Awesome BO. This confirms what I head in the back of my mind. Collect all resources first to minimize walking time, which with 9 villagers is a quite significant drop of your resource gather rate. Gonna try this in team games where maps are larger and the rush timings are typically later.
Valdemar after using this guide my win rate went up. I came back here to thank you ! I hope you can make a video of how Abbasids can counter English. To me you're among the top 5 players 👍🏻
Thanks for the awesome guide! Gonna give it a try. Always love watching your streams or Aussie Drongos casted games of you. I always root for you because of the narrative he has set up for you.
I'm returning to aoe 4 after 2 seasons and I really appreciate both that your are pushing the limits to Abbasid play style and that you are willing to share. As an Abbasid player I looked up high level games in AOE world and I cant tell you how much I have learned from watching you play military wing this patch. Again thank you and well wishes.
efficent isnt quit the word i would use :D the mill is pointless to many guys on gold to many on food after age up tried it twice with my ideas think ill can get it under 6 min with second tc around 5:40 thired under 6 on every map, but to be fair he put more work into this build than ill did just the fine tuning seemed off to me
This is very good guide! :) I got inspired and tried variant with golden age first. Managed to do golden age in ~3:30, having 15% ghater rate for 17-22 vils. It costs me 50 more wood and 50 more food. I have managed to be ~5 seconds faster, but it depends on map layout.
I also do tgis and its quite good. When placed good the TC also give some cover from raiding as well. Juat priority on speara for only knoghts can dive that eaely.
I just tried the build and it's really fun. If you don't get attacked early you know it's game over for your opponent. And it's also really fun to push my gold level macro to the limits with 3TC. 😂
The most ressource efficient way to build is with only one villager. Wouldn't it be more effective to pull one villager to start the first towncenter as soon as you got the ressources to get a head start? And then when you got the resources for the second one you can put the rest.
Pulling one villager away early would increase time to reach the resources required to build a 3rd TC. I think this essentially negates the head start you would get on your 2nd TC, so not really worth it considering the added micro
Another thing to consider is that it gives you flexibility to react. You are most vulnerable while building the TC because you've already invested the resources without any returns. Waiting and fully committing allows you to adapt and invest the resources in military production and units in case you get rushed and need to defend first.
@@TomBrosch you are absolutely right. This is something I would only attempt if I know that I don't get rushed. It is only that when you send one villager to build early you sacrifice 4seconds on the 3rd tc timing for ~26% of the buildtime of the 2nd tc (if you plan to build your 2nd tc with 10vills you trade ~4seconds on your third for ~10seconds on your second.) It is minimal but slightly more optimal
Play reactionary, meaning, respond to the composition of your opponent. If they are going feudal, then, in then case of the common knight+archer composition, you can counter with spearmen+horsemen. The goal of the build is to stay alive long enough to build an economy that eventually can support an overwhelming force. :)
so a friend showed me this build and a few things ill found it improves it you can skip the mill its pointless just usless walking time, 3 on gold is enough works perfectly also after age up only 3 on sheep is also enough if you wait for a few (3-5) extra sec for the food, you can get with this fertile cresent researched before you need the second house you also if it is close than get your mill and the "4 houses" he said in the video seems also really off to me ill think 2 of these buildings should be atleast lumber camps for higher wood efficeny, have still small mistakes in the build (2 attempts) but im 99% sure you can get this exact set up in under 6 min on every map
Abbasid winrate will hit the floor once people not used to this macro heavy, and greedy builds are going to spam it on ladder and get destroyed by any aggression. Gonna be one of them, because it looks awesome.
It's incredible how Kevin De Bruyne can be both a UCL winner and an AoE4 top player, amazing!
I am not even red-haired!
@@Valdemar1902 ahahahah you somehow look like him anyways 😂 just joking. Keep on with the good job your videos are very interesting.
I find this comparison quite fun and well noticed 😂❤Valde is awesome
He's strawberry blonde! Great video btw 👍
Special thanks for making the build order available in the description. Much appreciated.
No problem!
Such a simple change to drop both of them at the same time, but it sounds great. The definition of a Boom. I hope this is successful.
Awesome BO. This confirms what I head in the back of my mind. Collect all resources first to minimize walking time, which with 9 villagers is a quite significant drop of your resource gather rate. Gonna try this in team games where maps are larger and the rush timings are typically later.
Valdemar after using this guide my win rate went up.
I came back here to thank you !
I hope you can make a video of how Abbasids can counter English.
To me you're among the top 5 players 👍🏻
This is smooth as butter, I love it.
Thanks for the BO Valdemar.
