorry... but..." and they proceed to make excuses, they do it to save their behinds and not because they really care. As someone said, they are sorry that they got caught, not because they hurt someone.
coming at this from a different angle: isn’t it weird for hannah to be criticizing an apology that wasn’t meant for her? she’s saying it’s insufficient which really isn’t her place either. i think what happens is she gets woke points for calling it out but in that way we are selectively applying logic. i’ve seen at least 1 black creator share a very different opinion about kathleen than the one shared here so..... that’s worth recognizing.
What people like Jeffree Star do is name a lipstick shade “Problematic” so that if one ever googled the words “Jeffre Star Problematic”, the thing that comes up is that lipstick and not the bad behavior and scandals. This is a known thing that a lot of brands have done. I’m sure there’s a term for it.
I think this is giving Jeffrey way too much credit. I think he found the term amusing and thought that the flashy lipstick names would give him some controversy, and thus more sales
I've heard it be called Google scrubbing but it is a common PR tactic honestly.
@@Kayla_P99 Yes!
Yes, Boris Johnson did this by saying he has a hobby painting busses (like the model toys) so it will supress his NHS bus scandal.
@@PanicattheDiscourse same thing with him saying something like "I have been on model behaviour" or something. Now when you google Boris Johnson model that will come up instead of his scandal with shagging and being misogynistic towards models
I truly like Kathleen but I’m so tired of people using “being drunk” as a excuse for bad behavior. I’ve been drunk and never said racial slurs. If people say that with a camera on, what do they say with the camera off? Very disappointed
Exactly. Being drunk doesn’t change who you are, it just makes it harder to hide it.
couldn't agree more.
Right? I've made some poor choices while drunk but nooope. (Side note for Rosie: Ambien never made me racist. It just made me forget that I made and ate three mug brownies the night before...😂)
@@Zelda_Kitty she made apologized right after it happened and said she was sloppy drunk.
Exactly. I've been blackout, wet the hotel bed, almost get hospitalized drunk at a wedding. The worst I did was cry while looking at a cute guy because he was so cute and text my ex that I wish we got married (luckily he thought it was funny). I didn’t use slurs because they’re not in my vocabulary and never have been
They're so bad because they put them out like they're contractually obligated, rather than morally responsible. Thanks for putting out such great content! ✨❤️
And when they scream at us like we did something wrong??? Tana.
I rolled my eyes so far into my head when I saw Ja'confederate Star AGAIN on the trending page.
Ja’confederate star 🤣🤣💀
these jeffree nicknames get more creative every time
@@whatthehellisthis seriously I live for the Jeffery nicknames because it’s hilarious and awesome to see how creative people are! 😂
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honestly, i feel more and more that we “accept” apologies when it’s people that we like more than others. because honestly we can’t know what is on other people’s hearts so we can only guess that they are truly sorry and regret their actions
That’s a really really good point
@@sa-mi1un It’s also a thing that kids then go through a phase (some of them clearly never grow out of it) where when they learn about “sorry” they run around hitting people saying they’re sorry and then an adult has to explain to them that another option is just NOT hitting people to begin with and the kids usually respond with “oh. I didn’t think of that”
I also think a big problem we as audience members have gotten used to repeating is accepting apologies from influencers when it wasn’t an apology for us in the first place. Like how many of us white people will see an Influencer apologize for using a racial slur and then some of us will be like “you know what? You seem genuinely sorry so it’s ok I forgive you” and then I have to step back and scold myself and be like “uh uh honey that apology wasn’t for YOU so stop accepting apologies on behalf of the people that were really hurt like minorities”
@@theducksass5614 so true, definitely have seen children displaying this behavior!
@@Bridenbrad exaaaaaaactly... i’m obviously white and i remember when that happened and i was a teenager i thought well, she has never showed any type of micro aggressions before, i don’t think she’s really racist so i’ll continue following her. i totally forgot about it until her stories the other day. i still don’t know where i stand because i’ve never seen her being racist other than this incident and actually have seen her trying to be more and more inclusive so i genuinely don’t know now
She may have “apologized” but was literally making excuses in the same breath. Also, her brother’s response is enough to make me side eye both of them. I’m a Black woman and in the nail community. There are way too many other Black owned brands to support.
Where did you see her brothers response so I can go look too please
What did her brother say?
As people have mentioned in the comments, Kathleen did apologize when this originally happened. It was not well received, but it did occur. Just think this is worth highlighting for accuracy.
In my family we have a saying, “sorry doesn’t fix it.” We taught our kids that anyone can say sorry and not mean it, but what are you going to do to fix the thing you did wrong? At this point, I think apology videos just bring creators more attention and views and they’re not actually sorry at all. 🤷🏻♀️
Love that you did this! Saying sorry is great but you have to show growth in character that you did improve which is why it’s hard for me to accept apologies sometimes like it’s been too soon?
To quote someone far more intelligent than myself, "The best apology is changed behavior." In other words, the best way to show that you regret actions that hurt others is to avoid the hurtful behavior, learn from it, and do better. Take actions to show growth.
