Ukraine: its Donbass conflict | VPRO Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2019
- In Ukraine, in the region of Donbass there is an ongoing conflict. How did this conflict start and how are people in the Donbass area dealing with this conflict that tears apart families and entire villages? Is Ukraine a divided country where war will destroy regions like the Donbass? A documentary about Ukraine, the conflict in the Donbass region and the people that have to live with it.
For over a year, a dirty battle has been going on in 'the Donbass', an area rich with coal and industry in East Ukraine. More than six thousand people have been killed so far. Jelle talks to the Russian rebels at the front. What kind of people are they? He also visits the Donetsk opera, which has a show every day - war or no war.
In this eight-part travel series the Dutch journalist and author Jelle Brandt Corstius travels through Russia and visits the neighbor countries Latvia, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. What image do the Russians have of their neighbors and vice versa? What are the relations between the powerful Russia and the other former Soviet republics? And how do the countries around Russia treat their Russian inhabitants? A series about propaganda and identity.
On the Maidan, Kiev´s central square, in spring of 2014 the war started. Thousands of people demanded closer relations with Europe. After weeks of protests, the police intervened. One hundred people died. In Ukraine they are known as the Heavenly Hundred. President Yanukovych fled to Russia and the revolution started. And with the revolution came the war that would split the country in two. Dutch Journalist Corstius talks to people on the street and investigates the status quo and the way the population deals with the changes the country has gone through.
He visits the place in Odessa where on May 2 2014 46 pro-Russian activists died from suffocation in a former trade union building. They were under attack from pro-Ukrainian activists and a fire broke out. Until today it is not clear what caused it. This fire made many Russians leave for Ukraine to join the fight so that the war spread from Crimea to the entire eastern region of Ukraine.
Original title: Het wilde Oosten (7/8)
Director: Alexander Oey and Jelle Brandt Corstius
September 2015
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now i see ...the whole thing ... the whole world is watching THIS war but ignored the Civil War for almost 8 years .
Yeah. Observe also what the journalist summarized: Russia wish to destabilize Ukraine, and this war alike condition is much cheaper and conventient for Russia than to self occupy the area, or otherwise go into open war with Ukraine...
Russia gave weapons to the separatists
@@barneydenstad2148 Exactly! Destabilize the region. Cause war and strife for years. Weaken them. Then fully invade, as Russia has proven to do.
@@barneydenstad2148ut let's not forget Ukraine actually caused this
Most especially with the maidan and Odessa massacre
Most especially Odessa massacre
You don't show that kind of carnage to people and then try to sweep it under the carpet
Cus that was what the Ukrainian parliament did
They were over 100s of people that participated in that Odessa massacre and not one was punished
And then petroshenko was elected president and instead of calming hostilities
He actually worsened things
American media shows none of this, thank you for the reporting
its a Dutch media
They do actually it’s not main media. It’s been shown for 8 years and well documented. It was not important enough sadly and sadly too many other counties have N a z I. Problems.
It is not objective, it is shown mostly from one side, but atleast its unique. Its only up to individual how he would look on this problem.
These are cousins fighting… this documentary is better than anything you find on mainstream media… this should have 200 million views.
VPRO is mainstream media
A civil war, people who are new to democracy, claiming openness and practicing discrimination and oppression. The situation is an ethnic war, Russians and Ukrainians with strange orientations.
There are other documentaries like this from before the invasion. But now I'm not sure how much any of this matters anymore.
Hi folks, we are really sorry that the English subs are not available. We are busy fixing it! Keep u posted. Subs are fixed! 😃
Putin is evil.
Beste wel goed.
Als het niet gecompliceerd wordt, wordt het geen verhaal.
Goed geprobeerd.
John Bodnar
You are stupid.Putin is not a friend.He is the president of the Russian federation.Which mean,he will look at he interest of Russian people.Thats it.
Not good enough.
@@Johntb100 you're dumb
This needs to be shown on CNN urgently!
They had the documents before. It wasn’t main media but there is was and you can find them. But main media like cnn or fox, are all opinionated news. Fox is actually Categorized as entertainment not news by their business.
Yes, ages ago, however, it doesn't suit the pro war, pro military industrial complex narrative of CNN
They knew. They always knew.
I am Russian and my heart is for Donbass. Also thank you for making such a brilliant and amusing film. Now I know that not everything in the west abour Russia and Donbass is toxic propaganda and russophobia. Thank you.
Just 99%... It took me an hour to go through a list of videos to find one that isn't russophobic! And you will not find anything in the mainstream media I am afraid. If anyone shows just a tiny understanding for Russian actions in live commentary, the broadcasting media changes the interviewee immediately to someone strongly anti-russian. Western censorship at its finest!
@@katerock5495 They call it 'democracy'
The west is not afraid of Russia except for Russian nuclear capability. The West doesn't hate the Russian people. It is the Kremlin and Putin that we hate. The world shouldn't live in fear of an ex-KGB agent turned politician. A guy that says he's liberating Ukraine from Nazis when he actively propped up Nazi groups in east Germany to destabilize the west when he was a spy there. Everyone knows this. Putin has no loyalty. He is for himself.
@@michaelb247 I have only one reason to support one side - it is my side. Thats it. I am Russian and I am with Russia forever.
Anyone with their own mind knows USA is the Biggest War monger on the planet !
Russia has a Right to it's Own security concerns just as the West but sadly what is going on here is just another Proxy US WAR
AGAINST RUSSIA !
And there is No need for it NATO USA are strong enough and the White Ukrainian Supremacists are going to have to learn to live with their Neighbors or bring it on themselves !
