I have a TruFire Smoke. It was chewing through D-loops, so what I did was lap the jaws using a thick, round shoelace impregnated with lapping compound. Smoothed the rough edges real fast, and then blasted the grit out with some spray lube, and wiped up the excess. Runs flawlessly.
I have the smoke extreme and same issue and it's well documented to be a d loop eater. I like it but there is a lot of travel that I had to learn to ignore.
Best thing you can do is not actuate the trigger like a gun. Instead, shorten up the shank and get your finger wrapped around the trigger and fire it with back tension as you've described. Good video! Scott's buckle is pretty hard to beat. I run a Carter Quickie 1 Plus on mine as it is very fast to load.
I've been using index releases since 1993. Double-jar Gator, the Answer- magnetic driven sear system, Carter quickie, Carter Quickie plus etc. I have determined that nearly all stem or barrel designed ones make the shooter adapt to whatever lengths are in the barrel. 99.9 % have any index set where they are using improperly the tips of their index finger. The releases wth the strap to the head are infinitely adjustable to fit your hand. The finger should hook deeply over the trigger and stay rigid (NO MOVEMENT) as one pulls through the shot. Pulling can be with the arm and shoulder muscles but it is way better to use your back muscles. They are larger more powerful giving better easier control while pulling. Love this video. He is giving some awesome info especially for beginners.
Great explanation of the trigger types. I have a Scott Ghost NCS on order. I prefer that over the threaded shank for fine tuning the position of the trigger
I have only used the Cabela's Index Style Release Aide that was about $35, but from what many avid archers say that a quality release can make all the difference in the world. I have seen most of the one's you mentioned at my local Cabela's, the hook style of index has always stood out to me even though I have never tried one. I know some hunters like the thumb release style, but my luck I would lose it. Thanks for such an in depth overview of these type releases.
I have always used the dual. But one point to consider for an older guy in low light, the inability to see the D Loop in prime time. So it might benefit the visually challenged, aka old guys, to use the clip on. It will allow us to go by feel rather than sight. Great point. Thank you.
One of the best decisions I ever made in regards to releases was buying the Carter Like Mike. Its expensive but has no travel in the trigger, is pressure activated, allows you to wrap your finger around the trigger and pull through the shot. $179 but it has cured my target panic and gives me a pure surprise shot.
I would suggest that those people who have target panic and still want to use these is to set the length shorter, detach your target face and blank bale at a target without having to worry about hitting something. It might be worth it to get a more expensive index style release aid like the Spot Hog wise guy or any other release that you can adjust 1. Trigger travel (removes anticipation) and 2. Trigger tension (forces you to use more back tension to activate the release instead of just using the tip of your index finger because it won't work (at least won't work as well). When in doubt, trigger travel is going to help someone more with target panic because it removes anticipation of the shot. If you know you're pulling the trigger and it's not going off, you're anticipating the shot and need to either think of something else like execution or you can physically reduce the trigger travel to help. Typically if you want both adjust ability, and you're ordering from a shop online or getting it in person, typically plan on spending about 90-100 usd. you might even need to spend a little more. I got the TruBall Assassin XT and that can adjust trigger travel, but not tension for about 70 bucks. Hope this helps you all with target panic!
Loved my Scott Little Goose releases until I sold them to people on-the-spot who tried them, too, and loved them. Now, I have the Little Goose 2 for use on my hunting bows. I use a button or hinge release for target.
You should try triggering with the middle finger you will find it allows for better clearance and better anchor. You don't have to crank the wrist joint to get you index finger on the trigger.
👍 Nice presentation Jack as usual. I used to have 2 of your Tru Balls •• 2nd demo .. Shot many 🦌 deer with it . I was always into timing as opposed to travel . Had to execute quickly with deer movement. Ever notice the longer you had to hold ,,it became a thought process of when to execute the shot and you could never let down . I’m now shooting my crossbow and thank you. I have to find a way to reduce my trigger pull . It feels 3 # which is too much .
Nice explanation! I like the B3 Hawk so much, I sold my thumb and purchased a second Hawk... as a backup! The Hawk can be set with an very short travel + high tension!
Great video. A lot of good info on things to look for and think about. I was able to try a couple different releases before landing on B3 Claw. It’s an open design, which I was surprised I like. Reasonable price point.
AJ- Have you shot the Carter Lucky before? Sounds similar to the Ghost except the Lucky head is on a small webbing strap for any adjustability of length. I just tuck it into my cuff or the release strap itself when I want it out of the way. You can remove magnets for a lighter pull but there is absolutely no travel and it breaks like glass when it goes off.