We always say you might as well say sorry to the sun 😂 it’s true tho
My grandma used to always say this, and while I agree with the sentiment, when I was just a young kid who was genuinely sorry I made honest mistakes, it sucked having her always reply with "sorry isn't good enough". This is a different situation where sorry really isn't enough for what Kathleen did and said, she needs to change her behaviour. Bu
I also feel as though influencers view “cancelling” as an attack, when it’s really just their fans trying to hold them accountable. I think if they approached the situation with the mindset of “these people support me, I should try and be better”, apologies wouldn’t be so trash
100%
I agree, but I can see how in Kathleen's case it would be slightly frustrating for her to have apologized back when it happened and then have it brought back out every few years by people who seem to really want to ''cancel'' someone.
@@Katealana her apology was not well received which is the reason why she had to readress it. That's her own fault.
Another problem with many of these apologies is they frame themselves as a victim or sympathetic character instead of a willing agent in their mistake. The centring on their feelings about the situation rather than their actions and the people they hurt reinforces that they are doing this less out of regret and more out of covering their butt.
reasons why Jenna legitimately had the best apology video
1. she showed videos of what she did
2. she explained why she did it and didn't see it as wrong at the time
3. she did it unprompted, there was no drama, there weren't really any call outs, she saw some people upset by her past behavior and addressed it
4. shes obviously shown major growth since she made those videos
And she left the internet! While that was really sad and I miss her content a lot... she knew it was time for her to move on and just go live her life and enjoy it without being a public figure anymore. Shane honestly could’ve done something similar and then left the platform AND other platforms and yeah we’d still be like ew you’re gross because what he has done is... just so much worse but at least it would’ve been the most graceful and respectful way he could’ve handled it. I hope Jenna is doing well and is enjoying life❤️ I wish we had more genuine people like her on YT.
yesss exactly she explained how her views have changed since then, she didn't just say "this happened, sorry about it" she clearly understood how it hurt people and didn't make excuses for herself
The literal only nitpick I had with her video is that she said "Im sorry IF I hurt you."
I just dont like that phrase because it feels deflecting, just say "Im sorry that I hurt you."
Besides that, I still love Jenna and watch her videos even if shes gone
Eliza I think I wanted to believe she meant that as in if you were one of the ones that mentioned it bothered you. I agree though, that has always bothered me too!
“Moving on from all the money spent on candles..” was me this whole year with online shopping
Kathleen did apologize years back, but she never made a RUclips video. The criticism is that she didn't bring awareness to her largest platform and the nail community was boycotting until she made a better apology.
aww that soft lavender (?) black cardigan looks so cute!
I want it!
That’s 100% my style! I want that cardigan so badly haha
@@nicolekatmi me too 😭😭
I have sweater FOMO !!
Does anyone know where it's from?
MalibuDollFace made a great video when this happened. It really spoke more to the relationship between Latinx and Black communities, and how a lot of latinx youth feel justified in saying the N word because they live life in such close proximity to blackness and have never been checked on it until they reach adulthood. Also, let’s be honest, if Jacklyn Hill was a more genuine person, this would have NEVER been public knowledge. All JH had to do (AS AN ALLY) was check her privately and not post the clip. Villa nixing Kathleen 4 years later is just unnecessary and does nothing for her Black supports imo 🤷🏾♀️
I remember she disappeared bc her area was hit with a bad hurricane and she evacuated with her family I watched her IG stories during that time and she apologized but it was also done poorly
Girl. Your hair straightened is so beautiful (not that it isn’t gorgeous normally)
It's so healthy looking and bouncy! I'd honestly love an entire video about her favourite hair products and stylings tools
@@JulesKM YES!! Just a hair video would be soooo good. Hannah’s hair is hair goals for me
I agree! It’s so silky looking
Omg so true I love a good sleek straight look
I didn't notice her hair isn't usually straight???
That’s the big thing, the big influencers are so entitled that they feel “entitled” to our forgiveness.
So do their followers, so if you don’t accept it, they automatically say “well they apologised so you are being unreasonable”
I actually followed Kathleen on twitter at the time this happened and I remember seeing tweets (which I assume have since been deleted) of her trying to kind of justify her use of the word Bc she was “angry” and it’s a “slang term” she hears a lot. I was disappointed Bc I was subscribed to her and the first video back after she didn’t address anything and then all the comments were people being like “awww poor girl you can really tell she’s upset over this” Bc she was low energy. She seemed more scared than upset IMO. Honestly it feels part of the price of being a black person on the internet is that at some point ur non-black faves will disappoint u by being racist!
Exactly! Very scared because she knew she was caught.
Yes! I remember this too! It was so defensive and trying to downplay it because of a cultural thing? It was so strange. She also confirmed (if i remember correctly) that she uses that word regularly in life because of those tweets because lots of people were pointing out that for her to have dropped it so casually it would have to exist in her regular lexicon. Her tweets backed that up imo.
That last point is why I try not to get too attached to creators. Too many of them turned out to have racist tendencies and so many people outside of the black community like to ignore it and keep these people on the platform.