Amazing documentary! This aged very well and its really GREAT to hear both sides of the story. Cheers from Argentina.
this is the same tactic CIA used in Syria and Libya, once the people start protesting, send in US Paid mercinaries snipers to kill few protesters, that should emotionally charged the crowd and radicalise them ... to make it look like the government is killing its own people... it will soon happen to Qatar, Saudi, UAE e.t.c ... they are not ripe enough to be invaded yet, CIA often starts every coup with "demonization" calling the leader a "dictator" once the world has believed it, then it will be easy to say US is going to save the people of the country from a dictator... boom! invasion
It's beginning to sound like a lot of propoganda from WW2 now from both sides
Aged well? Hope that's sarcasm. Putin doesn't want Ukraine....Russia has no intention of occupying this region. Yeah, that sure aged well!
There was a referendum in both cities, international observers were there, with a slide majority to be independent of Ukraine.
The international community should one, investigate the genocide of Russian speaking Ukrainians and two, the recognition of the Donbas area as independent.
Ukraine should keep, at least, neutral - out of NATO manipulation.
The cities what about the rest of the area and the people who don't want independence the actual Ukrainians not the Russians Russia sent in
@@db4517 now Georgia experience an influx of Russian people, very strangely. Today they love hachapuri, tomorrow they would live Georgia as part of Russia (actually long before tomorrow).
@@XAE_A_Xii that's Russias plan for recreating the ussr send Russians in create separatist movements commit war crimes and then when the other country does the same blame them for everything and then annex the region or invade
@@db4517 look at the history of north east Europe, even Crimea, in the past was part of the Soviet Union, and now is back to Russia because of a referendum with a massive slide to leave Ukraine neo-nazi government, backed up by NATO and its allies. Ukraine retaliated to Crimea by cutting off the main water supply!
Most of Ukrainians speak Russian, and the Ukrainian government had prohibit to speak Russian. This is like if Switzerland government prohibit French. Or Belgium prohibit French. Or Mauritius prohibit French.
@@evolvingtarotnataliafortun7141 they were part of the ussr because Russian made them be also the reverendum was most likely a sham also Ukrainians don't want to be part of Russia why else would they fight so hard you idiot stop acting like you know anything when you have the same amount of intelligence and same size brain as a gold fish
Great video, showing points of view from both sides
Interesting to hear from the people caught up in this hope you all stay safe
One of the few clips that tries to understand why this conflict has happened. Although there are many missing pieces (especially America's involvement) its good to hear from the citizens not just CNN's ideology and hatred.
Interviewing a bunch of pro Russians and making disparaging comments about Ukrainian law enforcement does not a complete history make.
Fair to tell this side of the story. But they left out so much context around what happened in Maidan, Odesa, etc. that I’m not confident in this reporting at all.
@@flyinggoat2581 what exactly are you referring to?
Also, they interviewed both sides but of course they’re going to encounter mostly pro Russians when they are in that specific region. The reporter was also pretty good at questioning their ideas.
They can't talk about the coup here in the USA because of the people that funded it. Nobody wants to connect the dots. An example would be Hunter Biden being installed in burisma shortly after the coup and a vist from his dad who was vice president at the time.
So why don’t you be so kind as to explain this American involvement. Putin uses America like a dog whistle to keep his people in line from what I see. Please show me otherwise
@@flyinggoat2581 Yeah, he left out-the American-backed coup on Maidan & the dreadful EU deal that Yanukovich could not accept, and that created even greater poverty and corruption once it was accepted. He also failed to mention the language laws, the American-appointed gov't, and so forth. Thank god he made this, but it's still pro-West.
This is much more informative than the Netflix documentary.
Netflix, like most western media, only produces content that will reinforce the news's narrative. This conflict is much more complex than most people paint it.
Was the last group ethnic Ukrainian? Not really sure. If only ethnic Russians' voice is heard, well, then this is dangerously close to propaganda.
I am from Donetsk. Thank you!
please explain, how it's all started? did Ukrainians mistreat russians from the start, because I can't believe this. I believe it's all a spectacle created by Kreml. I am from Georgia and we had very similiar situation but instead of Russians, Kreml always supported Abkhazians and South Ossetians against Georgians, when in fact, Georgia doesn't want to lose own historical lands and is not happy when its own people are being expelled from own homes.
@@XAE_A_Xii It's sad to hear that. Wish you the best.
Well, you gave me the task :)
Honestly, I'm not the best person to talk about the situation. I myself ignored events for 8 years, even though I was on the battlefield, and was not interested in politics until recently.
If you still want to hear something from me, an ordinary resident who was lucky only to sleep to the sound of gunshots and explosions, without even personally experiencing them in his house, then I will say very briefly, avoiding terrible details:
In 2014, Ukraine wanted to join NATO. Donetsk and Lugansk were against it, wanting to find support in Russia and start with an independent existence. As a result, a war and endless clashes began. One can argue about the stupidity of actions, the senselessness of this enmity, but for many years of cruelty on the part of Ukraine (the previous president said that "your children will hide in basements", and the current one called us "creatures", not people), people only want the end. Russia provides this (and of course, this is not out of the kindness of the soul ... it's all politics ...) and, apparently, does it without unnecessary victims of the population of Ukraine, which I am glad about. Causes of Russia? Lots of options, but everything is connected to the west. This war has been predicted for a long time, and recently Ukraine has often spoken about the creation of atomic weapon. Russia had a choice - to bow to the West and accept the disintegration of the country in the future, or to show that it was ready for swift and aggressive action. I understood it this way, but I advise you to simply take an interest in the war issue in general (or Russian's war history specifically) in order to understand the situation in your homeland. In general, war stories are similar to each other everywhere. I can only say with certainty that the events in the Donbass are not a performance. People were dying... horrible deaths, for various reasons. The Ukrainian authorities are not the forces of light, as they say. And it was very disappointing for everyone here to be ignored around the world when it came to the war in Ukraine. We do not exist in the western information field (which hints at involvement in the events for me). We are fake.
