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Happy channel anniversary! Keep up the amazing work! I'm so glad I stumbled onto your channel by accident! You make things so digestible and quickly shove information into our brains I feel like I'm actually catching up on all the comic stuff I've missed without having to watch hours of content! I'd honestly love to see you do a short on how The Punisher compares and contrasts to Red Hood.
Batman is the best role model to handle bad guys, flash is the best to handle broken ppl. DC is sometimes better than Marvel, and sometimes Marvel is better.
@@johanebrown1764 The Punisher said that to the cops. Captain America is his role model, he didn't even fight back when Cap beat him up, and so he told the cops that they should look up to Cap instead. It's not just because they're in the Marvel universe, it's because Cap is specifically his idol.
To be fair the problem can go a lot higher than every day police officers. They can do their job and arrest the worst criminals in the world, but when corrupt, or even naive judges just give them a slap on the wrist and let them go for them to go and do more horrendous things you can't blame the police officer in that scenario. Wanting justice to be done while those with the power to make those decisions just let terrible things happen it's enough to become disillusioned with the justice system and to support a figure like Frank Castle who does what he deems necessary regardless of how it's viewed legally and the consequences he would face as a result on acting upon his desires for justice.
One of my favorite facts about the Punisher is that he looked up to Captain America when HE was serving overseas but when he finally got to meet him Cap proceeded to absolutely lay INTO him, chewing him out, saying how Frank was an absolute slap in the face to everything Cap stood for. Steve proceeds to beat the shit out of him and when he asks Punisher to fight back, Frank is just so emotionally destroyed that he replies "Not against you" because he can't bring himself to fight against someone he knows stands for True Justice. Real humbling moment for Punisher, which I assume this is at least somewhat of a nod to. EDIT: To give some context to this interaction, it happens during Civil War issue 7. Punisher asks to join Captain America's side & Steve reluctantly agrees to allow him to help despite how he personally hates Frank's brand of "justice". Later, some former villains show up to Cap's secret base hoping to join The Cause & The Punisher sees them, proceeds to go "Fuck no" & murders them. Cap arrives later & discovers what Frank did which causes him to flip out & beat Punisher to a pulp, all the while asking him to fight back if he was really convinced that he was in the right for killing them. However, Frank knew deep down that he was wrong & that Steve was right to hate him, so he responds "Not Against You" as a way of conceding "Yeah, if I'm on the other side of an argument with YOU, my literal Hero, then I'm a piece of shit & I deserve this".
No, but thats never stopped people from trying before. Cap was, is, Frank Castle's hero. And Frank Castle has been dead a very long time. @artursales259
@@artursales259He's supposedly one of the best hand to hand combatants in the universe. Like around Daredevil/Elektra level. It'd be a pretty tough fight, but Cap would win. I think its said that he's versed in every type of martial art.
@@Pardy2Harty not evil tho. In a context that barbarism is the only option (the institutions does not do their job anymore or are straight up corrupt), being a barbarian to the aggressors are not being evil. In a society that crimes are low, the aggressors answer for their crimes and no one is above the law (as much as possible) a punisher will not, and dont need to exist even. Castle is a anti hero, this trend of putting him as a villan or a bad guy is just propaganda against anti state sentiment and individualism, Castle is a batman that kills how could he not be a anti hero?
And he told them to look up to Captain America, who Frank himself idolizes. It's one of the best things they keep semi-consistent with Frank, is his absolute respect for Cap. Where, in one comic, Cap himself came to take Frank in, and where Frank DESTROYED everyone else who came at him at the same time, he refused to even throw a punch at Captain America.
@@TheStormbringer8751 where im from, Mexican construction workers have it. It just looks cool. Just because you've read an article doesn't make it true. They're motivated by clicks.
In a different comic from 2001 written by Garth Ennis there is a group called the vigilante squad. Each member killed who they thought were bad people. They expected Punisher to lead them, but when Punisher met them at the end he called one a lunatic, another a nazi, and then told the third about the innocents he actually ended up killing before murdering them himself.
Reminds me of Magnum Force. Harry Callahan does what he does against the book, but he still abides by the code of being a police officer. Then there were those three or four other cops who were going around San Francisco killing all the major criminals that were constantly getting away with their crimes. One of the cops got sacrificed in a shootout, and the other three confronted Harry later on about how hard it is to convict a cop for doing what they do. They eventually gave him the ultimatum, "You're either with us or against us," to which he replied, "I think you have misjudged me." I think they, along with their captain, expected Harry to see from their point of view and help lead them into cleaning up the city their way. As much as Harry hates the system, until someone comes up with a solution that makes sense, he chooses to stick with it (as quoted by him). In the end, he killed all three plus their captain. It sounds pretty similar. To me, anyway.
Bruh what? Can u tell me the name of the comics pls? I wanna read it. (btw, quick question, nazi???? he was killing only the black guys or he was former hydra soldier? pls tell me I need to know!!!)
The Punisher is an even more distilled version of the power fantasy: he's our desire to see the worst in humanity getting what's coming to them. More than a few of us imagine taking matters into our own hands when we read or hear about some human waste committing horrible acts. The Punisher is that desire made manifest.
made manifest and left with no restraint. Like yeah it's cathartic to see someone get what they goddamn deserve but when one guy gives himself the job of dispensing that punishment then it doesn't go well
@@GrullaMustang16 An acorn fell on a cop's squad car a month or so ago. The officer thought it was a gunshot (he had someone restrained in the back) and proceeded to bolt out of the car, flopping onto the ground. He mag-dumped the back of the vehicle (thankfully the frame was thick enough to protect the dude in the back), crawling away to a family's driveway as though he had been shot in the spine. While he was crawling over, he radioed for backup and, once he was able to, crawled behind the family's vehicle. Once he was there, he yelled at the family to stay in their house while going back to mag-dumping his squad car. The children of the (iirc, black) family were audibly freaking out, as in the footage that's been released of the event, you could hear them screaming in terror. The officer who started the whole thing eventually realized what actually happened, and you could practically the cogs turning in his head as he realized just how _monumentally_ he had messed up.
@@jeffreyfiegen1538 yea man that shit was crazy happen in my city I knew the who was shot at from school over 50 shot nun hit him cop was there cause the gf called the police saying she don't want him at the house but isnt a threat to no one the cop was able to put him the car peacefully no issue then did dat bs by the end of the day lawyers where calling the victim wanting tp help with lawsuit nice cop tho making a poor man rich in a day
My favorite moment of Jon Bernthals Punisher was when he was in that store trying to buy guns and everything. Extorting extra hush hush money on the guy giving him service. Only for the asshole to get greedy and was trying to convince Frank to buy more stuff despite him clearly walking away and no longer needing service. Then the guy reveals “I got exclusive tapes. One called she’s only 12” (or something to that effect) only for Frank to pause and realize “Oh a pedo? Welp… guess he’s gotta die”. Bro locked the doors, turned the sign from open to closed, slowly walked back, grabbed a bat causing dude to realize his brains were about to be bashed in then Frank swings as the scene cuts lol. Meaning he got all his equipment AND a money back guarantee.
You’re over-simplifying that scene. First of all you’re making the narrative that Frank is just looking for some type of justification for killing by saying “oh a pedo? well….guess he’s gotta to die”. When in reality the only reason he was killing criminals and people like that guy giving him service was for revenge. That’s the whole reason he was in NYC in first place to kill the Irish mafia because of their involvement in his family’s murder. And that pawn shop owner was already a criminal to begin with Punisher only killed him because he was trying to sell him a CP tape titled “She’s barely 12” which is around the same age his daughter was. Jon Bernthals Punisher isn’t a villain like in the comics he’s actually a good person who only kills people who deserve it like that pawn shop owner.
I think it’s ironic how cops Irl use the punisher logo and not Batman, the character who actively works with cops to stop violent criminals. It shows that the cops who use that logo either don’t understand Punisher as a character or are glamorizing killing people.
Considering Batman's main weapon is FEAR...idk if that's anymore of a good look than rocking the Punisher emblem. If anything, heroes like Superman and Spider-Man are frankly better role models.
@@nojusticenetwork9309ok those two are better role models, but they are seen (by them) as more corny than cool and don't neatly map onto the power fantasy of simply killing criminals, which seems to be what these kinds of cops are after
@@nojusticenetwork9309 Batman is the perfect cop. Solves crimes, and solves high risk situations without killing anyone. Sure, he goes a bit too hard on the intimidation factor, but in the end he does police work better than the police.
The one thing I have to disagree with is the notion that the Punisher is a Villain. There are many Killer-Vigilantes who try to do what the Punisher does and nearly all of them fail because they end up killing or attempting to kill individuals who are innocent. The Punisher goes out of his way to avoid civilian casualties. A perfect example is in the story arc "The Slavers" in which he attempts to take down a group of Slave Traffickers. In one scene, he realizes that going in guns blazing would result in the captive girls potentially getting killed in the crossfire. So, he drugs the soup, knocking out everyone, allowing him to gather girls in one safe location and kill the Slave Traffickers at his leisure. And then he called a social worker to take the girls somewhere safe. Many heroes are nowhere near as careful. In addition, there have only been a few times where The Punisher nearly killed an innocent, and every time he nearly committed suicide because he holds himself accountable to his own rules. Fortunately every time, those innocents either survived or were revealed to have been killed by someone else. He's not a good guy but he is definitely not a Villain. He is only a Villain to other Villains
The Punisher is an anti-villain within his mind. He is literally playing looter shooters. The Punisher is self-aware of his own actions. and despises those with authority who idolize and praise him.
