2024 Middleweight Naked Shootout!! | Yamaha MT-09 SP VS KTM 990 Duke
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- Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024
- The 990 Duke was the new kid on the middleweight block but now the Yamaha MT-09 SP has finally hit our shores is it still the king dog??
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I have the 3rd gen Mt09 sp ! I've owned several bikes and i can tell you one thing. I'll never sell the Yamaha. Perfect engine, perfect power, perfect price ! 10/10 bike
Signed 👍
I agree I have the 2022 Gen3 and I have to say that I tried so many bikes and no one of them can beat the MT09 Gen 3. I havent tried the new Gen4 but all I can say that I like the Gen3 more from what I have seen live how the quality went down
The electronics of the MT-09 work much better, the brakes are much better, the build quality and material quality are better. Additionally, the sound of the triple engine is pure bliss.
Yep. Xsr900 is what I want to upgrade to
Just less fun…
@@Rik448 cope trying to find something better on the KTM. There is nothing, stop trying...
And much cheaper.
AND no Tech Pack bullshit that you have to pay for just to unlock features already on the bike you paid for.
The Yamaha won't eat it's cams so it's the winner.
You'd like to think they'd addressed that with the 990 but unfortunately its going to take alot for KTM to redeem themselves
Kind of glad my 890R chucked itself down the road, sounds like a bullet dodged!
Yup! Why would you ever buy a KTM with their reputation?
Yep! 😂
Think they should have sorted that by now
Love your review when you two are together love both of those bike mt 09 for me though keep up the great vids 👍
Thanks! 👍
I'll have to wait till next time for the verdict. It's hard to get my head around the price of the 990, I paid £7.5k for my (2021) 790 Duke (tech pack included), and with the 990 being almost twice the price, is it really twice the bike - I don't think so. I think I'd opt for the MT-09 SP 👍
The boys are on tour, what's not to like 👍🏻🙂
How many condoms went in the shopping basket at Coop? 👀 🙈
MT09 all day for long. I will take japanese reliability everytime. Had 2 KTM Superduke R's and both got rejected with electrical issues
Never owned a KTM, and never will, but when my brother told me he wanted a superduke R I said get an MT10 or something. He didn't listen and bought a 2022. He's had it 3 months and he's had it to the dealership twice for electrics issues and one of those times he was 200 quid for a sensor and diagnostics. A few days ago it completely fking died on him on the way to work in the rain. Had to get it recovered to his house and has to get a man with a van to take it to the dealership next week. He was already second guessing his choice because of the full system exhaust - it is wildly, obnoxiously loud on start up. Poor cnt.
@@ewganhoff It's hilarious that KTM is going bankrupt and all these people are wringing their hands "the storied bike manufacturer might disappear!," but they don't know how to make a waterproof wiring harness. I've seen bikes that had water get into the instrument cluster and short it out...that's just a GASKET. You can buy a waterproof box for $6, and these guys can't figure out how to keep the rain out of a $22k motorcycle after 90 years.
Channel just gets better and better. Keep up the great work boys
Awesome! A road trip to Wales and a naked middleweight shootout...what more could you ask for?
The fastest machine from 0 to 20 mph 😂
Great review as always, guys.
Can't wait for the second part.😊👍
By far the Best motorcycle review channel out there, the comparison rides are just awesome. If i had to choose it would be MT09, love it. Keep up the great work 👍
Wow, thanks! 👍
Nice review, always good to see you guys together. As for the bikes, both are decent but I'd have lean towards the Yamaha SP due to the bulletproof reliability.
The 990 throwing false neutrals too? That is the main reason i got rid of my 1390 after three weeks, not acceptable. But i found happiness on a BMW S1000XR so it was a blessing in disguise i guess😅
I've been looking for a new bike, and nothing has really interested me for one reason or another. Then, the new MT-09 SP comes along and it's really caught my eye. The overall package is fantastic, and it looks very hard to beat when you compare it to other bikes in the same category. Yamaha has also addressed the front-end handling problems that plagued the earlier models. I'll probably wait until early next year, and see what deals are available, unless something comes along at the end of the season. Hopefully, we'll get lucky in the UK and see some sun next year, because this year the weather has been 🤬 dreadful, it's like a scene out of Blade Runner!
Really enjoying the videos lately. Maybe you boys should get a 765 RS and something else to compare against soon. Looking forward to the next videos 👍🏻
Thanks Kyle 👍
KTM's handling of the 790/890 camshaft debacle has tainted the brand's reputation so the Yamaha wins by default.