Hmm.. I'm starting to think that you only wanted to know about the attack on Ukraine. Sorry if it's true :)
It is hard to say whether there were Ukrainian attacks at that very moment, whether the plan for Ukraine's attack on us was in the plan. We've had an evacuation. I've seen a few videos and photos that looked like a staging. Mass mobilization and all, war. My guess? Yes, we are pawns on this board. Another reason is to justify actions (it's probably better to look like a defender). Does it matter? Not really. One way or another, Russia will end the long-begun war and its brave soldiers are standing by. Otherwise, the war would not have ended here.
@@DevilLoveMetal i've read all your wrote, it's all very sad and interesting to hear your opinion that sounds objective to me. I am blaming all countries - some for provoking, others for being weak to respond badly to those provocations, which in turn cause the situations to aggravate. It's very possible there were cruelties from each side, hatred is the enemy to clear thinking. I am still convinced you didn't start protesting against Ukrainian government in 2014 without the help from Kreml, which is notorious for igniting conflicts where it is needed. On the other hand, I can partially understand Russia is doing all this in the interest of own country and tries to safeguard from western attacks. But again, I think it's a bit of paranoia to believe the west is working hard to destroy russia, i think it's just as scared from Russia and Russia from West. And so on. I think you guys living in Ukraine should have not gone against their government, and there wouldn't be such negative treatment from their side. actions cause reactions. I imagine Armenians living in parts of Georgia mainly populated by Armenians wil start doing anti-georgians actions, I wouldn't expect georgian government would take that easily just like in any other government.
@@XAE_A_Xii
I will put points for easier reading.
And know that although I enjoy talking, I am not versed in matters. Again, I advise you to watch the military channels on RUclips or in some other way immerse yourself in the question if you want to try to find the truth.
1. It is hard to believe about false fear, but it is quite possible. I just listened to ethnogeopolitics the other day and everything looks pretty logical. Russia has extremely large resources on the territory. The West wants to get them and freely use them, not buy them. To defeat the enemy, the tactics of loosening the country from within are used. For a long time, Russia has been absorbing a lot from Western countries: movies, culture, language, computers, smartphones... we love it. Now, sanctions are used to take it away from people (and there have always been sanctions) - the West is always dissatisfied with something. Taking what they like from the people creates aggression against the government, which can lead to an overthrow attempt and a horrific civil war.
2. Yes ... there is a lot of hatred among people for each other. Propaganda works from all sides. I first got acquainted with the information war and it's terrible. We're trying to keep humanity. And it seems that the order from Russia was to act as decently as possible, without unnecessary cruelty. Therefore, the troops of the people's republics will act in the same way. This is very good. I watch videos where people are happy to meet Russian troops after the capture of cities.
3. As for the disengagement in 2014. I also thought so... I had a good life in Ukraine (although I was still a child and perhaps this is nostalgia), but looking at what the Ukrainian government has become (perhaps these are propaganda actions on me, although I tried form an opinion through the words of President Zelensky and from swastikas on block posts), now, I'm glad to be on the other side. And by and large, it would hardly have affected the situation now.
And I didn't make the decisions. The rallies seemed crazy and scary to me. I did not understand the situation at all and ignored the politics, as I said earlier. And I'm generally marginal. What really happened there is no longer understood.
4. I am not familiar with your situation, I do not want to say anything, because I can just spread ignorance. If you find similarities, then just try to put the picture together yourself.
@@DevilLoveMetal I hope Russia is able to redeem Ukraine from the western influence. Sad that Ukraine is becoming a pawn in this. Whatever 'freedom ' that the West promise sometimes is just a form of deception.
the Trade Union fire is the worst atrocity of the war and Ukraine's obfuscation and denialism is shameful. I hope survivors can get justice.
Блондинка лжет!!!
Где эту курицу нашли?
@@AlexWhiteUA ... хорошо если бы ее не нашли ...
"It's scary, of course, but what can you do?" she says with a smile. This is the unfathomable strength of the Russian people. If you can't fix it, no need to worry about it. Just go on living.
What people on earth are not like this? Who has any choice?
@@gives_bad_advice I don't know. But I notice in Russians a LOT.
@@myronplatte8354 well, the Russian people have a brutal history and the weak ones were culled a long time ago
Say that to the Ukrainians literally dying for their freedom!
@@Blind_Hawk They're dying for nothing but the failed dreams of Schwab, Gates, Biden, Wallenberg, Soros, and the like. No freedom is in Ukraine, except for freedom to be a corrupt politician or business owner. Heck, there isn't even freedom to speak your native language.
There are no English subtitles... Can you, please, do something about it? I'd really like to watch this documentary. Thanks.
They work for me now
Good that I speek Russian
Turn on the captions
Anal cross ..do you see it
Then learn Russian, don’t be those English that only know 1 language
Really like the passionate, large border guard. One moment he is ready till anybody who threatens is family and friends, and the next he sits down, picks up the cat, and starts petting it. A sensitive big ol Russian teddy bear. 😂😂😂 Very cool guy.
Wonder if he's still alive.
15:40 "Totaly anarchy, the country should exist" dude, people cooperating without government is why it deserves to exist.
This was back in the crazy days. There are new police now.
This guy just has shown his dictator side
DNR shouldn't exist.
I don't think he meant it in that way given the tone, translations can easily fuck up the meanings of what people say, I'm sure he just meant that it's crazy how a country is existing under its current conditions
@@schmay3312 l agree with you mate.
So sad 😞
Agree
And here we are today, the whole world hoping it's not WWIII
Russia hope too.
If for 8 years minsk agreement was not met and people massacred, only Russians came to help the Donbass. The world did NOT CARE.
There’s always two sides of the story, imo Ukraine shouldn’t gotten so much land and eastern ukraine should’ve be it’s own country 🤷♂️ ussr did bad job once again!
