Small correction, the Hindu Trimurti is Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma. Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu, rather than a separate god, and his association with compassion is part of Vishnu's role in maintaining spiritual "rightness". While in Shaivism Shiva is considered to be the greatest of the 3 and takes on the role of creator and destroyer, in most beliefs the creator god is Brahma. This also ties the Trimurti together cyclically, as Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva make up the creator, maintainer and destroyer throughout the kalpik cycles
Ah, I see. Admittedly, researching this one was difficult for me, because I was seeing different sources saying describing them in different ways, most assuredly from different sects of belief that didn't really identify themselves as sects. Just as Hinduism. Please confirm for me, but reviewing my footage, I believe I labeled each of the Trimurti correctly in the visual. And in the script I did not say Krishna was one of the Trimurti. Just that the depiction of blue skin is most often seen with Vishnu, Shiva, and Krishna (which may also be an inaccurate thing for me to say). I will update the description to include some of the sources I was using, because my focus was more on researching the language used in the Rig Vedas and the art history.
@@SocraTetris You're labeling is definitely correct. You're right, you just listed them as sharing blue skin, I think it just stood out to me to hear 2 out 3 listed together as well as 2 forms of Vishnu in the same list and jumped the gun a bit. It's definitely a difficult area to study, as it's a complicated cosmology with conflicting accounts from different groups. Generally speaking there are 4 main sects though. Vaishnavism, which holds Vishnu as the supreme deity and worships him and his 10 incarnations, in particular there are many stories about Krishna and Rama which are emphasized a lot. They have a focus on sharing your earthly pleasures with Vishnu, it's common to offer food to statues or paintings of a Vishnu to taste before you eat it yourself. I have some experience with a Vaishnavist group in my country so it's the one I have the most experience with. Shaivites, who hold Shiva as the supreme deity and generally believe that he is the one who created the universe. It has a focus on dualism and the acceptance of all things. In order to become closer to Shiva one might fast or meditate on the streets for extended periods of time with the aim of mastering ones body and emotions, to accept all of Shiva's creation, be it positive or negative. Shaktism and Smartism I'm much less familiar with. Shaktism introduces the idea of a cosmic feminine force known as Shakti from which everything originates, which is personified in the tridevi of Lakshmi, Kali and Parvati/Durga. But beyond that I don't know much. Smartism seems much more like western polytheistic religions, like Greek or Roman, in that it doesn't try to make any singular god the most important, instead people worship multiple gods for various reasons. That's about all I know about it.
What makes Khal great is that he was just a normal rank-and-file grunt but became a badass when the call came now he is rescueing his brother and sisters from the Narmer control.
Khal's ability to stay respectful to Kaelli while she's constantly insulting him and talking down to him is so impressive. Dude is here to save Brothers and he's not going to let petty arguments or ego get in the way of that.
One of my favorite part is sometimes when you complete a mission Pazuul says "Mission complete great job" in an angry tone like he's trying to mock the lotus.
I understand why the Entrati’s couldn’t help, even if a necramech or two would have been nice. Almost everyone in the Origin System believes Deimos is a dead end, any possible gain consumed by the Infestation long ago. If Narmer had suspected it was anything other than a trash heap, they would have sent something to investigate. And the Heart is, in a way, what allowed Narmer to fall- it kept the Void open, which let the Drifter through and made sure Operator could get back/use their Warframes. No Heart, and the Tenno may have truly died off. I like to think that the family chose not to send help because they didn’t want to endanger us further by cutting off our use of Warframes.
It absolutely makese sense strategically. Would have liked to see something alluding to that during The New War quest as well, but that would also have made the quest's narrative less tight/cohesive. Also, we don't know how the infested interact with Sentients. If Sentients are vulnerable, it may not have been viable for them to target deimos in the first place
@@SocraTetris In Operation Plaguestar, we are told that the sentients are immune to the infestation. It's probably due to the nature of the infestation and the fact that just about the entirety of Deimos was transformed by it that everyone, including the sentients, believed that that's all there was.
Khal is a awsome character. An embodyment of sheer force of will. In warframe lore grineer are made to be unable to refuse orders from superiors by genetic encoding. We learn this from clems intro quest. Clem is immune because of his genetic defect. Khal had to overcome it purely by force of will and expirience. Add into this the viels from the new war that literally weaponize someones memories and we can see that khals sheer force of will is insane. The only 2 other characters that had the sheer force of will to break free from the viels were teshin and the drifter. Its amazing to think khal has force of will matching teshin and the drifter/operator. Also his dedication to newfound brothers and sisters is awsome
It is impressive, but most grineer actually have thaf willpower. in the Simaris Imprint heavy gunner, a whole platoon of grineer trick and Orokin into surrendering a cruiser ship
It's nice to see someone stepping up to fill the void of detailed warframe lore analysis, since Desiege died there hasn't been much efforts there. You go very far in depth, looking into not just what is presented but the underlying ideals and philosophies in a way I highly appreciate. I'm hopeful that you'll continue to give such excellent insight into the future! Good work!
I like how you occasionally chime in with your own interpretation of events, and what happened in between what we see and are told. I wasn't thinking about why the Entrati were so quiet during the Narmer Invasion, and many players probably didn't either, but you still did it! I always look forward to your uploads!