I agree, that's why (despite Marvel doing everything they can to tarnish him) the Punisher is one of my favorite superheroes, he's just a guy with a gun, but he does everything he can to protect the innocent and ensures the bad guys wont hurt anyone ever again.
I would disagree. Frank Castle is a very broken man psychologically speaking. The main reason why he wages war against criminals is because they killed his family. It’s not done out of a sense of morality. Theoretically if some other group were to have killed his family (whether it be cops, doctors, etc), Punisher would definitely be going after them instead of criminals
People need to realize that Punisher Max is not the default version of Frank. Mainline Frank is actually a bit more well adjusted and willing to let some criminals off the hook.
@@sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595 I remember I saw a parody comic that has it where Punisher, Spiderman and another hero(can’t remember) are interrogating a criminal and Punisher just shoots the guy point blank and spiderman and the other hero are like “what was that?!” Punisher: He uhhhhh….illegally downloaded mp3s…. Spiderman then just takes a step back.
He was a villain because he was tricked by the Jackal ( Miles Warren) into targeting Spider-Man. Jackal had convinced Frank that Spider -Man was a threat and a villain himself. Do some research instead of putting out uncontested one liners.
@@acez6756Hell yeah America. Gonna put the stars n stripes over a Punisher Skull cuz it's badass. 😎 no I don't see anything wrong with that 😎 no I don't think that makes me look like a villain 😎 no I don't understand subtext and irony 😎 I'm a PATRIOT
This is why I hate anti heroes that are not self aware. They belive they're doing the right thing and sometimes even think they're morally superior to real heroes. (I'm looking at you peacemaker)
@@no.notfromRDR but anti-heroes are not villains. They're not synonymous. They both are their own separate things. Anti-heroes are anti-heroes. Villains are villains.
It literally is. Woke left wing comic writers hate that real world police and military think the punisher symbol is badass so this is their lame attempt at shooting (pun intended) it down
@@Robert-rw5lm Prosecutors work _with_ the cops, you're thinking of defense attorneys. Plus, a lot of the cops that like to use that symbol, seem to treat police as a perk of the job, rather than a violation of human rights and dignity. Then there's also the sheer number that are card-carrying members of hate groups.
@@Robert-rw5lmso they get to do what they want with people? But if I was to wrestle back with these “punisher” cops I’ll do years in prison? That to me seems like some type of commie government
As a police officer for a many many years, who is now a supervisor I totally get Frank Castle point. He’s not a good man. He’s not a nice guy. He’s an honorable man, but he’s not a nice guy and if you took an oath to uphold, you, hold it to the best of your ability even when you’re at the lowest.
The fact of killing "bad" people was never the punisher's motive, deep down Frank himself admits that he doesn't give a shit about it and that he only uses it as an excuse to lie to himself that he still has a purpose. Frank can kill people who deserve it but when he is done he simply looks for someone else because Frank hates the world and hates himself, if for some reason or miracle he could kill every evil person he would shoot himself afterwards. Frank kills "bad" people so he doesn't feel bad about being a homicidal psychopath.
It's worth noting that Punisher is _tolerated,_ he's barely respected. And that's the _best_ case scenario. At the end of the day though, Frank is pitied. He went through so much, and what he does is the only way for him to really let out his grief. And unlike guys like Spider-Man and Hulk, who took their pain and did something constructive with it, Frank decided to be destructive. It's what makes Punisher a real tragedy.
It’s a bit of a cop out (no pun intended) on the writers’ part. Punisher’s emblem is popular among cops and far-right because both groups’ true believers (that is, the non-grifters in the movement) believe society has devolved into lawlessness and requires a zero tolerance approach, similar to Punisher’s. It’s heart-wrenching to know that some punk who should’ve been locked up in a jail cell went on to victimize an innocent person trying to live their best life just because a shitty DA or weak judge decided to give the perp a slap on the wrist during an earlier arrest; it makes one lose faith in the system; that’s what Punishers is emblematic of. A loss of hope and faith in the system. And the system is *entirely* reliant on people having faith in it. At their core, cops *want* to enforce the law, protect their communities, and create a safe environment where people can flourish. It’s the crook-friendly justice system that lets criminals out on the streets and perpetuates lawlessness. Frank suffered from the effects of such a broken system; and countless real-life families have suffered even worse. So for Punisher’s writers to chastise people for idolizing someone like Frank, their attention should really be turned to the system that lets Frank’s methods make sense.
@@_LilRascal_ Most people who boast his symbol arent that deep. It's why it primarily on raised oversized trucks, police, military vehicles. It's so billy badass's can have something else besides monster stickers, & on sub counciess level shows a elementary level understanding of the character & wish to be judge dredd. But police doing it opens a can of worms, accountability in the country has been a joke for so long, them boasting that logo of all things rings a different tune if ya a minority. In a shoot first ask questions later culture, Punishers logo hits different when you see it on people who are in love with violence on the real world. Half the time they dont know Frank's name, before the tv it was less than 1/3rd. Im a fan so not only are they repackaging punishers logo for aurotherian purposes, but can even have geek talk when under the boot lol
I know what you mean, irl met a guy who's fairly bad, didn't know how bad until I looked him up. He has over 50 felonies and the d.a. won't prosecute him because of his skin color and Germanic name. Sickening.
The punisher is not a bad guy. He is a NECESSARY evil. The world needs more people like him, as much as he hates to admit it. The punisher has always done the right thing. And the doing the right thing isn’t always doing the nice thing. Batman could learn a thing or two from him.
@@whitepaws60 people understand the Hulk and he’s a giant rampaging monster...the problem with marvel is they tend to make all of there heros ever more ambiguous it seems but we are lead to believe the Punisher is the bad one
No. He’s NOT a bad guy. For fucka sake read Punisher Max. He’s not gonna shoot a random mugger; but definitely break his arm. That’s crazy you think he’s a Villian.
@@varelmarais2222Cap’s not a bad choice IRL either. He’s one of the only characters that can Superman in terms of sheer human decency. Might even be better than him in overall character.
@@MisterPeckingOrder cap is better imo because it's easy to be a good guy when your essentially a God, cap is just a trained soldier with increased strength agility and reflexes, still pretty normal
Here's the problem I have with calling Frank a villain. The fact that he is a former military soldier abandoned by the US government like every other veteran on the streets, and the laws and rights Frank fought to protect were used to denied him justice after his family was killed in front of him. Hell, in some of the Punisher's backstories his family dies directly because of a corruption, government conspiracy or a major fuck up. So tell me again how Frank is the villain, because he holds criminals responsible for their actions, when the government won't or flat out refuses to. The reason he doesn't want to be called a hero is because he has no remorse for his actions, he does not feel bad about taking out the scum of the earth, but he knows this which is why he tells people, if they want inspiration to do or be better, look to Captain America, a man Frank refuses to raise a fist against.
The punisher would shoot a guy in the head for breaking into an empty sandwich shop and stealing 400 bucks and a BLT. Frank has no interest in justice or holding anyone responsible. He just wants to hurt people who remind him of the people who hurt his family, that's why he's called the Punisher. You raise a valid point how the government has failed Frank as it fails many veterans but Frank almost never directs his anger at people in power who continue to fail veterans, he almosr never tries to uplift his fellow soldiers. He respects them of course but he didn't make his life's crusade about helping them. Frank is a villain and he knows it. He doesn't care about others too much, is happy to murder people who fit a specific criteria, and content with not doing much of anything to change the conditions of his fellow soldiers, and he has no interest in changing the conditions that create crime.
Correction * This is a retconn of the character. He has always held respect for cops, soldiers, and those who's job is to uphold order and help the world around them. Read his comics, don't just watch youtube.
@TheDarkAngel969 Yea I'm not a Marvel guy myself. That said, Punisher Armory is a great series where you trully see Castles inner thoughts and opinions.
He’s not against cops in this story, he’s disappointed that cops are acting like him. He wants the cops to save people, he wants the cops to be more like Captain America and less like him. Cops that try to be the Punisher end up being criminals themselves.
The person who needs to read comics is you he still respects cops he simply dislikes them prancing around idolizing him like he’s a hero or a good person when Frank really isn’t, his symbol isn’t something that people who take an oath to keep the peace and promote the law should have at all when it goes completely against the actions and character of Frank, the law failed him so he takes it into his own hands which is something cops should never do at all because it always ends in disaster
As an officer, I never understood why officers sported the skull logo. That logo can get you caught up. Get involved in a serious use of force or, worse, a shooting, and your character and possibly your mental state are going to be questioned, justified or not. I don't know how other departments do it, but our IAD would take photos of your weapon after a shooting, and some officers would have the Punisher on their magazine base plate. Military service member, I get, but never should it be displayed on any police equipment.
Thanks for this post! Just off the top off your head, when it came to bad shootings or excessive force, did it seem that those sporting the skull logo were in the wrong?