Of course you know #truefire makes a very good and semi budget release that every bit of the release is adjustable and folds back....and buckle... a d swept back trigger...and self close with a dual caliber hook.....lol as you can tell I like my true fire and have shot Scott and true ball as well
If you like Scott, you should look at B3. They were started by the original employees Scott turned their back on when they sold. The quality is second to none.
I would love a video on thumb button releases too. What is the advantage to shooting a trigger style release vs a thumb button for hunting? I have pretty small hands and have a hard time getting my trigger style release back far enough on my finger. I’m considering trying a thumb button to help with a surprise release, but I’ve never shot one before and not sure my local shop will allow me to try one before purchasing.
I wished I would of had this video before I bought the Trufire Patriot. As like your wife, I had the same misery with it. It hindered my arrow loading as well, having to knock it out of the way. It is just to long and thick for us ladies in my opinion, especially if you have small hands. I also found that the strap was to thick as well and a buckle would of been better as you said. My coach recommended the Tru Ball Fang mini, but I was not able to get one. So I decided on the Fang 4 instead and it seems perfect. I did not like the idea of having a finger loose with having long nails, that's why I didn't go with the Fang 3. Hope this helps other ladies watching. I don't have a place where I can go and try them out, I would recommend this if you can and to watch a lot of videos on how to use it since it different than a strap.
👆 I use the trufire hardcore as well. I bought the 'max' version, with the extra padding in the wrist strap. Very comfortable. Also like that I can adjust the trigger tension and release point... I like the 'swooped' trigger too.. just a great overall release.
Btw.......can't help but point out that that really high end bow looks a little weird with that easy v sight on it instead of the badass sight you just got....lol
As far as hunting goes I don't see the advantage of other style releases. I am brand new to compound archery though and since I have spent the last 43 years rifle hunting the trigger is just natural. One less thing to adapt to. That being said, I do wish I could have spent more money on my release. I'm finding the adjustment is crucial
Hey, I am trying to choose a thumb button, I shot the two finger nock on. I am looking at the 3 finger or 4 finger two finger. What are the advantages of a 3 or 4 finger thumb button release. Haven't really found too much comparing this scenario
The industry as a whole is missing short shank releases. Sure there are web connect/infinitely adjustable releases but not much for solid shank. Skinny wrist people are at a real disadvantage.
The leather on commercial buckle straps are horrible constantly stretching having a custom strap made for carter like mike what’s your opinion on the leather quality of commercial buckle straps ?
im in the market for a new release, my scott mongoose is going on 16 years old now and has been awesome. with its age im wanting to move it to a back up release and cant decide on a new one. really looking hard at the b3 claw or the scott ghost.
Have you ever had any accidents with the hook only type release? Has it ever come off the dloop somehow when drawing back? I've never shot a hook style, but thinking about getting one. Just want to make sure its safe.
GREAT question. I too had the same reservations for MANY years, especially for a hunting situation. But then I realized that I shoot a hinge release, which is by far the most open style of hook release there is, without any hiccups. So once I gave that Scott Ghost a try I was hooked. For example, when I shot my doe a few weeks ago, I was covered in deer and couldn't afford extra movements. Without even looking, I grabbed my bow, hooked the dloop on using my thumb for feel, drew back, and let it rip. It wasn't until after I recovered the deer that I realized I had done the whole thing in the half-dark without ever once looking at my bow. That would never happen with my standard caliper release. So I'm definitely "hooked" for life!
Another great video. I have the scott echo release that I like alot and just bought the scott Jaws. I'm not sure yet if this will be my primary release or a back up yet. I just wish I could go a tad shorter and I think that's why I'm undecided. Is there any way to shorten the shaft on the Jaws more then what the shortest setting is? Maybe a dumb question but you never know
This what I have noticed as well (with the Jaws) and am disappointed that I cannot make it shorter and I can't seem to find a way to adjust the tension. I am thinking that I would have rather have purchased the Echo, or possibly the TRU X-Tension R/T.
Lol....I guess if I was sponsored by Scott I would shoot them but I get everything you mentioned you liked about the scott and a semi swept back trigger with the mid range true fire
Hunting: Scott Ghost. Love the open hook design for hunting and ease of loading the dloop. Target: Scott Ascent hinge. Super adjustable, very high quality, and put thousands of arrows through it a year so I definitely need both of those.
@@averagejackarchery Thank you for the advice I ran out and purchased a Scott Ghost and I am really impressed. Please keep up the videos and thank you.
All dual caliper style releases will eat the d-loop faster than the other releases that just have a hook or one jaw. Is yours dual caliper? If it is, just live with changing out D-loops more often or change to a release that just uses the one hook he mentioned
Yes I would like to learn more about thumb releases from you.