I'd love to see your take on the mess that is the Unnatural Vegan vs D'Angelo Wallace vs That Vegan Teacher situation 😂
Seconded. Yesterday she put out a video basically showing everybody that she’s not just defending a racist, she IS a racist.
@@bucca2 she's also pretty homophobic too. I used to like her content but YIKES GIRL
Oh no, what happened? I used to watch her for a while, I really liked her T_T
@@Ikine557 I used to watch her too, she called out vegans who were peddling really dangerous ideas and debunking a lot of misconceptions about veganism. But then during the BLM movement she basically said it wasn’t important. Then recently she made a video about how capitalism was compatible with veganism, despite the fact that farm animals are treated poorly as a result of capitalism. And for the current situation, not only is she going to bat for The Vegan Teacher, like I said, in the video she published yesterday, she said that because she’s white and has a philosophy degree, she has an equal say on racism, and that PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY RACISM ARE EMOTIONALLY COMPROMISED AND THUS MEANS THEIR OPINIONS ARE BIASED. Uh, yeah, miss White Liberal, because their lives are at stake!
Also. She thinks that it’s racist to say her opinions on racism aren’t as valid as a black person’s. So.
I stopped watching UV when she said she didn't support the BLM movement and then double downed when ppl gave her the benefit of the doubt. So this situation doesn't surprise me.
Omg thank you for talking about “cancel culture” becoming a political slogan! Republican senators are using it as a way to not take accountability for the capitol raid and it has been killing me!😂
ee its SO CRINGE
@@mariahm6059 YES so cringy
Next phase is people saying it in court when they're up for a long sentence lol
In my opinion “cancel culture” has always been political. People online can be harassed, threatened or “canceled” for any reason-but (barring unique situations like the woman who hit her dog in camera) it’s racists, homophobes, etc who get labeled “victims” of cancel culture and have people come to their defense. Sooner or later people need to realize “cancel culture” is just “pc culture” with a different hat on. It’s not about growth and change it’s about protecting certain bigots from consequences.
I generally agree with your points but I wonder if, like in the case with Kathleen lights, just bc they don’t put their apology on their biggest platform that it doesn’t mean that they havent grown. Kathleen has worked to put the light on makeup and products created by POC, and there have not been any incidents (as far as I am aware) of her saying things like that. And while I do agree we need to be critical of people’s apologies, I don’t think having a lackluster apology for a previous mistake / previous bad action in the past should completely discredit the progress they may have already made. And just bc an apology is good doesn’t mean that it will mean a lot if they haven’t changed or if they have been disrespectful to people behind the scenes or in their content. Basically I think their should be balance somewhat of their actions overall and their apology.
I’m always amazed at how one group accepts an “apology” meant for another. She shouldn’t have said it and her delay in addressing it is telling, immature, and shows the level of disrespect she has for the Black community.
so i’m in the nail community and that’s where I saw the movement for kathleen to apologize and a lot of black people were upset at how she handled the situation and how she didn’t address it on her youtube and then she did address it with that ig story but people were still asking for it on youtube specifically. I even posted a story and she saw my posts and there were lots of other posts too that i’m sure she saw as well. but yeah it’s not my apology to accept but I still think she should address it on youtube
Yeah, @_nerdmeetsbeauty had a whole series on this either last week or the week before. Wish apologies were done on influencer's main social.
But Kathleen did apologize at the time. She tweeted, posted an Instagram post w text apologizing (edit: it’s still up I just checked) and she went on her stories and mentioned it. I remember watching it. You keep saying she never addressed it at the time those years ago, but she did. The issue wasn’t that she didn’t apologize at all...it was that she didn’t apologize WELL. I do remember seeing that many of her black followers and supporters felt it was not a genuine/good enough apology at the time and as I am not black it was not my apology to accept, so I took their lead and understood the desire for her to expand on that apology. But she never did. Until this week. I do agree she should put an apology up on her RUclips channel. This summer would have been a good time for her to make a video about the subject, I think it would have been received well. Not sure this IG apology will go down as being well received.
Yeah I think Hannah didn’t do her research on this one
@@GabbyJibblit Yea, this seems to have happen a few times recently. She really needs to more of her due diligence before posting such critical opinions. I still like Hannah though, but she really needs to be a bit more careful with her "research".
She never apologized on RUclips, the biggest platform for her. So no. She didn’t apologize.
She did acknowledge that it was briefly addressed. She’s critiquing the lack of a formal RUclips apology that everyone could see
I also don’t think her nail polish brand has anything to do with it. She had KL Polish back then too that reflected on her image just as much as Lights Lacquer does today
I feel like when some RUclipsrs say accountable they more mean 'i want to look like I care but I don't really but I don't want to face any consequences'
I agree -- saying "I did x and I take full accountability" literally means nothing. Stating the facts of their behavior doesn't make up for anything, and doesn't show they've learned anything from their fuck up.