@@victorrain I’ve seen it on officers' weapons but have never personally seen any officer in a shooting who had it on their weapon. However, we’ve had officers with other questionable symbols on their equipment, and that symbol has caused courts to throw cases out. how it can hurt: Defense Attorney ask Officer Maxwell, is this your weapon on the screen? “What is that logo? So you take your job as though you're a violent comic book character? Are you the Punisher Officer Maxwell?” The defense attorney is embarrassing you in front of the jury. The jury looks at you in question. The way a defense attorney turned the case around from the defendant to you the officer. Now he starts prying into your history. Say if you had an incident of excessive force five years ago and another three years ago, now the Defense attorney is painting a picture. Punishes logo✅. Excessive Force ✅ The jury looks at you like you are unstable.
I mean he isn’t a straight up villain. He is a killer and even a murderer but he doesn’t kill the innocent. That is a foil for heroes and being an antihero, but that isn’t being a villain. At least not to everyone.
@natereacts312 he fights heroes, murders people, destroys building, and then never goes out of his way to save people. What exactly are his heroic traits?
@@Chunkium he does go out of his way to save people. Even in his roughest iteration in the max series he puts his life on the line through dangerous hellish situations to save a single child. He only fights heroes but he murders villains. He has his lines is the point. He’s a broken man but he has so much mettle and spine that a broke Frank castle is a force to be reckoned with. It’s like he died when his family died at the park and his life right now is his prolonged requiem.
@@Chunkium joker has lines because it’s a game to him. He doesn’t really have moral limits because that was the point of the Batman who laughs. He’s forces people to cook their babies in a pot and eat the soup. Franks become a force of nature. I don’t call a tiger released in a prison a villain.
You also have to remember the situation going on during this story. Frank was going after Hydra. He shredded that symbol because he did not want those officers to be dragged down with him.
I never liked the punisher, but I like this version of the character; he knows he isn't killing criminals because he wants to do the right thing, he just needs an outlet for his grief.
@@EmperorGuyverthere was a comic where ghost rider tries to use the penitence on the punisher but it doesn't work, solely because he never felt guilty for killing people. It's a old comic but it's what people use to say he's a "hero".
@@no.notfromRDR Where the hell did you get that from ? No one took that from that comic and no one who actually knows the character called him a hero Thats just completely false
Okay but to call the guy a “villian” seems a bit unfair, I mean I feel like too many people now a days have romanized the concept of an “Anti” hero. Frank is an Anti Hero, because as you noted in your video of Frank came and saw a person being mugged, he would shoot the mugger in the head. Thus helping the person who was being mugged. Of course this isn’t to say his methods are always great or even justified. But Frank is the embodiment of “Doing good but in a bad way” and I feel like not enough people talk about that. That’s what an anti hero has always been. Someone who does good but in the opposite way a stereotypical hero would. And lastly, say what you want about the punisher but rarely do people come across him and then go on to reoffend
@@painvillegaming4119 That was something I really hated when Marvel decided to put Deadpool in everything. They made him a major celebrity in universe which was odd considering how hated Punisher was. Wolverine however isn’t that respected in the marvel universe. I mean, they made sentinels for a reason.
I think its funnier that people think the logo is popular because of the punisher. Don't get me wrong punisher is maybe a c class character. The reason why the punisher logo is because of chris kyle the american sniper used it. Given he was praised as the american hero especially during that time between 2008 and 2013 where america was heavily into Afghanistan and the death of bin laden and the logo meaning "righting of wrongs" at least according to other seals served with chris kyle. I love punisher comics from war journal to the outlandish punisher kill the marvel universe but to say that the logo only became popular because of him is ridiculous. Punisher was/is a c class comicbook character. He doesn't have his own rouge's gallery like other characters in fact hes more popular now mostly because of the introduction of cosmic ghost rider. In fact cosmic ghost rider aolo series sold more copies then when he bacame leader of the hand and all that trivial stuff that went with that. And I believe now theres a new punisher whos a shield agent? I haven't read that series. There were multiple factors on why the symbol became popular.
I do not think Punisher is a bad guy as he still protects the innocent in a city where the law has failed and police cannot be counted on most of the time.
Technically he'd still be an anti-hero. He does the wrong thing for the right cause most of the time. I don't really follow his stories but he essentially does what Deadpool does but Deadpool knows he's killing imaginary people in a book while Frank sees them as actual people
That actually makes him an anti-villain, doing wrong things for the right reasons. Deadpool would be an example of an anti-Hero, someone who does good but for selfish reasons.
@@SickVoidno you have that wrong anti hero is someone who does the right thing from the right reason but doesn't go about it the same way a regular hero does
This is what people need to understand about The Punisher. I'm always reading comments of ppl saying one hero or another is Bad or w/e then state they should operate like The Punisher, It "Grinds my gears" to hear that (read that). So many ppl statements prove they have a very rudimentary understanding.
It's probably born from the same idea that our justice system can allow people who commit the worst crimes to walk away with a slap on the wrist, or nothing at all, especially due to bad arguments from the prosecution. It's not from the idea of "Grr, all criminals bad" but rather "Dang, some criminals aren't actually punished". This comic kind of misses that point. Or do you lot think Frank is fine with cops who let rapists (especially those whontarget kids) walk after a couple years of serving time?
@@therobustempyrean1436 Simply Franks is a serial killer at his worse. Yes he kills your pedoS, Mob Bosses and henchmen, dirty cops, drug dealers, he also has killed lot of ppl were good ppl with no choice or options, superheroes as well unless you're Captain America or Rhodey War Machine you're not off the table, to a men involved in domestic abuse, he's killed litterers , and red light runner. Even if you do the exact same thing he does u r on the list because even he knows what he does isn't right and when his job is done he'll kill himself. The Punisher was a Villain when he appeared. Any crime/criminal in his eyes are one step from sitting back and watching or killing his family yourself. They've tried to make him an anti-hero make you forget his origins with all the stories tht make you feel " oh, he's not so bad. And I agree with his actions." luckily there's always a comic story where they remind you how lost he is.
The punisher has always been one of those characters I never really liked, because he always seems to understand that what he's doing is wrong but he continues to do it and is mad that people want to follow suit same as him. Like bro, you're the influence here. Negative emotions are so easy to tap into but so hard to tap out of.
Now remember that he is a fictional character so I am not encouraging sewer slide but if he recognises he has a negative impact in the world and is always miserable why doesn't he "punish" himself? He's a real sad existance.
While it's tempting to use the easy jab of "unlike the real, existing Punisher", I get that what you are trying to say is that this is out of character. But still, it is not.
Is he? Is he really? Sure franks must've killed a countless amount of crooks, but any of the named villains that actually have weight to them? King pin or jigsaw or basically anyone even marginally more powerful/notable Punisher isn't gonna get to kill. Not in the main continuity anyway. Now instead of a no kill rule vigilantes like punisher'll always just get foiled or become incompetent.
@@d11asian its really not theyre pretty similar when it comes to being an anti hero. They're both brutal when it comes to doing what they believe in. Only thing i can say separates the two is Jason Todd still has a soul and heart to still care about others as we seen from him multiple times after being revived by the lazarus pit where as frank castle will absolutely send you straight to hell with no remorse and wasnt revived by something that twists your very personality and mind into something psychotic with each revival like in ra al ghul case from his addiction to the lazarus pit and jason todd explaining the effects of lazarus pit on the mind
@@sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595 after a while he became light and tame but before he was a complete menace. In Batman Arkham Knight we see Jason Todd as The Arkham Knight and he was brutal and willing to kill even Batman his own adoptive father just for standing in his way of protecting peace. Even as Red Hood Jason Todd was still pretty brutal due to the Lazarus pit making him slightly more prone to raging outburst and a worse temper. He even super heated his rubber bullets to the point of possible lethal casualty without thinking because he was still pretty brutal when he fights compared to Batman. In Gotham Knights we see how the Lazarus pit has affected Jason Todd's life as well as Jason himself explaining how dangerous it is and why it should be destroyed which Batman was revived through the Lazarus Pit and Damien Wayne was made lol. But seriously Jason Todd was just as brutal as frank castle if not slightly worse since he had literal military training and training from Batman who mastered every martial arts form that was still known and NOT lost to time. He even had his own group of people that he would use as an example and a really bad temper that would cause Batman to calm him down in their fight. Jason Todd is willing to kill anyone even if he doesn't have a reason to like them. Frank Castle is in the same boat as him to an extent though he was pushed into doing what he does where as Jason was Tortured by the joker, manipulated/reshaped mentally from the torture joker did to him, blown up few minutes before batman can save him, revived in the Lazarus Pit, fought batman to the death as Arkham Knight while batman wss still trying to save him. He's pretty much been thru it slightly more worse then Frank Castle when you think about it
Hes definitely no hero. Anti hero at best and I don’t see how the point this guy makes is affected by what you said. Cops glorifying someone who solves every problem with brutal violence isn’t something you’d wanna see
Cops shouldn't be claiming it to begin with. The Punisher literally represents the broken system. How can you idolize a person that represents the issue of a system you're upholding? 💀
@@InvertedBreadthe dude who made the short already explained it. Cops uphold the law and should believe in all people being treated fairly by it. Agreeing with someone who brutalizes people, legally innocent or not, is hypocrisy
@InvertedBread what doesnt happen irl? Cops idolizing the punisher? There's a cop a block away from me who has blue lives matter punisher flags on his truck, and lots of merch like that targeted at cops and cop lovers
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219If you actually engage your brain more often, you might realise that it's fine to understand why someone does what they do without having to agree with them. It's how profiling works. Now, walk along in your self righteous bubble of privilege.
