Dude! Thank you for the shout out! I am really excited you picked up the S9. My dream would be for someone to make a leaf shutter lens for this camera. The LCD on mine is at 100% brightness. I do over capture often to compensate for lack of EVF. The AF-C and IBIS can save your bacon every time. The f1.8 primes are perfect for me. If you make any fancy LUTs please send them my way. Thanks again Dylan 👍✌️
Haha totally will man! I love a subtle look and am obsessed with warm colors so most of my stuff is pretty average-looking and is reminiscent of just about everything else already out there. Love that you're not afraid of wacky colors and under/overexposed images to get unique looks. So much respect for that. And yes, the IBIS here is truly otherworldly. No hyperbole there. And yes, LCD is on +3 Backlight for me all the time, it's sad - and I forgot to mention this in my video - that the Backlight AUTO function is pretty weak. It seems to be doing a weird TTL thing since with the lens cap on, it's dark, etc. Not sure what's going on but putting Backlight settings on the MY MENU was an easy workaround. The f1.8 primes are SO good - really what is making me stay.
@ I love getting F1.8 at 18mm FF stabilized…such a kick. The 85mm and 50mm f1.8’s are incredible at the price. I love Fuji too but I wish they would steal some stuff from the LUMIX playbook. I really enjoy SOOC and LUTs play right into that lol. I’ve never been a video guy and this system (for the price) gets me in the game. As for photography, I have had to make some compromises with the S9 and am eying what Fuji does next year and considering an S5II for the EVF if Fuji skunks out with new releases or the availability of releases. Fuji has recipes and LUMIX has formulas I’ve decided lol
Congrats on the new toy! I think many Fuji users are naturally migrating to Lumix. I think at one time Fuji was seen as a 'value' choice, but now that stigma has really left the nest and its Lumix who are becoming the best bang for buck. Keep us updated!
So so so well said. Yes, Fujifilm was definitely best "bang for your buck" at one point in time, but that time is gone sadly. The AF issues/subpar performance just make Lumix the best option now that there's the PDAF system in the S5ii/x/S9. Loving this new journey haha. Thank you for watching!!!
So true... I'm an Xpro2 shooter but i bought a S5iiX for video - wow. The value, image quality is wild and I get the FF thing in the images. The 50mm 1.8 is stunning and the 20-60mm is super cool for video. Adapted Canon DD 50mm, shooting manual is so nice. Also worth mentioning I use Cinelike D and Monochrome for the look for the SOOC for video and stills. The S9 is my next purchase for point and shoot and mobile vlog/film B cam stuff. Love the video man. Still Love for Fuji always in the London Fuji store - Xpro 4 and the XH cameras need to go FF - the brand will slap!
I've been looking for a smaller camera to go beside my Lumix S5II so I was super excited when I heard about this camera. Unfortunately the downsides are too big for me to get one: No mechanical shutter and no hot shoe (impossible to use with flash). If they added a real grip to give space for a mechanical shutter I could forgive the missing buttons. It's annoying to have to buy an accessory to be able to hold it properly, that flat body looks really uncomfortable. I hope there will be a S9II with these addition so I'll see in a few years if I'm still around.
Love your input here - and yes, you're right, there are some major limitations hardware-wise on the camera. I think as a new user into Lumix for me it wasn't as shocking or "this can't work for me" since I already have other systems (GFX, X) but you're totally right. The inability to use flash through TTL + a hotshoe is a huge miss. I am still baffled why there isn't a hotshoe?? Surely the electronics are capable, I don't know enough about hardware design but one would think, yeah? The S9ii is going to be very dramatic I'm sure. But as I said, really fun time to be a photographer with all this cool gear! Thanks for watching man!
I could live without an evf, although I use it quite often. I can even forgive them for not giving it a mechanical shutter and hot shoe. But like you show in this video, the lack of controls (scrollwheels, joystick!, front butttons, programmable fn buttons) makes this an almost impossible buy for me. I really wanted to like this camera, but it lacks sooo much. Hope they learn from their 'mistakes' and bring out a mk2 version soon.
