I use XH2S and A7R3a. Rolling shutter is pretty bad on Sony unless maybe A7S3 and FX3. But instead of getting the XH2 or XT5 for the 40 pickles I went with a used A7R3a. Still like the look of XH2S but for AF-C in photography the Sony does do better and helps.
Man, these "I'm leaving Fuji videos" are getting really old. Your reasons of ease of access in Indonesia, and HD are totally fair, but the camera itself.. The Fuji XH2s is a far superior video camera to the FX30 in so many ways other than the AF, and the AF is as good as Sony was just a few years ago. Your example of hunting against a white wall... that will trip up nearly any camera if all the sensor sees is textureless white in its focus area. I've used Sonys in the past, and they've tripped up in situations like that. That is a shot that should manual or manual + AF in ANY professional setting. Properly set up, I have not had a SINGLE gig ruined by the XH2s autofocus. Not to mention the IBIS, that clip you showed looks like what happens when the lens IS and IBIS aren't set to work in tandem, my IBIS shots look borderline gimbal like if I'm steady enough. But giving up a superior image, with superior professional codecs, industry-leading rolling shutter control, open gate, and superior dynamic range/low light for AF and IBIS for professional work is crazy. You're giving up all of the professional specs that matter most. Not to mention the complexity, the codec menus are complex because they have options for every type of work. Having shot with it on everything from TV commercials to documentaries to RUclips and TikTok (not on this channel), I've used the majority of the codec options at some point. I'm happy you're happy with your purchase, but yeah.
@@robmcd Exactly. That’s not the time for AF on any camera. Is the Sony/Canon AF better? Sure it’s more accurate, but the Fuji is plenty accurate, and I actually like the adjustability, as they allow you to create smooth and slow focus racks on the Fuji which look super cinematic. I think people LOOK for AF issues more with Fuji. If I had a nickel for every creator I see leave Fuji for Sony because of AF, pointing out any little time their videos hesitate, then sharing videos shot on their Sonys with the same occasional focus blip but not seeming to notice, I’d be a wealthy man.
Yea that's a totally fair point, but honestly, it really depends on the use case scenario. I don't think the XH2S has a far superior video capability, it is good, but far superior seems to be a stretch in my opinion. But that being said, its to each their own yea, so depends on everybody's use case, where in my case, I wasn't pointing straight at a white wall, but it was a wall with ornaments, so the XH2S should've locked focus on at least some of the ornaments and text, and yet it was hunting. When a face came into the shot, it was still hunting, I didn't show this clip as it was for a client and would have broken some contractual stuff. And maybe you didn't have an issue with that, which I mentioned in the video, it could be a bad firmware before the gig, fortunately I had enough clips where the gig wasn't fully ruined. Regarding IBIS, I've set it in so many ways and yet I'm always having to fight with it. Whether I was using a full manual lens or a native Fuji lens. And honestly, I just think it wasn't the right camera for me for my type of work tbh, I shoot mainly events where I have to run and gun it, and provide video of good quality at a low file size. I don't do too much TVCs or documentaries, but I do think this is the right camera for me mainly cause it does what I need it to do without too much hassle and overthinking about my storage space. Thank you for your opinions on this, really great to have a discussion like this, but these are just my thoughts on the camera. I think the XH2S is a great camera, but I personally think they both have their pros and cons, and at this point in time, it feels like the XH2S has more cons than pros for my use case.
@@ANTHONYFERNANDO good point, honestly the only thing keeping me from selling my xs20 is the opengate and codecs, as for autofocus - I defnitely miss the sony run and gun accuracy on AF.
Yes, I think having perfect autofocus is far, far overrated as well. I can't remember having any professional shoot ruined by focus issues, not with my X-H2S, not with my X-T3 and not even with my Canon T3i using manual focus. Having flawless autofocus is a great luxury but definitely not a 'must' when you are shooting with intent. I also haven't had any issues with the IBIS except for some occasional wobbling with wide lenses. It works great for my handheld use. And having all those codes is not overwhelming to me - I will just set different custom modes to different aspect ratio's, Eterna or F-log2 and different resolutions. I rarely have to change a single parameter, mostly I will switch ProRes to HEVC when needing the space (and I definitely think shooting in HEVC will give manageable file sizes). But the FX-30 is no slouch and I definitely respect people's decisions to get another camera. I just think gear gets so hyped up these days and people - even myself - think that having 'that' camera will change all issues or improve video's drastically. I typically only upgrade when my gear stops to work or is 5+ years old, clients often don't notice the difference, only we do. Those 'Why I changed from [x] to [y]' almost start to look like 'conversion' stories from a person who went from the one religion, to the (better) other one. But I think creativity and expertise are far more important and valuable and that not changing to easily to other brands when you run into limitations will culture character and patience.
