I don't have vaginismus I just straight up have a narrow vagina, but this is the first time I think I've ever heard a social media creator mention vaginismus and it feels so validating? Hearing someone else talk about how having a tighter vagina can make sex feel very intrusive even when you are comfortable makes me feel so much better. Thank you
Urgh Jordan I’m so sorry to hear about your awful NHS gynaecology appointment. I’ve also had a pretty bad experience: I went to my GP half a year ago to talk about treatment for vaginismus and the doctor said she first had to give me an internal examination to see if I had it. I was 17 and very nervous so I simply obliged, but was of course thinking it made no sense for her to do an internal examination when I’m literally coming in with a condition which makes that impossible. Cut to me being pants down on the table, her trying to insert a finger and me of course wriggling away with tears in my eyes. Afterwards she treated me as if it was SO abnormal and inconvenient that I had this reaction; she ended the appointment by saying there was nothing more she could do for me if she couldn’t complete a proper investigation/diagnosis, and then recommended physical and mental therapy (didn’t give me any referrals though..). It makes me so angry knowing probably the only reason I wasn’t instantly believed to have the condition is because I am a teenage girl - I mean, would a doctor ask a man coming in for erectile dysfunction to jerk off to prove it? It is also probably due to a lack of general understanding of vaginismus, but as a doctor you ABSOLUTELY should know the details of it. Anyways, I’m so sorry about your terrible experience with that man, and it truly does make me wonder just how many women get mistreated by the medical system, and if there’s any action that could be taken to change it.
Aww thats terrible !! seems so wrong and women dont get enough credit / people believing them when they say something is wrong. Keep speaking up though about any issues / medical problems. so true for a man they probably wouldnt even face this. Im so so sorry about that you are valuable even if this situation made you doubt yourself or feel un listened to . I really hope there is more done to change this
i heard the podcast this morning and kinda felt like sharing my journey with what i originally thought was vaginismus, because it so important to talk about these types of issues. I remember feeling bad, just like you describe, about not being able to perform sex in the way society expected of me. (sorry for the bad grammar/spelling, can't make the check spelling work right) For me it started after i got with my first serious boyfriend, and we've been good for the first few months, until a friend of ours told me that he felt sorry for my bf because we hadn't had sex yet. the pressure started to built. I pushed my self to be ready and first time we tried everything was horrible. Penetration was impossible and i cried afterwards. WE tried on and off for more than a year. I read about vaginismus and thought that was it. Feeling totally scared of how to deal with it, I just postponed doing anything about it. My mom one day asked me about my period and i told her i hadn't had it for a while, she got scared i would be pregnant and I told her that properly wasn't possible. She made me do a pregnancy test anyway. But from that conversation i started to be able to talk about what was happening and I finally went to a doctor. My doctor was a nice lady, she first tried using the gyno tool thingy for grown women, but no luck, then for small kids, and still no luck. She refered me to a gyno at the local hospital. While waiting for my appointment I broke up with my bf.. Oh well .. At the appointment they found I didn't have vaginismus, but a thick hymen that couldn't break (but they were holes in it for period blood). I had surgery and it fixed my issues. However going through 2 years of mental pressure to feel normal fucked with me. It took me another 2 years before I felt confident enough to try to have sex. What i'm annoyed about is my case is not that weird or uncommon, neither is vaginismus, yet almost no one talks about it. Even worse is this everylasting grouppressure to perform sexuality in a specific way, it still fucks with me so much. I don't even think my relationship to sex is too normal now because of what i went through. Anyway go get checked if you feel pain or penetration is impossible. If your doctor sucks, get another one. If they're not listening to you on a topic like this, then the will never listen to you on anything else that matters.
Thank you for talking about vaginismus, i was ashamed and stressed out for so long and didn't know what was 'wrong' with me. When you talked about the exact same issues that i've had for years it felt as if you were reading my diary. Thank you for giving this a platform because it is so nice and important to see people in the comments who i can relate to after feeling alone for such a long time ❤
Thank you so much for talking about vaginismus. I went undiagnosed for years and am still really struggling with it and intimacy. Honestly, thank you for sharing your story.