I did know the ancient statues of rome and greece were painted, but if they were painted in the way you showed in your video I am now amazed at the realism of the ancient artists that did so. The forms themselves are so realistic and distinctive already, but wow!
their dedication to anatomy in their statues is really what set hellenist statues and the inherited art style as unique from other sculpture styles. It something i look to when i think on how ancient man was no less intelligent than we are; they simply had less technology and invention at their disposal.
I loved them for a while, but one can only do the same 3 things repeatedly for so long. Their clunkier movement just doesnt have the same inherently-fun feel of the warframes.
@@SocraTetris for me the biggest gripe i have with it is specifically the Veil Factory mission, where u have to run the gauntlet in second half. Mobs 2-3 shot you, single shot 1.5 sec reload shotgun, swarmed from all sides... it is scuffed. And once you get past it the "boss" Raknid at the end you can stand still and facetank for 10 sec straight. It is scuffed
oh yeah, i basically looked for the fastest way to just run past them all withiut engaging. The enemies have scripted entries before that actively follow, and they all stay on the geound floor. So I just made a path running along the walls to skip the whole fight. save it all for the boss
love these vids! think i've binged all of the warframe lore videos while playing the game over the last few days and i'm more hyped than ever for the story to continue
Glad to have you Lagger! I will be making a Duviri video, but it's proving to be a gargantuan effort. My hope is to drip it before Warframe 1999's release if possible
In the Archon hunt Spy mission there is dialogue from Pazuul/Erra that sounds a little more like Erra than Pazuul. But idk, that's just what I thought it felt like after hearing that dialogue.. (I don't remember the dialogue right now, but having all the lines from Pazuul from all the Archon hunt mission types may be an interesting addition.. Also the Kahl/Blue girl transmissions on the garrison)
For sure. I reviewed all the audios when choosing which ones to include, and absolutely there are lines that sound like Erra. and Lotus clearly is feeling remorse for what has happened
I haven’t heard all of them but I do remember this one from spy, “Tenno I’m truly sorry, I saw the truth to late and everyone payed the price, my sister… she’ll never forgive me, but you will… won’t you…?”
@@Null82085 the way that dialogue is recorded is like a punch to the soul. Erra sounds like a child. He almost sounds like a sibling that got in serious trouble and is saying, "Mom and dad are so pissed at me right now, and I don't know if they'll ever forgive me. But you still love me...don't you?" It's that small pause, that betrayal of how alone and isolated and scared they are in that moment. Because you could say, "No, I'll never forgive you for this..." It's absolutely heartbreaking.
I love your in depth videos about warframe about what things mean or what it's inspired by. Awesome videos that give me such an insight that it changes my prospective on the story.
I freaking love your content and I love the format of your lore. Such incredible insight to the blue skin too!! Can't wait for the future of your videos socra!
Thank you! I'm glad you found some value in that section. I was a little worried about it, because it's such a sensitive topic and I have no idea if these were conscious or unconscious moves by the writers. So yes, I'm glad it came across as informative
I think Solaris definitely got the closest to Jiang Hue, but were also a tad revolutionary for that. Yet they were also revolutionary in a way that , while critical of Capitalism, doesn't quite have enough to raise them to a communist themed faction.
I like the idea of clearing quests and delivering story, but Brother you've missed rare cache at 30:00, left side. I was listening to everything, maybe even bit "too everything :P "
@@SocraTetris I’m honestly a big fan I’ve watched so much of your content it’s honestly really helpful for understanding things I sometimes didn’t and honestly overall the best lore explainer I’ve ever seen on RUclips
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One thing that still has me thinking Pazuul really isn’t Erra anymore is the Narmer Archon tileset for the Corpus. We see a new Sentient body being constructed, one similar to Erra’s. I believe Pazuul is just Erra’s reincarnated body, with Erra now in his new body built by Narmer corpus instead.
@@SocraTetris I mean, the body can be seen before he (Erra) betrays Narmer, as two of the Archon hunts occur prior to the betrayal, on a Corpus installation that was ran by Alad V and already possessed facilities to research and develop Sentient advancements as it was from when Alad V had his deal with Natah. Isn’t that much of a stretch that Erra would have upgrades being worked on. I mean, even his New War form possesses Kuva in the eyes and I believe the torso, something not found in earlier forms of him. I’d hazard a guess to say that due to his access to it, likely due to Ballas, he could potentially perform something akin to Continuity by taking over a new sentient form.
Erra didn't have any betrayals until The New War. Sure he was deceiving Nataj, but the sentients and Ballas were all on his side. The Amalgams were part of thr plan to make the Archons. (Mixing Sentients with corpus before copying the Zanuka project and mixing Sentients with Warframes.) Alad V betrayed his deal without exposing himself by feeding info about Rapololyst to the Tenno
@@SocraTetris That is what I am saying, in the New War quest we can see the body on the tileset for Nira if you choose to fight her as one of the first two Archons. Also no, his eyes were not “kinda red” previously. Check the Erra quest where we see his “death” on Lua. Compared to the New War form he is lacking both the of the “eyes” and the strange red sphere within his chest cavity. We know Kuva can be used to control people, and that at least for the Kuva Scepter it seemed to glow when being used, similar to Erra’s eyes when putting the Ostron child and Kahl into trances. Admittedly it could also be similar to the Narmer technology, those strange golden transmitters of sorts which interact with the veils. But I still believe those could’ve been created with Kuva as a key element. Honestly, the Veils just seem to be modified Corrupted control devices from the Neural Sentries of Orokin Towers. Instead of being tied to a Tower possessing Temple Kuva, they are tied to Ballas/Narmer. We do know Temple Kuva can be used to control/connect to creatures, as the Unum did to scout the Plains and to find the Sentient before it could destroy the tower, a plan which ultimately backfired due to Sentients being able to make use of the Kuva.