Unpopular opinion:
I’d rather have an influencer not say anything at all about a scandal than force them to make a half assed apology that’ll get ridiculed anyway. Biggest RUclipsr example is Tana.
She basically was forced to apologize by Twitter/management etc with the micro-aggression scandal, but she clearly didn’t give a single fuck about it.
Her not addressing the issue shows how she truly feels, which IMO, is way better than her being fake woke about the situation and her actions.
I really love Kathleen & feel like she is sincere. However, I even commented on a recent photo saying that although her apology can be appreciated, her not posting it on a main platform was severely disappointing and made it seem less genuine. I don’t think she did it to save her business, but I do believe that she is scared of the backlash she would (rightfully) get if she put it on a bigger platform. So even though I think she’s genuine, I don’t think it’s enough and I think it was a mistake to not put it on a more public platform. I hope she changes this mistake because I do love her & want to support her but also want her to really own what she did.
I thought the same. The fact that she only posted it on her Instagram stories was weird
It's not your apology to accept/approve of. It's up to the Black community to decide.
@@fawn2911 sorry if it came off like I was saying that. I totally understand that the apology is not mine to accept. I know that her actions hurt black people, and knowing that that has not been mended & from what I’ve seen she has not been forgiven because her apologies have fallen flat - I don’t want to support her. Even if she did make a new apology and “fix” (in my words) it, I would still wait to see and hear what the group she affected said.
Can we talk about Jaclyn actually posting the snap though? I feel like that was either some low key sabotage or she was just as tone deaf as KL
Yeah, especially since JH was laughing. If she wanted to sabotage her, she looked just as bad for laughing and showing the word meant nothing to her
Who cares ? Kathleen still said it. I don’t see why the focus should be on Jaclyn.
@@cynthiaisako because in the video you can clearly hear Danny, KL’s husband, saying “Don’t post that”. Also Kathleen was drunk and prolly didn’t know she was being recorded. (she had the VR set on)
Not defending KL, but if “my friend” posted a video of me doing something inappropriate to their millions of followers , knowingly or unknowingly, is a shady move.
@@daniellagarcia8115 I don’t care about the messenger because thanks to her, we were made aware of it.
@@cynthiaisako lol well I just explained it to you, and if you don't care, well that's on you 😂
And btw you trust the messanger... JACLYN HILL lmaoooo
i feel like there is such a catch 22 sometimes because if you screw up and you genuinely try to be better and change and you post about the ways youre doing that, people still say "oh youre only doing this to make yourself look better." what do you think is a way to do that and genuinely make changes, but still show that you are doing so? not to get applause to but to say "hey look im really trying. i want to be better"
Personally I think a video that apologizes by saying what you did wrong, why it is wrong and what is your plan to better yourself would be helpful. Don’t say anything about why you did it or any justification about it being ok. The apology is supposed to be 100% about the party hurt and you do your best to provide closure so they can move on. If that means they leave or walk away completely then that is what they need to do. It cannot be about purposely showing change. It has to be people noticing that on their own. It is all about time.
I remember the Kathleenlights thing. It's the reason I stopped watching her. I remember her brother attacking people in comments and Kathleen deflecting on her insta story. I also remember no one showed any real anger at Kathleen everyone attacked Jaclyn saying she was jealous and trying to ruin Kathleen's career bc Kathleen's husband told her not to post the sc and she posted it anyway. I remember Kathleen being like sorry I know I'm not supposed to say that but its something I've grown up saying im songs and what not and it pissed me off enough to completely stop following her everywhere after being a
Stan for years lol.
something to consider about the "white fragility" book is that a white woman is monetizing information she learned from black women and that black women are also still saying (and writing books about) and it may be better to give your money directly to black women and reading their own personal words on their own oppression, just food for thought
I'm not sure that we can really determine if they are sorry for their actions or only sorry they got caught. I'm certain some youtubers have apologized just because they "had" to in order to save face. But I also think people are capable of learning and growing. Is the only way to learn from something by making a widely well-received public apology? If the viewers' reactions to the person's apology is what determines if they are truly sorry, then is the apology really reflective of true remorse and growth? I'd argue it's possible to reflect and be truly sorry/do better without. I don't think we could determine that though. Ultimately only they will ever know I guess.
I agree-I mean, look at Laura lee. Her apology was terrible, but she has grown so much and has stayed out of drama since then.
I agree with you also. & I correlate it to the LauraLee situation as well. I don’t think a person HAS to apologize to be sorry. I care more about their growth since. & I agree, most of the RUclipsrs that have successfully come back from their “cancelation” probably weren’t sorry when it happened or when they were forced to apologize but has since shown growth & actually done the work to be better.
i wish certain youtubers did this. most of the time they only have to apologize because A) there legal team said to or B) it’s ruining their image. the only apology i accepted was jenna marbles only because i didn’t know about her past videos and her apology is actually sincere and she didn’t add “i was in a dark place”
I feel like everything I felt after finding out from D'Angelo's video how Dr. Mike apologized on his second channel that has significantly less subscribers, you have just put all of those feelings into words. 💖
She did apologize when it happened,and right after a huge hurricane forced her to evacuate her house,she didn't had the time immediately to make a RUclips video. That's why she's letting the apologies videos in a highlight this time(back then highlights didn't exist) all happened to fast,the scandal,the hurricane and the after math of the hurricane, yes sure weeks after she could address it but she didn't and i kinda understand. Also i do think she felt and feels bad about it.