I’ve always wondered why cops liked the Punisher more than Cpt. A. You’d think they would support the soldier more than the random vigilante that would delete them in an instant if they got in his way.
How is he a villain? Villains kill indiscriminately. Anti-heroes don't. The fact that dude said he's a villain, just shows how society loves to humanize and coddle criminals.
@@collinkhan4163 Depending on what type of crime said criminal committed. Society cares more about petty crimes than they do major crimes. The humanize and sensationalize hardcore criminals, but talk a lot of trash about petty criminals. It just doesn't make sense. That's why people keep committing crimes because society coddles them. Yes it is bad but on one hand, but on the other hand, it sends the message of, " what you did was bad, but it doesn't matter because we can just call it a mistake"
@@peteralexander6858 I think the problem is that society demonizes those who get CAUGHT, anyone whose been to prison is basically damned out of work forever to some people, but our society has so much media about commiting crimes without repercussions. People seem to have come to believe that being punished means you are no longer human, which is backwards frankly (I myself see a connection to Chistianity's hell damnation but wont claim a connection because that deserves more research to prove)
bestie you do realise that criminals are humans. right. you do realise that even the worst of us should have the chance to be rehabilitated, or at the very least be sentenced by a fair judge and a jury of their peers per the constitution? you do get how getting shot in the head at the first inkling that you are a criminal kinda puts a damper on that whole idea, right?
Eh, I see nothing wrong with it. Alan Moore talked about how he gets uncomfortable when people tell him how much they relate to Rorschach because while they think he is cool, the character is actually a fascist bigot. Unfortunately, a lot of people will consume media without really thinking about the characters in it. Often times, if people like a character they will make excuses for their philosophy and say that they identify with it, even if the philosophy is actually horrible (a good example homelander, as some people like watching him so they start to think he is right). There isn’t anything wrong with a writer saying “hey, this is still a bad guy.” It’s one thing to like a character and think they are cool, but you still need to acknowledge when they aren’t right.
@@phabiorules The thing you're missing is that when a writer does this it just drives the audience to like that character more out of spite. Homelander is an especially terrible example since the writers themselves have no clue what to do with him. One season he's george bush the next he's trump. He was terrifying in season 1 but after that the only appropriate reaction is to treat him as a shallow entertaining caricature because that's literally all he is anymore.
@@phabiorules Rorschach stuff is lame too. I literally couldn't care less what a self-proclaimed communist wizard thinks about objectivism or whatever, him writing an enjoyable story doesn't make his inane IRL politics any more convincing.
Bingo! Frank abandonded the law as his path. Police officers swore an oath to uphold it. Following the Punisher means to turn in the badge and gun and get off the police force. I agree with Frank's viewpoint in this scene. Vigilante or Cop, don't cross the streams.
Can you guys remember that when ghost rider used his guilt of hell power on frank it didn’t work because he has no guilt and doesn’t believe he did anything wrong
@@benjaminkitchen6257 he kills people without a fair trial or the legal protections cops have. So while he is not a villain, he is most definitely a criminal.
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I'd honestly love to see you do a short on how The Punisher compares and contrasts to Red Hood.
"You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America"
Or Superman.
@@chocov1233its marvel
Batman is the best role model to handle bad guys, flash is the best to handle broken ppl.
DC is sometimes better than Marvel, and sometimes Marvel is better.
@@johanebrown1764 yeah but like its the punisher it wouldn't make sense if he said superman batman or the flash because its the marvel universe
@@johanebrown1764 The Punisher said that to the cops. Captain America is his role model, he didn't even fight back when Cap beat him up, and so he told the cops that they should look up to Cap instead. It's not just because they're in the Marvel universe, it's because Cap is specifically his idol.
Cops : we're just like you
Punisher: im literally a murderer
I see no difference.
@@pingpong5877 American police only exist in America lil bro
@@pingpong5877they have fewer justified kills per year
Cringe @@pingpong5877
They're the same picture meme@@pingpong5877
Just a reminder, The Punisher HAS shot civilians before, even if it was by accident. This happened once during a fight with Daredevil.
616 or 1610. I only ask cuz in 1610 he did shoot Spiderman by accident which led to his death.
@@ibannash I'm pretty sure it was 616.
@@ibannash1610's Spidey is dead???? That's so sad.
@@ReiAyanami8what????? 616 doesn't have a Spidey then??? Isn't it the main continuity??
@@Segen_Bellnah, bro is just confused
I’ve always seen his dialogue to the cop as “you’re supposed to be better than me, so people like me don’t have to exist”
To be fair the problem can go a lot higher than every day police officers. They can do their job and arrest the worst criminals in the world, but when corrupt, or even naive judges just give them a slap on the wrist and let them go for them to go and do more horrendous things you can't blame the police officer in that scenario. Wanting justice to be done while those with the power to make those decisions just let terrible things happen it's enough to become disillusioned with the justice system and to support a figure like Frank Castle who does what he deems necessary regardless of how it's viewed legally and the consequences he would face as a result on acting upon his desires for justice.
One of my favorite facts about the Punisher is that he looked up to Captain America when HE was serving overseas but when he finally got to meet him Cap proceeded to absolutely lay INTO him, chewing him out, saying how Frank was an absolute slap in the face to everything Cap stood for. Steve proceeds to beat the shit out of him and when he asks Punisher to fight back, Frank is just so emotionally destroyed that he replies "Not against you" because he can't bring himself to fight against someone he knows stands for True Justice. Real humbling moment for Punisher, which I assume this is at least somewhat of a nod to.
EDIT: To give some context to this interaction, it happens during Civil War issue 7. Punisher asks to join Captain America's side & Steve reluctantly agrees to allow him to help despite how he personally hates Frank's brand of "justice". Later, some former villains show up to Cap's secret base hoping to join The Cause & The Punisher sees them, proceeds to go "Fuck no" & murders them. Cap arrives later & discovers what Frank did which causes him to flip out & beat Punisher to a pulp, all the while asking him to fight back if he was really convinced that he was in the right for killing them. However, Frank knew deep down that he was wrong & that Steve was right to hate him, so he responds "Not Against You" as a way of conceding "Yeah, if I'm on the other side of an argument with YOU, my literal Hero, then I'm a piece of shit & I deserve this".
That's awesome!
It's not like he has any chance of beating Cap in a battle right? But ok not fighting for free will and weight in mind is interesting to think about
No, but thats never stopped people from trying before. Cap was, is, Frank Castle's hero. And Frank Castle has been dead a very long time. @artursales259
@@mr.ashenfire2624 Understandable
@@artursales259He's supposedly one of the best hand to hand combatants in the universe. Like around Daredevil/Elektra level. It'd be a pretty tough fight, but Cap would win. I think its said that he's versed in every type of martial art.
“Bad guy” is a bit short sighted. “Necessary evil” is spot on.
Still evil brother and therefore something to stamp out
@@Pardy2Harty not evil tho. In a context that barbarism is the only option (the institutions does not do their job anymore or are straight up corrupt), being a barbarian to the aggressors are not being evil. In a society that crimes are low, the aggressors answer for their crimes and no one is above the law (as much as possible) a punisher will not, and dont need to exist even. Castle is a anti hero, this trend of putting him as a villan or a bad guy is just propaganda against anti state sentiment and individualism, Castle is a batman that kills how could he not be a anti hero?
@@viniciusaugusto6831bro you can't be serious 😂😂
@@joseluis5055 I am serious, the punisher is a anti-hero so what?
@@viniciusaugusto6831Do you unironically have Punisher logos plastered about?
And he told them to look up to Captain America, who Frank himself idolizes.
It's one of the best things they keep semi-consistent with Frank, is his absolute respect for Cap. Where, in one comic, Cap himself came to take Frank in, and where Frank DESTROYED everyone else who came at him at the same time, he refused to even throw a punch at Captain America.
I like how this was made as a response to how popular the logo is as a decal lol
It's not about the popularity of the emblem. It's how it had become a symbol for white supremacists and racists to rally behind.
I keep seeing it attached to different cars lol
@@garteroid8892 Avoid those vehicles and the people who drive them
@@TheStormbringer8751 where im from, Mexican construction workers have it. It just looks cool. Just because you've read an article doesn't make it true. They're motivated by clicks.
@@garteroid8892Especially police cars which is scary
In a different comic from 2001 written by Garth Ennis there is a group called the vigilante squad. Each member killed who they thought were bad people. They expected Punisher to lead them, but when Punisher met them at the end he called one a lunatic, another a nazi, and then told the third about the innocents he actually ended up killing before murdering them himself.
Reminds me of Magnum Force.
Harry Callahan does what he does against the book, but he still abides by the code of being a police officer.
Then there were those three or four other cops who were going around San Francisco killing all the major criminals that were constantly getting away with their crimes. One of the cops got sacrificed in a shootout, and the other three confronted Harry later on about how hard it is to convict a cop for doing what they do. They eventually gave him the ultimatum, "You're either with us or against us," to which he replied, "I think you have misjudged me." I think they, along with their captain, expected Harry to see from their point of view and help lead them into cleaning up the city their way. As much as Harry hates the system, until someone comes up with a solution that makes sense, he chooses to stick with it (as quoted by him).
In the end, he killed all three plus their captain.
It sounds pretty similar. To me, anyway.
Ennis Dillon run, was awesome.