Honestly i was a little pissed that as we fly out with the rail jack the grineer take control of the turrets and fight of boarders as your tenno flys it. maybe once or twice stopping to deal with a threat that you and your brothers can't or have a heard time dealing with.
Kahl is such a cool guy he literally gained the respect of our operater enough to camp with them and use the railjack at least to escape situations. Also love how kahl immediately connected the dot with the railjack and our tenno. No idea how he knew about the railjack but i like how you can hear the immediate "oh crap" of hearing it because he knows what we've done
I'm not sure if I'm stating the obvious but I it's probably just a coincidence. As you said blue is used to show Godlike people and creatures. Blue girl, apart from having a blue tone, she's also from the Entranti Family. Which is part Orokin and Orokin also has a blue skin tone. Orokin in game are known as Gods as well
right, they definitely staged themselves that way. It makes me curious how far back the motif has been used in Warframe. To me, the Orokin are clearly meant to have bleached-white/stone-like skin. So I'm wondering if something is wrong with my eyes of everyone has been seeing a blue tint this whole time! lol
When trailer to the new war dropped and it became apparent that we will play as grineer, corpus and Teshin as well as the operator (of crouse) There were the kuva sun disks shown and Erra saying "I know you..." I started to suspect that this time, us - the player will be targetted by the weird side of the warframe lore. That somehow Sentients and Ballas figured out that the unseen "will power" that moves the operators and now even a grineer trooper a corpus engineer and Teshin, that they somehow will address the player directly and perhaps try to complicate stuff for us. We alreadty had instances of first person gameplay, like in the Lavarian musem or that one detective mission for mis NIght. I do see it as missed opportunity, but maybe this card could be played in the future storyquest. Maybe the one when w will confront the man in the wall xD
Hey Tetris love your videos bro, appreciate all the work you put in. Just wanted to comment and say that Kahl refers to Pazuul as "dead worm" but with a "head like animal". Could this not aslo be describing the dead Grineer queen? as she was referred to as the worm queen beforehand, and even makes a point to call the smaller of the twin queens "Worm" whenever she takes to belittling her. I didn't see the connection between Errah and the "dead worm" clue we got from Kahl. I was under the impression that archon we see in the broadcasts is absolutely made from Errah , but is not Pazuul. That was my following anyway; great stuff as always.
Thank you GreatSage! So to answer that theory, yes the living queen is referred to as the worm queen, but that's likely just the same word being used in two different places. Erra/Ballas worked with Aled V for a time, but we never saw grineer-sentient amalgams. It would be strange for Kahl to be speaking metaphorically of the grineer queens when he has a literal subject that matches the description with the Archon Pazuul (and Kahl only ever refers to the queens as "the queens"). "Worms" in this case must just mean Sentients, but three syllable words are hard for Kahl. Lastly, and this is the more boring explanation, he has a nametag. When the transmissions like it names the archon "Pazuul". and in-game audio files are labeled Pazuul. So it is pretty settled that Pazuul is the Erra-Archon
@@SocraTetris Technically, the Wolf of Saturn Six would be a Grineer-Sentient Amalgam, though the Wolf never worked with the Grineer to begin with. You even fight him in the Break Narmer tiles in Kahl's Garrison. Also another thing, I thought Archons are created by Ballas and Erra. Who put Pazuul on Erra? Hopefully that mystery gets solved either in Duviri or some update after that.
@@SocraTetris it'd also be cool to see the grineer and corpus unionize, especially since in the story rn the only ones that are focused on are the ones connected to kuva or granum, and the "normal" ones have pretty much all moved to the back burner. itd be cool if some of them got together and made a whole new friendly faction.
Must be on some kind of heavy drug to think any person from Antifa can be a “super soldier”. Bunch of larpers who suck ass at running an “autonomous” zone, use minorities as shields from criticism, and weep such cowardly tears when arrested, claiming innocence when moments prior they were videotaped setting fire to businesses and assaulting residents of a town that they themselves do not come from because they are nothing more than a bunch of entitle middle class brats who go to minority communities to trash them and ruin the livelihoods of the decent people who live there.
Does Khal understand sarcasm? Every now and then some stuff he said to Kaeli(the daughter in case I misspelled that) almost sounds sarcastic but I really don't know if grineer know sarcasm. Other than that I really enjoy missions that have Kahl he's like the embodiment of 80's action heroes never afraid to risk it all for his brothers
I think he does. He's pretty sassy, and argues circles around Kaeli to get her to go along with his plan. Even if his words are simple, he's communicating a wide variety of intentions. That opening quote I 100% believe is a sarcastic response. (I did splice it out of context for the intro though.)
That would be an interesting choice. I think they probably would not want to split the fanbase by starting a second game-as-service that competes with themselves. But as they switch over to Soulframe, they may release a standalone video game that capstones the Warframe story. (I say that because that it what I want for when that happens years out from now).