She apologized with caveats. Which isn't an apology. She said she didn't say it with a hard R. She denied being racist in the initial "apology." it isn't just about saying the words "I'm sorry;" it's also about knowing what you did and giving yourself no excuses. If you say, "There's no excuse for what I did" and then mention that you were drunk as a cop-out, that's not genuine.
@@emilymatheson1854 Exactly, the reality is that the word was clearly part of her regular vocabulary
Not your apology to accept. You're not Black.
Well, she could have made a video after but she didn’t. She’s only “apologizing” now again because it’s hurting her business.
Hannah you absolutely glowing in this video. I find all RUclips apology videos cringey because half the time you damn well know they don't believe what they are preaching to us about it. They'll never think they have done anything wrong about it.
here’s my question id like to pose- what, if anything, could Kathleen have said on this topic to fix anything? Since four years ago when the video came out, she’s stayed unproblematic and overall has not repeated the same mistake. I AGREE that it’s wrong what she said but I think sometimes those of us who are calling people out do too much and play into the stereotype of cancel culture, not allowing someone to live down a video from YEARS ago even tho the behavior has not continued. Hot take but I respect your opinion if you disagree with me.
Idk I guess I just feel the topic of this video was great but I don’t know if Kathleen is the right subject specifically
@SimplyRad right? And I get that maybe it’s like you should donate and stuff but then people also call that performative activism. I’m not a believer in cancel culture being a bad thing, I just think that the masses often DO want to see people fall because it’s simply entertaining which is sad. This is a human and she should get a chance to grow, which I believe she has
I 100% agree. I love Hannah but I’m actually incredibly irritated that she highlighted Kathleen of all people.
I agree. By continuing to bring someone down from something that happened years ago, we stop people wanting to grow as human beings.
I don’t disagree that they should apologise to the people they may have affected by their actions or speech, but I think their actions since this time matter.
So in the instance of Kathleen, she has been consistently promoting POC businesses and supporting the BLM movement.
Whereas Jeffree Star’s actions are consistently poor to everyone around him and even people he personally DMs, e.g. telling a brand owner they hope they get shot in the face with a rubber bullet.
@@kelcilewis she's all about the views and dropping KL will get her those clicks. I also feel she's go this complex of moral superiority like she's some authority we all turn to for this type of drama.
What people don't understand that a "good" apology doesn't fix something but a bad apology makes it worse. She had a bad apology where she never said "I'm sorry for being racist" she did what everyone else did and say "I'm sorry for what I said I did it for xyz reason but that was incorrect." I for one am over "I'm sorry for offending people or hurting your feelings" apologiea just say point blank you fucked up and apologize. Then once the first step is done keep doing work to fix the problem.
it’s important to note that although kathleen didn’t address this on youtube, she did on instagram in a public post and on her highlights all those years ago. not saying it was a good apology or that we should all instantly forgive her, but you can’t say that she didn’t address it. also, kathleen is a very nervous and apologetic person on her channel, so i have a hard time believing that she wasn’t sorry at all. it’s harder that we’d like to think to admit to doing something so wrong, especially when you’re nervous to speak on the internet as it is. she’s changed a lot in the last few years (people who watch her can tell) and i’m tempted to believe that she has a really hard time thinking about what happened.
I understand Kathleen made a huge mistake and she hurt countless people. I’m sure she’d used that word flippantly many times before then (as a Latina in south Florida, I hear that word said too often, and it’s disgraceful) But I have a feeling that she’s learned her lesson since then. She apologized at the time, it may not have been a good apology, but she did address it. And she’s worked hard to stay in her lane and grow as a person. When is it enough? I genuinely want to understand what it takes so that people stop burning someone like her at the stake, but are so quick to forgive JS. Yes she made mistakes and the black community owes her NOTHING for what she did. But if she hasn’t made that mistake since and has shown growth, when do we just leave her alone and go on our merry way?
It is a thing with Hispanics that say the N word! It’s bad but so many Hispanics say it, that’s where we’re wrong. I get why she said it, I’ve even said it before because the type of community I was around always said it, things changed a lot now, I get how that word shouldn’t be said by Hispanicss
I didn’t even read the title before I clicked.
random nit (linguists / English degree holders, please lmk if this is wrong) - isn't it semantically void to say "I take accountability"? Does that even actually mean anything? Doesn't one "take responsibility" for something, and other people are the ones who *hold* them accountable? Am I wrong?