Totally agree with the fujifilm AF being not so great. For my case, it was for only for photos (since I don't do video at all). AF was great using AF-S, the problem came the moment I switched to AF-C. Missed two critical moments because of that. AF-C with Eye detect on + wide area AF on XT3+ XF56 f1.2 has been a bad bad idea. Lens keep hunting and face detect box jump all over the place. For the Price of XT5 or XH2 or XH2s, it simply lost the purpose of getting apsc camera. For around the same money of XT5, I can get a R6, which I did. The AF was night and day. And the joy seeing the camera pick up the eyes of Chicken, dogs, cat and bird in flight (despite being very small in the screen) was fun and additive. I was feeling like a kid in a candy store. Sold most of my fuji gears, still keeping the XT3 for fun/want to travel light. For paid jobs and serious work, it will be the R6 and R6II (that's coming in march).
The fx30 sounds like a great a cam for folks like me who do run and gun with no formal lighting, may not be a lowlight monster, or a b cam for studio work or a bigger crew. Well.. great content🔥
Funny how often people who move away from Fuji, mention the autofocus. While I could definitely seem room for improvement, I haven't been in any situation where it messed up something so bad that it's unrepairable. Maybe my tolerance is greater, or I have been so accustomed to using Fuji camera's that I'm not seeing what Sony has to offer. It might help that I am shooting promotional video's and event after movies mostly, and in the first category scenes can be rerecorded 95% of the time and in the latter category my abundance of shots is so great that I can afford to miss some shots or moments due to autofocus (but this happens rarely). That said, I really, really like the idea of the FX30 and the FX3, I just love the video-centric design, the simplicity and the color scheme of them. They are definitely no slouch man! I hope you will feel more at ease with your FX30 and regardless, I hope you will get inspiration and creativity to make it all work :).
Oh man, I was honestly on the same boat for a long time, really fighting for Fuji, but honestly, as soon as I tried out the Sony, it was a night and day difference. But I always say the best camera is the one you have, but me doing mostly event work and run & gun stuff, the Sony just made so much more sense.
@@kwillim I think it really depends on what you want from a camera. I might compare it to coffee machines. Some people like a fully automatic espresso machine which delivers very good, not excellent, but very good coffee with just a press on a button. Other people might prefer a more finicky, more complex manual device that can give great if not excellent espresso, but needs more skill and thought in order for it to work out well and it might mess up sometimes. The coffee machine doesn't have the consistency and ease, but it has more charm and a potentially more unique end product. I think Sony is the automatic device, Fuji is the manual one. I am fine with compromising on autofocus comfort if it gives me an experience and/or end result that is in some way different from the bunch. The X-H2S is also a very capable and not the least very joyful photography camera, which for me gives it a real benefit above the FX30 for my hybrid use. Regardless, I feel like the S5II, FX30 and X-H2S are all in this same league of very capable, high-quality video machines that deliver stunning imagery and I think their results have some similar feel in a way. I would be happy to pick any of these camera's for my video work.
@@BTMovieSecondChannel Spot on about 'automatic vs manual' analogy. To Sony's credit their autofocus continues to set the gold standard. If you NEED autofocus, Sony should be at the top of the list. The area where Sony continues to be the worst is out of box color science despite all their improvements over the year. RAW, LOG, etc you have to work harder to get the same result that you'd get from a CaNikon, Panasonic, Fujifilm, etc.
@@jimizell that’s an interesting thought, and agreed, auto and manual varies depends on use, but I found I had to work a lot harder to get F-Log2 to work compared to S-Log3, especially in DaVinci. But like I mentioned in the video, it really depends on your use case, the biggest thing for me, as someone who shoots events, is reliable AF and the smaller and easier to work with files, while not having to compromise on quality.
