Why the UN Flag is a Bit Bad

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  • Опубликовано: 4 мар 2021
  • A look at the shortcomings and strengths of the United Nations Flag.
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Комментарии • 2,3 тыс.

  • @Tapakapa
    @Tapakapa  3 года назад +3627

    I would never have associated my flag version with either crosswalks or prison bars. Quite a revelation.
    See, this is exactly why films have test screenings.

    • @H_Eli
      @H_Eli 3 года назад +179

      5:35 Only the olive brances shoud do

    • @danchoen3847
      @danchoen3847 3 года назад +70

      This is why I like you, you listen to your community and don't just ignore it.

    • @xJotto12345x
      @xJotto12345x 3 года назад +4

      Cool topic! Weird question: Do you know what the march in the outro is called? It slaps, but I don’t recognize it.

    • @potatoheadpokemario1931
      @potatoheadpokemario1931 3 года назад +4

      I don't like it because it looks like the bars are getting bigger and smaller

    • @timat6656
      @timat6656 3 года назад +5

      *idea put a bar over and connecting the four pillars representing human rights in total, or maybe a pentagram like a roman building. idk.

  • @chiantozzo9341
    @chiantozzo9341 2 года назад +1789

    "The UN flag has a bland design"
    *Puts 4 rectangulars on a light blue background*

    • @Casual2020Enjoyer
      @Casual2020Enjoyer 2 года назад +87

      I like the original

    • @FormerlyHshjdigli
      @FormerlyHshjdigli 2 года назад +11

      @@Casual2020Enjoyer same Eugene

    • @weball7899
      @weball7899 2 года назад +6

      @@Casual2020Enjoyer me too

    • @Steerable6827
      @Steerable6827 2 года назад +15

      @@Casual2020Enjoyer I think he has the right idea but got it wrong.

    • @ProlMLGJoe
      @ProlMLGJoe Год назад +1

      @@Casual2020Enjoyer Same

  • @wakey87
    @wakey87 3 года назад +6115

    The problem with your new design is it now looks like jail bars.

    • @aktuellyattee8265
      @aktuellyattee8265 3 года назад +159

      If that was the main problem you could just rotate the lines.

    • @MrAgLi
      @MrAgLi 3 года назад +620

      @@aktuellyattee8265 Now it looks like a horizontal jail.

    • @aktuellyattee8265
      @aktuellyattee8265 3 года назад +239

      @@MrAgLi I don't think horizontal bars work very well at deterring escape; they sorta create a ladder.

    • @danchoen3847
      @danchoen3847 3 года назад +120

      Kinda like what being a member of the organization is

    • @AbdulRaheem-fk8ru
      @AbdulRaheem-fk8ru 3 года назад +29

      Ironic

  • @Captain-Axeman
    @Captain-Axeman 2 года назад +174

    I disagree completely, the UN flag is easily reconicable for anyone whom knows what it looks like from a distance. And pretty unique in color in addition.
    If anything, just remove the land from the globe and make it be a globe grid earth.

    • @Cenn_Devel
      @Cenn_Devel 11 месяцев назад +3

      It's not Whom knows, it's Who knows.

    • @indiegala281
      @indiegala281 9 месяцев назад +1

      ⁠whom isn’t really part of the English language anymore

    • @Willesden_Rab1_TV
      @Willesden_Rab1_TV 3 месяца назад +1

      from what globe ? are you denying the fact THE EARTH IS FLAT - even the world leaders can see this

    • @LeetleToady7
      @LeetleToady7 Месяц назад +2

      People, whom is very much still a part of the English language, and is completely correct here

  • @ZephyrusMapping
    @ZephyrusMapping 2 года назад +10

    >Man claims the UN flag is obvious and bland
    >Proceeds to change the harmonious-looking icon with a bunch of bars

  • @tverdyznaqs
    @tverdyznaqs 3 года назад +4736

    I see your point, but consider this: the current UN emblem looks friendlier than the 4 pillars thing because it's pleasant and round while the pillars are are very angular and almost intimidating looking. Also, the symbolism is way too obscure and abstract for the general population cuz like everyvone knows about the continents, but the 4 basic freedoms is straight up nerd shit lol

    • @LtLabcoat
      @LtLabcoat 3 года назад +382

      The symbolism being easily understood is the most important part. For the talk about the UN flag being unrecognisable at a distance, four pillars is unrecognisable whatsoever if you don't already know what it represents. But a flag with a world and a peace symbol? You don't even have to have heard what the UN even is, you'd still guess what it's about.

    • @JamisonPantley
      @JamisonPantley 3 года назад +213

      The redesigned flag kind of looks like prison bars to me. Probably not the ideal symbolism the UN is looking for. Now that said I am an American so of course it reminds me of prison bars.

    • @DOSFS
      @DOSFS 3 года назад +82

      I understand his point but in my opinion, I think the UN flag is one of the best especially for what UN wants to represent. And it's more universal than 4 pillars flag, Earth map and peace end.

    • @Yorick257
      @Yorick257 3 года назад +18

      @@weakspirit_ maybe it's because I'm from Europe but I would rather live somewhere with these 4 basic freedoms than somewhere where they are missing.
      And even in European countries sometimes these 4 freedoms are not held 100% which makes me sad..

    • @realwolfingen8896
      @realwolfingen8896 3 года назад +1

      Thou speaketh truth!

  • @aktuellyattee8265
    @aktuellyattee8265 3 года назад +1066

    The honor flag with the blue and white looks like a corporate logo.

    • @salutic.7544
      @salutic.7544 3 года назад +13

      Would be accurate then tho

    • @cheekybum1513
      @cheekybum1513 3 года назад +9

      @@salutic.7544 how?

    • @johanmikkael6903
      @johanmikkael6903 3 года назад +27

      @@cheekybum1513 bunch of morons who thinks they have the moral high ground.

