Stopper 37mm: A Simple South African Riot Control Gun
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The Stopper is a simple 37mm single shot riot control gun designed by Andries Piek in 1980. The South African police services were at that time using 37mm guns made by Federal Labs in the US, dating back to the 1930s, and the international embargo on South Africa made it impossible to get parts and do basic maintenance on those arms. So Piek (whose other work included the BXP carbine/SMG and design improvements to the LDP/Kommando) whipped out the Stopper in all of two weeks to provide a new domestic-production 37mm weapon for the police.
The Stopper is a simple break-action gun, with a manually cocked, single action, hammer-fired trigger mechanism. Two versions were made, one with the front grip and one without, and all were fitted with collapsing stocks. Production began in 1982 and ran until 1999, by Mitco Special Products under the Milkor name.
As an interesting postscript, Piek was inspired by seeing Christopher Walken using a Mannville 25mm revolving gas gun in the movie Dogs of War to make something similar in 37mm or 40mm. The gun he designed to this end became the Milkor MGL, adopted by South Africa in 1983 and by the US Marine Corps in 2005.
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"Heh heh... is it supposed to do that?"
Typically that's not something you want to hear on a firing range....
The Rogue Wolf
More so as the one with the gun
I recall saying that as the slide lock slipped out of the .357 autoloader I was trying out and it disassembled itself in my hands, with a round in the chamber.
@@Hawk1966 wow, bet that was a bit worrisome
Luckily we were just casually wasting time while the shop was working on my buddies Desert Eagle. I don't like to think about if it were a need to shoot situation.
@@Hawk1966 Was at the range the other day with my dad and the ejection rod, spring and housing on his SAA flew forward into the range after a shot. The RO called cease fire and got the parts back for us. Ended up being just a loose screw, nothing major, and was easily fixable, but it looked a lot worse at the range.
1:24
“It’s simple, and it works”
Cobray terminator: *depressed screaming*
what a comment :3
The terminator was an impractical design that had no place in the market. This gun is proof that just because the gun is cheaply made, doesnt mean it isnt reliable
Oh no
Cobray is simple but it dont fuckin work
Songbird but if this stopper lethal?
As we can see Ian's laugh was designed for crowd control. Firing from an open bolt, his giggle is capable of sustained high RPM operation. When in this mode the shooter can rely on the internal magazine can hold 30 giggle (gig) cartridges or 5 high caliber laugh (haha) rounds. Some versions we able to make use of the valley girl (teehee) shells however with this example being full-auto uses the standard round. Switching calibers just requires adjustment to the feed lips and adjustments to the gas settings. This sytem uses a gas blowback design with venting in the nose and bum. This is a low production model that emphasized quality over quantity. In fact it's believed only one was produced.
Anyone else read that im Ian's voice?
Naw he sounds like sans undertale
This totally should be pinned! Just brilliant :D
Mike O'Barr d
Mike O'Barr, I am so glad I'd already put down my coffee before I read this comment, otherwise I might have had a disaster on my hands. You should put up a "SNORF ALERT!" first when you write something like this!
"John I want a divorce"
4:38
im your 69 likes and im proud of it
big brain humor
Gregorio This has me going Deja Vu, thank you for reminding me
Joe Ligmama hello joe. Who are you?
Hehehehehehehehe
3:55
We’re taking enemy machine gun fire, get down!
Im dying 😂😂
WrathMachine
Fully semi automatic assault sheep
iLikeButton 447 he sounds like Elmer fud
@Waldo thatll hold em all right heheheheheheheheheeheh
He's sans
Ian’s little giggle after the first round made me like this video
brandon rentschler I just hear sans
“Probably because he has no legs, but that’s not my problem” lol
American police in a nutshell
@@ruben_2302 my, I hope that's a joke
@@sumvs5992 it's pretty accurate
Timestamp?
Gaycer What? How? Why would a criminal be committing crimes with no legs? Why is it a police thing when it sounds like something criminals would say? This requires thought it seems I can’t think of
"He's refused the order to disperse... probably because he has no legs, but that's not my problem!"
Gun Jesus always delivers the lolz!