I’m so glad someone else finally said this. It’s been driving me crazy lol
THIS
Honestly Hannah I have to disagree on some points here. Maybe I’m more cynical but I do think that in many cases the majority of people are rooting for youtubers to make bad apologies. We can only speak for ourselves but I think you have to be very optimistic to assume that people want to see growth and maturity. I think there is now this culture of enjoying the downfall of prominent people and love the show of someone going down
Totally agree. Especially now with covid and people not having much else to focus on
Yes! Thank you for talking about accountability. Apologizing doesn't mean you're being held accountable. To me, accountability isn't something you "take," you can take responsibility, but you can't take accountability. Accountability is a *willingness* to accept responsibility, it doesn't mean you *do* accept responsibility. To me, accountability is *outwardly*, responsibility is *inwardly*. And I'd argue that for RUclipsrs, celebrities, even your best friend, they don't get to decide when they've been held accountable because then, accountability becomes a checkbox, a destination, and not ongoing repentance and growth. The conversation around what really is accountability is something you should do a video on!!!
she did apologize on several platforms at the time. i do not condone her actions and the apology is not for me so i cannot not speak on it nor accept it on people's behalf, but she also did it when hurricane irma hit miami. i'm pretty sure she was even being evacuated at the same time.
I read this somewhere and thought I'd share "For a RUclipsr, just like everything else they sell you, apologies are just products". Yikes.
Genuinely mean this as a compliment- I love the way you open your videos saying "Hi how are you?" In such a sweet inviting tone and stuff. It reminds me of walking into like a kindergarten or preschool class where the teacher greets the students in that like loving gentle way.
When a RUclipsr posts their apology on a different platform they don't want all their fans to know.
I don't use Snapchat or Instagram, and I rarely used twitter. I appreciate you discussing what content creators are doing on those platforms, because I would never know otherwise.
So I was confused because I remember Kathleen posting a video years ago after it happened. And then I just watched her insta stories now, and she made it seem like she never filmed a video talking about it. But what I think happened is that she posted a video and she tried to justify her saying that word by saying that she didn’t call anyone that word she just said it. Anyways, if anyone else was confused I think that’s what happened
I thought she made a video too... maybe it was only Jaclyn addressing it? idk i’ll try to look. Either way her saying it is not okay.
@@graceenright8685 oh yeah, I agree, it’s definitely not okay.
Okay, so I went back and did some research and there are some videos on the topic. Rich Lux has one (I only mention this bc he includes her Instagram stories apology from 3 yrs ago). Other notable videos are ruclips.net/video/8Uki48kcaCI/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/u_v4QmvANcw/видео.html
So she did make an apology on her Instagram just not on RUclips. The debate in the videos is whether she meant the word in a malicious way or not.
Omg I feel like we're having a Mandela moment, I remember her doing a video. Or maybe it was a note pad apology.
She never did a video. She wrote an Instagram statement. It was something like, I'm not addressing the people who it's not their place to accept it, as most of Kathleen's fan base are latin and forgave her right away. And they came for Jaclyn with the snake emoji's. And I believe Jaclyn never heard her say it which was why she posted it. She specifically said, I was laughing like a hyena and didn't hear it. Which we all know Jaclyn does have a loud, obnoxious laugh. The situation ruined their planned collab which sucked bc we were all looking forward to it. Kathleen used the term like the black community uses it. I don't believe she meant any harm, although it's inappropriate from anyone including the black community. They need to stop using the word period.
the topic of youtuber apologies is *so* interesting to me! last semester i finished a senior thesis in communication paper comparing shane dawson’s and jenna marbles’s apology videos, and it was really eye-opening to research the way that youtubers’ “brands” react during scandals. most of an “influencer’s” job is creating a brand out of themselves, but there has to be a level of sincerity that audiences can see. in most apologies, the youtuber is more swept up in saying what they should have done differently rather than proving that they’ll do it differently in the future. this video really hits the nail on its head!! 💛
Does anyone else remember when Manny tried to make that Shane style comeback documentary about him being canceled?????
😂 yes! I’m surprised it’s never talked about?! Like he literally tried getting sympathy with this project and then cancelled it after one episode because of the backlash
I’m in agreement with you. Most people are sorry for themselves and want the issue to go away, rather than feeling bad for others and working to earn back trust. It’s really troubling that so many prominent you tubers lack basic human empathy.
I believe that KL does not fit in the same category as the rest you mentioned 🤷♀️
I agree, she's the only one who isn't a repeat offender and seems like a pretty genuine person. I do think the apology was done poorly though but tbh I wouldn't have known how to address it either since it happened so long ago
I can understand that. I more just felt it was a good example of something recent that hit on my points but I agree she’s not on the same level as someone like Shane or Tana.
I agree, I don’t think Kathleen is on the same level at all as to Shane, J* and others. I think that you should have said that in this video. I remember the hurricane and her apology. I don’t think the apology was great but I don’t know what anyone would do or how they would act if they were having to evacuate their home either. I felt she was and is a genuine person.
@@ChaosCuriosity not your apology to accept. You're not Black
@@fawn2911 I don’t think she was accepting her apology, she was just giving her opinion about how her mistake and persona is compared to the other youtubers
Thank you for posting this!!! I am so glad that you mentioned the fact that just saying sorry is not enough. Regardless of whether it’s an influencer or your best friend, ‘sorry’ is just a word, your actions are what is important. It’s easy to lie with your words, but your actions will show your true intentions.