    • @L1M.L4M
      @L1M.L4M 2 года назад +1

      🗿

    • @doddermodd
      @doddermodd 2 года назад

      I like both designs.

  • @tritanicwolf518
    @tritanicwolf518 Месяц назад +6

    HOLY MOLY A EDUCATIONAL RUclipsR WHO SITES THIER SOURCES. Good on ya.

  • @MrSockez
    @MrSockez 2 года назад +50

    I feel the issue with putting the color on the background rather than the pillars is that it creates this illusion of the 4 pillars of freedom being drained of color and then locked behind blue prison bars.

  • @djdjukic
    @djdjukic 3 года назад +1883

    The UN flag breaks some rules of flag design, but abides by the most important one: if it works, screw the rules. And it works!

    • @LOrco_
      @LOrco_ 3 года назад +109

      The flag of The Most Serene Republic of Venice is one of the most complicated flags out there, but look at it! It's fucking badass and it looks great

    • @bobpobcf9723
      @bobpobcf9723 2 года назад +94

      Lots of flag people want to make flags an oversimplified corporate logo

    • @zicklane
      @zicklane 2 года назад +16

      @@bobpobcf9723 thats why I hate so called "vexilloigists" they care way too much about weird stuff like the aspect ratio than what it actually looks like

    • @-ism8153
      @-ism8153 2 года назад +5

      No, he's right that it's kind of indistinct and bland. The symbols are definitely too complex and obvious. "We're representing the world, so let's put a world map on our flag!" "That's a great idea! Say, Chile should do the same thing, but for its map!"

    • @jockeyfield1954
      @jockeyfield1954 2 года назад +16

      @@bobpobcf9723 simplification isn't always a bad thing
      some of the most iconic logos in history are extremely simply. captain america's logo is legitimately just a red white and blue circle with a star in the middle. spider-man's logo is so simple that white triangles over a red circle makes you think of the webslinger, despite it missing the more curved designs and black line patterns

  • @jamespigeon1399
    @jamespigeon1399 3 года назад +1892

    even the UN is getting oversimplified

    • @st1220
      @st1220 3 года назад +8

      lol

    • @alinastanescu4430
      @alinastanescu4430 3 года назад +26

      @@BlaudracheLP Wrong oversimplified, James Pigeon was reffering to oversimplified logos(logos that are oversimplified such as the new fire fox logo)

    • @teoborges3949
      @teoborges3949 3 года назад +10

      Honestly is a good one. *(NOT THE FIRE FOX ONE)*

    • @waffelo4681
      @waffelo4681 3 года назад +13

      @@teoborges3949 in my opinion the original one is better tbh

    • @mjaned0528
      @mjaned0528 3 года назад

      So is collapsing

  • @elios-0001
    @elios-0001 2 года назад +14

    This is feeling like a cgp gray fever dream

  • @robertbalazslorincz8218
    @robertbalazslorincz8218 2 года назад +17

    *"UN: Involved in Peace"*
    imagine that line but without a colon

  • @Omnominus
    @Omnominus 3 года назад +2365

    I disagree. Yes, the emblem is kind of difficult to deduce from a distance. But the stark contrast of the coloration (blue and white), which is only shared by one other nation, is more than enough to denote the flag of the United Nations. Also, you oversimplify the flag by removing the world map and replacing it with abstract bars. A flag is to be simple, yes, but it should also be meaningful and indicative of the entity it represents. A world map clearly identifies to anyone, regardless of language, that this flag represents a global organization. Four bars are much more abstract, and meaning is much harder to deduce. I insist that the simplicity of colors makes up for the complexity of the world map, rounding out into what is arguably one of the most easily identified flags in the entire world.

    • @evanlight2550
      @evanlight2550 2 года назад +110

      Like the United Kingdom flag, it represents England, Scotland and Northern Ireland combining their flags together but also to signify their unity as they share these isles together.
      Or the American Flag with the stars representing the 50-49 States.
      Simplicity doesn’t always mean good but it can be used if that simplicity represents something more complex.

    • @ihatemotionblur_3255
      @ihatemotionblur_3255 2 года назад +12

      dont care didnt ask+ratio+cope+L

    • @rageraptor7127
      @rageraptor7127 2 года назад +39

      Let be honest no one is expecting to be invaded Samalia

    • @ihatemotionblur_3255
      @ihatemotionblur_3255 2 года назад +3

      @@aaronking2020 dont care didnt ask + ratio+L+cope

    • @etherealcat6521
      @etherealcat6521 2 года назад +4

      @@rageraptor7127 except for Africa, maybe. They kinda do that stuff often.

  • @danielrabinovitz478
    @danielrabinovitz478 3 года назад +2030

    I’d leave the circle with the meridians and parallels and just get rid of the the geographical shapes. It’s the same concept just without the geographical distortion.

    • @appa609
      @appa609 3 года назад +54

      this is way better

    • @brucewhistler9799
      @brucewhistler9799 3 года назад +115

      So a big internet (browser) sign?

    • @Yorick257
      @Yorick257 3 года назад +47

      @@weakspirit_ then it's a "Geography Teachers Society" (or something). For some reason this shape just associates with maps and geography

    • @aarondewindt
      @aarondewindt 3 года назад +24

      Wouldn't it look like a crosshair then?

    • @eoghan.5003
      @eoghan.5003 3 года назад +16

      Nah that's just making a target of the UN flag

  • @Skylla54
    @Skylla54 2 года назад

    New here, love the fact, that you actually suggested something! :D

  • @brouser4580
    @brouser4580 2 года назад

    Your intro is basically like the PBS one
    This show is brought to you by viewers by you.

  • @orangvii3633
    @orangvii3633 3 года назад +797

    „The honor flag is simple and iconic“
    Is it bad that I never knew it existed?

    • @abdisaniini
      @abdisaniini 3 года назад +53

      I thought it was a German military rank at first lol

    • @anopirsten7565
      @anopirsten7565 2 года назад +2

      @@abdisaniini why german?