That is pretty much SAPS reasoning
Someone mixed a high explosive round in with the riot control ammo as Rubber Dummy found out during his last demonstration.
@@jjohnston94 I can't really blame them. If you are rioting and destroying a city, the police are going to respond as they should. They choose to use a less lethal (usually harmless other than some irritation) method of stopping a riot and a freak accident happened. That's not on them, they HAVE to stop the riot somehow. The people rioting CHOSE to riot, they CHOSE to damage private and public property, and they CHOSE to disobey police orders to disperse, knowing fully well that rubber bullets, pepper balls, mace, and tear gas are all common consequences of rioting.
You play stupid games, you win stupid prices. I'm sorry that girl lost an eye, but she shouldn't have been there.
@@dragonstormdipro1013 If you think a riot and a protest are the same thing, then there's no point in even talk to you.
@@jjohnston94 So she was just standing in a crowd of rioters minding her own business? I'll say it again. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
When the police start mowing down rioters with actual bullets, THEN feel free to compare stuff like this to the Boston massacre. As of now, using a normally harmless means of riot control does not amount in any way to a mass killing by a tyrannical government.
How many times does a non-military person in their life get to say “UXO down range!”
I’m jealous
In America 37mm "fireworks launchers" are completely unrestricted, just like black powder guns and you can buy them through the mail. They're a lot of fun
3:49 "Be vewy qwiet. We're hunting cwouds. Huehuehuehuehue!"
Can we just appreciate that laugh thoroughly?
Exact thought!
did he say that
His laugh doesnt sound like that m8
A very aptly named gun. If I ever start a gun company, my first pistol will be the Shooter 9mm.
Chubby Catfish yeet cannon
No change it to Shoota
golden.
@@intelligentgrawlix794 OI LOV DA SOUND O' ME SHOOTA, DONT YIU?!
There is one in the Philippines
“Disperse in the name of the United Fruit Company!”
Jack Andersen that’s surprisingly accurate.
A little history,
My Father U.S.M.C. 1938-1945 knew many Marines who fought in the Banana wars.
Then worked for the United Fruit later United Brands company.
The shit that company has done.....
Knut Der Große the inspiration for Weyland-Yutani
Not funny, still too soon.
But I have no le... *OOFFFF*
2:03, 2:38 I just love Ian's Sound effects
Blup actually goes kaplup
@@kamilvankravv5524 Just physics man
With the third flash bank he laughed like Elmer Fudd from the looney toon cartoons
B L O O P
3:55
5:36 " He's refused the order to disperse. Probably because he's got no legs but that's not my problem"
🤣🤣🤣
I carried one of these :-). Indeed it looked like it had been designed in a week or two. But it was well-built, and simple.
As for the baton round (or 'rubber bullet'), we were trained to never aim it at people. It can be lethal if it strikes the wrong part of the body, or cause a serious injury. Instead, it should be aimed at the ground in front of the unruly crowd. The ricochet causes the round to spin in an unpredictable trajectory, tending to strike the legs of the people in the crowd. This encourages larger numbers of them to leave the scene.
I recall Ian shooting some rubber Thompson ammo which was supposed to be used in the same way.
Except for the ones with the broken legs. They're not going much of anywhere.
@@olisk-jy9rz maybe a couple toes
I remember that the police and soldiers in Northern Ireland had to ban using rubber rounds as they where being used incorrectly. The police and soldiers where aiming them at people and at very close range. There where a few deaths and many major injuries from rubber rounds. The government had to approve a new crowd control projectile, it was 37mm and was solid plastic and they called it a baton round. Apparently they had less deaths when used.
Why not just make lighter loads?
Holds large cal weapon, giggles like an idiot...
This is why i love this channel
Me too
Wildfire in South Africa Started by American RUclipsr
Why Jay I misread that as "Wildlife in South Africa startled by American RUclipsr."
Well, a sudden wildfire would be pretty startling.
malusignatius But the fire was startled by the RUclipsr...
@@kabob0077 Ian uses Stopper 37mm on the Wildfire!
IT WAS
Not very effective at all, he should have used the fire extinguisher.