I remember seeing Kathleens apology, maybe even two apologies (one for insta one for RUclips I think) but I can’t remember where those have gone. I remember seeing it and it wasn’t good either
Okay I remember seeing one too! I'm glad I'm not crazy. And I remember her being like "I never talk like that I don't even know why I said that!" Do you remember it being like that?
I remember seeing it on Snapchat too
@@audreytheginger yes that’s what I was remembering it as! It’s been so long tho. I’m sure it’s online somewhere
I have so much respect for you and how you perceive and relay your take on internet people and issues. It’s very refreshing
I just watched her insta apology and to me, it felt sincere. I guess I’m not sure what she should have done differently (aside from doing better three years ago, which she admitted.)? Is there something that she should have done differently now? Or is it just that she did the apology on Instagram instead of RUclips? Genuinely curious.
I personally think that she made the apology thru insta because it was the more personal platform thru her viewers. Coz whenever I see her IG stories she talks about more personal things than youtube. Atlhough youtube is a much bugger platform but she chose IG for that more personal touch. I sincerely think she's not the bad of a person, she continue to make videos regardless if there's lesser viewers.
My kids and I are so sick right now. Rewatching the entire drama video playlist is the only thing keeping me sane
If you’re mad, she’s talking about you
Healthy reminder when burning a candle make sure to have a well ventilated room as scented candles can actually cause respiratory issues if used on a frequent basis
To make it worse, not all the people in that “Let’s give Shane a hug” thread, were teens. Some were adults in their mid-twenties.
I’m auditioning for music school and in between audition takes when I’m very stressed, I relax by watching your videos. I’ve watched your entire Channel over the last two weeks and they’re all so good and well thought out!!
Greta Thunberg and Malala Yousafzai should be the “influencers”
Recently found your channel...watching most youtuber/influencer vids and it really is so easy to just listen to whilst I'm doing dishes of something 👏🏼😂
I actually don’t agree on the fact that Kathleen saying the n word was forgotten, it came up every single time she was mentioned on the BeautyGuruChatter subreddit. I mean yeah, reddit is not that big in the beauty community but still, the subreddit has 250.000 members and her views are definitely down from a couple of years ago. I’m not completely sure that it’s just because of that, her content feels dated and kinda boring sometimes, but I definitely think that that has contributed
So when I heard about the incident I wasn’t even watching Kathleen, but in my mind I said “oh I won’t watch her”. And now, years later, I would see her things pop up and I was like “huh Why don’t I watch her?.. i feel like she did something problematic... I’ll just stay away because I must have a reason for feeling this way”
Kudos to past me for cementing that into my brain
I feel like it wasn't forgotten necessarily but definitely sidelined in support of her nail polish brand(s) before this came up again. Like I would see a lot of nail instagrammers or youtubers being able to use/mention her brand without kathleen's scandal or lackluster apology being discussed in the comments. Now that the conversation has come up again there is pushback against public support of her brand again (but again I don't follow the conversations on reddit as much as insta)
Your last point made me think of when celebrities used to say 'I am not a role model' all the time - that always infuriated me because YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as an actor, artist, musician, etc., and now also influencers. I guess some just trying to say that they are not perfect and yes it's true: you are a human and as a fellow human being I know that none of us is perfect. However, if you choose a career where being a public persona is part of the job you cannot escape being expected to be held accountable and take responsibility for your words & actions.
what bothers me about this is that you did the same thing in your apology/ explanation video. its not that i don't agree with you, but you addressed it once and never talked about it again.
Oof, I'm a new sub-- if you don't mind, can you tell me, what did Hannah apologize for/ timeline so I can find it?
KrislonR i know she got in a scandal with a youtuber called angelika oles because they were supposed to collaborate but then Angelika was called out because of racist slurrs, transphobic behavior and microagressions againsg BIPOC and Hannah defended her as a friend. After being called out and being included in another scandal (which is honestly really stupid and not even noteworthy), Hannah apologized for defending Angelika and cleared everything out. While Hannah did the right thing in her video, I just think its a bit hipocrytical since she has not mentioned the scandal or her mistakes. I’m pretty sure the video is still in her channel, but here is a link with more details: centennialbeauty.com/smokey-glow-angelika-oles-what-happened/
She actually addressed it several times tho...
She adressed it a lot of times, in RUclips and Twitter!?
Omaën Akonien my point is that once she addressed she never talked about it again, so I think its kind of hypocritical. Or maybe she has, idk.
You are the epitome of responsibility and accountability I want in my own life, and to do it as a RUclipsr and someone with a platform, you are incredibly admirable. Get it girl🙌🏻 May this year be great to you.
Ok you’re looking more and more flawless with each new video! GLOWING!! 😍
Settling in to watch another great video! 🖤
You are the only person on RUclips who I legitimately love watching because you are so authentic. You hold yourself to a higher standard and always strive to be the best ally and person you can be. You have handled every topic with such grace and knowledge, it’s admirable. Thank you for always creating content that helps people grow.