    • @abdisaniini
      @abdisaniini 2 года назад +7

      @@anopirsten7565 Just thought of Germany first

    • @talete7712
      @talete7712 2 года назад +45

      No, almost no one knows about it lmao

    • @Jpeg.g
      @Jpeg.g 2 года назад +6

      No its the worst flag i could think of other than putting Doritos, mt. Dew, and the cool s on a flag

  • @041744
    @041744 3 года назад +5146

    I think you could improve the flag a lot by replacing the map projection with a stylized globe like this 🌐

    • @sonja5058
      @sonja5058 3 года назад +644

      Cool, no countries, no bias!

    • @thegoldennuggetyt
      @thegoldennuggetyt 3 года назад +98

      That’s too boring

    • @sophiegrey9576
      @sophiegrey9576 3 года назад +217

      internet flag

    • @hytalefanboi7471
      @hytalefanboi7471 3 года назад +181

      But then some countries would be on the other side.
      Edit: my comment makes no sense and I don't know how sleep deprived I was when I wrote it. So you can stop responding

    • @purpledevilr7463
      @purpledevilr7463 3 года назад +18

      That sorta looks like the commonwealth flag aswell.

  • @a-10warthog78
    @a-10warthog78 2 года назад

    I really liked this video. It is kind of similar to the style of one Sam O’Nella, but different in a good way. It has a close enough format, visual style, and feel to Sam’s videos that it’s within an easy comfort zone to watch, but also very different so you’re not just some guy doing what he did. It’s pretty great, and it’d be ironic if you didn’t even know who Sam is.
    Anyway, you just earned a new subscription.

  • @dalek4463
    @dalek4463 2 года назад +1

    A good way to kinda get rid of confusion just make a shield and a non specific globe in the shield it makes sense for both the present and a possible future

  • @soarel325
    @soarel325 3 года назад +328

    I disagree with the olive branches being too detailed, they're super simple. I'd keep the flag as-is but change the map to a simple symbol representing the earth.

    • @underscoredfrisk
      @underscoredfrisk 2 года назад +1

      And what would that symbol be?

    • @soarel325
      @soarel325 2 года назад +8

      @@underscoredfrisk Have you never seen a simplified world map?

    • @underscoredfrisk
      @underscoredfrisk 2 года назад +5

      @@soarel325 Some countries are gonna be left out and they're not gonna be happy

    • @ReubsWalsh
      @ReubsWalsh Год назад +18

      What about the astrological symbol for earth? It's a circle with a plus inside. (you'll be familiar with venus ♀and mars ♂symbols).
      Much preferable to the prison-bars design! 🤣

    • @soarel325
      @soarel325 Год назад +4

      @@ReubsWalsh I like it a lot, especially since I love old mystical symbolism

  • @javiskii
    @javiskii 3 года назад +207

    Not to be too mean... But the moment I saw the old flag I thought of a jail

  • @grantbmilburn
    @grantbmilburn Год назад +1

    The map on the UN flag puts NZ top and centre, which is nice. Usually we are cropped from the bottom right corner.(Although most of NZ makes it into the Mercator at 2:54.)

  • @GalaxyStudios0
    @GalaxyStudios0 Год назад

    I think you could probably "unwrap" a globe, without stretching it, to make an accurate flat map. (the seams would be the pacific plate boundary, shifted slightly eastwards to accommodate Japan/Australasia and a straight line going up in the Bering strait)

  • @thenotsodemocraticrepublic7731
    @thenotsodemocraticrepublic7731 3 года назад +348

    I’d have to disagree, I think that the flags simplicity works because it has to represent everyone so the symbolism has to be broad and include everyone. The blue represents the sky which is the same for everyone and is the opposite of red which is often associated blood and war, the map shows the earth with no borders so nations with territorial disputes won’t get offended, and the olive branch’s while cliché are widely recognized as symbols of peace. If you put any more symbolism you risk alienating or offending a nation. On the other hand I think your redesign goes too far in the other direction were you simplified it to the point where it has lost all meaning, and in a worst case scenario could be misinterpreted in a negative way.

    • @TrueFlameslinger
      @TrueFlameslinger 2 года назад +26

      Agreed, and you didn't even mention that the 4 pillars design was based on a US presidential speech.
      I did like the shift to gold olive branches though, perhaps to represent peace and prosperity rather than solely peace

  • @mvemjsunp8
    @mvemjsunp8 3 года назад +798

    Current design isn't perfect but your alternative is worse

    • @artelislt
      @artelislt 3 года назад +18

      True

    • @maemaemae9032
      @maemaemae9032 3 года назад +7

      Amen.

    • @napabilirim
      @napabilirim 3 года назад +8

      Maybe we should remove the world map and make the olive branches bigger

    • @juniorcrusher2245
      @juniorcrusher2245 3 года назад +31

      Not even sure why theres a problem with the UN flag. Just because it rests on a certain continet doesnt even mean most people would notice that. O sure didint notice it at first

    • @fluffynator6222
      @fluffynator6222 3 года назад +3

      @@juniorcrusher2245
      The only thing you can't properly recognise is Australia and that's mostly because of the stretching affect. Maybe put the Atlantic ocean at the bottom but apart from that it's absolutely okay.

  • @ThatVillain-the-Gamer
    @ThatVillain-the-Gamer 2 года назад

    In the clouds in a sky thing there's some text. It says "not even on[e] fallout"
    Also the [e] is something that may or may not be there, it's even harder to see

  • @elijah-jajah
    @elijah-jajah 2 года назад +4

    6:35 North korea: Dont add it, i might have to leave if you do!

  • @lazarusboi6289
    @lazarusboi6289 3 года назад +249

    To be quite honest, I think the redesign is plain horrible lmao

    • @kasper4079
      @kasper4079 2 года назад

      well so is the current and tbh organization that can't even take care of it's own shouldn't have that much power

    • @underscoredfrisk
      @underscoredfrisk 2 года назад +27

      @@kasper4079 Something blurry > Jail bars

    • @dyawr
      @dyawr Год назад

      Yep

  • @acasualcactus5878
    @acasualcactus5878 2 года назад +2

    Does anybody know the name of the tune at the end of the video?