VAGINISMUS TIPS: Thank you sm for talking about this so openly. 18 y/o me needed this so bad! I wanted to share what I did to help my vaginismus. 1. Using dilators when masturbating. Make sure you're aroused when you do this. Just take control and take it slow. It took me a while to get comfortable with this but be patient and gentle with yourself. 2. I ended up having botox in my V to help. This isn't something I even thought was a thing but it really helped me and is a common treatment! I had to go private for this as unfortunately it wasn't available on the NHS when I needed it. 3. When my boyfriend puts his P in me, we pause and he holds me. He doesn't just start thrusting straight away. We pause and he holds me close, and I relax my lower body. My V contracts and I don't realise I'm tense until I take a minute to unclench and relax myself. We don't move until I'm ready. 4. Sex isn't just P in V. You're not a bad partner if you struggle with penetrative sex. It doesn't make you any less of a person. Take the pressure of yourself and (if you want) explore foreplay. No penetration necessary just touching, rubbing and seeing what feels good, build your confidence. It's a journey, and evwryone is different so these may nit work for you. But if you're reading this you're absolutely not alone. What you feel is valid 💗
I also had botox as a last resort and it was great. Before that, I would almost pass out just by putting a tampon inside me, not even being able to completely insert it. It's a shame that it's not available everywhere and that it's so expensive. Sending virtual hugs to everyone needing them (◍•ᴗ•◍)✿
Good tips and advice thanks for the thoughtful comments on this very real condition for women and young girls. There is ZERO shame please try to learn about it / be gentle and take time with your body, especially if you have not had sex ( like me) I would suggest be slow / lube and learning to relax deep breaths. Apparently it has to do with feeling out of control
i’ve also had to get creative and find patient partners to help me work around my gender dysphoria during sex. so i always love listening to ppl who struggle with things that effect their ability to have sex in all the ways we’re told we should be having it. thank you for sharing :,) literally loved.
I’ve had masseter Botox several times! I clench pretty severely so I haven’t noticed a huge change in my face shape, but it’s so nice to not wake up with headaches anymore
Your story about vaginismus is so relatable and sad 😢 I had the exact same experience at that age with the nhs and gynaecologist making me cry of pain while they told me nothing was wrong. Thank you for talking about this ❤
This is so sad and traumatizing !!! I do hope you will be able to find the right safe doctor / medical professional . This is not acceptable care I wonder why they didn't suggest any medication with minimal / not many side effects to help or other methods to help you un clench / feel more relaxed
you should be so proud of your self you have done amazing and you deserve so many more followers!!! you put sm effort in it needs to be recognised more🌟
This episode of voice notes was great honestly. I don't have vaginismus tho I might have like a super diluted verson of it, but I am on the pill and on sertralin. I am on the asexuality spectrum idk if it's bc of the trauma caused by a former partner or just the way I am but good god I felt your description of not wanting sex / rather doing anything else and feeling like a bad partner sooo much. Lucky for me I have been with my current partner for 10 years now and he is fine with like 3 to 4 months of no sex bc he doens't want me to "consent" just because I feel like i "have" to bc sex should be a fun thing not a chore and he is not with me only bc of sex. He really is a gem and for other people suffering with similar things and are yearning for a partner; just like jordan said ditch everyone who have a problem with no sex! The right one will come along but not if you sacrifice your comfort
thank you so much for talking about vaginismus, it doesn’t get talked about nearly enough. hearing others share their experiences helps me feel less alone and embarrassed ❤
Ugh that initial gyno appointment sounded horrendous. Sorry you had to go through that. Honestly one of the worst feelings is knowing there's something wrong/what's wrong and then having a doctor dismiss you or even just having them examine you to tell you something you kind of already knew with little help. I am currently considering whether I have vaginismus myself as I experience quite a bit of discomfort when it comes to penetration, so I feel like this episode came at the perfect time. Also currently on fluoxetine so the loss of sex drive is real. I would totally watch if you make fashion content! I am obsessed with all things fashion!
its depressing how much i relate to your vaginismus experience, its like the whole world makes sense. nobody ever took me seriously when i talked about what i feel and now i have someone to relate to. (im not someone who finds solace in relating to other's experiences)
I love your openness Jordan! I dealt with it myself about 6 years ago and it was almost impossible at the time to find people talking comfortably about their vaginismus experiences 💜 keep doing what ur doin
This has quickly become one of my favorite podcasts 😊 I love your main channel but I absolutely adore how this podcasts feels like a safe community for the girlies to talk about stigamatized topics especially relating to women's struggles 💗 luv you girl! 🥰
Thank you so much for being so open and vulnerable about your sexual journey. You’re refreshing to watch and we’re so similar in the way we think, I feel so validated when I watch you. Like the food fixation thing? Me my whole life, one of mine rn is hard boiled eggs lmao. Also the lazy part, it’s so hard for me to admit bc I know a lot of ppl won’t understand but sometimes I’m just so lazy and I felt like I was the only one.