I sold my FX30, and returned the a6700. That sensor isn't so great, about the same as a6000-a6600. I bought the zv-e1. This camera is the bomb, so much better than the sony aps-c sensor. Frankly, FX30 is so over-rated. The only reason it's good is it doesn't overheat, and then it has these "cinema" features. But it's really over-rated. The image quality is not in the same league as my a7iv, or ZV-E1, and it's only marginally better than my zv-e10. But zv-e10 is so much lighter and it's a wonderful thing to carry in my pocket.
Huh, honestly I find the FX30 so much better to work with than my old A6500, and even the ZV-E1, from what I understand the FX30 and A7IV share a similar sensor, just in a cropped factor whereas the A7IV is full frame, and for video I’ve heard it’s better in its super35 mode anyway.
@@kwillimNo FX30 and a6700 share the same APS-C sensor. A7iv has a full frame 33mp sensor, which does perform significantly better. Yes, FX30 for video has certain features, but the image quality, NAH.
@@CO8848_2 haha fair enough, to each their own I reckon. I still love the quality of the FX30 at its price point, so that's a win-win for me, glad to hear your input though 😄
@@kwillim to be fair, FX is a professional camera, I bought it from a working pro and sold it to a working pro. And it's pretty good image, as Sony aps-c sensor are certainly a bit better than Canon aps c sensors, particularly low light and dynamic range wise. During day light, or not in high frame rates, it is almost the same as full frame. But I shoot in door at night 70 percent of the time with no lighting, so then it doesn't quite measure up
@@CO8848_2 ah I see your issue with the FX30 now, I think the FX30 works best with really good lighting, but even then when shooting events I have no issues until I get to dark areas with no lighting. The dynamic range is decent, but would still require good set of lights to compensate for it though.
Hey man how did you sell all your gear?
I use XH2S and A7R3a. Rolling shutter is pretty bad on Sony unless maybe A7S3 and FX3. But instead of getting the XH2 or XT5 for the 40 pickles I went with a used A7R3a. Still like the look of XH2S but for AF-C in photography the Sony does do better and helps.
Man, these "I'm leaving Fuji videos" are getting really old. Your reasons of ease of access in Indonesia, and HD are totally fair, but the camera itself.. The Fuji XH2s is a far superior video camera to the FX30 in so many ways other than the AF, and the AF is as good as Sony was just a few years ago. Your example of hunting against a white wall... that will trip up nearly any camera if all the sensor sees is textureless white in its focus area. I've used Sonys in the past, and they've tripped up in situations like that. That is a shot that should manual or manual + AF in ANY professional setting. Properly set up, I have not had a SINGLE gig ruined by the XH2s autofocus. Not to mention the IBIS, that clip you showed looks like what happens when the lens IS and IBIS aren't set to work in tandem, my IBIS shots look borderline gimbal like if I'm steady enough.
But giving up a superior image, with superior professional codecs, industry-leading rolling shutter control, open gate, and superior dynamic range/low light for AF and IBIS for professional work is crazy. You're giving up all of the professional specs that matter most. Not to mention the complexity, the codec menus are complex because they have options for every type of work. Having shot with it on everything from TV commercials to documentaries to RUclips and TikTok (not on this channel), I've used the majority of the codec options at some point.
I'm happy you're happy with your purchase, but yeah.
My canon r5 won’t autofocus in those same conditions.
My XT4 often misses the subject
My XH2S will say face detected but the face is out of focus
@@robmcd Exactly. That’s not the time for AF on any camera. Is the Sony/Canon AF better? Sure it’s more accurate, but the Fuji is plenty accurate, and I actually like the adjustability, as they allow you to create smooth and slow focus racks on the Fuji which look super cinematic. I think people LOOK for AF issues more with Fuji.
If I had a nickel for every creator I see leave Fuji for Sony because of AF, pointing out any little time their videos hesitate, then sharing videos shot on their Sonys with the same occasional focus blip but not seeming to notice, I’d be a wealthy man.