Me too
I've used thumb release for 4 years, borrowed my brothers wrist release and I'm done with the thumb release now.
would love to see thumb button.. as well as back tension releases if possible!
I have a TruFire Smoke. It was chewing through D-loops, so what I did was lap the jaws using a thick, round shoelace impregnated with lapping compound. Smoothed the rough edges real fast, and then blasted the grit out with some spray lube, and wiped up the excess. Runs flawlessly.
I have the smoke extreme and same issue and it's well documented to be a d loop eater.
I like it but there is a lot of travel that I had to learn to ignore.
@@JamesSmullins Agreed. I'm looking at upgrading over the winter, but I don't mind the mush in it since it feels much like the trigger on my .22.
Best thing you can do is not actuate the trigger like a gun. Instead, shorten up the shank and get your finger wrapped around the trigger and fire it with back tension as you've described. Good video! Scott's buckle is pretty hard to beat. I run a Carter Quickie 1 Plus on mine as it is very fast to load.
I've been using index releases since 1993. Double-jar Gator, the Answer- magnetic driven sear system, Carter quickie, Carter Quickie plus etc. I have determined that nearly all stem or barrel designed ones make the shooter adapt to whatever lengths are in the barrel. 99.9 % have any index set where they are using improperly the tips of their index finger. The releases wth the strap to the head are infinitely adjustable to fit your hand. The finger should hook deeply over the trigger and stay rigid (NO MOVEMENT) as one pulls through the shot. Pulling can be with the arm and shoulder muscles but it is way better to use your back muscles. They are larger more powerful giving better easier control while pulling. Love this video. He is giving some awesome info especially for beginners.
Great explanation of the trigger types. I have a Scott Ghost NCS on order. I prefer that over the threaded shank for fine tuning the position of the trigger
I have only used the Cabela's Index Style Release Aide that was about $35, but from what many avid archers say that a quality release can make all the difference in the world. I have seen most of the one's you mentioned at my local Cabela's, the hook style of index has always stood out to me even though I have never tried one. I know some hunters like the thumb release style, but my luck I would lose it. Thanks for such an in depth overview of these type releases.
Yes please,... I would like to learn more about hinges/ back tension release. Thanks.
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I have always used the dual. But one point to consider for an older guy in low light, the inability to see the D Loop in prime time. So it might benefit the visually challenged, aka old guys, to use the clip on. It will allow us to go by feel rather than sight. Great point. Thank you.
One of the best decisions I ever made in regards to releases was buying the Carter Like Mike. Its expensive but has no travel in the trigger, is pressure activated, allows you to wrap your finger around the trigger and pull through the shot. $179 but it has cured my target panic and gives me a pure surprise shot.
I would suggest that those people who have target panic and still want to use these is to set the length shorter, detach your target face and blank bale at a target without having to worry about hitting something. It might be worth it to get a more expensive index style release aid like the Spot Hog wise guy or any other release that you can adjust 1. Trigger travel (removes anticipation) and 2. Trigger tension (forces you to use more back tension to activate the release instead of just using the tip of your index finger because it won't work (at least won't work as well). When in doubt, trigger travel is going to help someone more with target panic because it removes anticipation of the shot. If you know you're pulling the trigger and it's not going off, you're anticipating the shot and need to either think of something else like execution or you can physically reduce the trigger travel to help. Typically if you want both adjust ability, and you're ordering from a shop online or getting it in person, typically plan on spending about 90-100 usd. you might even need to spend a little more. I got the TruBall Assassin XT and that can adjust trigger travel, but not tension for about 70 bucks. Hope this helps you all with target panic!
Loved my Scott Little Goose releases until I sold them to people on-the-spot who tried them, too, and loved them. Now, I have the Little Goose 2 for use on my hunting bows. I use a button or hinge release for target.
You should try triggering with the middle finger you will find it allows for better clearance and better anchor. You don't have to crank the wrist joint to get you index finger on the trigger.
I would love a video on hinges and thumb buttons
yes i would like to see reviews on the other type of releases, back tension style
This is a great video! You talk about all the things new archers dont think about with releases.
👍 Nice presentation Jack as usual. I used to have 2 of your Tru Balls •• 2nd demo .. Shot many 🦌 deer with it . I was always into timing as opposed to travel . Had to execute quickly with deer movement. Ever notice the longer you had to hold ,,it became a thought process of when to execute the shot and you could never let down . I’m now shooting my crossbow and thank you. I have to find a way to reduce my trigger pull . It feels 3 # which is too much .