  • @derrickstorm6976
    @derrickstorm6976 5 месяцев назад

    4:37 oh yes, it can either be a star or a ball with a circle around it, since those are the options for a flag with this color scheme. So confusing at a distance

  • @noytelinu3409
    @noytelinu3409 3 года назад +374

    Ehhhh you had me until you showed the alternative. Nah I'd rather have the current flag than 4 bars. I agree with the others here. Just make the globe a white circle. Done.

    • @icecold1805
      @icecold1805 3 года назад +30

      The thing is by doing that you are giving the impression you see the planet as a uniform blob. Would certainly fuel the paranoia that the UN and globalization is destroying national borders and identites and homogenizing everything into... a white circle.

    • @sanjaymatsuda4504
      @sanjaymatsuda4504 3 года назад +4

      @@icecold1805 Okay, then make it a black stickman holding hands with a white stickman.

    • @icecold1805
      @icecold1805 3 года назад +12

      @@sanjaymatsuda4504 barrage of accusations of racism, of discrimination against those who feel not identified in this flag (what about latinos, asians, arabs, etc). Of making world politics into just an issue of race, of disregarding political individuality among white or black populations and so on and on and on.

    • @juniorcrusher2245
      @juniorcrusher2245 3 года назад +3

      @@sanjaymatsuda4504 yellow stickman????? Your design would cause alot of problems

    • @sanjaymatsuda4504
      @sanjaymatsuda4504 3 года назад +6

      @@juniorcrusher2245 In real life nobody is white as paper or black as crude petrol, all people are inbetween. So if two stickmen at opposite ends of the color spectrum can hold hands, it's easy to understand that it's okay for a brown/"yellow"/whatever person to hold hands with a slightly lighter person.

  • @lideruploader6577
    @lideruploader6577 3 года назад +103

    Tapakapa: We are better off letting maps be maps and flags be flags.
    Cyprus: How dare you?

    • @abdisaniini
      @abdisaniini 3 года назад +13

      Kosovo: *I'm with Cyprus*

    • @risannd
      @risannd 3 года назад +1

      Bangladesh: I'm in-- Nah nvm

    • @trollinape2697
      @trollinape2697 2 года назад

      @@risannd what does bangladesh even have to do with it?

    • @risannd
      @risannd 2 года назад +4

      @@trollinape2697 Bangladesh flag originally had yellow map of hers inside the red circle. It was later removed upon independence.

    • @trollinape2697
      @trollinape2697 2 года назад +1

      @@risannd never knew, thx for tellin me

  • @europeanmappin
    @europeanmappin Год назад

    im pretty sure the earth in the un’s emblem thing is supposed to be centered on greenwich (or whatever idk how to spell it), because, to my knowledge its the center of the official? timezone, GMT, centered on greenwich

  • @radio_marco
    @radio_marco 2 года назад +1

    1:30 Actualy yes. In Bern was the World Data Forum and there did I saw a UN flag as a square.

  • @JazzJackrabbit
    @JazzJackrabbit 3 года назад +489

    Makes sense to make the UN flag into a zebra crossing.
    Everyone just walk over them anyway!

    • @riesenbonobo7846
      @riesenbonobo7846 2 года назад +10

      Exactly what I thought

    • @sumvs5992
      @sumvs5992 2 года назад +1

      Bar one or two times

    • @FriedTurkey
      @FriedTurkey 2 года назад +19

      Keep talking smack like that and you might just receive a strongly worded letter!

    • @carlosandleon
      @carlosandleon 2 года назад +5

      @@FriedTurkey You'd have to give the punishment to yourself. Because the UN represents your interests.
      You see how it works now?

  • @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un
    @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un 3 года назад +417

    The UN: stop developing nuclear weapons
    Me: How bout I do, _anyway_

    • @alionguy
      @alionguy 3 года назад +21

      funny seeing you here Mr supreme leader

    • @acommenter
      @acommenter 3 года назад +5

      supreme leader of best korea, You don't see supreme leader of the other korea commenting on a Tapakapa video.

    • @ProteinFromTheSea
      @ProteinFromTheSea 3 года назад +1

      thought you hated japan lol

    • @calvinware7957
      @calvinware7957 3 года назад +2

      Grrr metal gear

    • @leavewe
      @leavewe 3 года назад +4

      Funny thing is it was actually the americans who violated the original non-proliferation treaties with north korea

  • @michaelpapadopoulos6054
    @michaelpapadopoulos6054 Год назад

    I would suggest a blue background with a white dove as its design since it too symbolises peace and is pleasant to look at and it's a simple shape.

  • @Catlord98765
    @Catlord98765 2 года назад

    When I saw the fellow with the UN hat I thought you were going to suggest that they should change the flag to just have the letters UN on it

  • @fiendish9474
    @fiendish9474 3 года назад +81

    You almost turned the UN flag into a loss meme and that is hilarious to me

  • @Aaron-pe7xk
    @Aaron-pe7xk 3 года назад +260

    I prefer the old one... I'm sorry. I go against the emoji/simplistic design flags, I think they become to simple and lose something.

    • @fiendish9474
      @fiendish9474 3 года назад +43

      Noo UN don't turn me into an oversimplified logo!

    • @icecold1805
      @icecold1805 3 года назад +20

      It's the Firefox nightmare all over again.

    • @sion8
      @sion8 3 года назад

      I'm with this!

    • @saoirse4976
      @saoirse4976 3 года назад +8

      If you oversimplify something so much it loses it's uniqueness and recognizability, like the firefox or edge logo.