@@SocraTetris yeah, but it would be cool to have the game we have now on an engine like unreal 5 designed for current gen and with a whole new system to explore instead of continuing to fatten up the game we already have. my only worry is a destiny 2 situation where they have to remove huge pieces of content in order to continue to build upon the game
i think that captain Vor is that one whom resurected Erra... he got acces to void and he should seen everything happening via newly captured soldiers by neural centry of Orokin towers or directly acces memories of those. Or maybe straight up via void it self. Those biblical references fits to Vor perfectly and his godlike attitude of speaking with Tenno may lead to my suggest. Also DE shouldn't miss such a good meme material
@@SocraTetris i meant he pulls the strings now. It kinda fits in with biblical references. I thouhgt about Man i the Wall bu his only interference with Origin sytem was helping Zarriman orphants. Like a child whom topled domino brick (helping tenno) and than just watch what happens. I dont think his apearance in the end of New War was clue to whom pulls the strings. And if Vor exists within void as he claims that huge void spacetime rip could draw his attention as did to MitW. Maybe Vor could find out that many Greneer finaly stop obey the Queen and he could finaly continue in his goal of making greneer fertile again and establishing his own domain. Even when he couldnt see it via void he could find it out through captured solders by neural sentry. Remeber neural sentry is not even trying to fight with him and even raise spawn when he spawns (if its still a thing). And man of his ambitions and goals sitting in the void towers (mabe partialy due to his connection to void and "need" for it) just ask not if but when he show his ugly had again. And i think void aftelife is becase it brought back Margulis/Lotus/Natah and Vor him self he was "reborn" as he said. Margulis was indirectly brought back (not saying resurected) by possibility that you can change what happensans via void as operators do. And Vor was "stained" by void alot.
I do forgive the Entrati family for not helpinflg during the new war since the Heart is were us tenno get our void powers from right? If that were to be destoryed we wouldnt shine as bright
I think duviri is a landscape that is created by the child king The child king is (if i got this right) one of the zariman children but he didnt ever get rescued... instead he used his void powers to turn the story of duviri in a book of his into a real place in the void and the child king also affects duviri with his raw emotions and creates a constant cycle in duviri that is endless for his own sick amusement... Oh and many if not almost all of the citizens of duviri are actually from the zariman itself meaning that many of them survived (i think)
I dont think you read too deeply about Kahl calling Kaeli "blue girl" as references to godlike figures. As we know, the Orokin achieved a form of immortality thru continuity, were clad in gold and white, and were the most elite among origin system society. I totally buy it.
Depends on which name you mean. and at what point in history you are speaking it. Perhaps you are saying these words wrong and simply think you know better. Ra is Ray. Though occasionally i do accidentally say celtic as sehl-tik rather then kehl-tik
Small correction, the Hindu Trimurti is Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma. Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu, rather than a separate god, and his association with compassion is part of Vishnu's role in maintaining spiritual "rightness".
While in Shaivism Shiva is considered to be the greatest of the 3 and takes on the role of creator and destroyer, in most beliefs the creator god is Brahma.
This also ties the Trimurti together cyclically, as Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva make up the creator, maintainer and destroyer throughout the kalpik cycles
Ah, I see. Admittedly, researching this one was difficult for me, because I was seeing different sources saying describing them in different ways, most assuredly from different sects of belief that didn't really identify themselves as sects. Just as Hinduism. Please confirm for me, but reviewing my footage, I believe I labeled each of the Trimurti correctly in the visual. And in the script I did not say Krishna was one of the Trimurti. Just that the depiction of blue skin is most often seen with Vishnu, Shiva, and Krishna (which may also be an inaccurate thing for me to say). I will update the description to include some of the sources I was using, because my focus was more on researching the language used in the Rig Vedas and the art history.
@@SocraTetris You're labeling is definitely correct. You're right, you just listed them as sharing blue skin, I think it just stood out to me to hear 2 out 3 listed together as well as 2 forms of Vishnu in the same list and jumped the gun a bit.
It's definitely a difficult area to study, as it's a complicated cosmology with conflicting accounts from different groups. Generally speaking there are 4 main sects though.
Vaishnavism, which holds Vishnu as the supreme deity and worships him and his 10 incarnations, in particular there are many stories about Krishna and Rama which are emphasized a lot. They have a focus on sharing your earthly pleasures with Vishnu, it's common to offer food to statues or paintings of a Vishnu to taste before you eat it yourself. I have some experience with a Vaishnavist group in my country so it's the one I have the most experience with.
Shaivites, who hold Shiva as the supreme deity and generally believe that he is the one who created the universe. It has a focus on dualism and the acceptance of all things. In order to become closer to Shiva one might fast or meditate on the streets for extended periods of time with the aim of mastering ones body and emotions, to accept all of Shiva's creation, be it positive or negative.
Shaktism and Smartism I'm much less familiar with.
Shaktism introduces the idea of a cosmic feminine force known as Shakti from which everything originates, which is personified in the tridevi of Lakshmi, Kali and Parvati/Durga. But beyond that I don't know much.
Smartism seems much more like western polytheistic religions, like Greek or Roman, in that it doesn't try to make any singular god the most important, instead people worship multiple gods for various reasons. That's about all I know about it.
@@3ormore644 perfect! Thank you for the information! That will definitely help me in the future
Krisna is separate in Krisnavaism and only connected to Visnu somewhat in Gaurya Vaishnavism, so in a way some beliefs dictate this.
Khal is such a compelling protagonist that you can’t help but root for him
Truth!
What makes Khal great is that he was just a normal rank-and-file grunt but became a badass when the call came now he is rescueing his brother and sisters from the Narmer control.
