Watch for a future video on Captain TJs channel. He is the captain of the Manitoulin. He indicated that he would capture some video of transferring the taconite to his ship. That'll be interesting to watch.
Thanks to "Bustling", I was able to get some good photos of these ships. All are among my favorites. Thanks for this video Wes; never knew the story of this.
Great video! My cousin served on the Senneville in the late 1970's and throughout the 1980's. I got to visit aboard once. It's great to photos of her in that colorful livery again! These days, we still visit the Welland Canal at least monthly and we always seem to catch the Tadoussac! I wondered why and how Tadoussac received those 'Chipmunk Cheeks' as my GF calls them. Love the pilot house forward classics! Thanks Wes!
I remember a piece of wood on my buddies farm, on it painted "tung hooker" ( a prop for the tongue of the wagon for the pto block) just finished "great lakes shipwrecks and survivals" crazy what these boats go through, mods and otherwise
The John d Leitch is in port in owen sound in winter layup as we speak. I thought it looked weird. Sadly many ships that come here get scrapped shortly after it seems
I never heard of that until now so this was a very helpful tutorial. I always learn something new from your channel. Thanks for sharing this information.
Keep it up. I found and dove an unknown forgotten wreck off the soo locks it’s a 19th century schooner . Bout a 100 and 30 feet long . I’m currently doing my own research based on tips in your videos
I saw the Tadoussac on the saginaw river around 2003 and saw the bustles on the ship and had no idea what they were called or used for. Thank you for answering a question that I have had for over 20 years.
I seemed to miss it -- did the bustle add storage capacity to the ship, or just additional buoyancy that allowed them to place more material elsewhere on the ship
Would this be considered a refit type thing? Would it end up needing new coast guard approvial along with new stability calculations? Curious how this would effect boyancy and the rolling of the vessel.
Thank you I was just asking about that in one of the videos someone posted a few months back. He informed me what they were. It’s definitely fascinating. Looks strange but definitely makes them unique 😊
What was the extra space used for on the Three Brothers? It seems like there were two hulls with dead space in between. And what is it used for on the newer boats? Also, apparently all the boats that were bustled are Canadian. What would be the relevance of that?
I would love it if Wes would weigh in here, because he knows more than I do, but I believe the idea was not to give the ship extra cargo space in cubic footage, but that the additional cubic footage of the bustle adds to buoyancy, and therefore allows the ship to carry greater weight. Is that it, Wes? I have two questions. How much additional weight can those four ships carry, and how long would it take before the additional cargo capacity would pay for the $20 million bustling?
I have a Question: How does River/Lake Traffic work in the Great Lakes Region, and what are the rules for Commercial Vessels like LakeBoats/Salties, and Public vessels like smaller speed boats, and other recreational vessels?
@@authorwes, Thanks. Anyways, I was wondering if you could ever make a Video about StemWinders and/or Rabbit Boats. I remember you mentioning it in your video on the History of Great Lake Ship Design Evolution, and I have been curious about such vessels.
An excellent and educational video, Wes! On another note, I’ve been watching videos of lakers (and salties) at Duluth. I have noticed than very few have the same style, even among those of similar length or age. Do you know why? I think it would be an interesting video.
I recall watching Tadoussac coming into StelCo at the Canadian Soo in 1986 and she had such a classic, handsome Laker silhouette. It’s my own view, and I understand profitability, but I don’t think she looks good since widening.
Maritime history is fascinating. Around that time, women, instead of getting a "bbl," Brazilian Butt Lift, they added um, volume to their rear and by wearing "bustles," a large padded thing they wore under skirts. Interesting how the word has similar meaning...🤔
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I truely enjoy your videos. Thank you so much.
Glad you like them!
I never knew this. Thank you so very much for this great information.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for making these informative videos. I see these boats all the time in the canal and it's great to know so much about their history
Glad you like them!
Keep it up Wes, we always enjoy your videos!
Will do!
Wonderful and informative video. I live for this material. Best from Newfoundland.
Many thanks!- best from down in the states
Watch for a future video on Captain TJs channel. He is the captain of the Manitoulin. He indicated that he would capture some video of transferring the taconite to his ship. That'll be interesting to watch.
Thanks to "Bustling", I was able to get some good photos of these ships. All are among my favorites. Thanks for this video Wes; never knew the story of this.
Cool! I wondered myself how long these would have lasted without the bustling
Weren't "bustles" also an article of Victorian women's underclothing that also expanded the "beam" of the wearer?
Yes, indeed. And it also led to the phrase, when something was outdated, “I thought that went out with the bustle.
Correct
@@authorwes Now you’re cooking with gas!
You’re going like 60!
Great little video, and glad to see the Leitch/Century featured. My grandfather was her Chief Engineer in the early 80's
Very cool. "The captain gives the orders, but it's the chief's boat."
Thank you, Wes. I didn't know about that procedure.
Glad to help
Great video! My cousin served on the Senneville in the late 1970's and throughout the 1980's. I got to visit aboard once. It's great to photos of her in that colorful livery again!
These days, we still visit the Welland Canal at least monthly and we always seem to catch the Tadoussac! I wondered why and how Tadoussac received those 'Chipmunk Cheeks' as my GF calls them. Love the pilot house forward classics! Thanks Wes!