Thank Kruschev. He redrew the borders.
who said that? and why you think under russian rule these parts of ukraine would be better off? andcan you explain why Ukraine shouldn't gotten so much land?
@@XAE_A_Xii Looking at Crimea, these guys are far better off with joining Russia than evern the western Ukrainians getting robbed by us westerners and their oligarchs.
@@miriamweller812 lol. yes, we can see what russia does, even to its own people. see kharkox, mariopol, mostly russian cities. go say thank you to piderast putin
Deepestt? Are you mental? Ukraine got too much land? Russia has the largest land area of any nation on earth. Ethnic russians in Ukraine are Ukranian. If they don't like it then go to Russia.
Humans are so shitty no matter where you go 🤦🏽♂️ i feel for everyone who just wants a peaceful life wish you all the best
everyones country will experience this as (1) population increases and (2) resources decrease. We're already feeling crazy tensions in USA like never before
@RJ You are human. I guess I won't go to where you are because the human everyone knows the best is themself, so if you say that it can only mean that you are shitty.
@Kosename lol
@Kosename would be also better if there would be a one child policy.
As someone who lived at the Maryinka Boarding School (orphanage) that the Ukrainians attacked, I can understand why Russia attacked. Most of the children living in the orphanages that the Ukrainian party attacked were Russians. Do you honestly think that the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT will let that slide??
Example A: I was born in Russia, don't know how i ended up in ukraine but I did,... ended up at this particular orphanage. I was able to speak RUSSIAN without a problem until i started school at the age of 7. I used to get beat on the daily for simply speaking RUSSIAN and not ukrainian. And if you know anything about the two countries the language is very similar so its pretty damn easy to get the two confused.
Example B: In 2016 i hosted an orphan form ukriane (i ended up learning later on we were from the same orphanage). She told me about the orphanage was attacked while she was there (we're talking about innocent children) (BUT IT SEEMS LIKE NOONE GIVES TWO FUCKS ABOUT CHILDREN IN THIS THREAD) . I also found out after much research that orphanages WILL/DO PIMP OUT orphans and that's exactly what they were doing to the girl I hosted. My family and I found a family for her and that family wanted to adopted her. The family that wanted to adopt her PHYSICALLY went to the Maryinka Boarding School and got turned away (keep in mind that i was from the same orphanage and got adopted; why couldn't she be) numerous times. The family even meet/talked with the director of the orphanage and still got rejected WITHOUT an EXPLANATION.
SMELL SOMETHING FISHY or, IS IT JUST ME??
P.S Sick and Tired of U.S.A portraying RUSSIA as the DEVIL.
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Why the hell would Ukraine purposefully attack orphanages, or vice versa?? Seriously think about it. It holds no tactical or strategic advantage and all it does is inflame tensions amongst outside international actors to come in and stop you with military force for humanitarian forces. Seriously. Think about it. Now what it useful is pretending your enemy attacks orphanages or hospitals of children’s schools with abandon, so as to justify your invasion and combat.
@@milenaredyss4817 said: "Ваш комментарий так важен сейчас"
Her comment is FSB *BULLSH1T!* Don't be such a sucker.
@@playaspec your comment said like the white house bot. Cia taught you well.....
@@xayvath5221 You're mentally damaged and pretty stupid if you think I work for _ANY_ government.
The inhumanity of some humans. Burning people is pure savagery. Hope peace would come soon. Stay safe to all.
If you were listening, they said they still don't know how the fire started.
@@tborody we all know what happened.......they even tried to beat the victims as the firefighters were trying to help them ......they were even stopping police from helping the victims ...........don't play dumb OPEN YOUR EYES.
@@tborody and if you’re stupid you’ll believe that. If you were listening there were people on the roof escaping the fire being shot from the ground. Not too difficult to work out
The people who ordered and carried out the slaughter are members of the current Ukrainian government
@@GuinessOriginal This is a disgusting, shameful lie. Shame on you.
Great job and hello from 2022.
Peace! No wars! 🇺🇸
Heel goede en informatieve docu zoals gewoonlijk. Dank je wel en ik kijk uit naar de volgende.
Magnifique documentaire avec sous titre français, moi qui suis québécoise. J'ai fait beaucoup de recherches ces derniers jours pour comprendre ce qui se passe en Ukraine depuis quelques années, ce docu fait maintenant parti de ma compréhension. Je retiens que la jeune femme disait que son enfant ne pouvait être ni ukrainien ni russe parce qu'à cette date la Russie n'avait pas reconnu ces régions en son sein, c'est fait, mais que restera t'il de ces régions après cette guerre ! Bon courage !!!! L'espoir fait vivre...
De montreal?
@@bbqsauce875 Mystère ! :-D
Donbass is Ukraine.
Donbass was ukraine
It is informative, hear how people are surviving in a War zone, There needs to be a cease-fire and a better solution for all people involved.
we tried to stop it and now the whole of Europe believes that Russia is the aggressor(((
Ehm
@@user-hv8qt9dz3f That's because Russia is the aggressor.
@@jayrichardson6935 there is nothing to say except a learned expression? I really didn't think that people abroad are so duplicitous and narrow-minded (((
@@user-hv8qt9dz3f We DID hear some things about Ukraine which arent pretty, True. BUT the journalist summarized it very clearly: Russia wish to destabilize Ukraine... The sufferings of the people in this war- alike situation in Donbass, is much cheaper for Russia, than to try to take over the area... Or go openly in war against Ukraine...
Thank you for truthful video which would be hard to fing among modern false. Real statement of things...
Ik hoop dat deze docu mensen in het westen de ogen opent en ziet dat het niet zo simpel is!! Voor mij lijkt het fel op de bruinhemden voor WW2.