Wildfire in South Africa started by gun Jesus
*in case the rioters have air support*
5:38 The return of Limbless Larry's rioting and anarchy has led him to this moment.
So ends his reign of terror
You could write a history book but just relate events through firearms.
He has been writing a couple about exactly that.
www.headstamppublishing.com/french-rifle-book
www.headstamppublishing.com/chinese-pistols
I would love one that explains the last 50 100 years of weapons design in relation to political and economic development.
So it seams to be a lot of different guns that come out of South Africa, why I'm assuming a home grown development due to trade bans.
Or lime the P90/mp7 was a pdw to fight the USSR. What other weapons have this back story.
That's what I like about FW. There is a strong connection to human/social history if you pay attention.
I have a bunch of those old baton rounds from my grandfather. They’re really scary, 100 grams of very solid rubber. Apparently the cops used to aim them a couple of meters in front of the rioters so the batons would bounce up at groin height into the crowd.
That also takes some of the force out-helps keeping them less lethal.
Yes this is the correct way to use these rounds shot into the ground so they tumble end over end into the crowd , using them direct will result in broken ribs and other injuries
@@steves6823 I think I'd rather suffer a full force rib cracking impact, than a reduced force groin impact.
Even more, I'd rather not be at the very front of the crowd. Or if I was, I'd be wearing a damn cup.
@@steves6823 The fatalities (17) caused by rubber bullets in Ireland were a result of direct fire rather than using the (proper) method you described..
@@scottcantdance804 Plenty of folks have been killed by rubber bullets,I'd rather take the ricochet tbh..
"--he has refused the order to disperse, probably 'cause he has no legs but that's not my problem."
Spoken like a real police officer, nice job
This comment is aged like a fine wine right about now.
@@thecloner212 lol yep...
when riot control misses their one and only shot
2:10
lmao i love his laugh
3:55 that laugh XD
I'm in danger
3:54 the new peter griffin
Bennyboy under rated comment
Lol
That demented giggle is pure magic
Sounds like Peter and Seth rogen
More like General Melchett
South Africa is underappreciated when it comes to effective, simple designs.
Like slavery?
@@jadenpongracz7438 bruh
@@jadenpongracz7438 wtf
@@jadenpongracz7438
More apartheid but ok.
@@jadenpongracz7438 more segregation but ok
Ian seems to be having a blast (no pun intended) in all these South African videos
Also, SA really know how to name their guns!
I want one lol. They should turn that front grip backwards like on an amd-65
Inhuman Filth they look like they’d be a great stress relief! Imagine blowing the shit out of random objects after a crappy day at work 😂
@@matthayward7889 After?
*Hey boss, come in here.* *kaplup*
Hiznogood brilliant!
When introduced into Northern Ireland, the opposition soon learnt 'Don't turn your back to them'. The idea is actually to aim in front and bounce them onto the target, direct hit, they are lethal.
If Ian wasnt doing forgotten weapons I think he'd have a successful career as a comedian
It's only funny if someone loses an eye.
@@stoneblue1795 or their legs....
Something about Ian saying "Is it supposed to do that?" Gets me every time. Not the most settling thing to hear someone say when messing with a grenade launcher
He enjoyed this gun way too much. Was giggling like an idiot for most of the video. It make me smile.
I don't see why a riot control gun would need to be any more complicated than this.
Pls
"extra persuasive power"
BELIVE ME THE D CELL WORKED A TREAT HAD LEKKER OOMPF THANKS EVER READY . DURACELL WERE FAR TO PRICEY FOR US TROOPIES
Could you try getting your hands on other riot weapons and ammo? Non-lethal weapons are a facinating subject. The millitary has illumination ammunition for 37 and 40 mm. Hand held illumination launchers are also cool if you like pyrotechnics, though this may be on the fringes of your preferred topics.
I believe they use the term "less than lethal" these days.
Do a bit of research on the injurys sustained by French yellow vests...
@@CS-zn6pp As the police as demonstrated all over the world they take the "less lethal" as a challenge rather than a classification
“Be vewy vewy qwiet, I’m dispersing crowds”
3:56
OH MY GOODNESS so *that's* what those things from my random toy box were! Thanks, Ian, now I finally know they were 37mm Stopper rounds!