Yea that's a totally fair point, but honestly, it really depends on the use case scenario. I don't think the XH2S has a far superior video capability, it is good, but far superior seems to be a stretch in my opinion. But that being said, its to each their own yea, so depends on everybody's use case, where in my case, I wasn't pointing straight at a white wall, but it was a wall with ornaments, so the XH2S should've locked focus on at least some of the ornaments and text, and yet it was hunting. When a face came into the shot, it was still hunting, I didn't show this clip as it was for a client and would have broken some contractual stuff. And maybe you didn't have an issue with that, which I mentioned in the video, it could be a bad firmware before the gig, fortunately I had enough clips where the gig wasn't fully ruined.
Regarding IBIS, I've set it in so many ways and yet I'm always having to fight with it. Whether I was using a full manual lens or a native Fuji lens. And honestly, I just think it wasn't the right camera for me for my type of work tbh, I shoot mainly events where I have to run and gun it, and provide video of good quality at a low file size. I don't do too much TVCs or documentaries, but I do think this is the right camera for me mainly cause it does what I need it to do without too much hassle and overthinking about my storage space.
Thank you for your opinions on this, really great to have a discussion like this, but these are just my thoughts on the camera. I think the XH2S is a great camera, but I personally think they both have their pros and cons, and at this point in time, it feels like the XH2S has more cons than pros for my use case.
@@ANTHONYFERNANDO good point, honestly the only thing keeping me from selling my xs20 is the opengate and codecs, as for autofocus - I defnitely miss the sony run and gun accuracy on AF.
Yes, I think having perfect autofocus is far, far overrated as well. I can't remember having any professional shoot ruined by focus issues, not with my X-H2S, not with my X-T3 and not even with my Canon T3i using manual focus. Having flawless autofocus is a great luxury but definitely not a 'must' when you are shooting with intent.
I also haven't had any issues with the IBIS except for some occasional wobbling with wide lenses. It works great for my handheld use. And having all those codes is not overwhelming to me - I will just set different custom modes to different aspect ratio's, Eterna or F-log2 and different resolutions. I rarely have to change a single parameter, mostly I will switch ProRes to HEVC when needing the space (and I definitely think shooting in HEVC will give manageable file sizes).
But the FX-30 is no slouch and I definitely respect people's decisions to get another camera. I just think gear gets so hyped up these days and people - even myself - think that having 'that' camera will change all issues or improve video's drastically. I typically only upgrade when my gear stops to work or is 5+ years old, clients often don't notice the difference, only we do. Those 'Why I changed from [x] to [y]' almost start to look like 'conversion' stories from a person who went from the one religion, to the (better) other one. But I think creativity and expertise are far more important and valuable and that not changing to easily to other brands when you run into limitations will culture character and patience.
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Totally agree with the fujifilm AF being not so great. For my case, it was for only for photos (since I don't do video at all). AF was great using AF-S, the problem came the moment I switched to AF-C. Missed two critical moments because of that. AF-C with Eye detect on + wide area AF on XT3+ XF56 f1.2 has been a bad bad idea. Lens keep hunting and face detect box jump all over the place.
For the Price of XT5 or XH2 or XH2s, it simply lost the purpose of getting apsc camera. For around the same money of XT5, I can get a R6, which I did. The AF was night and day. And the joy seeing the camera pick up the eyes of Chicken, dogs, cat and bird in flight (despite being very small in the screen) was fun and additive. I was feeling like a kid in a candy store.
Sold most of my fuji gears, still keeping the XT3 for fun/want to travel light. For paid jobs and serious work, it will be the R6 and R6II (that's coming in march).
The fx30 sounds like a great a cam for folks like me who do run and gun with no formal lighting, may not be a lowlight monster, or a b cam for studio work or a bigger crew. Well.. great content🔥
Definitely! Great B-Cam for sure especially if you have an FX3!
Funny how often people who move away from Fuji, mention the autofocus. While I could definitely seem room for improvement, I haven't been in any situation where it messed up something so bad that it's unrepairable. Maybe my tolerance is greater, or I have been so accustomed to using Fuji camera's that I'm not seeing what Sony has to offer. It might help that I am shooting promotional video's and event after movies mostly, and in the first category scenes can be rerecorded 95% of the time and in the latter category my abundance of shots is so great that I can afford to miss some shots or moments due to autofocus (but this happens rarely).