Nice explanation! I like the B3 Hawk so much, I sold my thumb and purchased a second Hawk... as a backup! The Hawk can be set with an very short travel + high tension!
I love my B3 Claw. They are such an awesome company. I liked the hawk but didn’t need all the extra features.
I’ve got a couple video ideas. One would be an introduction to hinges. Another would be how to use target style sights, like the Ultraview sight.
Now I have been shooting for some time, I can relate to the backwall and the salp and the panick
I like the tru ball short n sweet for small hands shorter fingers ya can really get it adjusted short to really get finger over trigger
Great review! New to compound archery, so this was super helpful.
Try all try ball short n sweeter s2 nice feel to it short travel or trufire hardcore similar feel and can’t beat their leather wrist straps.
Great video. A lot of good info on things to look for and think about. I was able to try a couple different releases before landing on B3 Claw. It’s an open design, which I was surprised I like. Reasonable price point.
Ive got a true ball and it has never failed.
I like the TRU ball Beast 2
Bring on the thumbs! Interested in seeing if a Stan is really worth the $$. There hast to be good options at a lower price point!
Great content. Very informative. Keep up the great videos, and representing PA!
A tip for you and it would take some getting used to..A rubber band would hold the trigger swept back until the moment..P.S.•• I like your term HOTTER
I'm shooting with a blackout crave release.
Talk about a " hair trigger"! Must be set for about 1/4 oz lol
Very informative. I'm going to lose a few hours in the next few days looking at more of your content...
Yeah I'd like to learn more about hinge I'm just starting to learn
Would love to see a video on how to choose a hinge
Want to try a thumb release sometime so I would love to see a video on them
AJ-
Have you shot the Carter Lucky before? Sounds similar to the Ghost except the Lucky head is on a small webbing strap for any adjustability of length. I just tuck it into my cuff or the release strap itself when I want it out of the way. You can remove magnets for a lighter pull but there is absolutely no travel and it breaks like glass when it goes off.
Carter is not a common brand in my area, so no, they're the only major release manufacturer that I've never shot!
Really enjoying your videos. Very informative! Thankx
Of course you know #truefire makes a very good and semi budget release that every bit of the release is adjustable and folds back....and buckle... a d swept back trigger...and self close with a dual caliber hook.....lol as you can tell I like my true fire and have shot Scott and true ball as well
If you like Scott, you should look at B3. They were started by the original employees Scott turned their back on when they sold. The quality is second to none.
How do you like the strap on the b3 has it stretched on you ?
How have I never simply turned the damn release around when climbing... good golly...🧠💥
❤video keep up the work ethics
Were there release aids in this video? All I saw was that Elite Kure! Such a good looking bow.
LOL! She's a beaut!
Good points.
I would love a video on thumb button releases too. What is the advantage to shooting a trigger style release vs a thumb button for hunting? I have pretty small hands and have a hard time getting my trigger style release back far enough on my finger. I’m considering trying a thumb button to help with a surprise release, but I’ve never shot one before and not sure my local shop will allow me to try one before purchasing.
I wished I would of had this video before I bought the Trufire Patriot. As like your wife, I had the same misery with it. It hindered my arrow loading as well, having to knock it out of the way. It is just to long and thick for us ladies in my opinion, especially if you have small hands. I also found that the strap was to thick as well and a buckle would of been better as you said.
My coach recommended the Tru Ball Fang mini, but I was not able to get one. So I decided on the Fang 4 instead and it seems perfect. I did not like the idea of having a finger loose with having long nails, that's why I didn't go with the Fang 3. Hope this helps other ladies watching. I don't have a place where I can go and try them out, I would recommend this if you can and to watch a lot of videos on how to use it since it different than a strap.
Try the true fire smoke or the newer ver6of the smoke the Patriot is geared toward beginers
@@shadyp-zv3uf Thank you
True fire has every positive aspect of a good release as shown on the video but at a price point for average consumers
@@shadyp-zv3uf Thank you.
I still use the tru fire release
True fire hard core the best I have used
Tru fire hardcore hook release is the best index style release I've found.
👆 I use the trufire hardcore as well. I bought the 'max' version, with the extra padding in the wrist strap. Very comfortable. Also like that I can adjust the trigger tension and release point... I like the 'swooped' trigger too.. just a great overall release.
Btw.......can't help but point out that that really high end bow looks a little weird with that easy v sight on it instead of the badass sight you just got....lol
As far as hunting goes I don't see the advantage of other style releases. I am brand new to compound archery though and since I have spent the last 43 years rifle hunting the trigger is just natural. One less thing to adapt to. That being said, I do wish I could have spent more money on my release. I'm finding the adjustment is crucial
Yeah make more on the other styles of releases!
what about resistance style, like the carter or the stan, that has a safety on it when you draw back
I have never used a true back tension release. Scare the poop out of me. 😂
What is a seer? Or is it a sear??