I used to have a few of those casings which I got from somewhere (amongst other misc. things that struck my 10yo fancy -- ranged from Mecano parts to projector lenses). I distinctly remember one shell was silvery white and completely empty and the other was a metallic maroon with a rubber "slug" in. I picked that term up from my dad, whom I guess assumed it was for some sort of beefy crowd-control shotgun -- not far off actually. Anyway, he got it from someone who found it lying around in the veld near where we lived (Gauteng's North-Eastern countryside -- plenty of firing ranges around in the area). He thought it might be a cool thing to see for a little boy, which it damn well was given my wild imagination. Being a hoarder too, I eventually chucked it in said toy box.
The baton round couldn't have been live though. I remember the "slug" could shift forward and backwards in there, so the propellant must have been gone (traning round?). Still, I knew enough of firearms to have the sense to never try striking the shiny little ignition cap at the back.
I threw it out years later when I was cleaning my room. Was kinda sad to part with it, but now the memory is finally complete. I now know what they were used for!
"What do you mean less-lethal?!" -Every middle eastern riot police officer after killing five protesters with 40mm CS grenade headshots.
Well to be honest it was still less lethal than 40mm HE headshots
AND IN CHILE
Unfortunately too late for Rhodesia
@@DiamondkeyOwO nah I say the CS is more lethal cause getting trick shot by a thin Pepsi can kills your soul too
@@bringbackgreedypulldef287 well you aint wrong
Literally makes me smile to see gunjesus who laid hands on so many firearms finding a device making him enjoy himself like that between all this general stuff :D
"Here's the shell.
*B L O O P*"
I can listen to Ian's laughter for days.
This is my favorite forgotten weapons video. Ian looked like he was having fun firing the 37mm stopper... I don't blame him i would too. 👍
Ian is basically the gun version of Cody from Cody's Lab
All the coolest people look the same.
This guy has way too much fun at his job. He hasn't worked a day since he started doing this, and won't work for the rest of his life. And he gets paid. I should be so lucky.
3:55 butthead laugh made the video lol
It is like if Skeletor gained some weight
Hahaha
2:11 too! :D
Sounds more like elmer fudd to me.
Loved that, yeah.
The pure joy, clearly visible... Precious. ^^
I love a gun thats mechanically simple and just as effective.
"I'm Johnny Knoxvile... and this is Forgotten Weapons!
You know a range day is good when half of what's heard on the background is "Aw fuck" followed by laughter.
A 10 meter version of the flash bang would be nice for getting the neighbor's cat out of my yard.
Also, it would get you become temporarily deaf & blind, and crash all of your window glasses...
@@mariosebastiani3214 awesome! I want one!
I was looking for one, I settled for a super soaker instead.
I want a job inventing crazy ammo for this thing.
May I recommend a round filled with spiders!
@@africanelectron751 Jesus
Invent a longer barrel version and arm it with HEAT shells
Fill it with maggots ~
Fill it with human feces.
Absolutely love that you're still on with this channel - this has been nothing short of fascinating for years, now. Thanks for all the work and a happy New Year to you. May you see many more years of success.
I love the guns manufactured in SA they’re so to purpose!
AlextheWormKing and bloody effective...
Ian being happy while firing this thing made me happy. Glad he has as much fun as it looks like he’s having
I love this channel! I don’t own any for of gun, but I love to hear about the history and how and why. Keep up the good work.
Love seeing what happens down range. It would be a welcome addition to every shooting video!
In south Africa, you wont be asked to dispense... you'll be told to "Fok off!!"(depending on the policemen on duty)
When you get a mod for your Lewis LMG that makes laughing sounds 3:56
Press repeatedly for modded ww1 ambience
*Hehehehehe*
Enemy trench was been sucefully captured.
@@nottheatf5608 thank you for this treasure
That laugh, you guys are havin too much fun!
This thing is the definition of "You have been commanded to stop"
I’m gonna say “bloop” whenever I’m loading a gun from now on.
that giggle, is the giggle of a man who just found his new favourite thing in life.