    • @VictorTwo2
      @VictorTwo2 2 года назад

      Isn't 70% of europe flags like 3 lines or a cross

  • @unamusedblueberry9681
    @unamusedblueberry9681 Год назад

    that's a great new flag and all but how are you gonna adjust the proportions for other countries, like Switzerland?

  • @thelegendarybloxycola4727
    @thelegendarybloxycola4727 2 года назад

    Make that weird effect on the effect that changed how you view the map from every direction you look upon it

  • @petrichor111
    @petrichor111 3 года назад +364

    I very strongly disagree with most points you made in this video. I actually really like the UN flag and the way it represents earth. The Lay-out of the world‘s continents is pretty much the most basic (and only) thing that all countries can agree and put similar value on as it simply displays their „home“. The Northpole projection is ingenious as it removes a lot of the biases towards a specific region since it is simply a fact that there are more people and, even more importantly, more landmass on the northern hemisphere. Leaving Antarctica out is a very acceptable down side to this and the compromise on focusing on the GMT Line makes sense as it puts the pacific towards the back which is the least inhabited part of the globe. Communication is still functioning as the white and blue Colour scheme is Sufficient to distinctly spot the UN flag from a distance and being able to “draw” a flag really shouldn’t be a criteria for flag design in our day and age anymore.
    Also those “fundamental values” you described are actually much more euro centric (or American) than the simple display of the geographic features of the earth. Freedom of speech and freedom of worship are definitely NOT the most common shared values across the entire globe. And even if they were I can’t imagine China or anyone else for that matter being happy with a quote of a wartime US-president being the foundation of what essentially is the world’s emblem. Therefore I find the 4 stripes pattern (not even mentioning its obvious visual shortcomings which others here have already described sufficiently) decidedly inferior compared to the current design (which I do think is in fact the best compromise there is).

    • @user-gc7qw1rv2s
      @user-gc7qw1rv2s 2 года назад +10

      woah this is long, i just thought the og UN flag looked nice

    • @trollinape2697
      @trollinape2697 2 года назад +17

      Exactly, idk what went through this guys head.

    • @wojtekpolska1013
      @wojtekpolska1013 2 года назад +27

      yea, like i dont believe anyone would be offended by the way they rotated the map. for example kids learning in australia dont have their maps upside-down to show australia at "the top of the world"
      this is just how the world agreed to present the map of the earth

    • @KouNagai
      @KouNagai 2 года назад +4

      Also, new flag looks like jail

    • @trollinape2697
      @trollinape2697 2 года назад +5

      @@wojtekpolska1013 also that, everyone accepted it

  • @music_by_carlos
    @music_by_carlos 3 года назад +39

    Bruhhhh the “have we been invaded by Somalia” joke had me DEAD

  • @enilah
    @enilah 2 года назад

    reminded me of Oskar oskar pernefeldt's earth flag, it's a flower formed by white circles (kinda like the Olympic games symbol), imo it looks a lot better

  • @pinkbunchan9258
    @pinkbunchan9258 2 года назад

    the updated one looks like a jeep

  • @TheGoldenFluzzleBuff
    @TheGoldenFluzzleBuff 3 года назад +327

    “This is a bad flag” he says to one of the most iconic flags in the entire world

    • @Ara-gp4yj
      @Ara-gp4yj 3 года назад +32

      Iconic doesn’t mean good

    • @theratking6168
      @theratking6168 2 года назад +31

      @@Ara-gp4yj It is good

    • @nanilama7016
      @nanilama7016 2 года назад +15

      @@Ara-gp4yj so u mean great right?

    • @googleaccount402
      @googleaccount402 2 года назад +2

      @@theratking6168 it’s not

    • @aidanlutz8106
      @aidanlutz8106 2 года назад +9

      @@Ara-gp4yj it’s good for recognizing.

  • @johnkeefer8760
    @johnkeefer8760 3 года назад +197

    Something I like: The UN today is most focused with maintaining peace. Changing the flag would symbolically change the focus to more human rights rather than just anti-war

    • @ortherner
      @ortherner 3 года назад +21

      actually your wrong, because china is in the UN and they despise human rights lol.

    • @cheeseninja1115
      @cheeseninja1115 3 года назад +57

      @@ortherner that's the point, everyone says the UN is useless at stopping atrocities (it is) but that's by design as its only goal is to stop global war from happening again, not protecting minority/appressed groups sadly.

    • @franchufranchu119
      @franchufranchu119 3 года назад +12

      @@ortherner Most nations are in UN. Their presence doesn't say anything.

    • @kennedytheretard975
      @kennedytheretard975 3 года назад +7

      I hate the UN
      *I HATE THE ANTICHRIST*

    • @ninja_boi
      @ninja_boi 2 года назад +2

      @@kennedytheretard975 ayyy I saw that meme

  • @ATFprdepartment
    @ATFprdepartment 2 года назад +6

    Gotta love the UN’s bright blue colors being used as a “shoot here” icon on peacekeepers’s helmets, completely negating camouflage and providing no protection for UN troops

    • @ATFprdepartment
      @ATFprdepartment 2 года назад

      @A Mothman with a phone the same way you’re not really supposed to shoot people normally, that doesn’t give the UN an excuse to give troops equipment with barely any protection that could and has gotten a lot of peacekeepers killed. The really should’ve just stuck with an armband

    • @Omnominus
      @Omnominus 2 года назад +1

      I mean, a good flag IS visible and distinguishable. It’s easy to find on a uniform so that you can easily see who that soldier serves. That’s the point. Civilians can easily find the UN troops, that’s a good thing. People fighting against UN troops likewise ought to know, they’re fighting against UN troops. If the enemy is close enough to use the icon as a crosshair, then they probably don’t even need said crosshair

    • @ATFprdepartment
      @ATFprdepartment 2 года назад

      @@Omnominus my issue here is combat troops being thrust into battle with plastic all-blue bucket helmets (like the ones given to Irish soldiers in Jadotville, which I’m pretty sure they decided to not even bother wearing them). For identification, that’s simple solution, out of combat, you’ve got the bright blue arm bands, and in battle, an arm band is easy and not betraying camouflage nearly as much as 20% of the uniform being this useless bright blue piece of plastic easily giving away your position to the enemy.