Great fun Chopsy ,Greg some nice roads as well both ideal real world bikes as well.looking forward to part two boys 👍👍👍
Well done guy's looking forward to pt2, go on Greg smashing that burger you devil ?
I was going to say get a room but you did oh oh, ATB Wayne.............😀👍
Honestly the comparison reviews done by you both are so good! Right mixture of banta, bike critique and getting across the feeling the bike gives you 👍🏼 I’ve just started a bike channel and would love to be producing vids like yours one day 👏👏
Thanks Mike 👍
Thanks for the video guys, very entertaining!
Awesome, I can't wait for the next episode now.
Great to see the dream team smashing out (sorry Greg) another awesome video!
Stop saying that 😂😂😂!!
Oh, that was so funny Gregorio "I'm turning round now and going home".you two guys work so well together.
Great review so far guys & very funny you two are!!😆 The SP is my favourite at the moment & think going by your review so far its going to be the one to go for me thinks!!👌🏻👍🏻
Great 2 part watch, great review and entertaining 👏
Glad you enjoyed it 👍👍
Great video enjoyed the the banter 😊🏴
Great comparison, guys! I keep cross shopping these two bikes. When I lean toward the Ktm, the $12,500 USD price tag plus the tech pack, opens up the door for the MT10 to enter the picture. Looking forward to part ii, and to see how the 990 Duke R looks.
Actually the comparison I was waiting for. Thanks Chops!
The 2024 MT-09 (SP or not) makes every other bike below $15.000 feel like a heap of hot shit in comparison. If you got the this MT-09 there is nothing else in the world that you would want to upgrade to in a long time.
In my opinion the SP even beats the Hyper Nakeds on roads.
You guys work very well together 😂👍
its almost like they've been friends for decades:)
Awesome trip guys !. Enjoy the ride and keep having fun . Both great looking bikes be interesting to see your concussions. CU next time. 👍
LCR and 44teeth on another level 🙏
Cant see how ktm can justify the price and then an extra £800 to unlock it. Wonder if that also unlocks the oil leaks 😂
Another great review Chopsy. Cheers mate 👍🏍🏍
That's a long trip on a naked bike 😮
I've got a MT09 and love it, but I couldn't ride that far...
Impressed that you managed it 😊
It was actually perfectly fine.. I was expecting botty pain 😄👍
Great stuff. Looking forward to the next part.
Morning guys, fantastic first half review 😎
Great video, look forward to part two.
Your content Chopsy is among or the best on RUclips, that Birds Eye view at start of video was pro level editing. How do you do that? I’m not a video guy I’m just impressed 🏍️👌🏻
Wow thanks Iain, it was the Hover drone the one I reviewed afew months back 👍
Looking forward to the next installment.
I'm surprised you're both happy with the seat comfort on the MT09,my one criticism of my gen 4 is I find it uncomfortable after an hour or so,the factory comfort seat is an improvement but not a game changer.
All round a great bike though I get home from riding it thinking I'm blessed to have that cp3 engine in it🤩
No we found it OK Mike.. Yes on these sorts of bike getting off every hour is recommended anyway 👍
I had a KTM 1290 SAS before, with the Powerpart heated seat. I currently ride a standard MT09. I cannot say that the seat is better, but the overall comfort (buttwise) definitely is, because of the global sitting position. The MT-09 definitely isn't *super* comfy, but it is absolutely ok. If you are that sensitive, you should look at the BMW R series.
@@fabiena1787 I love the Mt 09 and previously owned the gen 3 which had a more comfortable seat.
It's not a deal breaker, I wouldn't change the bike.👍
I watched your Street Triple versus 890 video, and eventually bought the 765 RS. I remember you mentioning they were very close, and it basically boiled down to personal preference. How does the 765 stack up to either of these, considering they are also in the class?
Awesome review guys! I have been waiting for you to release this review. When is the second part coming? I test rode the 990 Duke and MT-09 (not SP) yesterday. As you say the 990 feels attached to the road, the instant torque is awesome, and the sound! Then the MT-09 is nearly there but has the reliability. I'm torn between the two.
Second part coming early next week 👍
This channel has really come on by leaps and bounds recently. Partly because of the comparison type videos with Greg I think.
It's a bit more old school top gear like... Entertaining and fun.
Thanks Floyd 👍
It's simple... one is Japanese. The other is European. If you want a reliable bike that's actually built to last, you buy Japanese.
Not all Europeans are like that anymore, I wouldn't call modern triumph unreliable.
@rns6889 I agree, KTM have certainly had their issues though.
Its been out long enough for me to finally say that I can’t forgive KTM for that headlight.