I'd love to see some actual impact testing with those baton rounds, measuring the actual force they hit with. Honestly they look pretty scary.
Yeah, the way it hit Mr. Dummy seemed like it'd have broken a rib.
Guess that's why they're supposed to be ricocheted off the ground.
You know, im starting to not be so offended by all the "necklacings" that happened across south africa. Ian really opened a new perspective up to me.
Having seen first hand the damage this does to an unarmored persons face I can guarantee you that it should scare whoever it's pointed at
Another fine presentation young feller, I note you have a million subscribers so others believe you are 'the man' when it comes to former era weaponry.
See, now when I carried something similar on patrol in the Angolan bush, it was a grenade launcher. We called it the Snotneus (Snot Nose). I used to have a bloody bandolier of the stuff across my chest. It was a bit dicey on the shooting range though , you never knew if the rounds would go off as planned and would have to go "make safe" at least 3 or 4 from and afternoons worth of shooting with the bastards.
BTW, the South Africans came up with some interesting crowd-control munitions (CS, baton, "bird-bangers", etc.) for use in 25/26.5 mm flare launchers.
Re: "D cell batteries field expedient performance upgrade" The S.A. police weren't averse to using those "bird-bangers" in a "ankle-biter" mode, skipping them along the ground, where the blast would spray loose gravel to painful effect.
In the 1970's, during violent Panamanian protests against the US Canal Zone, the ROE limited US forces to very short-tange LTL ordnance, primarily CS-based. One of the prevalent types, was a large air/ground burst grenade, filled with CS powder. These were launched from M-14's and even M1 Garands, with "spigot" attachments. When the Panamanians started showing up wearing gas-masks, the CS had little effect. Soldiers began modifying the grenades, cutting several slits just through the outer paper-fiber casing. Thus modified, the rounds remained largely intact after the relatively weak burst charge had fired, becoming an effective "kinetic" round. One of my ROTC NCO's told me about him using the modified grenades to knock climbers off of the perimeter fence.
Impressive thinking.
@@michaelkeha
If you really want to know about crowd control, look at the israelis. They've basically perfected it into an artform without caring about possible injuries. They sometimes go as far as shooting protestors in non-vital areas, especially with .22 bullets, just so they'll be carried out of the protest, thereby taking out several men at once.
I live in SA, and when there are riots, which is basically everyday, we here very loud bangs coming from the university. Could that be the grenade launchers?
@Mike Spencer
One possibility, but it could be grenade launching systems firing teargas-grenades or another non-lethal. Hand-thrown ones have been losing popularity because they're very likely to be thrown back.
2:11 That chuckle killed me.
I loved it when Ian giggled and said "Is it supposed to do that?"
I love how much fun he’s having here!! It makes my day
2:03 The way he says 'Bluep' and laughs a few seconds later is quite the wholesome thing to observe.
I used one of those.. And as far as D cells are concerned, that is true. Some guys did.
The rubber bullets were as gunnery instruction supposed to be fired at the ground in front of the crowd and bounce at least twice before entering the crowd.
We used to get issued rubber / stopper rounds, cs gas, various colour smoke rounds, flash bangs and flares.
With riot/crowd control it was firstly warning to disperse peacefully within a specific amount of time. Failure to do so would start with unit members riot gear clad doing baton charges
With the addition of quirts (a long thin plastic whip with an elongated thick tip normally round or squarish) and then step two which was the use of teargas from the stopper and from cup dischargers mounted on R1 rifles using ballastite cartridges to launch them, the R1 butt being placed in the hip and barrel at a 45 degree angle, rubber bullets from the stopper and shotguns (normally the Beretta 200 and 202 pump action or the Browning semi auto) and dogs commonly referred to as "tandmasjiene" or teeth machines. Thereafter the use of birdshot from shotguns and teargas.
Thereafter would be limited selected aimed and directed fire on command by the officer in control.
The quirts is still called a 'plastic zorro' in South Africa
3:55 he has literally become Elmer Fudd
The title of this video is great lol.
Just a cute, simple, affordable...