That said, I really, really like the idea of the FX30 and the FX3, I just love the video-centric design, the simplicity and the color scheme of them. They are definitely no slouch man! I hope you will feel more at ease with your FX30 and regardless, I hope you will get inspiration and creativity to make it all work :).
Oh man, I was honestly on the same boat for a long time, really fighting for Fuji, but honestly, as soon as I tried out the Sony, it was a night and day difference. But I always say the best camera is the one you have, but me doing mostly event work and run & gun stuff, the Sony just made so much more sense.
@@kwillim I think it really depends on what you want from a camera. I might compare it to coffee machines.
Some people like a fully automatic espresso machine which delivers very good, not excellent, but very good coffee with just a press on a button.
Other people might prefer a more finicky, more complex manual device that can give great if not excellent espresso, but needs more skill and thought in order for it to work out well and it might mess up sometimes. The coffee machine doesn't have the consistency and ease, but it has more charm and a potentially more unique end product.
I think Sony is the automatic device, Fuji is the manual one. I am fine with compromising on autofocus comfort if it gives me an experience and/or end result that is in some way different from the bunch.
The X-H2S is also a very capable and not the least very joyful photography camera, which for me gives it a real benefit above the FX30 for my hybrid use.
Regardless, I feel like the S5II, FX30 and X-H2S are all in this same league of very capable, high-quality video machines that deliver stunning imagery and I think their results have some similar feel in a way. I would be happy to pick any of these camera's for my video work.
If anything is "unrepairable", out-of-focus is un-repairable, while color, can mostly be fixed to a large extent.
@@BTMovieSecondChannel Spot on about 'automatic vs manual' analogy. To Sony's credit their autofocus continues to set the gold standard. If you NEED autofocus, Sony should be at the top of the list. The area where Sony continues to be the worst is out of box color science despite all their improvements over the year. RAW, LOG, etc you have to work harder to get the same result that you'd get from a CaNikon, Panasonic, Fujifilm, etc.
@@jimizell that’s an interesting thought, and agreed, auto and manual varies depends on use, but I found I had to work a lot harder to get F-Log2 to work compared to S-Log3, especially in DaVinci. But like I mentioned in the video, it really depends on your use case, the biggest thing for me, as someone who shoots events, is reliable AF and the smaller and easier to work with files, while not having to compromise on quality.
I sold my FX30, and returned the a6700. That sensor isn't so great, about the same as a6000-a6600. I bought the zv-e1. This camera is the bomb, so much better than the sony aps-c sensor. Frankly, FX30 is so over-rated. The only reason it's good is it doesn't overheat, and then it has these "cinema" features. But it's really over-rated. The image quality is not in the same league as my a7iv, or ZV-E1, and it's only marginally better than my zv-e10. But zv-e10 is so much lighter and it's a wonderful thing to carry in my pocket.
Huh, honestly I find the FX30 so much better to work with than my old A6500, and even the ZV-E1, from what I understand the FX30 and A7IV share a similar sensor, just in a cropped factor whereas the A7IV is full frame, and for video I’ve heard it’s better in its super35 mode anyway.
@@kwillimNo FX30 and a6700 share the same APS-C sensor. A7iv has a full frame 33mp sensor, which does perform significantly better. Yes, FX30 for video has certain features, but the image quality, NAH.
@@CO8848_2 haha fair enough, to each their own I reckon. I still love the quality of the FX30 at its price point, so that's a win-win for me, glad to hear your input though 😄
@@kwillim to be fair, FX is a professional camera, I bought it from a working pro and sold it to a working pro. And it's pretty good image, as Sony aps-c sensor are certainly a bit better than Canon aps c sensors, particularly low light and dynamic range wise. During day light, or not in high frame rates, it is almost the same as full frame. But I shoot in door at night 70 percent of the time with no lighting, so then it doesn't quite measure up
@@CO8848_2 ah I see your issue with the FX30 now, I think the FX30 works best with really good lighting, but even then when shooting events I have no issues until I get to dark areas with no lighting. The dynamic range is decent, but would still require good set of lights to compensate for it though.