Bruh what? Can u tell me the name of the comics pls? I wanna read it. (btw, quick question, nazi???? he was killing only the black guys or he was former hydra soldier? pls tell me I need to know!!!)
The comic was the Punisher (2000) by Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon. The specific issue was #12 released March 01, 2001.
@@SpiderCD112 man. The covers on those were my favorites.
The Punisher is an even more distilled version of the power fantasy: he's our desire to see the worst in humanity getting what's coming to them. More than a few of us imagine taking matters into our own hands when we read or hear about some human waste committing horrible acts. The Punisher is that desire made manifest.
Yes. He was created during the Death Wish / Dirty Harry era of entertainment.
@@Iron-Bridge Best Age of Cinema, Memorable Classics.
made manifest and left with no restraint. Like yeah it's cathartic to see someone get what they goddamn deserve but when one guy gives himself the job of dispensing that punishment then it doesn't go well
Yes indeed
@@eg_manifest510how?
A certain acorn related incident would beg to differ on the statement that cops would disarm the situation
Explain? Lol
@@GrullaMustang16 An acorn fell on a cop's squad car a month or so ago. The officer thought it was a gunshot (he had someone restrained in the back) and proceeded to bolt out of the car, flopping onto the ground. He mag-dumped the back of the vehicle (thankfully the frame was thick enough to protect the dude in the back), crawling away to a family's driveway as though he had been shot in the spine. While he was crawling over, he radioed for backup and, once he was able to, crawled behind the family's vehicle. Once he was there, he yelled at the family to stay in their house while going back to mag-dumping his squad car. The children of the (iirc, black) family were audibly freaking out, as in the footage that's been released of the event, you could hear them screaming in terror. The officer who started the whole thing eventually realized what actually happened, and you could practically the cogs turning in his head as he realized just how _monumentally_ he had messed up.
@@jeffreyfiegen1538 yea man that shit was crazy happen in my city I knew the who was shot at from school over 50 shot nun hit him cop was there cause the gf called the police saying she don't want him at the house but isnt a threat to no one the cop was able to put him the car peacefully no issue then did dat bs by the end of the day lawyers where calling the victim wanting tp help with lawsuit nice cop tho making a poor man rich in a day
@@jeffreyfiegen1538 the frame didn't protect the suspect, the cop just missed every shot!
@@arx3516well they only go to the range long enough to qualify legally, what you expect?
My favorite moment of Jon Bernthals Punisher was when he was in that store trying to buy guns and everything. Extorting extra hush hush money on the guy giving him service. Only for the asshole to get greedy and was trying to convince Frank to buy more stuff despite him clearly walking away and no longer needing service. Then the guy reveals “I got exclusive tapes. One called she’s only 12” (or something to that effect) only for Frank to pause and realize “Oh a pedo? Welp… guess he’s gotta die”. Bro locked the doors, turned the sign from open to closed, slowly walked back, grabbed a bat causing dude to realize his brains were about to be bashed in then Frank swings as the scene cuts lol. Meaning he got all his equipment AND a money back guarantee.
You’re over-simplifying that scene. First of all you’re making the narrative that Frank is just looking for some type of justification for killing by saying “oh a pedo? well….guess he’s gotta to die”. When in reality the only reason he was killing criminals and people like that guy giving him service was for revenge. That’s the whole reason he was in NYC in first place to kill the Irish mafia because of their involvement in his family’s murder. And that pawn shop owner was already a criminal to begin with Punisher only killed him because he was trying to sell him a CP tape titled “She’s barely 12” which is around the same age his daughter was. Jon Bernthals Punisher isn’t a villain like in the comics he’s actually a good person who only kills people who deserve it like that pawn shop owner.
I think it’s ironic how cops Irl use the punisher logo and not Batman, the character who actively works with cops to stop violent criminals. It shows that the cops who use that logo either don’t understand Punisher as a character or are glamorizing killing people.
Considering Batman's main weapon is FEAR...idk if that's anymore of a good look than rocking the Punisher emblem. If anything, heroes like Superman and Spider-Man are frankly better role models.
@@nojusticenetwork9309ok those two are better role models, but they are seen (by them) as more corny than cool and don't neatly map onto the power fantasy of simply killing criminals, which seems to be what these kinds of cops are after
@@nojusticenetwork9309 Batman is the perfect cop. Solves crimes, and solves high risk situations without killing anyone. Sure, he goes a bit too hard on the intimidation factor, but in the end he does police work better than the police.
Definitely the second option
We could even suspect that this interaction with cops could be a message to real ones
The one thing I have to disagree with is the notion that the Punisher is a Villain.
There are many Killer-Vigilantes who try to do what the Punisher does and nearly all of them fail because they end up killing or attempting to kill individuals who are innocent.
The Punisher goes out of his way to avoid civilian casualties. A perfect example is in the story arc "The Slavers" in which he attempts to take down a group of Slave Traffickers. In one scene, he realizes that going in guns blazing would result in the captive girls potentially getting killed in the crossfire. So, he drugs the soup, knocking out everyone, allowing him to gather girls in one safe location and kill the Slave Traffickers at his leisure. And then he called a social worker to take the girls somewhere safe.
Many heroes are nowhere near as careful.
In addition, there have only been a few times where The Punisher nearly killed an innocent, and every time he nearly committed suicide because he holds himself accountable to his own rules. Fortunately every time, those innocents either survived or were revealed to have been killed by someone else.
He's not a good guy but he is definitely not a Villain.
He is only a Villain to other Villains
He's a bad guy, but he's not a bad guy
The Punisher is an anti-villain within his mind. He is literally playing looter shooters. The Punisher is self-aware of his own actions. and despises those with authority who idolize and praise him.
To paraphrase Wade Wilson, "I ain't no Hero. I'm a bad guy who wastes other bad guys."
I agree, that's why (despite Marvel doing everything they can to tarnish him) the Punisher is one of my favorite superheroes, he's just a guy with a gun, but he does everything he can to protect the innocent and ensures the bad guys wont hurt anyone ever again.
I would disagree. Frank Castle is a very broken man psychologically speaking. The main reason why he wages war against criminals is because they killed his family. It’s not done out of a sense of morality. Theoretically if some other group were to have killed his family (whether it be cops, doctors, etc), Punisher would definitely be going after them instead of criminals
Cops and Soldiers: but we are the same
Punisher: you are Servants of the People, I am a Serial Killer for Criminals we are not the same
"We stand behind you!"
"So you stand behind killing the bad guys ruthlessly with no regrets or sympathy?"
"When the laws bind our hands, and stop us from enacting real justice, sure."
@@therobustempyrean1436"Justice is blind. Not heartless." -Dr. Fate, Injustice 2.
Yes
@@therobustempyrean1436Based!
@@Outlaw7263Yeah. Tell that to the LatAm Mafia or Haiti Gangs.
Nah even Punisher got more support from the people then Spider-Man 😭
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I guess it helps that the punisher's villians usually don't come back after a week
Valid 😂
Lmao, true@@Robert-rw5lm
@@Robert-rw5lm Jigsaw,Kingpin,Bullseye,The Hand. I could go on😐😐.
because Spiderman's a menace to society
People need to realize that Punisher Max is not the default version of Frank. Mainline Frank is actually a bit more well adjusted and willing to let some criminals off the hook.
Yeah there's some crimes that are too petty or unimportant to him. He's not going after other Vigilantes or internet piracy
@@sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595
I remember I saw a parody comic that has it where Punisher, Spiderman and another hero(can’t remember) are interrogating a criminal and Punisher just shoots the guy point blank and spiderman and the other hero are like “what was that?!”
Punisher: He uhhhhh….illegally downloaded mp3s….
Spiderman then just takes a step back.
The guy was a Spider man villain for pete's sake
(Heh pete's sake)
Yet he saved his life during civil war
Yeah you got a point, Because if comics have taught us one thing, it’s that no one is capable of redemption.
@@breadoffical9237 I'm not saying that
@@davidinass and in another universe is almost directly responsible for Spidey's death
He was a villain because he was tricked by the Jackal ( Miles Warren) into targeting Spider-Man. Jackal had convinced Frank that Spider -Man was a threat and a villain himself.
Do some research instead of putting out uncontested one liners.
I feel like a big part of his chracter is the fact we're constantly reminding he's not a good person lmao
And yet so many people will plaster his logo on their trucks and sometimes even have the thin blue strip 😂
@@acez6756 thats literally the reason these panels exist.
@@acez6756Hell yeah America. Gonna put the stars n stripes over a Punisher Skull cuz it's badass. 😎 no I don't see anything wrong with that 😎 no I don't think that makes me look like a villain 😎 no I don't understand subtext and irony 😎 I'm a PATRIOT
This is why I hate anti heroes that are not self aware.
They belive they're doing the right thing and sometimes even think they're morally superior to real heroes. (I'm looking at you peacemaker)
@@no.notfromRDR
but anti-heroes are not villains.
They're not synonymous.
They both are their own separate things.
Anti-heroes are anti-heroes.
Villains are villains.
The Punisher is not a villain; if he were, he would do villainous things. He does good, bad, and gray things for what he considers the right reasons.