I hope we see more of him in the future
@@tenyearsinthejoint1 and I hope with clem !!
Khal's ability to stay respectful to Kaelli while she's constantly insulting him and talking down to him is so impressive. Dude is here to save Brothers and he's not going to let petty arguments or ego get in the way of that.
He gets his own licks in now and again. It can be hard to hear sarcasm in a Grineer's tone of voice, but i tried to include it
It wasnt really Better back with the queens, at least kaelli cares about him
Kaelli can get it infested or not
It's because that's all the orders received from his superiors
istg kaelli is such a bitch to him
One of my favorite part is sometimes when you complete a mission Pazuul says "Mission complete great job" in an angry tone like he's trying to mock the lotus.
Just like siblings, amirite?
@@SocraTetris Yeah, it's so childish.
i think he says "objective achieved, well done". but yeah it's funny af.
I understand why the Entrati’s couldn’t help, even if a necramech or two would have been nice. Almost everyone in the Origin System believes Deimos is a dead end, any possible gain consumed by the Infestation long ago. If Narmer had suspected it was anything other than a trash heap, they would have sent something to investigate. And the Heart is, in a way, what allowed Narmer to fall- it kept the Void open, which let the Drifter through and made sure Operator could get back/use their Warframes. No Heart, and the Tenno may have truly died off.
I like to think that the family chose not to send help because they didn’t want to endanger us further by cutting off our use of Warframes.
It absolutely makese sense strategically. Would have liked to see something alluding to that during The New War quest as well, but that would also have made the quest's narrative less tight/cohesive. Also, we don't know how the infested interact with Sentients. If Sentients are vulnerable, it may not have been viable for them to target deimos in the first place
@@SocraTetris In Operation Plaguestar, we are told that the sentients are immune to the infestation. It's probably due to the nature of the infestation and the fact that just about the entirety of Deimos was transformed by it that everyone, including the sentients, believed that that's all there was.
Sentients are immune to Infestation because of their adaptivity.
Now i actually wonder what if there was a strain that was so aggressive in infesting stuff that it would introduce ifested sentients
Khal is a awsome character. An embodyment of sheer force of will. In warframe lore grineer are made to be unable to refuse orders from superiors by genetic encoding. We learn this from clems intro quest. Clem is immune because of his genetic defect. Khal had to overcome it purely by force of will and expirience. Add into this the viels from the new war that literally weaponize someones memories and we can see that khals sheer force of will is insane. The only 2 other characters that had the sheer force of will to break free from the viels were teshin and the drifter. Its amazing to think khal has force of will matching teshin and the drifter/operator. Also his dedication to newfound brothers and sisters is awsome
It is impressive, but most grineer actually have thaf willpower. in the Simaris Imprint heavy gunner, a whole platoon of grineer trick and Orokin into surrendering a cruiser ship
It's nice to see someone stepping up to fill the void of detailed warframe lore analysis, since Desiege died there hasn't been much efforts there. You go very far in depth, looking into not just what is presented but the underlying ideals and philosophies in a way I highly appreciate. I'm hopeful that you'll continue to give such excellent insight into the future! Good work!
I definitely don't deserve the comparison, but thank you!
Wait, what? I could well be mistaken and have accidentally looked up the wrong channel, but it doesn't seem like desiege died?
He posted a new video 4 days ago
I like how you occasionally chime in with your own interpretation of events, and what happened in between what we see and are told. I wasn't thinking about why the Entrati were so quiet during the Narmer Invasion, and many players probably didn't either, but you still did it!
I always look forward to your uploads!
Thank you, thetuerk! Glad you are enjoying them!
I did know the ancient statues of rome and greece were painted, but if they were painted in the way you showed in your video I am now amazed at the realism of the ancient artists that did so. The forms themselves are so realistic and distinctive already, but wow!
their dedication to anatomy in their statues is really what set hellenist statues and the inherited art style as unique from other sculpture styles. It something i look to when i think on how ancient man was no less intelligent than we are; they simply had less technology and invention at their disposal.
@@SocraTetris I was always impressed that they were able to make...anything, really...without the aid of advanced technology!
The Khal of Duty weekly missions are kinda scuffed, but Khal as a character is easily one of my favorite in the entire game.
I loved them for a while, but one can only do the same 3 things repeatedly for so long. Their clunkier movement just doesnt have the same inherently-fun feel of the warframes.
@@SocraTetris for me the biggest gripe i have with it is specifically the Veil Factory mission, where u have to run the gauntlet in second half. Mobs 2-3 shot you, single shot 1.5 sec reload shotgun, swarmed from all sides... it is scuffed. And once you get past it the "boss" Raknid at the end you can stand still and facetank for 10 sec straight. It is scuffed
oh yeah, i basically looked for the fastest way to just run past them all withiut engaging. The enemies have scripted entries before that actively follow, and they all stay on the geound floor. So I just made a path running along the walls to skip the whole fight. save it all for the boss
Nice joke
Kahl, Clem, and wolf of saturn 6....god tier badass grineer clones
Dont forget to out Tyl Tegor in that list. dude was a teleporting punch-scientist
Another great video! I enjoy Warframe's lore and to see it being covered in much detail is awesome to see. Keep up the good work!