    • @warron24
      @warron24 Год назад +5

      @@ATFprdepartment They're not going into battle. Most of the time the best way to keep UN soldiers safe is by letting everyone know they're UN soldiers because there are consequences to targeting peacekeepers and most groups aren't going to risk it.. They're not even really soldiers- they're peacekeepers, bodyguards, and guards for refugee camps. Saying they need better camouflage is like saying police officers need better camouflage.

  • @juzao1000
    @juzao1000 2 года назад

    Your proposed design looks like prison bars hah

  • @RoderickVI
    @RoderickVI 3 года назад +116

    As a Catalan I absolutely agree with implementing the original Honour flag, we should just turn it 90° and paint the background yellow. There, perfect!

    • @kasper4079
      @kasper4079 2 года назад +13

      isn't that just the catalan flag?

    • @RoderickVI
      @RoderickVI 2 года назад +39

      @@kasper4079 Shhh, dont let them into the secret

    • @xrete
      @xrete 2 года назад

      lel xF

    • @dyawr
      @dyawr Год назад

      😂😂😂👍

    • @Quepasaaqui718
      @Quepasaaqui718 Год назад +1

      💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

  • @whothoughtthiswasagoodidea
    @whothoughtthiswasagoodidea 3 года назад +84

    I wish the biggest problem with the UN was their flag design.

    • @fiendish9474
      @fiendish9474 3 года назад +11

      Laughs in human rights violations

    • @pierresihite8854
      @pierresihite8854 3 года назад +17

      *Laughs nervously at China joining the Human Rights Council*

    • @mxn1948
      @mxn1948 3 года назад +6

      @@pierresihite8854 as opposed to who else? american best buddies, the saudis are on there too. the us and its vessels themselves commit tons of crimes. the UN works by including everyone this means you get to criticize people but also get criticized by others.

    • @shamusson
      @shamusson 3 года назад +4

      Laughs in world government

    • @whothoughtthiswasagoodidea
      @whothoughtthiswasagoodidea 3 года назад +3

      @@shamusson "Remember that the UN itself was built on land donated by John D Rockefeller."

  • @twltheakumaandoni9025
    @twltheakumaandoni9025 2 года назад

    Wow great content. +1 Sub

  • @muhammadrayhanfirdaus1309
    @muhammadrayhanfirdaus1309 2 года назад

    For replacement? Good idea but quite hard to implement though, I mean yes that 4 pillars are meaningful but only in some ways.
    For military perspective? I freaking agree and love the pillars. Easier to costumize for sure. (UN-SOG/UN-SFG for spec-ops guys and many more).

  • @kolos0139
    @kolos0139 3 года назад +55

    Another great vido from Takap... Tapek... Tepek... The flag guy.

  • @Pipboy3000
    @Pipboy3000 3 года назад +106

    One problem about using those 4 pillars as the basis for the new design, is there are countries in the UN that don't agree with them very strongly.

    • @TU-mf2ut
      @TU-mf2ut 3 года назад +4

      Fuck em.

    • @AmariFukui
      @AmariFukui 2 года назад +3

      And that right there is why the UN is toothless and pointless

    • @albar428
      @albar428 2 года назад +2

      @@AmariFukui The UN provided lots of military action in the past, and there are still peacekeepers deployed around the world.

    • @AmariFukui
      @AmariFukui 2 года назад

      @@albar428 Keyword, in the past
      Darfur demonstrated their toothlessness, they couldn't even protect the citizens of a country who WANTED them there. That is the ultimate failure

    • @albar428
      @albar428 2 года назад +2

      @@AmariFukui That makes every single military organization toothless. Every single military on earth hasn't stepped into a conflict that they should have. However one of the greatest things about the UN is the Peace corps, they helped teach and build homes in Guinea during and after the reign of Sekou Tore, and are still there to this day helping out with Covid and such. Saying the UN is useless is a fucking idiotic statement, looking at the vrand picture. The UN stopped tens of thousands of Croats from being killed, and did amazing work in West africa during the fall of the Soviet Union and still are.

  • @ethangonzalez8904
    @ethangonzalez8904 2 года назад

    Maybe a dark background with a bright yellow-ish stripe and a pale blue dot inside- "a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam"

  • @TechCrate
    @TechCrate 2 года назад

    i get the distance bit, but i kinda like it closeup

  • @mnm1273
    @mnm1273 3 года назад +83

    I think the UN flag is actual a masterpiece. It presents in a clear enough way the world so that you see where everywhere is. It's centering one europe is the option that allow for the most countries near the top to not be mushed up. It doesn't show antartica because it's unimportant and a tense region.
    It's colour scheme makes is recongizable. Anyone looking at it from afar will guess it's the UN (the flag of Somalia is rarely scene and the central area shaps are kind of opposites), the red and white flag you're offering actual less recognizable, red and white aren't exactly rare on flags.
    The messagery is much less controversial. Instead of imposing American values (it's literrally based on a state of the union adress, not exactly neutral) that are at best centered on the West it puts a clear neutral message that few would openly object to (freedom of speach and religion are not at all seen as universal rights by UN countires let alons beligireant combatants). Being non controversial is key for a flag of peace keepers who want to be defended by the universal values they represent.