My pleasure!
Thanks for the history lesson about the freighters! Amazing
That's my job!
Great video, Wes! Thanks for educating some of us entry level boat nerds! Love the research efforts put into these, btw.
Glad you like them!
I remember a piece of wood on my buddies farm, on it painted "tung hooker" ( a prop for the tongue of the wagon for the pto block) just finished "great lakes shipwrecks and survivals" crazy what these boats go through, mods and otherwise
The John d Leitch is in port in owen sound in winter layup as we speak. I thought it looked weird. Sadly many ships that come here get scrapped shortly after it seems
I never heard of that until now so this was a very helpful tutorial. I always learn something new from your channel. Thanks for sharing this information.
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video! Informative, great camera work, and best of all no robo-voice! Thanks, subbed.
Thanks for the sub! Robo voices make me nuts!!
Very interesting Wes! Great video, I really enjoyed it. I had no idea that this was first done so early, in the 1880's. Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it
Keep it up. I found and dove an unknown forgotten wreck off the soo locks it’s a 19th century schooner . Bout a 100 and 30 feet long . I’m currently doing my own research based on tips in your videos
Cool!
I learned a new term today.Thanks, Wes!
Excellent!
I saw the Tadoussac on the saginaw river around 2003 and saw the bustles on the ship and had no idea what they were called or used for.
Thank you for answering a question that I have had for over 20 years.
That's my job! Thanks for watching.
Great information Wes. Thanks for your efforts.
My pleasure!
Great Video, Never knw about this Procedure in the Past or Present. thanks for the Information.....
Thanks for watching!
I discovered a Very useful tool for looking up different Lake Freighters: The Historical Collections of the Great Lakes.
Very cool!
I seemed to miss it -- did the bustle add storage capacity to the ship, or just additional buoyancy that allowed them to place more material elsewhere on the ship
The second one
Would this be considered a refit type thing? Would it end up needing new coast guard approvial along with new stability calculations? Curious how this would effect boyancy and the rolling of the vessel.
Great question- I'll need to look that one up.
And all along, I thought they were torpedo blisters! j/k, great video sir, thank you.
Close!
Thank you I was just asking about that in one of the videos someone posted a few months back. He informed me what they were. It’s definitely fascinating. Looks strange but definitely makes them unique 😊
Glad I could help
Interesting. Thanks !
You are welcome!
What was the extra space used for on the Three Brothers? It seems like there were two hulls with dead space in between. And what is it used for on the newer boats? Also, apparently all the boats that were bustled are Canadian. What would be the relevance of that?
I would love it if Wes would weigh in here, because he knows more than I do, but I believe the idea was not to give the ship extra cargo space in cubic footage, but that the additional cubic footage of the bustle adds to buoyancy, and therefore allows the ship to carry greater weight. Is that it, Wes?
I have two questions. How much additional weight can those four ships carry, and how long would it take before the additional cargo capacity would pay for the $20 million bustling?
@@johnsrabe My impression is the same, that it was for extra buoyancy. So what was that dead space used for?
@@robertmcmanus636 Just air.
@@johnsrabe And you're throwing this out there from your base of knowledge...?
Correct- in the case of Three Brothers, he extra cargo was deck cargo- stack more lumber higher = more board-feet carried
Regarding the last four of the "bustled" boats you describe in the video do you know how much the cargo carrying capacity was increased?
I have a Question: How does River/Lake Traffic work in the Great Lakes Region, and what are the rules for Commercial Vessels like LakeBoats/Salties, and Public vessels like smaller speed boats, and other recreational vessels?
rules are basically the same on both salt water and fresh water.
@@authorwes, Thanks. Anyways, I was wondering if you could ever make a Video about StemWinders and/or Rabbit Boats. I remember you mentioning it in your video on the History of Great Lake Ship Design Evolution, and I have been curious about such vessels.
An excellent and educational video, Wes!
On another note, I’ve been watching videos of lakers (and salties) at Duluth. I have noticed than very few have the same style, even among those of similar length or age. Do you know why? I think it would be an interesting video.
Vessel design has been following economics and mission needs over the pas two decades far more than in earlier years
Would the term be accurate for battleships with added torpedo blisters?
Not sure... I'm not a battleship expert.
No
I recall watching Tadoussac coming into StelCo at the Canadian Soo in 1986 and she had such a classic, handsome Laker silhouette. It’s my own view, and I understand profitability, but I don’t think she looks good since widening.
I have actually wondered that.
Happy to help.
Maritime history is fascinating. Around that time, women, instead of getting a "bbl," Brazilian Butt Lift, they added um, volume to their rear and by wearing "bustles," a large padded thing they wore under skirts. Interesting how the word has similar meaning...🤔
That may be where it originated
looks a bit like ballast tanks on a submarine , I don't think it detracts from her looks >
When they first came out, some boatnerds were really un impressed by the looks.
Business is bustling!
I wish.
Must be really for torpedo defense….
"I don't think so Tim"
No more comments? Michipecoten a ww ll boat ? ie ship !
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@@authorwes 🤷♂️ don’t recall ubber bad comments but it’s your channel , but ya them idiots always been a part of YT 😢
✌️🤙 BTW thanks for the reply
Torpedo blisters.
Not quite... but WWII saw plenty of those on vessels.