The thing is though, the 'omissions' were not a mistake at all. The S9 is an experiment project brought to market to be a faster productivity, social media focused S5ii in a full frame but smaller, lighter, rangefinder style body. Without the omissions you'd have an S5ii. Especially since the latest FW update a few weeks ago expanded the Real Time LUT feature to the S5ii(X). The S9 is a dope camera and it's even more successful than they anticipated causing them to unveil more new body colors recently. I own both the S5ii & Lumix S9... The S9 gets much more work lately since it's always with me, everywhere. I'd bet there will be a more standardized MKii version (without the 'omissions') but probably not for a good # of years because 1) Panasonic are on the clock to release MKii versions of their flagship cameras and 2) one of the best things about Lumix is they don't p*ss off their customers with releasing updated model versions in quick succession; on the other hand they typically support their cameras with new features releases thru updated FW over 2 - 3 yrs.
@@baihu4u I love this discussion - and I totally hear you. I omitted mentioning that, as you said, Panasonic/Lumix is killing it with software/firmware updates. It's like the heyday of Fujifilm where the 'kaizen' methodology is back in full force. They truly want to compete and be a brand that people are talking about and I am 1000% in support of that. Love your view on this - and I agree there will probably be a large wait for the S9ii. With that said, what lens do you often have on your S9 since you bring it with you everywhere? I love the 35mm f1.8 but find it a bit too big. The Sigma f2.8 lenses are hard to find sadly.
Thanks for watching and yes! The lack of a joystick is wild to me, the lack of a back scrollwheel makes sense given their real push towards 'casual' users but I think what they're seeing is that prosumer/hobbyist users are flocking to the S9 and the casuals are going to get something sub $750 and not this $1k+ camera and system. Totally agree with you. I still think despite all of that, it's worth a purchase if you're a prosumer or hobbyist photographer/videographer since the shooting experience takes a bit to get used to because you're really just getting used to the omissions, but once you do, it's a great camera and the image quality is quite mind blowing if I'm being honest. What are you shooting on instead?
@@oxeneers Exactly. The S9 is not conventional for photography. At all. However, like you said, it has all the capabilities. I’ve never really used a touch screen on a camera for anything but reviewing pics. In some ways it requires faith in the camera to pull it off. My confidence grows each time I trust it and let it do its do. The standard color is straight up Leica and it rocks. I gotta be honest, I really soured on the Fuji scene. The negativity and know it alls are not my gig. There are lots of friendly LUMIX RUclipsrs who get what I do and welcome creativity. When it comes down to it, even with all the hate, this is a true creator camera and I dig it!
Hey Hassan - thanks for watching and YES, I have been really trying to get my hands on them. Local Samy's never has them, Amazon in my area is through a sketch third party seller, and B&H and Adorama are my options there so we'll see. But the 45mm seems to be a no-brainer, yeah?
Absolutely, the 45mm seems to make the S9 almost Leica like in the presentation. Almost 😅. Either way that and the 65 and 90mm almost seem designed for the S9.
@@oxeneers I had Panasonic 35 f1.8 but sold it and got Sigma 45 f2.8. It fits my S9 much better and the output is quite similar to my all time favourite lens which is Fuji XF 35 f1.4. Metal build and aperture ring also bring experience much closer to Fuji.
Dylan Great video and review. The 2 main drawbacks in my opinion is no EVF and no hot shoe. This is essentially a daylight and no shade camera. With out a flash capable camera this is extremely limiting. Ty
Agreed - I think the video quality in low light is fantastic and I've been really impressed. But for stills, yes, you're on the money there. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@ this week I should be back. I was shooting the g9ii and s5ii and decided to pick one of them and commit. New lens should be delivered on Tuesday if the postal strike is averted…
@@heymikeriley Oh wow - now I'm looking up the postal strike haha. Which one did you choose? I know with wildlife it's kind of a different discussion but the S5iix looks so sexy with that blacked out design and fan haha.
To add a mechanical shutter and EVF they would have to give up the form factor and add a massive grip to fit the battery.. The S9 is meant to be its own line rather than a compact S5II like Sony do with their C line. The lack of a hotshot makes sense given you can't use a flash with electronic shutter anyway. It would only be for a microphone. It is a bit mean though!
Thanks man! Really appreciate the love and you watching the video - some of the photos I've taken recently kind of took my breath away (coming from APS-C) when processing in Lightroom or on device. So frickin cool. "Creative powerhouse" - I love that, you're totally on the money with that.