I feel like this comic is a take on real life cops who use the emblem which is crazy
It literally is. Woke left wing comic writers hate that real world police and military think the punisher symbol is badass so this is their lame attempt at shooting (pun intended) it down
Maybe because police are demoralized after arresting the same shoplifter 3 times in one mouth, only to see the prosecutors let them go
@@Robert-rw5lmmaybe you shouldn’t really go to jail for shoplifting
@@Robert-rw5lm Prosecutors work _with_ the cops, you're thinking of defense attorneys. Plus, a lot of the cops that like to use that symbol, seem to treat police as a perk of the job, rather than a violation of human rights and dignity. Then there's also the sheer number that are card-carrying members of hate groups.
@@Robert-rw5lmso they get to do what they want with people? But if I was to wrestle back with these “punisher” cops I’ll do years in prison? That to me seems like some type of commie government
As a police officer for a many many years, who is now a supervisor I totally get Frank Castle point. He’s not a good man. He’s not a nice guy. He’s an honorable man, but he’s not a nice guy and if you took an oath to uphold, you, hold it to the best of your ability even when you’re at the lowest.
Can you go back, the force needs you, too many acorn incidents you know
@@reaverfang377 I’m in another agency
Frank is simple
"You're bad, you're dead"
The fact of killing "bad" people was never the punisher's motive, deep down Frank himself admits that he doesn't give a shit about it and that he only uses it as an excuse to lie to himself that he still has a purpose. Frank can kill people who deserve it but when he is done he simply looks for someone else because Frank hates the world and hates himself, if for some reason or miracle he could kill every evil person he would shoot himself afterwards. Frank kills "bad" people so he doesn't feel bad about being a homicidal psychopath.
no it is you an op you dead
And the point is that simplified moral statements like that don’t work in the real world
@@bald_lightningbut they do touch a k!d inappropriately and you're gone, go around taking lives of innocent ppl because you can you're gone, etc
Sad that there's a real cop gang called the "punishers"
Source.
to punish and to serve
@@solidgaming1103 type it on Google.
And if Castle was real, they'd all be dead. Punisher doesn't stand for that
Awesome!
It's worth noting that Punisher is _tolerated,_ he's barely respected. And that's the _best_ case scenario.
At the end of the day though, Frank is pitied. He went through so much, and what he does is the only way for him to really let out his grief. And unlike guys like Spider-Man and Hulk, who took their pain and did something constructive with it, Frank decided to be destructive.
It's what makes Punisher a real tragedy.
It’s a bit of a cop out (no pun intended) on the writers’ part. Punisher’s emblem is popular among cops and far-right because both groups’ true believers (that is, the non-grifters in the movement) believe society has devolved into lawlessness and requires a zero tolerance approach, similar to Punisher’s. It’s heart-wrenching to know that some punk who should’ve been locked up in a jail cell went on to victimize an innocent person trying to live their best life just because a shitty DA or weak judge decided to give the perp a slap on the wrist during an earlier arrest; it makes one lose faith in the system; that’s what Punishers is emblematic of. A loss of hope and faith in the system. And the system is *entirely* reliant on people having faith in it.
At their core, cops *want* to enforce the law, protect their communities, and create a safe environment where people can flourish. It’s the crook-friendly justice system that lets criminals out on the streets and perpetuates lawlessness. Frank suffered from the effects of such a broken system; and countless real-life families have suffered even worse.
So for Punisher’s writers to chastise people for idolizing someone like Frank, their attention should really be turned to the system that lets Frank’s methods make sense.
@@_LilRascal_ Most people who boast his symbol arent that deep. It's why it primarily on raised oversized trucks, police, military vehicles. It's so billy badass's can have something else besides monster stickers, & on sub counciess level shows a elementary level understanding of the character & wish to be judge dredd. But police doing it opens a can of worms, accountability in the country has been a joke for so long, them boasting that logo of all things rings a different tune if ya a minority. In a shoot first ask questions later culture, Punishers logo hits different when you see it on people who are in love with violence on the real world. Half the time they dont know Frank's name, before the tv it was less than 1/3rd. Im a fan so not only are they repackaging punishers logo for aurotherian purposes, but can even have geek talk when under the boot lol
I know what you mean, irl met a guy who's fairly bad, didn't know how bad until I looked him up. He has over 50 felonies and the d.a. won't prosecute him because of his skin color and Germanic name. Sickening.
The punisher is not a bad guy. He is a NECESSARY evil. The world needs more people like him, as much as he hates to admit it.
The punisher has always done the right thing. And the doing the right thing isn’t always doing the nice thing. Batman could learn a thing or two from him.
actually, NO. Not unless they broke the law themselves...one of frank's hard and fast rules is "no killing honest cops"
And honest cops do not idolize the Punisher.
@@DarkKing009 no, but they understand him
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 Yeah thats not a good thing either dude. They understand the insane vigilante murderer? Tf
No such thing
@@whitepaws60 people understand the Hulk and he’s a giant rampaging monster...the problem with marvel is they tend to make all of there heros ever more ambiguous it seems but we are lead to believe the Punisher is the bad one
No. He’s NOT a bad guy. For fucka sake read Punisher Max. He’s not gonna shoot a random mugger; but definitely break his arm. That’s crazy you think he’s a Villian.
The Punisher is NOT a villain!
Frank is a classic ANTI-villain. He's the same thing equivalent villains that Deadpool is to heroes.
Frank's a vigilante, albeit a violent one.
Bad guy, yes, the best bad guy to have around for the good guys.
I like the Punisher so much because of how indignant he is about saving innocents.
The fact the Avengers have him on speed dial In case things get grimdark is crazy and understandable at the same time.
If there's anyone cops should look to, it's Green Lantern
Or you know. Captain America lol
@@Antwannnn I'm talking irl but yeah in the marvel universe cap would indeed be the best option. Or Spidey
@@varelmarais2222Cap’s not a bad choice IRL either. He’s one of the only characters that can Superman in terms of sheer human decency. Might even be better than him in overall character.
@@MisterPeckingOrderi would argue with you on behalf of the big blue
@@MisterPeckingOrder cap is better imo because it's easy to be a good guy when your essentially a God, cap is just a trained soldier with increased strength agility and reflexes, still pretty normal
The Punisher would absolutely hate the sort of people who wear his logo in real life. He'd find all of them severely unserious.
Here's the problem I have with calling Frank a villain. The fact that he is a former military soldier abandoned by the US government like every other veteran on the streets, and the laws and rights Frank fought to protect were used to denied him justice after his family was killed in front of him. Hell, in some of the Punisher's backstories his family dies directly because of a corruption, government conspiracy or a major fuck up.
So tell me again how Frank is the villain, because he holds criminals responsible for their actions, when the government won't or flat out refuses to. The reason he doesn't want to be called a hero is because he has no remorse for his actions, he does not feel bad about taking out the scum of the earth, but he knows this which is why he tells people, if they want inspiration to do or be better, look to Captain America, a man Frank refuses to raise a fist against.
The punisher would shoot a guy in the head for breaking into an empty sandwich shop and stealing 400 bucks and a BLT. Frank has no interest in justice or holding anyone responsible. He just wants to hurt people who remind him of the people who hurt his family, that's why he's called the Punisher.
You raise a valid point how the government has failed Frank as it fails many veterans but Frank almost never directs his anger at people in power who continue to fail veterans, he almosr never tries to uplift his fellow soldiers. He respects them of course but he didn't make his life's crusade about helping them.
Frank is a villain and he knows it. He doesn't care about others too much, is happy to murder people who fit a specific criteria, and content with not doing much of anything to change the conditions of his fellow soldiers, and he has no interest in changing the conditions that create crime.
Correction *
This is a retconn of the character. He has always held respect for cops, soldiers, and those who's job is to uphold order and help the world around them.
Read his comics, don't just watch youtube.
Liberal writers are destroying the iconic characters
You expect people to read? Especially modern Marvel comics with Disney connections?
@TheDarkAngel969 Yea I'm not a Marvel guy myself. That said, Punisher Armory is a great series where you trully see Castles inner thoughts and opinions.
He’s not against cops in this story, he’s disappointed that cops are acting like him. He wants the cops to save people, he wants the cops to be more like Captain America and less like him. Cops that try to be the Punisher end up being criminals themselves.
The person who needs to read comics is you he still respects cops he simply dislikes them prancing around idolizing him like he’s a hero or a good person when Frank really isn’t, his symbol isn’t something that people who take an oath to keep the peace and promote the law should have at all when it goes completely against the actions and character of Frank, the law failed him so he takes it into his own hands which is something cops should never do at all because it always ends in disaster
He's not good,but he is not evil.
As an officer, I never understood why officers sported the skull logo. That logo can get you caught up. Get involved in a serious use of force or, worse, a shooting, and your character and possibly your mental state are going to be questioned, justified or not. I don't know how other departments do it, but our IAD would take photos of your weapon after a shooting, and some officers would have the Punisher on their magazine base plate. Military service member, I get, but never should it be displayed on any police equipment.
Thanks for this post! Just off the top off your head, when it came to bad shootings or excessive force, did it seem that those sporting the skull logo were in the wrong?
@@victorrain I’ve seen it on officers' weapons but have never personally seen any officer in a shooting who had it on their weapon. However, we’ve had officers with other questionable symbols on their equipment, and that symbol has caused courts to throw cases out. how it can hurt: Defense Attorney ask Officer Maxwell, is this your weapon on the screen? “What is that logo? So you take your job as though you're a violent comic book character? Are you the Punisher Officer Maxwell?” The defense attorney is embarrassing you in front of the jury. The jury looks at you in question. The way a defense attorney turned the case around from the defendant to you the officer. Now he starts prying into your history. Say if you had an incident of excessive force five years ago and another three years ago, now the Defense attorney is painting a picture. Punishes logo✅. Excessive Force ✅ The jury looks at you like you are unstable.