SALAAM to all friends. Пожалуйста, уважайте друг друга и просто живите в мире. Живите в этом мире и позвольте другим жить. Мир очень красивый. Ради бога, не относитесь к нему войнами. Подарите своим будущим поколениям прекрасные миры.
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English please ?
@@youssefouahbani6543 why don't you just touch to
Translate to English
@@aydemirduman2848 lazy people will always be lazy, even in the age of information.
@20:50 and now this has so much more meaning now doesn't it.....?
Yes. Putin having big interest for Donbass. This soldier identifies himself as russian, so he has no problem with that... But for Ukraine its of course a big problem Putin has big interest in Donbass. NOT to help people there, but to strenghen Mother Russia and weaken up Ukraine.....
😔🥺 the new mother her face so bright & proud of her little baby boy
"Russia has no intention to occupy this area." 40:00
Before Ukrnazis do
@@zx169 - Nazis with a Jewish president.
Yes, its cheaper to destabilize Ukraina by such an internal war, did he proceed to say.
Greedy people with an insatiably need for power. Looks like we will never learn from our history…there will always be people who think they will prevail and start wars, sending so many to die, and for what?
Saying that, this documentary has informed me of people in situations I knew nothing about. My country has known wars for independence, over 100 years ago, and even though the physical violence has ceased, our children are still influenced by our different views or opinions, and have chosen sides that were ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. Unless we see the other sides needs and respect different opinions, there will never be ease, only tension. 😔
Putin may have a point when he says that Nato and the west seek to have influence over Ukraine. Does that give him the right to Invade and conquer Ukraine? I don't think it does. At the end of the day the majority of the Ukranian people have to chose what they want. I think the world knows that being a Russian client state will do nothing for Ukraine. All Putin is doing is ruining his own country and selling its soul to china. What will Putin and Russia do when China invariably decides to turn on Russia? It will happen in my life time. I bet my life savings, my car, all of my possessions and my freedom on it.
@@The_Gallowglass
Isn't that the idea ?
Smash Russia to sh.t via Ukraine and integrate it into NATO ... Cos China is the Next Target !?
Reportage at its BEST
Dutch VPRO. :)
40:04 "Russia has no intention of occupying this area". This hasn't aged well...
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Persona non grata - Wrong, it aged very well. Russia HAD no intention of occupying Donbas, which is why there was such great hope about Minsk II. Then one year ago today Dec 2022 Kiev not only upped it's shelling of Donetsk by 10X, but both Poroshenko & Merkel admitting they lied their way through the Minsk Agreements, including signing them, to plan for war.
Russia indeed HAD no intention to occupy Donbas. It acted honorably and stayed out when it could have invaded, but it honorably tried to let the matter be solved internally. There is no statement that says, Russia is or was too cowardly to defend Donbas if Minsk is betrayed. Minsk was betrayed, the rest is the history of the beginning of the end of Ukraine.
@@thetoughcookie3665 - People like you who post crying emoticons are some of the most trivial people on the planet.
@@johnsmith1474 Crimea annexion had already happened. Blind or idiot!
@@johnsmith1474 Russia was the aggressor from the outset. Kremlin shifted towards militaristic demolition of Ukraine when it was impossible for Russia to maintain the upper hand in Ukraine. For Russia Ukraine is a non nation-state. This has been declared officially. The so-called separatist groups was small groups employed by Russia. It is astonishing how wrong the claim that Russia does not want to occupy the area is. Russia was the occupier and the instigator of the conflict but wanted to present it as an civil war. There was an civil war aspect, but not the main one. Russia was trying to demolish Ukraine but didn't want to appear as the aggressor.
Minsk agreement was not to be lasted. It was implemended at gun-point and if Ukraine was succumbed to follow the agreement as Russia was interpreted it, that would mean the de facto demolishion of Ukraine and no sovereign state can do something like that.
But you can not say that the claim that "Russia has no intention to occupy the area" is correct cos it's contrary to any sesne of reality itself. Because you want to surpass reality, you are trying to find some minor issues and some absurd justifications to muddy the waters.
Such an interesting documentary, showing all the faces of this war, that today, unfortunately, got way worse.
Need subtitles
Thanks for sharing.
Go 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
SALAAM to all friends. Please respect each other and just live in peace. Live in this world and let others live. The world is very beautiful. For heaven's sake, don't treat him with wars. Present beautiful worlds to your future generations.
3:41 this Russian i'm going to die for
excellent reporting
Thankyou for this
I still don’t get why they are fighting.
There is presently, and never has been any justifiable reason for RuZZia's WAR against Ukraine. The only reason that I can see is a high degree of hubris and greed on the part of Pootin and the political and military establishment of RuZZia. All the reasons, given at the beginning of the war, by Pootin and other RuZZian sources, have been shown to be false, lies and deliberate obfuscation for the pupose of distraction:
** Protection of the interests of the Russian speaking civilian population in the east of Ukraine? Thousands have been murdered by the RuZZian aerial and artillery bombardments, the survivors made homeless and destitute, displaced persons within their own country, and refugees in other countries supporting Ukraine.
** Nazis? -- Ukraine has probably roughly the same percentage of people holding significantly right leaning philosophy and views among their population, as any other "free world" country and probably fewer than in Russia, particularly in their military forces.
** Demilitarization? -- If the conquest was going to be as easy as the RuZZians thought, I wonder what level of militarization the RuZZians believed that the Ukrainians had? The RuZZians must have been aware that the Ukrainian military, though possibly well trained, would not have had significant quantities of munitions and materiel. Presumably, that would have been the reason for believing Ukraine to be an easy target. Most of the military hardware, that the Ukrainians currently have, has arrived in Ukraine since the second invasion of Ukraine's territory, by RuZZia in February 2022 after the first invasion in 2014.