I see the front brake caliper mount is part of the shock. That makes sense, should save weight .
Timely. Off to Wales tomorrow 👍
The 990 duke here in Canada costs $15,700 + $1200 tech pack + tax. The MT09-SP is $17,300+tax. So its almost identical in price here. If the MT09SP was cheaper here I would have definitely purchased it over the 990.
techpack is free at the moment from KTM, atleast everywhere in Europe.
Sorry to hear mate, here in Europe it is much cheaper than the ktm
Any chance we can get a lil drag race action between the two? Im sure people are eager to know!
I couldn’t get over how big the switch gear was on the new Yamahas, just a massive block on the handlebar. Still chose a Street RS over the MT09SP. The MCS master cylinder and general build quality was higher.
Great video as usual, Yam for me so far 👍
Will we be seeing some Roll-ons between the two ??, quite frankly that’s the first thing you should do when testing two bikes 🤔👍
Can't wait for the 990 R version, going for both the 990 R and the 09SP, one bike for me and the other for the wife. Best of both words in my opinion.
Really like the road trip aspects of the film.
Thanks 👍😁
Yeah, 990, mt-09SP, street triple RS or hornet 1000SP are on the shortlist atm.
What was the km/l on both bikes?
Where i live, the KTM is, price-wise, comparable to the MT-10 and MT-10SP. A bit more expensive than the MT-10 and cheaper, by about 2000€, than the MT-10SP
I would take the Yamaha over the Cheese Cam anyday...
What are the odds? Two different bike brands and both have broken TFT screens that need taping up.
Yeah it's typical... 😁👍
id have to go for the Yamaha guaranteed reliability and cruise control built in sat nav, im not all that ready to race 90% of the time so id appreciate the smoothness most of the time.
Really want this MT09, but I keep waiting to see if the R9 turns out to be true
Love the video, keep up the good work!
I say ktm is too expensive if when you buy the tech pack it makes the ktm 2000! Pounds more
Yamaha or 765 all day!
The 990 is in Ducati monster price range without the quality
No thanks.
Lamb Chop team bonding and sore bodies sounds like a P Diddy party 😂
Lovely to do a little trip on a nice bike.
Loving it, I don't live far from Baffle Haus actually an was up there last Sunday funny enough, some nice spicy roads all round there too, it's so odd cos every time I'm watching your vids I'm like I'm sure I was riding that road last week lol,
Yeah fantastic! Burgers are good 😄👍
Mmmm ... Nom nom nom 😂😂😂@@LambChopRides
Price of that grub is obscene. Would buy 10 Aberdeen Angus fillet stakes from Aldi.
As we did actually, ended up at the pub over the road with pie and mash 😋
Loved it choppsey I’m seriously considering both so loving this one especially. Say hi to Gregorio for me mukka.
Absolutely brilliant 👌 it's great team team work best on the net really fair views on the bike's,, places to stay,, I'd like the Yamaha,, for the money 🤑🤑🤑🤑☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland
Near Litre bikes are now Middleweight?
How did that happen?
Middleweight power output sir 😁👍
Mt09 for me! What's the b&b you stayed at? Tried looking in the description. Cheers
I've added it to the description 👍
So was the lock to lock test for the flat bars done 🙈
It was (finally!’) and it won’t work as there’s not enough clearance from the tank. Gutted 😂
@gregtufnall6276 or maybe a slight bend so not flat drag bars? 🤔
@@kneesparks indeed but very slight as there’s very little room annoyingly. Cheers
Interesting comparison given 990 RCR and R9 coming
The 890R is aggressive? I ride it all the time and it’s extremely comfortable. Pretty much 0 weight on my wrists.
Looking forward to see which bike you would recommend. Had the 1st gen FZ until I had enough and sold it. The handling was so bad but the engine was great. Thinking of picking up KTM next time. I prefer handling prowess over engine as I'm doubtful with this new MT. Still short wheelbase and short shock travel = unsteady rear under heavy load for me
Haven't ridden the KTM but the gen 3 and 4 MT09's are a huge leap forward over the previous gens... try one.
Noticed it on the Germany trip the cuffs on that rukka seem baggy as hell
Brilliant!!
I have a -21 790 Duke and tried the 990. For me, to swap, is not worth the money. The 990 is a better bike, yes. But what is "better"? I mean, the 790 does what I want. Do I need a bike that can do more? YES! But is it worth the extra money...not in my finacial position.
I decided for the SP.
I could just try the Standard MT-09 and tried the Duke 990 two times.