It's a truly bare bones camera, a Ff sensor in a small package. A canon dslr and mirrorless user like myself could not even imagine a camera without a decent number of wheels. Not to mention the "range finder look" without a range finder or even A finder at all :)
It feels very much like a barebones mechanical keyboard where you kind of have to 'build' it yourself - and yes, the lack of wheels and buttons as I said is a big bummer. But I'm getting used to it haha. Thanks for watching Jack!
Thanks. Good talk. Am thinking of getting it with the 18 mm and 50 mm. What do you think of those two lenses as good all around two lens dad cam set? Thanks.
I have the 50mm f1.8, got it with the camera, I'll do a follow up on the 35/50 and 20-60 kit that I'm shooting with lately. I still think the new 18-40 is going to be the ultimate lens for the S9 but let's see how this all plays out. But yes, I will for sure share the shots I've done with the 50! I have some on my Flickr too - flickr.com/oxeneers
Being a Lumix shooter NO other camera company continues to develop their cameras with firmware updates. Other companies make you purchase the next camera instead of unlocking those features for free with firmware updates.
You're 1000% right. This camera/the software response really takes me back to the early days of Fujifilm - this 'kaizen' methodology is so refreshing. They could have easily kept REAL-TIME LUTS exclusive to the S9 but they didn't. That goes a LONG way in my book. Also, the software itself is expertly designed and the responsiveness and clean UI (over other manufacturers) is a huge breath of fresh air. Loving what they're doing - thank you for watching!!!
Hey man, thanks for watching! And yes, you're right. Tons of "pros" to not having a mechanical shutter - this is one of them. I have never had MS issues myself but I'm sure you've seen all the 'stuck' shutters and repairs that people have to do out there. It's a bummer - but yes, only having an ES has a ton of benefits like not worrying about that stuff.
@ i use led lights for filming and photography and i do make money with my camera. I dont need mechanical shutter for anything , for me it has absolutely no advantages using mechanical. In my opinion most customers of this kind of camera will never miss this feature.
Well stated. The S9 truly is an amazing camera. To me, this camera is a testament to why people should never take RUclips influencers opinions as whole sale truth. This camera, to me, is one of the best day to day cameras when it comes to street photography. Panasonic lenses are very good.
It really is! I get the influencer schtick where you have to pander to your audience but these days, I think honesty and a good point of view goes a lot further. And yes, as someone who owns the X-T5 and GRiiix, I am finding myself picking the S9 + 35mm f1.8 more often now. Yes, it's new to me but the quality is also a breath of fresh air. The lenses are what surprised me most - you're right! Thanks for watching!!
I am not saying this camera is totally a joke, but between love or hate it, we should hate it for the brand having pressure to solve the limitation of this camera (no useful pancake lense, no viewfinder, no mechanical shutter, no pop up flash)
I agree, and thank you for watching! The lack of a strong pancake lens is really baffling. I think I saw another video where someone said the 26mm f8 MF lens was "a joke" and almost like "a meme" haha. Very true. Not sure why Lumix/Panasonic can't put out a real true pancake lens like Canon, Nikon (40mm f2 is GREAT) and others have been able to do. The no flash is disappointing but I'm sure the marketshare for that isn't quite there.. the EVF and MS are strange, though. Appreciate your comment!
Dude! Thank you for the shout out! I am really excited you picked up the S9. My dream would be for someone to make a leaf shutter lens for this camera. The LCD on mine is at 100% brightness. I do over capture often to compensate for lack of EVF. The AF-C and IBIS can save your bacon every time. The f1.8 primes are perfect for me. If you make any fancy LUTs please send them my way. Thanks again Dylan 👍✌️
Haha totally will man! I love a subtle look and am obsessed with warm colors so most of my stuff is pretty average-looking and is reminiscent of just about everything else already out there. Love that you're not afraid of wacky colors and under/overexposed images to get unique looks. So much respect for that. And yes, the IBIS here is truly otherworldly. No hyperbole there. And yes, LCD is on +3 Backlight for me all the time, it's sad - and I forgot to mention this in my video - that the Backlight AUTO function is pretty weak. It seems to be doing a weird TTL thing since with the lens cap on, it's dark, etc. Not sure what's going on but putting Backlight settings on the MY MENU was an easy workaround. The f1.8 primes are SO good - really what is making me stay.