You know I will~!
love these vids! think i've binged all of the warframe lore videos while playing the game over the last few days and i'm more hyped than ever for the story to continue
Glad to have you Lagger! I will be making a Duviri video, but it's proving to be a gargantuan effort. My hope is to drip it before Warframe 1999's release if possible
In the Archon hunt Spy mission there is dialogue from Pazuul/Erra that sounds a little more like Erra than Pazuul. But idk, that's just what I thought it felt like after hearing that dialogue.. (I don't remember the dialogue right now, but having all the lines from Pazuul from all the Archon hunt mission types may be an interesting addition.. Also the Kahl/Blue girl transmissions on the garrison)
For sure. I reviewed all the audios when choosing which ones to include, and absolutely there are lines that sound like Erra. and Lotus clearly is feeling remorse for what has happened
I haven’t heard all of them but I do remember this one from spy, “Tenno I’m truly sorry, I saw the truth to late and everyone payed the price, my sister… she’ll never forgive me, but you will… won’t you…?”
@@Null82085 the way that dialogue is recorded is like a punch to the soul. Erra sounds like a child. He almost sounds like a sibling that got in serious trouble and is saying, "Mom and dad are so pissed at me right now, and I don't know if they'll ever forgive me. But you still love me...don't you?" It's that small pause, that betrayal of how alone and isolated and scared they are in that moment. Because you could say, "No, I'll never forgive you for this..." It's absolutely heartbreaking.
I love your in depth videos about warframe about what things mean or what it's inspired by. Awesome videos that give me such an insight that it changes my prospective on the story.
Glad you like them!
i cannot wait for what you will bring for duviri paradox!
me too! i hope it's big.
I freaking love your content and I love the format of your lore. Such incredible insight to the blue skin too!! Can't wait for the future of your videos socra!
Thank you! I'm glad you found some value in that section. I was a little worried about it, because it's such a sensitive topic and I have no idea if these were conscious or unconscious moves by the writers. So yes, I'm glad it came across as informative
20:23 And Ostron Civic class and Solaran Labor class. Can’t forget Horrek and Chipper. Plus, Olvar D and Jarka.
I think Solaris definitely got the closest to Jiang Hue, but were also a tad revolutionary for that. Yet they were also revolutionary in a way that , while critical of Capitalism, doesn't quite have enough to raise them to a communist themed faction.
I like the idea of clearing quests and delivering story, but
Brother you've missed rare cache at 30:00, left side.
I was listening to everything, maybe even bit "too everything :P "
Haha, can't argue with you. i wasnt really focused on gameplay while i was recording these
Bro is legendary he’s replied to almost every comment
I do my best. I dont get notifications for replies, and sometimes youtube misses one. Thank you for noticing, Carson!
@@SocraTetris I’m honestly a big fan I’ve watched so much of your content it’s honestly really helpful for understanding things I sometimes didn’t and honestly overall the best lore explainer I’ve ever seen on RUclips
you're too kind :D
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One thing that still has me thinking Pazuul really isn’t Erra anymore is the Narmer Archon tileset for the Corpus. We see a new Sentient body being constructed, one similar to Erra’s. I believe Pazuul is just Erra’s reincarnated body, with Erra now in his new body built by Narmer corpus instead.
Why would Narmer build Erra new body after he betrayed them/Ballus?
@@SocraTetris I mean, the body can be seen before he (Erra) betrays Narmer, as two of the Archon hunts occur prior to the betrayal, on a Corpus installation that was ran by Alad V and already possessed facilities to research and develop Sentient advancements as it was from when Alad V had his deal with Natah. Isn’t that much of a stretch that Erra would have upgrades being worked on. I mean, even his New War form possesses Kuva in the eyes and I believe the torso, something not found in earlier forms of him. I’d hazard a guess to say that due to his access to it, likely due to Ballas, he could potentially perform something akin to Continuity by taking over a new sentient form.
Erra didn't have any betrayals until The New War. Sure he was deceiving Nataj, but the sentients and Ballas were all on his side. The Amalgams were part of thr plan to make the Archons. (Mixing Sentients with corpus before copying the Zanuka project and mixing Sentients with Warframes.) Alad V betrayed his deal without exposing himself by feeding info about Rapololyst to the Tenno
Also, Erra's eyes are just kinda red, and were reflecting a ton of fire. Where is the confirmation that that was Kuva?
@@SocraTetris That is what I am saying, in the New War quest we can see the body on the tileset for Nira if you choose to fight her as one of the first two Archons. Also no, his eyes were not “kinda red” previously. Check the Erra quest where we see his “death” on Lua. Compared to the New War form he is lacking both the of the “eyes” and the strange red sphere within his chest cavity. We know Kuva can be used to control people, and that at least for the Kuva Scepter it seemed to glow when being used, similar to Erra’s eyes when putting the Ostron child and Kahl into trances. Admittedly it could also be similar to the Narmer technology, those strange golden transmitters of sorts which interact with the veils. But I still believe those could’ve been created with Kuva as a key element. Honestly, the Veils just seem to be modified Corrupted control devices from the Neural Sentries of Orokin Towers. Instead of being tied to a Tower possessing Temple Kuva, they are tied to Ballas/Narmer. We do know Temple Kuva can be used to control/connect to creatures, as the Unum did to scout the Plains and to find the Sentient before it could destroy the tower, a plan which ultimately backfired due to Sentients being able to make use of the Kuva.
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I'm glad you are enjoying them, King Bradley!
Honestly i was a little pissed that as we fly out with the rail jack the grineer take control of the turrets and fight of boarders as your tenno flys it. maybe once or twice stopping to deal with a threat that you and your brothers can't or have a heard time dealing with.