    • @marten8148
      @marten8148 3 года назад +21

      The current flag of the UN is honestly one of my favorite flags

    • @TILR
      @TILR 3 года назад +7

      @@marten8148 Agreed, I proudly hang a UN flag in my room (just wish Antarctica could have some representation, but I guess the Antarctic Treaty System and Antarctica Flags are pretty nice)

    • @TILR
      @TILR 3 года назад +1

      I just thought I mean it's kinda a dumb idea but what if you had a south pole projection on the backside of the flag so it could include antarctica

    • @swemn8062
      @swemn8062 3 года назад +12

      Honestly this entire video feels dumb. The UN flag is probably the second most recognizable flag in the world. Literally there's only 1 other country using that light blue and white combination.
      And while it's not perfect. His new flag is so bad.
      There's the symbolism that's just dumb. He's using American values in a UN flag? And then he claims using the line where the whole globe adjusts it's time is biased?
      Also there's the fact everyone would be confused by it. It's redesign lacks any recognition. Like he said, the UN relies on recognition to defend itself and 4 pillars are so fucking vague nobody would recognize it.
      This video just reeks of him trying to justify why the UN would use this flag. He creates this "issue" with recognizability and then does mental gymnastics trying to prove the UN's old flag was better when it was far, far worse. It adds nothing. It creates conflict and confusion. Honestly the worse video on his Chanel by far.

    • @jasonbraun127
      @jasonbraun127 3 года назад +2

      I agree with most of what you said but just as a small correction: he actually never proposed to change the flag to the red-white color scheme. He wanted to keep the iconic blue and white and just change the "logo".

  • @Jack-lm8ry
    @Jack-lm8ry 3 года назад +83

    I think the symbolism is only "meh" because it's very literal. It's a world, and the symbol for peace, aka "World Peace". I think the U.N. understands that peace isn't exactly an exciting concept, but it's literally what it's striving for.

  • @jasdanvm3845
    @jasdanvm3845 2 года назад

    I honestly thought you were going to replace the map with the symbol of the proposed "International Flag of Planet Earth", designed by Oskar Pernefeldt.

  • @4deemi
    @4deemi Год назад

    would the brazilian flag be bad cuz of the stars in the blue circle representating the 26(+federal district) states of brazil and the "order and progres" thing writed or no cuz its ez to detect it?

  • @ShRkDa
    @ShRkDa 3 года назад +37

    you kno wwhat? Just make the flag a hexagon, because we all know that hexagons are bestagons

  • @bomba7197
    @bomba7197 3 года назад +59

    My proposition: Delete the branch and the map, but leave the globe lines (only delete the map) because either you agree or not, not everyone has the same ideals as those 4 pillars representing.

    • @hugomlpaixao
      @hugomlpaixao 3 года назад +1

      Not everyone has those ideals, but they should, and the UN should stand for those

    • @bomba7197
      @bomba7197 3 года назад +12

      @@hugomlpaixao Forcing it is like a dictator forcing his ideals

    • @hugomlpaixao
      @hugomlpaixao 3 года назад +5

      @@bomba7197 That's a paradox. If people live in a state that doesn't share those ideals, they live in a dictatorship. If freedom is forced, its like a dictatorship.
      To be honest, I would support a UN campaign to democratise every country, and I believe that there should be a law to which all countries should obey

    • @bomba7197
      @bomba7197 3 года назад +9

      @@hugomlpaixao That would be terrible, the definition of democracy is very wide.. that would mean the UN attacking democratic nations that are accused of not democratic. Who will decide what is a democracy will have the power to attack other nations... Even if it is a council of nations they would have the power to decide what countries to be attacked by the whole world based on what they saw as non-democratic.

    • @hugomlpaixao
      @hugomlpaixao 3 года назад +2

      @@bomba7197 yeah sure, it does have its flaws.
      But take North Korea. Do you think they should be allowed to exist?
      Do you think Saudi Arabia has the right not to treat women and men equally?

  • @AngelCastro-oq5pe
    @AngelCastro-oq5pe 2 года назад

    I always wondered what happens when I spell cpg grey with an accent

  • @geryz7549
    @geryz7549 2 года назад +1

    What if one just simplified the earth map to a circle, and made the olive branches a lot less detailed?

  • @sorgundus7927
    @sorgundus7927 3 года назад +48

    Me: can we get CPG grey
    Mom: we have CPG grey at home
    CPG grey at home:

  • @AverageAlchemist
    @AverageAlchemist 3 года назад +21

    One thing I do like about the map in the current UN flag is that although strange-looking it's actually as fair as a world-map could conceivably be.
    Areas in the north get to be in the center at the cost of being smaller, and areas in the south get to be larger at the cost of being more distorted

  • @UniTheAppl
    @UniTheAppl 2 года назад

    1:56 I know this is not the focus of the video but why did that sound so Bavarian :0

  • @gorila2609
    @gorila2609 2 года назад +1

    Im so happy seeing the paraguayan flag being show at 0:42

  • @maximumgaming5o483
    @maximumgaming5o483 3 года назад +66

    I know keeping it simple is an important rule in flag design but I think this is a rare exception. The UN flag should be a little grandiose and flamboyant. It's represents a meeting of all the nations on earth working on freedom and peace for all and I think a fancy flag can reflect that important mission.

    • @caboose.20
      @caboose.20 2 года назад +5

      "Flags should be simple."
      The US: *Are you sure about that?*

  • @eoghan.5003
    @eoghan.5003 3 года назад +26

    The map only has a bias if you've already decided that North is up

  • @edifine
    @edifine 2 года назад +2

    The problem with your new design is that it looks like a barcode you would scan at the supermarket.

  • @shadowknight_2505
    @shadowknight_2505 Год назад

    0:15 Nice meet the scout refrence.

  • @3snoW_
    @3snoW_ 3 года назад +12

    I think the whole "you can't see the details from a distance" isn't necessarily an issue. As long as you can identify what the flag is at a distance, it doesn't matter how many details it has. For example, look at the Portuguese flag, it has a lot of detail in the center, but has a design that lets it stand out from other flags at a glance. I'd argue it's a better flag than for example the Dutch flag, which is really simple and straightforward, but there's so many similar looking flags (Russia, Luxemburg, Croatia, Paraguay, just to name a few) that it loses that "identifiable from a distance" property.