@ I love getting F1.8 at 18mm FF stabilized…such a kick. The 85mm and 50mm f1.8’s are incredible at the price. I love Fuji too but I wish they would steal some stuff from the LUMIX playbook. I really enjoy SOOC and LUTs play right into that lol. I’ve never been a video guy and this system (for the price) gets me in the game. As for photography, I have had to make some compromises with the S9 and am eying what Fuji does next year and considering an S5II for the EVF if Fuji skunks out with new releases or the availability of releases. Fuji has recipes and LUMIX has formulas I’ve decided lol
Long time viewer, first time commenter. Love the insight and details you have included on this one. Considering purchasing this thanks to your vid
Thank you man!!
Congrats on the new toy! I think many Fuji users are naturally migrating to Lumix. I think at one time Fuji was seen as a 'value' choice, but now that stigma has really left the nest and its Lumix who are becoming the best bang for buck.
Keep us updated!
So so so well said. Yes, Fujifilm was definitely best "bang for your buck" at one point in time, but that time is gone sadly. The AF issues/subpar performance just make Lumix the best option now that there's the PDAF system in the S5ii/x/S9. Loving this new journey haha. Thank you for watching!!!
So true... I'm an Xpro2 shooter but i bought a S5iiX for video - wow. The value, image quality is wild and I get the FF thing in the images. The 50mm 1.8 is stunning and the 20-60mm is super cool for video. Adapted Canon DD 50mm, shooting manual is so nice. Also worth mentioning I use Cinelike D and Monochrome for the look for the SOOC for video and stills. The S9 is my next purchase for point and shoot and mobile vlog/film B cam stuff. Love the video man. Still Love for Fuji always in the London Fuji store - Xpro 4 and the XH cameras need to go FF - the brand will slap!
Awesome!! Your best video to date :)
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥️
I've been looking for a smaller camera to go beside my Lumix S5II so I was super excited when I heard about this camera. Unfortunately the downsides are too big for me to get one: No mechanical shutter and no hot shoe (impossible to use with flash). If they added a real grip to give space for a mechanical shutter I could forgive the missing buttons. It's annoying to have to buy an accessory to be able to hold it properly, that flat body looks really uncomfortable. I hope there will be a S9II with these addition so I'll see in a few years if I'm still around.
Love your input here - and yes, you're right, there are some major limitations hardware-wise on the camera. I think as a new user into Lumix for me it wasn't as shocking or "this can't work for me" since I already have other systems (GFX, X) but you're totally right. The inability to use flash through TTL + a hotshoe is a huge miss. I am still baffled why there isn't a hotshoe?? Surely the electronics are capable, I don't know enough about hardware design but one would think, yeah?
The S9ii is going to be very dramatic I'm sure. But as I said, really fun time to be a photographer with all this cool gear! Thanks for watching man!
I could live without an evf, although I use it quite often. I can even forgive them for not giving it a mechanical shutter and hot shoe.
But like you show in this video, the lack of controls (scrollwheels, joystick!, front butttons, programmable fn buttons) makes this an almost impossible buy for me. I really wanted to like this camera, but it lacks sooo much. Hope they learn from their 'mistakes' and bring out a mk2 version soon.
The thing is though, the 'omissions' were not a mistake at all. The S9 is an experiment project brought to market to be a faster productivity, social media focused S5ii in a full frame but smaller, lighter, rangefinder style body. Without the omissions you'd have an S5ii. Especially since the latest FW update a few weeks ago expanded the Real Time LUT feature to the S5ii(X). The S9 is a dope camera and it's even more successful than they anticipated causing them to unveil more new body colors recently. I own both the S5ii & Lumix S9... The S9 gets much more work lately since it's always with me, everywhere. I'd bet there will be a more standardized MKii version (without the 'omissions') but probably not for a good # of years because 1) Panasonic are on the clock to release MKii versions of their flagship cameras and 2) one of the best things about Lumix is they don't p*ss off their customers with releasing updated model versions in quick succession; on the other hand they typically support their cameras with new features releases thru updated FW over 2 - 3 yrs.