Glad you like it! :)
Thanks for the awesome guide! Gonna give it a try. Always love watching your streams or Aussie Drongos casted games of you. I always root for you because of the narrative he has set up for you.
I'm returning to aoe 4 after 2 seasons and I really appreciate both that your are pushing the limits to Abbasid play style and that you are willing to share. As an Abbasid player I looked up high level games in AOE world and I cant tell you how much I have learned from watching you play military wing this patch. Again thank you and well wishes.
This comment just made my day! :)
Wow that is quite the strong and efficient greedy opening. 100% going to try this out.
Many thanks for sharing and posting :)
efficent isnt quit the word i would use :D the mill is pointless to many guys on gold to many on food after age up tried it twice with my ideas think ill can get it under 6 min with second tc around 5:40 thired under 6 on every map, but to be fair he put more work into this build than ill did just the fine tuning seemed off to me
Amazing video! Love the abbasid content mate i gonna try this 😎 have a good day!
This is very good guide! :)
I got inspired and tried variant with golden age first. Managed to do golden age in ~3:30, having 15% ghater rate for 17-22 vils. It costs me 50 more wood and 50 more food.
I have managed to be ~5 seconds faster, but it depends on map layout.
I also do tgis and its quite good. When placed good the TC also give some cover from raiding as well. Juat priority on speara for only knoghts can dive that eaely.
thank you man, awesome guide
Great build! Keep up the quality content good sir.
I just tried the build and it's really fun. If you don't get attacked early you know it's game over for your opponent. And it's also really fun to push my gold level macro to the limits with 3TC. 😂
Nicely done bulid order, keep it up!
You had me at Abbasid! EZ sub
again nice guides!
Powerful build xx please forgive my past transgressions
in the transcription you forgot to mention moving 4 from berries to straggler tree. thx for the guides
with the most recent patch this can be even a little faster now with fresh food stuff being 50 gold less
@valdemar is there a guide for following this build up and getting aggresive?
hello valdemar, i hope your okay. I was wondering if you have a perfect 2 TC build with abbasid
Enjoy the content mate, you should post twitch replays like DeMu does, to your youtube channel!
Can you make a how to stop English rush with Byzantines or hre video ?
The most ressource efficient way to build is with only one villager. Wouldn't it be more effective to pull one villager to start the first towncenter as soon as you got the ressources to get a head start? And then when you got the resources for the second one you can put the rest.
Pulling one villager away early would increase time to reach the resources required to build a 3rd TC. I think this essentially negates the head start you would get on your 2nd TC, so not really worth it considering the added micro
@@SideQuest3 if you pull one from stone you would need ~4seconds more to gather ressources for the third.
Another thing to consider is that it gives you flexibility to react. You are most vulnerable while building the TC because you've already invested the resources without any returns. Waiting and fully committing allows you to adapt and invest the resources in military production and units in case you get rushed and need to defend first.
@@TomBrosch you are absolutely right. This is something I would only attempt if I know that I don't get rushed. It is only that when you send one villager to build early you sacrifice 4seconds on the 3rd tc timing for ~26% of the buildtime of the 2nd tc (if you plan to build your 2nd tc with 10vills you trade ~4seconds on your third for ~10seconds on your second.) It is minimal but slightly more optimal
Thanks for doing the math. Sounds reasonable.
If you were to do a 4 TC build, how would you change this? Wanting to do it in team games :D
New to AOE4, whats the follow up here and/or whats a good unit comp for Abbas??
Play reactionary, meaning, respond to the composition of your opponent. If they are going feudal, then, in then case of the common knight+archer composition, you can counter with spearmen+horsemen. The goal of the build is to stay alive long enough to build an economy that eventually can support an overwhelming force. :)
The haircut tho...
so a friend showed me this build and a few things ill found it improves it you can skip the mill its pointless just usless walking time, 3 on gold is enough works perfectly also after age up only 3 on sheep is also enough if you wait for a few (3-5) extra sec for the food, you can get with this fertile cresent researched before you need the second house you also if it is close than get your mill and the "4 houses" he said in the video seems also really off to me ill think 2 of these buildings should be atleast lumber camps for higher wood efficeny, have still small mistakes in the build (2 attempts) but im 99% sure you can get this exact set up in under 6 min on every map
I made a BO for RUS ( 3 tc golden Gate in 6 mins ) but I play only team games
Would you recommend this in team games Valdemar?
Yeah, if you are playing pocket :)
Abbasid winrate will hit the floor once people not used to this macro heavy, and greedy builds are going to spam it on ladder and get destroyed by any aggression.
Gonna be one of them, because it looks awesome.
A niche build for sure, but it has potential :)
Now military wing into 3 TC for aggressive civs.
Say what now?