Kahl is such a cool guy he literally gained the respect of our operater enough to camp with them and use the railjack at least to escape situations. Also love how kahl immediately connected the dot with the railjack and our tenno. No idea how he knew about the railjack but i like how you can hear the immediate "oh crap" of hearing it because he knows what we've done
Wise beyond his grammar
14:46 Just saying, easily about a hundred or two could. Least for the railjack. Then just shuttle them.
This man is just a living library that explains game lore with religious connections
more than just religious stuff, but i do my best to channel the library whenever possible. (lots of research into things I'm vaguely aware of)
I'm not sure if I'm stating the obvious but I it's probably just a coincidence. As you said blue is used to show Godlike people and creatures. Blue girl, apart from having a blue tone, she's also from the Entranti Family. Which is part Orokin and Orokin also has a blue skin tone. Orokin in game are known as Gods as well
right, they definitely staged themselves that way. It makes me curious how far back the motif has been used in Warframe. To me, the Orokin are clearly meant to have bleached-white/stone-like skin. So I'm wondering if something is wrong with my eyes of everyone has been seeing a blue tint this whole time! lol
I know it's not him who plays Khal's voice, but I can't help but hear Sylvester Stallone voice every time Khal speaks or grunts 😅
That slower, measured pace is very reminiscent. i agree
Just watched and noticed you got music from Haven 🙏🏾💪🏾 good breakdown tho dig the content!!
Yes! Thank you!
i blame stalker and hunhow for pazu, erra died before and hunhow knew about archon before they appeared.
I sure hope you're able to save Erra and patch up the Tenno's little (big) family.
me too, Draco
Came for the Warframe stayed for the abrupt foray into the Hindu religion
That's how we do it in my house 😎
When trailer to the new war dropped and it became apparent that we will play as grineer, corpus and Teshin as well as the operator (of crouse) There were the kuva sun disks shown and Erra saying "I know you..." I started to suspect that this time, us - the player will be targetted by the weird side of the warframe lore. That somehow Sentients and Ballas figured out that the unseen "will power" that moves the operators and now even a grineer trooper a corpus engineer and Teshin, that they somehow will address the player directly and perhaps try to complicate stuff for us. We alreadty had instances of first person gameplay, like in the Lavarian musem or that one detective mission for mis NIght. I do see it as missed opportunity, but maybe this card could be played in the future storyquest. Maybe the one when w will confront the man in the wall xD
i would actually prefer warframe to not go meta or break the fourth wall like that. lol
It would be so cool if we could get our own murex or at least sentient themed rooms for the dojo
for now we are stuck with building rooms out of the decoration pieces
Hey Tetris love your videos bro, appreciate all the work you put in. Just wanted to comment and say that Kahl refers to Pazuul as "dead worm" but with a "head like animal". Could this not aslo be describing the dead Grineer queen? as she was referred to as the worm queen beforehand, and even makes a point to call the smaller of the twin queens "Worm" whenever she takes to belittling her. I didn't see the connection between Errah and the "dead worm" clue we got from Kahl. I was under the impression that archon we see in the broadcasts is absolutely made from Errah , but is not Pazuul. That was my following anyway; great stuff as always.
Thank you GreatSage! So to answer that theory, yes the living queen is referred to as the worm queen, but that's likely just the same word being used in two different places. Erra/Ballas worked with Aled V for a time, but we never saw grineer-sentient amalgams. It would be strange for Kahl to be speaking metaphorically of the grineer queens when he has a literal subject that matches the description with the Archon Pazuul (and Kahl only ever refers to the queens as "the queens"). "Worms" in this case must just mean Sentients, but three syllable words are hard for Kahl.
Lastly, and this is the more boring explanation, he has a nametag. When the transmissions like it names the archon "Pazuul". and in-game audio files are labeled Pazuul. So it is pretty settled that Pazuul is the Erra-Archon
@@SocraTetris Technically, the Wolf of Saturn Six would be a Grineer-Sentient Amalgam, though the Wolf never worked with the Grineer to begin with. You even fight him in the Break Narmer tiles in Kahl's Garrison. Also another thing, I thought Archons are created by Ballas and Erra. Who put Pazuul on Erra? Hopefully that mystery gets solved either in Duviri or some update after that.
I love Kahl sm, I'm so glad DE turned him into an antifa supersoldier. I'm excited to see where his story leads.
I'm hoping his story ends in overthrowing the other Grineer Queen. would be so epic
@@SocraTetris it'd also be cool to see the grineer and corpus unionize, especially since in the story rn the only ones that are focused on are the ones connected to kuva or granum, and the "normal" ones have pretty much all moved to the back burner. itd be cool if some of them got together and made a whole new friendly faction.
Antifa?? Man he's a gigachad with molotov's
Must be on some kind of heavy drug to think any person from Antifa can be a “super soldier”. Bunch of larpers who suck ass at running an “autonomous” zone, use minorities as shields from criticism, and weep such cowardly tears when arrested, claiming innocence when moments prior they were videotaped setting fire to businesses and assaulting residents of a town that they themselves do not come from because they are nothing more than a bunch of entitle middle class brats who go to minority communities to trash them and ruin the livelihoods of the decent people who live there.
@@SocraTetris *looks around* you mean queens.