** NATO "threat"? -- In this day and age of intercontinental ballistic missiles that can be fired to the other side of the world, what reason has Pootin and his Moscow menagerie to hide behind the petti-coats and hang on to the apron-strings of little sister, Ukraine for the purpose of protecting RuZZia from NATO. It is definitely apparent that "the boot is on the other foot" and that other countries believe that RuZZia is a threat to their sovereignty and independance.
Indeed there are many other countries that appear, according to comments by Pootin and others from the Moscow menagerie, to be at risk of aggressive and offensive invasion by RuZZia, should they succeed in their belligerent offensive, invasion and WAR waged against Ukraine. This is completely the reverse of RuZZia's claims of feeling threatened by NATO. The comments, by people in the RuZZian establishment, maintain and support the assertion and belief that RuZZia should be confined and prevented from proceeding with such attacks on any other countries for the foreseeable future.
How absolutely Preposterous, Ridiculous and Pathetic is the position of RuZZia given their stated position, all of which has changed, from time to time, as the war proceeded, and the RuZZian asserted positions were, at each stage, shown to be false?
🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 VICTORY for UKRAINE 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Gentlemen, good to meet you in Orlando. I'd be more than happy to cross promote your channel if you'd like. And if you want to do a Skype interview for your manosphere documentary, I'd be happy to do that since we didnt get a chance to do it in Orlando. Peace my brothers
Deberían tener más comunicacion en torno a todo y menos guerra,pues esto no nos aporta para nada
Is it possible to have this with English subtitles?
Tap on the video, hit the CC (closed caption) icon and choose English
Basically as i understand it, the Ukraine as a whole decidedly began a war against a minority of its people forcing ideals of "democracy" without democracy
That's what you got from this video?
@@gives_bad_advice that's exactly what happened are you dense or something?
yes, u are right
@@RaizerZ you think the situation is simple? People on both sides have been killed by lunatics.
Yes, that's the impression this videos gives. This documentary paints exclusively one side of the conflict, and not a lot. It also conveys the thoughts of the regular people like the most of us here who are caught in the conflict.
I don't know what turned the conflict from 100 people died in Kiev and 52 died in Odesa to an actual war.
4:06 to 5:06 is the most important thing I have learned. From this entire situation. I have watch hours and listen to hours of this situation. This one minute should be explained more often imo.
I agree. That's what I have learned as well. This is ultimately a civil war in a country that is struggling to put together its culture and heritage and societal philosophies. And its struggling to thrive because of corruption and conflict and most everyday people are powerless while both sides are getting overly armed by much more powerful countries that care less about Ukraine and more about fighting each other. It's like Mom and Dad hating each other and when their kids fight, instead of breaking it apart, they pick a side and give the kid they side with a bigger weapon so they can win the fight and make their spouse suffer in the process.
Everyone should watch shows like this. Calm down stop the war.
Share this and may the truth prevail!
Very interesting documentary. Thank you.
Russian people will never be conquered !!!!!!!!!! Slava Roccia!
The RuZZians are working awfully hard to achieve that end and be conquered. Just because you believe that it can't happen, doesn't mean it won't.
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@@PNH-sf4jz OSINT investigators called the real irretrievable losses of the Ukrainian army. The irretrievable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on October 20, 2022 amounted to 402,000 people, of which 387,000 were killed. Losses among mercenaries and volunteers from Poland, the Baltic States, Romania amounted to 54,000 of them killed 31,240 people. These are the OSINT data calculated using reports from funeral agencies, extracts from morgues, as well as the results of the analysis of radio, cellular and satellite exchange of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces. The media also report that the committee of soldiers' mothers of Ukraine allegedly prepared more than 320,000 appeals "about the fate of the missing fighters," but the SBU forbade them to submit for national security purposes - however, these widespread data have no documentary confirmation. Their source is the statements of a number of members of the committee of soldiers' mothers, made orally and in social networks. These statistics can be compared with estimates of losses made by the Western military. The former deputy head of the US European Command, Stephen Twitty, said in an interview with Linke Zeitung that "200 thousand fighters somehow mysteriously disappeared from the APU, and no one will tell where they are today." "The Armed Forces of Ukraine ... We have lost tens and tens of thousands of people killed and wounded, Ukrainians have paid a terrible price," said General Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff.
"Ukraine is losing 6,000 soldiers every month, which is 12 times more than America lost in Vietnam," retired colonel and veteran ex-Senator Richard Black admitted in his speech. However, during the discussion of his statement, experts came to a more significant figure in 15 000 - 20 000 killed soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine monthly.
Ukraine started the war and now Russia will end it. Greetings from Donbas 🇷🇺🤙
Bro why is russia so slow in taking all of Ukraine ? Its been a year.
@@Theredpillar miminze civilian and military losses
@@NikolaiAlekseev-jk1fd So Russia ain't using air force coz Ukraine got air defence systems ?
Fantastic
You never mention when was the incident in Odessa.
2014
02.05.2014
May 2, 2014. Shortly after the Maidan in Kiyv.
Something really doesn’t add up in this war
A gret deal doesn't add up in this war.
Now, after a comment by former Chancellor Merkel everything become clear. Western capitalism is once again embracing fascism and nationalism. Nothing new.
Maybe that's always the case in a war.
thanks. a good watch even in 2023.
Thats interesting...
Thank you for the reportage, very interesting! I like your politically neutral approach, to see the both sides of conflict
He seems very pro Russian.
This is 5 years ago. Things have changed a lot since.