I mean he isn’t a straight up villain. He is a killer and even a murderer but he doesn’t kill the innocent. That is a foil for heroes and being an antihero, but that isn’t being a villain. At least not to everyone.
He may not be a typical villain he still is though
@natereacts312 he fights heroes, murders people, destroys building, and then never goes out of his way to save people. What exactly are his heroic traits?
@@Chunkium he does go out of his way to save people. Even in his roughest iteration in the max series he puts his life on the line through dangerous hellish situations to save a single child. He only fights heroes but he murders villains. He has his lines is the point. He’s a broken man but he has so much mettle and spine that a broke Frank castle is a force to be reckoned with. It’s like he died when his family died at the park and his life right now is his prolonged requiem.
@Eldagusto joker has lines too but that doesn't make him an anti hero
@@Chunkium joker has lines because it’s a game to him. He doesn’t really have moral limits because that was the point of the Batman who laughs. He’s forces people to cook their babies in a pot and eat the soup.
Franks become a force of nature. I don’t call a tiger released in a prison a villain.
You know a cop is sketchy if they put a punisher logo on their focking uniform,
its litterally a SKULL
aka.bad guy symbol number 1
"... why skulls?"
So you're a bad guy?
BOPE, an entire police department from Brazil uses skulls and black uniform 💀
@@lucasrodillo6739 "Hans, are we the baddies?"
@@no.notfromRDR that's fucking *Brazil* brother
You also have to remember the situation going on during this story. Frank was going after Hydra. He shredded that symbol because he did not want those officers to be dragged down with him.
I love how Frank shows Captain America so much respect. I just wish the sh🤬t was reciprocated
A lot of Punisher fans don't realize that, look at Punisher: War Zone. When he went on a rampage killing Jigsaws crew he killed an undercover agent.
Anytime I see a cop with the logo, I know they have never watched or read anything related to the punisher lol
Have you? Cuz this makes zero sense
He's Not a Bad guy, just a Hollow on the inside man, with a Conscience ...
I never liked the punisher, but I like this version of the character; he knows he isn't killing criminals because he wants to do the right thing, he just needs an outlet for his grief.
This version ? Thats always been The Punisher in comics, hes never called himself a good person. Frank Castle died with his family.
@@EmperorGuyverthere was a comic where ghost rider tries to use the penitence on the punisher but it doesn't work, solely because he never felt guilty for killing people.
It's a old comic but it's what people use to say he's a "hero".
Yep 100% correct take
@@no.notfromRDRexactly
@@no.notfromRDR Where the hell did you get that from ?
No one took that from that comic and no one who actually knows the character called him a hero
Thats just completely false
The punisher is not a villain he’s an antihero, but by no means a hero in the traditional sense
Okay but to call the guy a “villian” seems a bit unfair, I mean I feel like too many people now a days have romanized the concept of an “Anti” hero.
Frank is an Anti Hero, because as you noted in your video of Frank came and saw a person being mugged, he would shoot the mugger in the head. Thus helping the person who was being mugged. Of course this isn’t to say his methods are always great or even justified. But Frank is the embodiment of
“Doing good but in a bad way” and I feel like not enough people talk about that. That’s what an anti hero has always been. Someone who does good but in the opposite way a stereotypical hero would.
And lastly, say what you want about the punisher but rarely do people come across him and then go on to reoffend
Punisher absolutely is a hero. It's modern shitty writing that's wrecked him.
Ngl, Punisher's logo looks cool though. Not that I support him, but his logo is kinda cool.
This wasn’t just an in universe reaction, this was commentary on real life police adopting the Punisher logo, and it was SCATHING!
Frank is a hero. It's the stupid retcon that made him use his family's deaths as an excuse to kill that ruined his character
Anti hero* I actually agree that the retcon was dumb but even when wasn’t the case everyone always gave him shit for his methods
@@CursedShinobiClownbut they get along with Logan and even Deadpool
@@painvillegaming4119 That was something I really hated when Marvel decided to put Deadpool in everything. They made him a major celebrity in universe which was odd considering how hated Punisher was.
Wolverine however isn’t that respected in the marvel universe. I mean, they made sentinels for a reason.
@@phabiorules he's respected by the heros
Sentinels are made by the villains the people we are suppose to hate
I think its funnier that people think the logo is popular because of the punisher. Don't get me wrong punisher is maybe a c class character. The reason why the punisher logo is because of chris kyle the american sniper used it. Given he was praised as the american hero especially during that time between 2008 and 2013 where america was heavily into Afghanistan and the death of bin laden and the logo meaning "righting of wrongs" at least according to other seals served with chris kyle. I love punisher comics from war journal to the outlandish punisher kill the marvel universe but to say that the logo only became popular because of him is ridiculous. Punisher was/is a c class comicbook character. He doesn't have his own rouge's gallery like other characters in fact hes more popular now mostly because of the introduction of cosmic ghost rider. In fact cosmic ghost rider aolo series sold more copies then when he bacame leader of the hand and all that trivial stuff that went with that. And I believe now theres a new punisher whos a shield agent? I haven't read that series. There were multiple factors on why the symbol became popular.
I do not think Punisher is a bad guy as he still protects the innocent in a city where the law has failed and police cannot be counted on most of the time.
I consider him not quite a villain, but a monster who hunts monsters.
I still find it crazy that real cops use his Symbol.
No he's definitely an antihero 😂
That's true Punisher doesn't care about saving you so much as killing the person who kills you.
SAINT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL
The Patron Saint Of Police Officers
It’s ironic when cops use this because it’s because of a corrupt system and a dirty cops that he became the punisher
That's something I absolutely love about Frank, he KNOWS he's a monster and he hates it
"omg spidey im such a big fan"
"Nice to meet a fan"
Vs
"Omg punisher im such a big fan!"
(Loads shotgun)
I also like how he also points out that Captain America is a better role model than he is.
"It's not wrong if I'm the one doing it"
It may not be their exact words, but it a mindset I am far too familiar with
Technically he'd still be an anti-hero. He does the wrong thing for the right cause most of the time. I don't really follow his stories but he essentially does what Deadpool does but Deadpool knows he's killing imaginary people in a book while Frank sees them as actual people
That actually makes him an anti-villain, doing wrong things for the right reasons. Deadpool would be an example of an anti-Hero, someone who does good but for selfish reasons.
@@SickVoidno you have that wrong anti hero is someone who does the right thing from the right reason but doesn't go about it the same way a regular hero does
@@SickVoid
Deadpool wavers, depending on the story.
This is what people need to understand about The Punisher. I'm always reading comments of ppl saying one hero or another is Bad or w/e then state they should operate like The Punisher, It "Grinds my gears" to hear that (read that). So many ppl statements prove they have a very rudimentary understanding.
It feels like half this comment is missing
@@defensivekobra3873 you're right, I didn't want to ramble.
It's probably born from the same idea that our justice system can allow people who commit the worst crimes to walk away with a slap on the wrist, or nothing at all, especially due to bad arguments from the prosecution. It's not from the idea of "Grr, all criminals bad" but rather "Dang, some criminals aren't actually punished". This comic kind of misses that point. Or do you lot think Frank is fine with cops who let rapists (especially those whontarget kids) walk after a couple years of serving time?
@@therobustempyrean1436 Simply Franks is a serial killer at his worse. Yes he kills your pedoS, Mob Bosses and henchmen, dirty cops, drug dealers, he also has killed lot of ppl were good ppl with no choice or options, superheroes as well unless you're Captain America or Rhodey War Machine you're not off the table, to a men involved in domestic abuse, he's killed litterers , and red light runner. Even if you do the exact same thing he does u r on the list because even he knows what he does isn't right and when his job is done he'll kill himself. The Punisher was a Villain when he appeared. Any crime/criminal in his eyes are one step from sitting back and watching or killing his family yourself. They've tried to make him an anti-hero make you forget his origins with all the stories tht make you feel " oh, he's not so bad. And I agree with his actions." luckily there's always a comic story where they remind you how lost he is.
Media literacy is deas
The punisher has always been one of those characters I never really liked, because he always seems to understand that what he's doing is wrong but he continues to do it and is mad that people want to follow suit same as him. Like bro, you're the influence here. Negative emotions are so easy to tap into but so hard to tap out of.
Now remember that he is a fictional character so I am not encouraging sewer slide but if he recognises he has a negative impact in the world and is always miserable why doesn't he "punish" himself?
He's a real sad existance.
@@JubulusPrime
I imagine it's because he expects to die during his mission.
Just wants to take down as many criminals as he can with him.
More realistically, "The Punisbers Writers do not like cops that use his symbol"
While it's tempting to use the easy jab of "unlike the real, existing Punisher", I get that what you are trying to say is that this is out of character. But still, it is not.
Frank always hated cops since the beginning
@@billyboleson2830he's worked with cops before and one of his rules is that he doesn't kill "honest cops".
They don't like anything right of far left.
@@franks2796 Frank only works with a select few cops cause he has too. The police actively want to stop him 99% of the time lol
the Punisher knows full well that he's just a necessary evil
I swear I thought I was the only person that considered him a villian
God rest stilt-man's soul
@@JubulusPrime
Nobody actually cares about that guy.