@@baihu4u I love this discussion - and I totally hear you. I omitted mentioning that, as you said, Panasonic/Lumix is killing it with software/firmware updates. It's like the heyday of Fujifilm where the 'kaizen' methodology is back in full force. They truly want to compete and be a brand that people are talking about and I am 1000% in support of that.
Love your view on this - and I agree there will probably be a large wait for the S9ii. With that said, what lens do you often have on your S9 since you bring it with you everywhere? I love the 35mm f1.8 but find it a bit too big. The Sigma f2.8 lenses are hard to find sadly.
Thanks for watching and yes! The lack of a joystick is wild to me, the lack of a back scrollwheel makes sense given their real push towards 'casual' users but I think what they're seeing is that prosumer/hobbyist users are flocking to the S9 and the casuals are going to get something sub $750 and not this $1k+ camera and system. Totally agree with you.
I still think despite all of that, it's worth a purchase if you're a prosumer or hobbyist photographer/videographer since the shooting experience takes a bit to get used to because you're really just getting used to the omissions, but once you do, it's a great camera and the image quality is quite mind blowing if I'm being honest. What are you shooting on instead?
@@oxeneers Exactly. The S9 is not conventional for photography. At all. However, like you said, it has all the capabilities. I’ve never really used a touch screen on a camera for anything but reviewing pics. In some ways it requires faith in the camera to pull it off. My confidence grows each time I trust it and let it do its do. The standard color is straight up Leica and it rocks. I gotta be honest, I really soured on the Fuji scene. The negativity and know it alls are not my gig. There are lots of friendly LUMIX RUclipsrs who get what I do and welcome creativity. When it comes down to it, even with all the hate, this is a true creator camera and I dig it!
@@oxeneersthe sigma 45mm is small and fairly affordable. Plenty available used also!
If you enjoy the Lumix primes, try the Sigma primes. I use the Sigma 45mm and 65 mm and they are an excellent pair for the S9.
Hey Hassan - thanks for watching and YES, I have been really trying to get my hands on them. Local Samy's never has them, Amazon in my area is through a sketch third party seller, and B&H and Adorama are my options there so we'll see. But the 45mm seems to be a no-brainer, yeah?
Absolutely, the 45mm seems to make the S9 almost Leica like in the presentation. Almost 😅. Either way that and the 65 and 90mm almost seem designed for the S9.
@@oxeneers I had Panasonic 35 f1.8 but sold it and got Sigma 45 f2.8. It fits my S9 much better and the output is quite similar to my all time favourite lens which is Fuji XF 35 f1.4. Metal build and aperture ring also bring experience much closer to Fuji.
Dylan
Great video and review. The 2 main drawbacks in my opinion is no EVF and no hot shoe. This is essentially a daylight and no shade camera. With out a flash capable camera this is extremely limiting.
Ty
Agreed - I think the video quality in low light is fantastic and I've been really impressed. But for stills, yes, you're on the money there. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Oh I’m excited to hear what you think. I’m a big big Lumix lover now
Yea dude! I have been on the sidelines watching for quite some time now. Still waiting for more videos from you haha!!
@ this week I should be back. I was shooting the g9ii and s5ii and decided to pick one of them and commit. New lens should be delivered on Tuesday if the postal strike is averted…
@@heymikeriley Oh wow - now I'm looking up the postal strike haha. Which one did you choose? I know with wildlife it's kind of a different discussion but the S5iix looks so sexy with that blacked out design and fan haha.
To add a mechanical shutter and EVF they would have to give up the form factor and add a massive grip to fit the battery.. The S9 is meant to be its own line rather than a compact S5II like Sony do with their C line. The lack of a hotshot makes sense given you can't use a flash with electronic shutter anyway. It would only be for a microphone. It is a bit mean though!
Love that analysis - thank you for watching! And you're right, although I think it's an odd omission (the hot shoe) but you're right on other points.
Cool video. Hope to see vids featuring your work with the S9 soon. Congrats. It's a very cool little creative powerhouse with the Lumix Lab app.
Thanks man! Really appreciate the love and you watching the video - some of the photos I've taken recently kind of took my breath away (coming from APS-C) when processing in Lightroom or on device. So frickin cool. "Creative powerhouse" - I love that, you're totally on the money with that.