Hey, I am trying to choose a thumb button, I shot the two finger nock on. I am looking at the 3 finger or 4 finger two finger. What are the advantages of a 3 or 4 finger thumb button release. Haven't really found too much comparing this scenario
All just hand comfort to accommodate different likes and dislikes. No advantages or disadvantages.
A thumb release video would be great.
The industry as a whole is missing short shank releases. Sure there are web connect/infinitely adjustable releases but not much for solid shank. Skinny wrist people are at a real disadvantage.
What about the Scott archery caliper grip release 4 finger?
Outside of Jeff Sturgis, I haven't seen someone use one of those since the 20th century...
The leather on commercial buckle straps are horrible constantly stretching having a custom strap made for carter like mike what’s your opinion on the leather quality of commercial buckle straps ?
I have put thousands and thousands of arrows on commercial straps without a single complaint.
I shoot the T R U ball release aid. I like a lot
with the half hook and half straight, would being left handed have any effect on the release?
Nope! All releases are ambidextrous in design.
Please yes! Thumbs and hinge releases!!!
im in the market for a new release, my scott mongoose is going on 16 years old now and has been awesome. with its age im wanting to move it to a back up release and cant decide on a new one. really looking hard at the b3 claw or the scott ghost.
I LOVE my Scott Ghost. Easiest loading release I've ever used.
Have you ever had any accidents with the hook only type release? Has it ever come off the dloop somehow when drawing back? I've never shot a hook style, but thinking about getting one. Just want to make sure its safe.
GREAT question. I too had the same reservations for MANY years, especially for a hunting situation. But then I realized that I shoot a hinge release, which is by far the most open style of hook release there is, without any hiccups. So once I gave that Scott Ghost a try I was hooked. For example, when I shot my doe a few weeks ago, I was covered in deer and couldn't afford extra movements. Without even looking, I grabbed my bow, hooked the dloop on using my thumb for feel, drew back, and let it rip.
It wasn't until after I recovered the deer that I realized I had done the whole thing in the half-dark without ever once looking at my bow. That would never happen with my standard caliper release. So I'm definitely "hooked" for life!
Another great video. I have the scott echo release that I like alot and just bought the scott Jaws. I'm not sure yet if this will be my primary release or a back up yet. I just wish I could go a tad shorter and I think that's why I'm undecided. Is there any way to shorten the shaft on the Jaws more then what the shortest setting is? Maybe a dumb question but you never know
Not that I've found other than the settings already on the shaft.
This what I have noticed as well (with the Jaws) and am disappointed that I cannot make it shorter and I can't seem to find a way to adjust the tension. I am thinking that I would have rather have purchased the Echo, or possibly the TRU X-Tension R/T.
Lol....I guess if I was sponsored by Scott I would shoot them but I get everything you mentioned you liked about the scott and a semi swept back trigger with the mid range true fire
I'm a beginner and would like to know what kind of release do you personally use? And why?
Hunting: Scott Ghost. Love the open hook design for hunting and ease of loading the dloop.
Target: Scott Ascent hinge. Super adjustable, very high quality, and put thousands of arrows through it a year so I definitely need both of those.
@@averagejackarchery Thank you for the advice I ran out and purchased a Scott Ghost and I am really impressed. Please keep up the videos and thank you.
Is that Scott ghost wrist release lefty friendly?
Yup! Easily flips between left and right handed. All Scott wrist releases are, actually!
... "there is a point, where it can go too deep, and you lose that sensitivity" .... 😅😂🤣😭
I don't like releases that don't self lock, specially for beginners. They are dangerous, basically dry fired my first bow
Spotted Hogg wise guy uses a magnet...awesome system but the but trigger is a straight trigger unfortunately like scott releases
Too late. He said, "shaft length" (@2:07-2:16).
... sorry, ... This is a very useful, and thorough tutorial, I just couldn't resist being a clown 🤡.
... one should ALWAYS consider whatever "shaft length", that how wife desires. 😶
I like my Scott’s little goose, but it’s eating up my d-loop.. time for a new release?
All dual caliper style releases will eat the d-loop faster than the other releases that just have a hook or one jaw. Is yours dual caliper? If it is, just live with changing out D-loops more often or change to a release that just uses the one hook he mentioned
Potentially! Definitely check for sharp edges or try different loop material too!
Average Jack Archery,
all of those releases are trash !!
try again with more premium caliper releases !!