@Green Hacker
it's clear, from all the perspectives and histories which he shows, that he is very very pro-Russian. It is sad that you can't spot it
The interviewer wasn't pro-Russian the people he interviewed were.. he never added his own thoughts or beliefs into any of the questions or responses.. Is it because he didn't tell you what to think or believe that makes him pro-Russian in your mind? And why does it even matter when his interview was done properly? The people he interviewed said the Ukrainian army is killing them while trying to take ground and dig in during a "cease fire" not the Russians or the so called separatists that claim to be local volunteers.. you all sound like a bunch of sheep.. I don't claim to know what's going on but this was straight down the middle he let the people speak
they confirmed on 23:30 : we fight for Big Russian World. Don't want to live in world like that, hardly escaped.
A truly excellent documentary. I am not even sure if it could have been better. Of course, I am wondering what the situation is like in this region now.
check Patrick Lancaster videos, he shows what Donbass in living today.
@@bohemepois Hi. Thank you. I will do that :)
@@louisej3664 but he is only in the donbass region :) in other areas might be different, just so you have that in consideration.
"ain't war a terrible thing?"
-Sieg Jeager
34:46 the next Fast and Furious: Donetsk
That's just normal driving in Donetsk
World 🌎 is beautiful but political is so dirty
You mean the World was Beautiful untill -
Deforestation
Melting Glaciers
Rising Sea Levels
Global Warming
Pollution
Destruction of Ozone
Declining fish Stocks
Plastic Oceans
Starvation
Failing Crops
Pandemics
And Wars of Greed
Dominance & Power ?
"cannot be resolved by war"...
Really similar to English, i guess i understood something ... a lot of similar words like Ukraine, Donbass, Luhansk, Yanukovich etc ...
Hahaha
Yeah, in principle the same language
The Donbas is a heavily industrializes region, in that it has a history, and its best time can be one when work was plentiful. That activity was also highly socialized, in that we must consider the two models one which is capitalized and one that is not. In a state operated business, the revenue goes to the state and then the state paid for everything a very different social model. In a private operations capital is disbursed within and allocated to ensure it retains a market share and profits. The transition from the one system to the others revealed that much of the industry was not profitable. The times of high fell to times of low, polluted and not prosperous the area was disenfranchised and did not get what was needed and here we are, many are descendants of Russian migrations to the industry, and they are caught up in the recall of the past, they may see it better in other areas within Russia however outside of Moscow and St. Peterburg it is not much different for laborers the same situation the transition was not easy and became riddled with corruption. Both Ukraine and Russia are terribly corrupt rated as some of the most corrupted systems. It may be wiser to look West and the EU however its no silver bullet.
Russia isn't riddled with corruption anymore, that ended with Putin
The woman from Luhansk states that "elections would have fixed everything". The warlords dominating that area made sure that would not happen. The citizens in the region were not allowed to vote in the Ukrainian elections.
Oh shut the fuck up you halfwit, when their democratic voice was silenced by the minority imposing their will on the majority through a violent coup it became clear a war would break out you fucking dipshit.
@@bulgarianenglishpropertytr3555 Seems to me the minority is in Luhanks and the Donbass. The insurgency failed in Kharkov, Berdansk, Mariupol, etc. Go fuck yourself, Commie kisser.
@@TheSteveRobinson haha you fucking piece of shit, what a stupid response.
@@bulgarianenglishpropertytr3555 Make a stupid comment, get a stupid response. Welcome to the real world. The worst of it is... what I said was true and you can't deal with it.
@@TheSteveRobinson commie kisser ok big Nazi
Danke well!
I know there's no subtitles but you can still get the drift like when he had the map book out but it would be great if subtitles were added otherwise its a good documentary
Click the cc subtitles in English.
IF YOU WANT TO BE anti ukranian THEN get out of Ukraine . Ukraine is Ukraine. 👍 LOVE UKRAINE.
Exactly!
Annexed territories shall be reintegrated. We'll HAVE to live with those people under one banner.
So no, anti-Ukrainians can't be just evicted. Re-educated, perhaps?
P.S. I wonder how people feel inside, when they hate the soil they trample on.
@@volo870 I think their needs will have to be met. At least partially anyway.
Why do people have to make trouble? We're all flesh and blood. After we die, and our corpses are found, nobody will be able to tell if they were Russian, Ukrainian, Dutch, American, or something else.
I enjoy studying the environment - wide roads, trees, grand buildings and the sunlight. Even the war-torn areas are fascinating - especially so.
So sad
Tell this to the criminal democratic politicians of u.s., the First terrorist nation in the world.
They created this problem in ukraine, Also if in the facts this nation has been Always divide in two after the collpase of the Berlin s wall
@@mariorossi4050 How did U.S.A cause this problem. By supporting the revolutionary who chased their corrupt leader out of the country?
please add an English subtitles
thank you for the coverage! It's very interesting to see your specific perspective of Donbas/Luhansk region. It's funny how at @26:45 you show the 2010 election results from 9 years from theis video was released. The numbers were different after Yanukowysh beat peaceful protesters or for other reasons and likely why the 2010 atlas is the only map you found. Very interesting.
To me all one needs to know is Yanukovich was a russian puppet that let police kill protestors. They gave the protestors a reason to fight. Yanukovich had no loyalty to Ukraine. Instead of staying there to try and keep the peace he fled like a coward back to Russia. A captain goes down with his ship.
@@The_Gallowglass He knew he was going to be killed. he had no future if he had stayed.
@@sagarshrestha5800 Yeah, because pepople knew what he was and he proved it when the police killed people during the protests.
@@The_Gallowglass police were also an ukrainian people where they were filled with hate after some protestor shown inhumane activity( throwing of molotov/stones/ barraging with tractors) which triggered the extreme cases. Both sides didn't see each other as human anymore.
@@sagarshrestha5800 If my president was a foreign puppet I would be throwing things too.
Canada .
STAND WITH UKRAINA.