How has it been a month and I still expect glowmas music...... 😅😅😅
I still play it in my brain and dance to it..
Same!
JINGLE BE- oh wait it’s not December anymore..
It took me a while to remember it as December and we weren’t getting a video a day 🤣😂
I liked the way you framed it in other videos where you describe it as less of an apology and more of a signpost that fans can point to to feel okay about still supporting them; I think that’s the central point of it, it’s not about resolving harm or becoming better, it’s about doing just enough to avoid the worst consequences.
I used to love Kathleen and Jaclyn, the situation and how they both handled the situation, have contributed to why I do not consume either of their content. In thinking about the situation, I don’t think I could “forgive” any apology from an adult using racial slurs.
It disgusts me that youtubers “apologize” by posting a video, and then when people are like yeah ok but we’re still holding you accountable, the RUclipsr gets mad. Genuinely mad. And it’s toxic because it complete shows they genuinely aren’t sorry.
The hair, the shirt, the makeup. I'm loving all of it!
Totally agree, honestly, people are often more forgiving if they show sincerity
I hate how these people are turning “accountability” into a buzzword 🙃
I think the life cycle of an apology video comes from - 1) make mistake 2) wait and see what people think about it 3) take comments from critics and reword them to acknowledge you know what you did wrong and are ‘taking accountability’ 4) never mention it again and hope to carry on unaffected
I think the main reason is they feel a pressure to put an apology out immediately without properly understanding what they did and that’s what makes them bad
Also, sometimes RUclipsrs just sound like they don't know what they're apologizing for, or will purposefully apologize about smaller things or avoid certain words to minimize the situation.
Love your videos, and even though your eyes are covered by your glasses and the glare, I can see the eyeshadow and I love how it looks on you.
My problem with Jeffree is that he acts like he’s above the drama and that he’s actually changed. If he were to actually embrace the fact that he thrives off of drama and make a brand out of it, I’d respect it a little. Doesn’t make him a decent person by any means, but it’s better than being fake as hell in my opinion.
Awesome video!! I want to stretch it out a little and say, when dealing with people’s mistakes, we have to remember they are not perfect. They are doing the best they can. If we expect perfection, they will fail us. If we expect growth and change, we might get it. But it might take longer than you like. Some people do not want to grow, we have to accept that and let them go. I think having compassion for other people during such a weird time in our lives is necessary right now. NOT saying the behavior is acceptable, but remembering it might not be intentional.
I agree with you about influencers using the word accountability it has made me hate that word.
“Accountability” has definitely become a buzzword and it means absolutely nothing anymore 🙄
@@kittygurl5002 oh 100% it’s become a “safe” word for influencers to use because they’d rather say stuff that they’re audience wants to hear rather than actually apologizing
I think you hit the nail on the head there with so many of these apologies being about damage control rather than genuine sorrow for the people these youtubers have hurt :(
Also i think a discussion needs to be had about how general hate and trolling contributes to these creators messing up so badly when they get called out. I can imagine that if you constantly receive hate comments it could be easy (but not right) to perceive genuine criticism as just more hate, and therefore not handle it properly
I think between the drama, the apologies, and the lawsuits, we're seeing all the issues that come with monetizing your personality.
just being honest, i'm somebody that can get suckered into an apology video; but, i'm very aware that i do this. i always take time to formulate an opinion offline and never post my own comment. your videos actually help me a lot because they articulate how i feel. i think a big factor is how people love being superfans of people. it's fun to love something, so i don't want to knock on their interests. but i think it gets problematic when we become uber obsessed with people, celebs, politicians, etc. that we think they can do no wrong.
i love the "mom, I am a rich man" poster in the background
Truly enjoyed this video and 100% agree with your thoughts. A lot of the bigger ones (in my opinion) only apologize so they don’t lose everything from one bad decision they made. But what’s done in the dark comes to the light. So these are things they most likely have been doing for years and just got caught by someone on camera and had to say they were “sorry”.
I have had a horrible day and NEEDED some Hannah content thank u
I'm reiterating your point and sorry if somebody has already mentioned it, but it sucks that for some influencers, apology videos are just marketing tools
I need to start another audible account just so I can use your code. I am now obsessed with listening to authors from the UK, kind of in the romantic comedy chic lit category. Helps so much with my depression to get my mind absorbed into a book instead of focusing on my negative thoughts without having to sit down and pick up a book and read. I can listen when I work, clean, etc. anyways that’s my audible rant. 😂
Well thought out. (And I am so loving your hair today. Sleek! ) You are such a force of nature. I'm old enough yo be your mom, and honestly, you always make me feel so proud.
If I see RUclipsr in the title I know Hannah's gonna pop off
I believe it's because they either don't care, don't want to put the work in to grow as a human being or they have lost their authenticity. It's a shame because I love it when people grow and learn and you are NEVER too old to do it💕💕💕