Does Khal understand sarcasm? Every now and then some stuff he said to Kaeli(the daughter in case I misspelled that) almost sounds sarcastic but I really don't know if grineer know sarcasm. Other than that I really enjoy missions that have Kahl he's like the embodiment of 80's action heroes never afraid to risk it all for his brothers
I think he does. He's pretty sassy, and argues circles around Kaeli to get her to go along with his plan. Even if his words are simple, he's communicating a wide variety of intentions. That opening quote I 100% believe is a sarcastic response. (I did splice it out of context for the intro though.)
I swear kahl better be promoted or something, he’s a one grineer army
Not sure Kahl can get a higher rank that leader and founder of his own faction, haha
@@SocraTetris i swear he deserved a higher rank than vay hek when he was with the grineer
I give every bit of respect to my boy Kahl. This is where the true resistance begins
truth
they have to be setting up warframe 2 in the tau system atp
That would be an interesting choice. I think they probably would not want to split the fanbase by starting a second game-as-service that competes with themselves. But as they switch over to Soulframe, they may release a standalone video game that capstones the Warframe story. (I say that because that it what I want for when that happens years out from now).
@@SocraTetris yeah, but it would be cool to have the game we have now on an engine like unreal 5 designed for current gen and with a whole new system to explore instead of continuing to fatten up the game we already have. my only worry is a destiny 2 situation where they have to remove huge pieces of content in order to continue to build upon the game
@@wileyftc4472 it is on current gen
Bruh it's been a year and we still don't know nothing about pazuul?
i'm sure he'll show up in the finalé. Or he's the seed for the Post- Man In The Wall story arch
i think that captain Vor is that one whom resurected Erra... he got acces to void and he should seen everything happening via newly captured soldiers by neural centry of Orokin towers or directly acces memories of those. Or maybe straight up via void it self. Those biblical references fits to Vor perfectly and his godlike attitude of speaking with Tenno may lead to my suggest. Also DE shouldn't miss such a good meme material
I don't think the Archons/Narmer-Sentient faction is related to the Void. The Void isn't an afterlife. It's more of an origin point.
@@SocraTetris i meant he pulls the strings now. It kinda fits in with biblical references. I thouhgt about Man i the Wall bu his only interference with Origin sytem was helping Zarriman orphants. Like a child whom topled domino brick (helping tenno) and than just watch what happens. I dont think his apearance in the end of New War was clue to whom pulls the strings. And if Vor exists within void as he claims that huge void spacetime rip could draw his attention as did to MitW. Maybe Vor could find out that many Greneer finaly stop obey the Queen and he could finaly continue in his goal of making greneer fertile again and establishing his own domain. Even when he couldnt see it via void he could find it out through captured solders by neural sentry. Remeber neural sentry is not even trying to fight with him and even raise spawn when he spawns (if its still a thing). And man of his ambitions and goals sitting in the void towers (mabe partialy due to his connection to void and "need" for it) just ask not if but when he show his ugly had again. And i think void aftelife is becase it brought back Margulis/Lotus/Natah and Vor him self he was "reborn" as he said. Margulis was indirectly brought back (not saying resurected) by possibility that you can change what happensans via void as operators do. And Vor was "stained" by void alot.
1:02 song please
An original song made for this channel by John Frasca, guitarist of Rogue Theory. Instagram handle in the description. 👍🏾
Hey wait a fucking second we never encountered the deer wtf !
A secret Deer
I do forgive the Entrati family for not helpinflg during the new war since the Heart is were us tenno get our void powers from right? If that were to be destoryed we wouldnt shine as bright
Imma say yes
What if the man in the wall is Duviri???
🤔... Probably not. I thought Duviri was the name of your horse. Edit: I looked ot up, and its the name of the place.
I think duviri is a landscape that is created by the child king
The child king is (if i got this right) one of the zariman children but he didnt ever get rescued... instead he used his void powers to turn the story of duviri in a book of his into a real place in the void and the child king also affects duviri with his raw emotions and creates a constant cycle in duviri that is endless for his own sick amusement...
Oh and many if not almost all of the citizens of duviri are actually from the zariman itself meaning that many of them survived (i think)
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Khal absolutely my goat, ten toes down standing on business he will get shit DONE
100, i hope we see more of him in the future
Killtacular kahltacular KILLIONAIRE
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Nice
Very nice
It's supposed to be Ah-Moon and Ah-Moon Raw
I looked up a lot of pronunciation guides, and I'm pretty sure the more correct pronunciation is A-mehn-Ray
I dont think you read too deeply about Kahl calling Kaeli "blue girl" as references to godlike figures. As we know, the Orokin achieved a form of immortality thru continuity, were clad in gold and white, and were the most elite among origin system society. I totally buy it.
Thank you, Mathew! That is validating :)
The khal stealth missions are the worst
I love them. Speedrun challenge
Imagine Khal as a Kuva Lich
Imagine Clem as a Kuva Lich
@@SocraTetris i can only imagine the horror…
Please note that it’s pronounced RA, not RAE
You're gonna hate to learn that you learned the pronunciation wrong. It's Rae, not rah. Coptic language, babe
Bro has a decided that it is morally wrong to say names correctly
Depends on which name you mean. and at what point in history you are speaking it. Perhaps you are saying these words wrong and simply think you know better. Ra is Ray. Though occasionally i do accidentally say celtic as sehl-tik rather then kehl-tik
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Kaelli seems racist
Well. she was Orokin. but she's getting better