@Jagdpanther ❤
You stand with murderers
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Nazis hanged a pregnant woman
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Nazis killed unarmed people
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Nazis crucyfied man
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Massacre de Korsun
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Massacre of Odessa
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I don't know that Ukraine is now very devided, hope there is will be reconciliation between them
in fact, Ukraine is now much more united in 2021, since now everyone understands that the "Russian world" is just a beautiful facade behind which only war, degradation and poverty are hidden, and the war was imposed by Russia as a piece, then they said on Russian TV we are Ukrvinian Nazis in the west, we drink blood and paint Russian-speaking children on the cross, although in reality there was no such thing, and there was even no discrimination of Russian-speaking people, so until 2013 we, in the west, in the East, we considered Russians as brothers as we now consider Belarusians
My friend just got deployed there
I think it is also decent to say that a minority of Russian soldiers in Donetsk and Luhansk are basically all in higher administration which orchestrate everything. It is easy to check. Just look at the official biographies of the main leaders of Donetsk and Luhansk republics, especially at the early stages of conflict when the fighting started. Most of them were born in Russia, lived there before 2014, and were connected to the FSB. That is especially visible for people responsible for all armed actions: Borodai, Strelkov, Girkin, etc. After the "hot" phase was over Putin either called them back or simply killed them and hired more people from the local population. After seeing Russian tanks on the streets and Russian soldiers in the city, the kidnapping and torture of pro-Ukrainian activists, one could imagine that the moods of the people changed. Many pro-Ukrainian people left, some were put in jail, and many just decided to sit quietly and not speak up. And again we forget the role of the Russian propaganda machine and cutting off the Ukrainian TV channels as soon as they could. I would imagine that missing these details makes a huge difference
And this is propaganda also i guess by your tiny brain.
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Comments made in the recent past such as 'We defend our country with Putin's help' send cold shivers down my spine - and not in a good way...
Ja, subtitles? Iemand?
Verkoop jij ze ?
Thankyou vpro, good piece.
1, Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦💪👍
I don't know why you give a glory to Ukraine right now because they are shit. If you say that Russia is dictator then I don't know about a country who don't let the citizens who have a right to choose the language they can speak.
Glory to heros
What happened the last time Russia came to...oh right
@@brethartaquino3976 Whatever you say, fake Russian account.
@@infiltr80r I am not Russian and I am just stating my opinion same as you're assuming I am troll because you can't accept my political view.
Now, end of February 2022, some of the journalist's comments and predictions have aged liked milk...
The first shots were fired in Maidan square?
Oameni rai și uni si ceilalți.
Thanks! It is a decent attempt at an unbiased view of the situation. I would like to add a few things about the events in Odessa. Firstly, I think that forgetting the victims of May 2 is not a good decision. It should be investigated and should be honored. Secondly, I would like to add more nuance to the situation. Odessa was always a city where there were two small active groups of people: so-called "pro-Russian" and "pro-Ukrainian" citizens with a large indifferent majority between them. During all these years, these two active groups had clashes and disagreements, but it was mainly expressed in words and voting results. They had their representatives in local administration, but nothing this violent ever happened. And here comes the question of why it happened on May 2? As a witness, I can definitely say that the role of Russian "news" was huge. Starting from the events in Kyiv, they were using truly horrible lies to provoke the conflict in every Russian-speaking city. The Free Russia Forum and Russian journalist Igor Yakovenko are creating a database documenting crimes of the Putin regime both inside and outside Russia. One of their points is that TV channels and journalists that translate lies which can lead to deaths should be held responsible too. He has a lot of information about events in Odessa on May 2 and he provides good arguments all of which I cannot present here. I do not release from responsibility the Ukrainian and local government for not doing more to prevent the tragedy. But you have to understand that Russia uses its media as a lethal weapon. It is a huge billion-dollar machine that works for Putin and his goals. Remembering how they manipulated and twisted every piece of information, every attempt at peaceful dialogue, or simply made up horrible lies about homicides of Russian-speaking children in Kyiv helps to understand how it contributed majorly to such a fragile compromise that existed in cities like Odessa after Yanukovych's escape, Crimea and Donetsk events.
Helen Dietrich liar
Odessa has always been pro Russian, it was built by Russians and Russians were major population for most of history. Just filthy migrants from Galitsia moved there.
Helen Dietrich, are you not ashamed of the murder and burning of 48 people at the Union House in Odessa to describe" vaguely " as part of Russian propaganda ? I mean the people who physically participated today in Ukraine acquaintances, do not hide it and they are Ukrainian nazis !!! And you are a liar who will fry in hell for your lies. Karma is for everyone-you just need to wait.....but it will come.
@@Boyar300AV it's not pro Russian anymore. Sorry. It might have been 5 years ago when this was filmed
Yeah but the only reason Russian media is lying is cous ethey have tk counter the trillion dollar machone of American fake news
There are a lot of Americans in Canada does that make it America
Russia is occupant
There is a lot of British in Canada and USA. Does that makes it England or natives Indians?
@@ronaldhonore3454 Great Britain lost her colonies to join EU , now she lost everything
What are you trying to say
ctguy591 People who identify as Americans from the country America
Im a time traveler from 2024... it gets much worse. If you're offered a peace deal in 2022, best you take it lest it cost you 500,000 troops and about a quarter of your territory. Hope this helps.
Happy to see Russia has recognized the republics and that mother at the end can take baby out of the war zone.
0:40 go daamit don't play with
Huh?? What you talkin bout?
Ryan VanGelder 0:52 don't play with
На 23-й минуте прям начался русский мир... Гоблины
Слова гоблинов совсем тебя напугали🤣🤣🤣🤣
Стоит понимать, что не все такие...
The world has seen enough wars
Ukraine is Europe
CANADA WILL NOT PROTECT UKRAINE : sold out to Israel for pennies.
Yeah, very europeans and civilized ukrainians who killed their own people.
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@@patriotvostok8184 I see the videos, murders
@@patriotvostok8184 ваш комментарий теперь показываю всем
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