Will the KTM is fantastic but the suspension just does not have the level auf an Öhlins/KYB (or Showa) setup.
And the Yamaha is just the better package with even more functions.
But (!) the SP is quite different from the standard MT.
It is even better.
I am just in love.
For me it is at the moment nearly the best bike on the market 🤷♂️
Looking at the front forks on the KTM have they bottomed out 😳
No loads left actually, you can see when they are dirty at the end 👍
Yamaha really needs to make a triple cylinder MT10 or MT12
lots of wheelie control options in the "free" electronics package of the MT09 SP.
Roll that intro Chopsy
Chops boyyyyy ❤❤❤
I would buy the Yamaha over the KTM all day long. Having owned 2 MT09s and had zero issues and 60k covered. The new one is superb and all the bike you would ever need on the road, and it won’t let you down.
Great review boys! I live in the area of the test, great roads hey? I’m so lucky, but the weather comes with my territory . Welsh bikers ride in all weathers as they have to, otherwise the bike stays in the garage. 😂😂 Harley riders still ignore us though, they are too busy trying to get round corners and plough the fields.
Fantastic roads! Like you say get the weather and it's incredible 👍
@@LambChopRides if you get the chance try Builth Wells to Llandovery Road. Watch for speed trap approaching Llandovery, then try the grub at Owls Nest just outside the town, not the West end cafe (food crap) 👍👍
Yes that was actually part of the planned route that first day if the rain hadn't set in.. 😫
@@LambChopRides glad you’ve done this review as I’m a potential customer for either bike.
Has to be the Yam for me. 👍
chocolate cams on the KTM which they wont warranty,
influencers wont dare mention it for fear of being cancelled,
my 23 Norden has knackered cams at 8k KTM dont want to know,
never again will they get my money.
Did they have fun? @7:35 What a change of gears when you guys are hungry and finally attacking some food, in slow motion. LOL! I'd say I hope you had fun but I KNOW you did.
Haha we did indeed! 😄👍
@@LambChopRides Good morning from the NE USA. Cheers guys. Looking forward to the next installments.
That looks like a nice spin, ps you stopped at Vellin Vach , the F's sound like V's. Greg must have been hungry, rolling his eyes like a great white shark as he bites that poor burger
Cracking video has that KTM got the chocolate engine.
It didn't melt on our trip! 😄👍
Chops!!! Review a 1969-Kawasaki H1-500, or 1975-H2-750 !!! When motorcycles were Violent and required %100 concentration!! No cell phone mounted on these bikes 😂
Might be tricky finding one Micheal 🤔
What happened to gregs 690?
Both are batman of motorcycles. I thought your friend is robyn. Apologies from Pakistan 🙏🏽
After riding both I like them pretty much the same! MT is probably more reliable. And the KTM is slightly more money. But I prefered the KTMs engine characteristics. Plus... Everyone and their mother has an MT07/09. I had two. So. Figured Id pick up the 990 and so far? I think I made the right choice! Only time will tell if the reliability is up to par. Im not going in with any preconcieved notions though. Everyone says KTMs arent reliable but Ive had nothing but great reliability! My Suzuki broke before my old KTM.
Gotta agree.
Only thing keeping me from seriously considering a yamaha MT is the yob factor. Only idiots seem to ride them where i live. Wheelie happy adolescents with chopped off end cans.
Will probably opt for the ST765rs, same triple engine, better handling, chassis, suspension and more power
These reviews/camparisons are all well and good being that both these bikes are brand new.
Test the equivalent ktm and yamaha that are 5 years old. Ill put my money on the yamaha being the better bike..
Because it still works perfectly and is 95% the bike it was when new.
The ktm however, probably sat in the bike breakers yard
With a headlight as ugly as the KTM's,they better trow in all the electronic packs for free...
Great job boys. Anyone who knows me knows I think the mt09 is twice the value of the 990. The mt09 is a vehicle you can rely on and ride daily. The 990 is a toy and while I haven’t had hands on one I’ve got a buddy with a 790 and one with an 890. Also have 2 dudes in our group that ride gen 3(?) superdukes. If we line them up (at the track of course 😊) they come around my z1000 over 130-140 mph but they’ve never been able to get away in the twisties and my 150lb body weight and 7 years on the same bike get me off the line faster
bit hard to compare SP version with non-R version, soon there should be 990 R version
Price?
A Green Gas Nozzle? Here in the US Green is Diesel Fuel
Yeah confusing eh 👍
Super nice motor both 😊
I know the 790/890 are very similar but to compare this to the 790 rather than the 890 doesn't make much sense?
Lamb Chops in Wales 😎