*Riot control shotgun*
It's always good to see someone enjoying himself with his hobby :)
I had a right proper giggle, you can’t beat this, wish they kept making em
Very Kool!! Nice Elmer J. Fudd laugh......
It borderlines between homemade to poorly factory made.
thats "Proudly South African made"
Considering the creator only spent two weeks to design and produce, not really surprising.
It acrually looks quite good.
Simple to build, maintain low cost and easy to use.
Look at the rounds that were manufactured for it. The markings are clear, color coded for effect and range.
In a country where resources are limited due to embargoes or shortages this is an outstanding answer.
Worked every time.
@@loosecannon8340 ....yeah, two more days design and it would have had a picatinny rail and been Parkerized.....
If it's been 30 years and still working, it's fine!
Well, Rats! I'm just finally getting ready to lay down and a Forgotten Weapons video shows up. That will be another six minutes and thirty-five seconds lost sleep today.
You mean, gained fun, right...?😉
@@MichaelBerthelsen Shh...quiet...I'm now asleep.
U sleep?
Something about the sound when you extract those shells is supremely satisfying.
It is so nice to watch someone genuinely enjoying their work.
Another great example of a concealed carry firearm, thank you gun Jesus.
2:11 how to spot happy men :D
Gun Jesus, working on the evil giggle
"He has refused my order to disperse... probably because he has no legs, but that's not my problem." Heartless.
Ian has the most infectious laugh. Although when the round went UXO I was so hoping he'd quote "Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth shattering kaboom!"
"Blooop.... hahaheha" LOL
Good ole apartide firearms... violence does create innovation sadly
That's a tube with a trigger and some springs, hardly innovating.
I believe it is called "apartheit" which means sth like "seperate-ness"...
@@martialme84 You're both wrong, apartheid. You have google
@@moiseman Maybe he means innovation in the sense of cost cutting, simplification and improvisation? Getting a product that still does what it needs to despite that is a form of innovation I think.
@@bradingram2214 Not the forum for this type of discussion. This is about guns, nothing more.
3:55 "Im hunting wabbits"
3:55 when u discover the true potential of the weapon
I really like your videos on forgotten weapons probably the best videos on RUclips thank you
Getting shot with one of those baton rounds must suck. I wonder if thats enough force to break a rib at that range.
Also, Ian's child-like gleeful laughter is worth my upvote alone. Great stuff as usual.
3:54 your laughter reminds me of stephen fry in blackadder
3:54 sponge bob when he finds a Simple South African Riot Control Gun
Ian's laugh cures cancer
You were having too much fun with that. Would love to see the outtake reel from this!
Probably seen this man shoot 50 different weapons and never a giggle like this. It must be good.
3:56 when you smoke a protester in the face.
If you just forget these were used to force Apartheid they look very fun.
Who am I kidding, they look fun regardless.
@@ronzor007 Please don't breathe anymore.
The eternal dilemma of any weapons enthusiast: "It's so cool... but used for such evil... but so cool!!!"
You probably knew nothing of apartheid and know nothing about South Africa at this moment.
But yeah, thanks Ian for an excellent video.
@@ronzor007 While the current SA climate is definitely fucked, saying there's nothing wrong with apartheid is infinitely stupid. The fact a Dutch guy had to tell you that says enough.
Neil “Criminals” like those nasty protesters wanting to... vote.
"And would drop D-Batteries down the barrel"
Yeah... sounds like your classical riotcop. They just wont admit they are into SM
Cool gun! Insane how it has literally no kick to it at all.
I read somewhere that Baton rounds were NOT supposed to be fired directly at the body but aimed at the ground just in front of the crowd to ricochet into them at no more than leg height.
I love how this guy laughs.
HUEHUEHEUHEHUEHUHEUEHUEHUEHAHA.
It's like something out of a cartoon.
That'll take care of some fookin prawns for sure.
Is that a reference to the south african movie where the aliens parked above a city
All the cool stuff that you've gotten to shoot, Ian, and the riot gun makes you giggle? :) Love this channel...
Just watched a video of Milkor's new Stopper Convertible, I am actually surprised by how much this weapon has evovled.