@JubulusPrime Bro he murdered 3 innocent people. Stilt man was literally in hell as a soul in a ghostrider comic in the background
"Careful, that sounds like a threat."
"It was."
So fckin' cold, frank 🥶
So Batman’s no killing rule is making sense lmao
This also reflects how a lot of police officers incorporate the Punisher’s logo in the real world.
He's not a villain HES
THE FUKN PUNISHER💀! Now dont complicate this just leave it at that 👍
I think it also shows the last bits of his humanity. Perhaps he hopes that they don't turn into another him, that they don't become him.
For a “bad guy” he does a really good job at cleaning a villains, he’s better at it than most heroes
Based
Is he? Is he really? Sure franks must've killed a countless amount of crooks, but any of the named villains that actually have weight to them? King pin or jigsaw or basically anyone even marginally more powerful/notable Punisher isn't gonna get to kill. Not in the main continuity anyway. Now instead of a no kill rule vigilantes like punisher'll always just get foiled or become incompetent.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 He cleared out almost everyone in his game. Kingpin, Jigsaw, Yakuza, and a ton of others.
That's why I love the punisher he just does what needs doing! Frank Castle for president!!
He's definitely an anti hero. He's the marvel version of jason todd aka the red hood
Jason is positively light and tame compared to Frank.
That's the most surface level comparison that doesn't even actually consider anything beyond "they use guns"
@@d11asian its really not theyre pretty similar when it comes to being an anti hero. They're both brutal when it comes to doing what they believe in. Only thing i can say separates the two is Jason Todd still has a soul and heart to still care about others as we seen from him multiple times after being revived by the lazarus pit where as frank castle will absolutely send you straight to hell with no remorse and wasnt revived by something that twists your very personality and mind into something psychotic with each revival like in ra al ghul case from his addiction to the lazarus pit and jason todd explaining the effects of lazarus pit on the mind
@@sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595 after a while he became light and tame but before he was a complete menace. In Batman Arkham Knight we see Jason Todd as The Arkham Knight and he was brutal and willing to kill even Batman his own adoptive father just for standing in his way of protecting peace. Even as Red Hood Jason Todd was still pretty brutal due to the Lazarus pit making him slightly more prone to raging outburst and a worse temper. He even super heated his rubber bullets to the point of possible lethal casualty without thinking because he was still pretty brutal when he fights compared to Batman. In Gotham Knights we see how the Lazarus pit has affected Jason Todd's life as well as Jason himself explaining how dangerous it is and why it should be destroyed which Batman was revived through the Lazarus Pit and Damien Wayne was made lol. But seriously Jason Todd was just as brutal as frank castle if not slightly worse since he had literal military training and training from Batman who mastered every martial arts form that was still known and NOT lost to time. He even had his own group of people that he would use as an example and a really bad temper that would cause Batman to calm him down in their fight. Jason Todd is willing to kill anyone even if he doesn't have a reason to like them. Frank Castle is in the same boat as him to an extent though he was pushed into doing what he does where as Jason was Tortured by the joker, manipulated/reshaped mentally from the torture joker did to him, blown up few minutes before batman can save him, revived in the Lazarus Pit, fought batman to the death as Arkham Knight while batman wss still trying to save him. He's pretty much been thru it slightly more worse then Frank Castle when you think about it
Not sure what's more cringe. Modern/woke Marvel's take on the Punisher or channels like this pushing the "Punisher is a villian" BS.
Woke to say that cops shouldn’t be able to kill who they want to?
Hes definitely no hero. Anti hero at best and I don’t see how the point this guy makes is affected by what you said. Cops glorifying someone who solves every problem with brutal violence isn’t something you’d wanna see
In the 2003 comics, Punisher literally said "Death to America"
Keep crying lmao
@@sirpeterbaum4695 Yall keep saying this but forget who he's killing.
Wait do people actually think punisher is a villain?😂
He's not a bad guy, he's a vigilante.
lol marvel trying so hard to not have the punisher logo. Be the symbol for blue lives matter.
Can't blame 'em.
rightfully so
Cops shouldn't be claiming it to begin with. The Punisher literally represents the broken system. How can you idolize a person that represents the issue of a system you're upholding? 💀
The amount of respect frank has for cap is hella wholesome ngl
Good to know punisher would hate these people in irl too
Why is it a good thing?
@@InvertedBreadthe dude who made the short already explained it. Cops uphold the law and should believe in all people being treated fairly by it. Agreeing with someone who brutalizes people, legally innocent or not, is hypocrisy
@cactus.man_ admin said 'these people"
"Too"
Thats being against the polive ehich is stupid talk considering this is a comic and doesn't happen irl
@InvertedBread what doesnt happen irl? Cops idolizing the punisher? There's a cop a block away from me who has blue lives matter punisher flags on his truck, and lots of merch like that targeted at cops and cop lovers
I love how they address this situation. Because irl people use his symbol for everything but what it was meant for.
Dawg he is not a villian
I truly believe that
If someone in real life went through what he did and went on a crusade I would not blame them.
He has gotten vengeance he has no reason to still be going on but he does because he thinks he has to and he enjoys it
Where is your moral compass at?
He absolutely is a villain, just a anti villain.
That does not change what he did...
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219If you actually engage your brain more often, you might realise that it's fine to understand why someone does what they do without having to agree with them. It's how profiling works. Now, walk along in your self righteous bubble of privilege.
@@Iron-Bridge
( ；-｀д´-) WTF are you saying?
I’ve always wondered why cops liked the Punisher more than Cpt. A.
You’d think they would support the soldier more than the random vigilante that would delete them in an instant if they got in his way.
Frank was a soldier too.
How is he a villain? Villains kill indiscriminately. Anti-heroes don't. The fact that dude said he's a villain, just shows how society loves to humanize and coddle criminals.
Humanizing criminals is bad?
@@collinkhan4163 Depending on what type of crime said criminal committed. Society cares more about petty crimes than they do major crimes. The humanize and sensationalize hardcore criminals, but talk a lot of trash about petty criminals. It just doesn't make sense. That's why people keep committing crimes because society coddles them. Yes it is bad but on one hand, but on the other hand, it sends the message of, " what you did was bad, but it doesn't matter because we can just call it a mistake"
@@collinkhan4163 Sorry about the paragraph bro 😂
@@peteralexander6858 I think the problem is that society demonizes those who get CAUGHT, anyone whose been to prison is basically damned out of work forever to some people, but our society has so much media about commiting crimes without repercussions. People seem to have come to believe that being punished means you are no longer human, which is backwards frankly (I myself see a connection to Chistianity's hell damnation but wont claim a connection because that deserves more research to prove)
bestie you do realise that criminals are humans. right. you do realise that even the worst of us should have the chance to be rehabilitated, or at the very least be sentenced by a fair judge and a jury of their peers per the constitution? you do get how getting shot in the head at the first inkling that you are a criminal kinda puts a damper on that whole idea, right?
It's always funny to me when I see IRL cops with his emblem
How lame.
Imagine reading modern comics just to have the writer wagging his finger at you for liking a fictional character.
Eh, I see nothing wrong with it. Alan Moore talked about how he gets uncomfortable when people tell him how much they relate to Rorschach because while they think he is cool, the character is actually a fascist bigot.
Unfortunately, a lot of people will consume media without really thinking about the characters in it. Often times, if people like a character they will make excuses for their philosophy and say that they identify with it, even if the philosophy is actually horrible (a good example homelander, as some people like watching him so they start to think he is right). There isn’t anything wrong with a writer saying “hey, this is still a bad guy.”
It’s one thing to like a character and think they are cool, but you still need to acknowledge when they aren’t right.
@@phabiorules The thing you're missing is that when a writer does this it just drives the audience to like that character more out of spite. Homelander is an especially terrible example since the writers themselves have no clue what to do with him. One season he's george bush the next he's trump. He was terrifying in season 1 but after that the only appropriate reaction is to treat him as a shallow entertaining caricature because that's literally all he is anymore.
@@phabiorules Rorschach stuff is lame too.
I literally couldn't care less what a self-proclaimed communist wizard thinks about objectivism or whatever, him writing an enjoyable story doesn't make his inane IRL politics any more convincing.
Frank's thoughts on the matter are actually extremely simple:
"You are supposed to be BETTER than me."
Bingo! Frank abandonded the law as his path. Police officers swore an oath to uphold it. Following the Punisher means to turn in the badge and gun and get off the police force. I agree with Frank's viewpoint in this scene. Vigilante or Cop, don't cross the streams.
Can you guys remember that when ghost rider used his guilt of hell power on frank it didn’t work because he has no guilt and doesn’t believe he did anything wrong
That's not how the stare is supposed to work apparently.
I do love that Punisher knows he’s a monster and that nobody should follow in his footsteps,
It seems unfair to Call the Punisher a villain
not a villain, but still a murderer
@@Atalas5 really?
@@benjaminkitchen6257 he kills people without a fair trial or the legal protections cops have. So while he is not a villain, he is most definitely a criminal.
No, it's not, you be perfectly in the right for saying so.
Maybe anti villain at best.
What make punisher scary is that he will punish you wherever you are or event.
Yeah punisher is a bad guy fellas I mean no shit dude gos around shooting people he doesn’t like pov you litter around the punisher
Bro I wouldn't even jaywalk around the Punisher. Lol. 😂