    • @panda4247
      @panda4247 Год назад

      Or Slovakia vs Slovenia... and even more, Monaco and Indonesia (although, they are much farther apart, and don't come into contact that often)

    • @paulgrotebeverborg1119
      @paulgrotebeverborg1119 7 месяцев назад

      It's not our fault so many flags look like ours, the Netherlands had it before the rest did

  • @UGMD
    @UGMD 3 года назад +38

    That’s what the dang antarcticans* get for not joining

    • @MCCCXI.
      @MCCCXI. 3 года назад +1

      antrarica*

    • @Endryn_
      @Endryn_ 3 года назад +1

      @@MCCCXI. antarctica*

    • @UGMD
      @UGMD 3 года назад +1

      Apparently hearts disappear when you edit a comment TIL

    • @diamondsky3787
      @diamondsky3787 3 года назад

      @@UGMD WHAT, feel sorry for u man

    • @juniorcrusher2245
      @juniorcrusher2245 3 года назад

      They uave joined

  • @rageraptor7127
    @rageraptor7127 2 года назад

    4:57 the way that was said. Just resonates with my soul lmao 🤣

  • @Lawslayer1779
    @Lawslayer1779 2 года назад +12

    Noooo, don't turn me into an oversimplified logo

  • @Blockiess
    @Blockiess 3 года назад +86

    I think you could change your name to: Flags that suck and sometimes potatoes

  • @multigamerinfinite
    @multigamerinfinite 3 года назад +33

    When mom says we have CGPGrey at home

    • @v_ysb
      @v_ysb 2 года назад +1

      Both are good so i would reccomend to shut

  • @amrak8504
    @amrak8504 2 года назад

    The proposed flag design looks like the symbol for google docs

  • @justanormalyoutubeuser3868
    @justanormalyoutubeuser3868 2 года назад

    I have a better idea: red background with blue horizontal lines on the upper and lower sides, devided from the red part with thinner white lines. Then put a red star in a white circle on the left and the flag is ready.

  • @SpaRool
    @SpaRool 3 года назад +29

    I like the current UN flag as it is :/

  • @josephpeck704
    @josephpeck704 3 года назад +42

    I think that trying to get every country to agree to a flag that references so many freedoms would be hard. There's quite a few UN members which are freedom-optional. ://

    • @newspacia
      @newspacia 3 года назад +4

      ikr freedom of speech? We don’t have that in my country (People’s Republic of China)

    • @mxn1948
      @mxn1948 3 года назад +3

      @@newspacia your country? you profile says you live in Uk and don't even speak chinese. you like pretending to be a PRC citizen on the internet?

    • @rexyjp1237
      @rexyjp1237 2 года назад

      @@mxn1948 he probaly just has learned english

    • @grand-dadmiral
      @grand-dadmiral 2 года назад +9

      @@mxn1948 Breaking: Local clown ignores existence of VPNs, more at 11.

  • @lordstarlin
    @lordstarlin 8 месяцев назад +3

    Yeah if you had a vote on these flags and had people choose which one they wanted i guarantee you'd have 90%+ for the current one
    Another rule of flag design: People have to actually like how it looks

  • @altaccount648
    @altaccount648 2 года назад +1

    That just looks like prison bars...

  • @HNBGamer
    @HNBGamer 3 года назад +21

    Bro it's United NATIONS, not United Earth, Antartica is no nation, why include it tho?

  • @flamingcacti
    @flamingcacti 3 года назад +8

    You make some of the best videos in the genre of “stick figure talking about things that are otherwise uninteresting but provided in an interesting overview with humor”

  • @alfarosiarsita
    @alfarosiarsita 2 года назад

    All nation that have map on their flag have some dispute with other country (cyprus and kosovo)

  • @Hyblup
    @Hyblup Год назад

    Perhaps a compromise between the two (real and proposed) would be better? (You can remove the map though)
    I don’t mind the bars however

  • @PoliticswithPaint
    @PoliticswithPaint 3 года назад +9

    While the UN emblem is definitely overly detailed in a vexillological sense, I do like it more than just four simple pillars, which are a bit boring :’ ) Additionally, there is also a issue regarding the meaning of the pillars; Some UN-member states are not exactly the biggest fans of (some of) these freedoms and might oppose such a new design. I think a better solution might be to simplify the projection of the earth on the flag and maybe to remove the wreath.

  • @whowantstoknow2967
    @whowantstoknow2967 3 года назад +105

    Last time I was this early, he was complaining about the flag of the League of Nation's.

  • @NGabunchanumbers
    @NGabunchanumbers 2 года назад

    While I agree that you can't make out the flag / draw it easily is a bit annoying, I think the shortcomings of not being able to tell the flag from far away are smaller than not being able to tell what the flag is at all, which would be the case with the boxes.

  • @silver_toad
    @silver_toad 2 года назад +3

    5:12 - LOL, i had the experience of spending 20 minutes on just drawing the US flag in a school project )))

  • @IkeSan
    @IkeSan 3 года назад +17

    1:58 your Austrian German accent makes presence here.

  • @M-Soares
    @M-Soares 3 года назад +42

    To be honest, your version makes me think of a barred jail window, not sure about that.

    • @benuscore8780
      @benuscore8780 3 года назад

      Yeah, my thought as well - it looks like light blue jail bars, I guess that shade of blue isn't that far from the grey typically associated with prison bars.

    • @bartholomewdan
      @bartholomewdan 3 года назад +1

      I was thinking more that if you cut it in half it would look like a pause symbol.

    • @re57k
      @re57k 3 года назад

      i was thinking of a zebra cross

    • @nerobernardino88
      @nerobernardino88 3 года назад +1

      I mean, the UN is kinda like a jail that forces everyone to comply with the whims of some specific nations.

  • @CrackyCreates
    @CrackyCreates 2 года назад +3

    6:19 mustache man and friends bruuuh

  • @CubicP1sa
    @CubicP1sa 2 года назад +3

    honestly a large circle with "UN" in it, similar to their goofy helmets, would be a banger flag for the organization