It's a truly bare bones camera, a Ff sensor in a small package. A canon dslr and mirrorless user like myself could not even imagine a camera without a decent number of wheels. Not to mention the "range finder look" without a range finder or even A finder at all :)
So this kind of camera is not for you. Many many people love it like it is.
@@andersistbesser That's what i said. But Is it the price of the size that they love the most?
It feels very much like a barebones mechanical keyboard where you kind of have to 'build' it yourself - and yes, the lack of wheels and buttons as I said is a big bummer. But I'm getting used to it haha. Thanks for watching Jack!
Thanks. Good talk. Am thinking of getting it with the 18 mm and 50 mm. What do you think of those two lenses as good all around two lens dad cam set? Thanks.
I have the 50mm f1.8, got it with the camera, I'll do a follow up on the 35/50 and 20-60 kit that I'm shooting with lately. I still think the new 18-40 is going to be the ultimate lens for the S9 but let's see how this all plays out. But yes, I will for sure share the shots I've done with the 50! I have some on my Flickr too - flickr.com/oxeneers
Being a Lumix shooter NO other camera company continues to develop their cameras with firmware updates. Other companies make you purchase the next camera instead of unlocking those features for free with firmware updates.
You're 1000% right. This camera/the software response really takes me back to the early days of Fujifilm - this 'kaizen' methodology is so refreshing. They could have easily kept REAL-TIME LUTS exclusive to the S9 but they didn't. That goes a LONG way in my book.
Also, the software itself is expertly designed and the responsiveness and clean UI (over other manufacturers) is a huge breath of fresh air. Loving what they're doing - thank you for watching!!!
I never use the mechanical shutter on any camera. Camera lasts longer this way and i dont see any advantages with mechanical shutter.
Hey man, thanks for watching! And yes, you're right. Tons of "pros" to not having a mechanical shutter - this is one of them. I have never had MS issues myself but I'm sure you've seen all the 'stuck' shutters and repairs that people have to do out there. It's a bummer - but yes, only having an ES has a ton of benefits like not worrying about that stuff.
lol any advantages? I mean I use electronic whenever I can but there are times where you just can’t. No advantages is the absolute wrong statement
@ i use led lights for filming and photography and i do make money with my camera. I dont need mechanical shutter for anything , for me it has absolutely no advantages using mechanical. In my opinion most customers of this kind of camera will never miss this feature.
@@oxeneers ja nikon z9 is a real pro camera and it does not have mechanical either. I think this is the future.
Heads-up--mislabled #4.
Thank you! Fixed
Well stated. The S9 truly is an amazing camera. To me, this camera is a testament to why people should never take RUclips influencers opinions as whole sale truth.
This camera, to me, is one of the best day to day cameras when it comes to street photography. Panasonic lenses are very good.
It really is! I get the influencer schtick where you have to pander to your audience but these days, I think honesty and a good point of view goes a lot further.
And yes, as someone who owns the X-T5 and GRiiix, I am finding myself picking the S9 + 35mm f1.8 more often now. Yes, it's new to me but the quality is also a breath of fresh air. The lenses are what surprised me most - you're right! Thanks for watching!!
The price is too high for what the camera offers. No mechanical shutter and no hot shoe for almost the price of anS5 II is just too much.
I hear you - I think there's, still, some value here for being FF at this price point with IBIS + interchangeable lenses.
Probably an app development premium included in the price...
Rangefinder style, without an EVF? 😂
It's an interesting choice for sure!
I am not saying this camera is totally a joke, but between love or hate it, we should hate it for the brand having pressure to solve the limitation of this camera (no useful pancake lense, no viewfinder, no mechanical shutter, no pop up flash)
I agree, and thank you for watching! The lack of a strong pancake lens is really baffling. I think I saw another video where someone said the 26mm f8 MF lens was "a joke" and almost like "a meme" haha. Very true. Not sure why Lumix/Panasonic can't put out a real true pancake lens like Canon, Nikon (40mm f2 is GREAT) and others have been able to do. The no flash is disappointing but I'm sure the marketshare for that isn't quite there.. the EVF and MS are strange, though. Appreciate your comment!
I'm interested to hear your thoughts from someone that wasn't on the japan trip. 🤣😅
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Lol the problem with researching this camera is there's so much content out there but it's hard to parse what's real and what's heavily biased 🤷♂