I still remember the day that I saw this video for the first time. As a fan of your work, I was really surprised by the title and, more than that, I was really thankful that you made it. This video made me feel normal. And that was something that I'd struggle a lot with since when I first found out that I had trouble with penetration. It was like sharing a hug with someone who had had a similar experience to mine, and that was a really conforting feeling during such a difficult journey that (at least for me) never ends. Thank you so much, Jordan. You're amazing
So validating to hear you talk about vaginismus. I don't think I have it specifically but I still experience a lot of random pain and my vagina is really bad at lubricating itself - even the lubricants that are supposed to last the longest dry up on me in like three minutes and it's soo discouraging. I've been dealing with a lot of shame and guilt around it, even if I logically know that it's a medical condition and I'm not a "worse girl" because of it. Hearing someone else talk about experiencing something similar helps my emotions
Queen Jordan Theresa thank you SO MUCH for talking about this! I already know this episode is going to help so many people. For me the worst part of experiencing vaginismus wasn’t the physical pain although that sucked, it was fear that it made me not good enough for my bf!! And that I was failing in my relationship because of it. We hate the patriarchy
I also clench my jaw a lot, especially when I sleep have me headaches as well. Had to also go to the dentist for a filling and he asked me if I clench my jaw, I said yes and then he recommended me to wear a mouth guard during the night because that’s when most of the clenching is happening for me. The dentist was also the one that used some paste that slightly hardened to get the shape of my teeth and send it away so they can make the mouth guard in the shape of my teeth. It’s basically a piece of silicone with the shape of your teeth. I only use one mouth guard for my top teeth but your dentist might recommend to use both top and bottom mouth guards. Hope this helps 🥺💕
I also had a mouth guard made at the dentist that I wear at night, because I had terrible headaches and a lot of pain from clenching my jaw. I was afraid that the mouth guard would be difficult to sleep with, but I got used to it very quickly! It solved my problem completely so can definitely recommend it! 😃❤️
For the clenching teeth thing ,i wear a mouth guard when i sleep. my teeth were crumbling under the pressure lolol so i got one and it does work. my jaw is sore when i wake up but i have noticed my teeth haven’t been flaking off when i eat anymore.
hearing your struggles with sex makes me feel so much better as someone who struggles a lot w low sex drive (the pill took it almost completely away) and a lot of insecurities tied to that and my body. I know I definitely look at other girls and think “omg I wish I was them they seem like they would have it all together and have a perfect sex life!” And it can lead to me feeling really guilty. hopefully if more women feel the same they start to speak out about it and normalize it!!
13:27 Omg I’ve never heard anyone else talk about that before, I literally just can’t be asked to eat like I don’t wanna do it like I wish I could just never be hungry
This was such a great and important episode! And YES to a separate fashion channel 😍 love fashion channels as long as fast fashion is not promoted! 🥰❤️
I'm only at the intro but this is so much fun, Jordan, you have such contagious energy! :D for the jaw clenching: I also do it in my sleep, it's stress-related probably. However I have retainers (because I had braces) and they help a lot in protecting my teeth plus you can find a lot of different exercises/massages for your jaw/face online to prevent clenching (for me it really helps, especially if combined with some nice smelling massage oil). Maybe this could help?
I would love to hear u talk more about fashion!! I’m super supportive of starting a second channel if u like that idea more - but I think it would be perfectly fine and good to just post those vids on your main as well as everything else!!!! On ur main we love watching u for u and the commentary vids r some of my fave but I’m positive that others would love to see the fashion vids as well as much as myself!! ❤❤❤
16:47 I use the Superdrug tan it’s in a pink bottle, I blob a bit of moisturise on my face and a tiny bit of the tan then mix them together on my face and bring it down my neck
Jordaaaan!!! The way my jaw dropped when u mentioned me 🥹been watching you since I was a teen and watch ur vids religiously! Pls start that next channel heheheh 💘🌟🫶🏼
Try a mouth guard first to see if that relives the clenching and headaches overnight. If that doesn’t do anything do the Botox. If you hate the way it looks it wears off in 3-4 months and your face will return to the way it looked before. Sometimes the “baby face” can actually be swelling and a build up of lactic acid in the jaw muscles. Additionally, get a face massager like those roller balls or something and break up the tension in your jaw muscles to see if that helps, the face roller from Sephora is great.
As someone with mrkh, i can relate to the stuff you said about feeling quilty, but hearing someone talk about it helps me to not feel so alone with my problems, so thanks xoxo
This made me emotional because I relate so much to your experience with vaginismus!! I had such a similar experience with an older man NHS gynecologist in Tooting, I wonder if it was the same one lol. BUT every other experience I've had with NHS gynecologists has been fantastic. The Burrell St clinic has always been great and I highly recommend it to anyone in London.
regarding the teeth clenching: maybe consider a night guard, I got one a few years ago because I got massive headaches and jaw pains from clenching my teeth in the night (and actually also my teeth suffered from it) and it literally changed my life, really, I can’t recommend it enough!! I didn’t even know a few years ago that it was possible to wake up without jaw pain and now it’s nonexistent
Jordan you need to try the st moritz facial tan drops!!! Been using it for YEARS so cheap and shouldn’t break you out, especially not as much as the gradual tan xo
Echoing what others are saying, it’s great to hear someone talking about vaginismus. I thought I had it when I first started having sex because to be frank I was pushing myself to have sex that I didn’t really want, which ended up being really painful. I was stuck in this stupid idea that this was an “inevitable” part of sex and that the more I did it, the more the pain would subside. Thankfully I eventually found the patient, loving and considerate partner I’m with today, and these days sex is rarely actually painful for me.
I really do not understand the concept of clocks going backwards and forwards and losing sleep. Definitely a capitalistic concept to keep us chained to the rhythm (Katy Perry)
My boyfriend got masseter botox for teeth clenching and it did give him a slightly gaunt look. It basically shrinks the jaw muscle over time. And the results last closer to a year, unlike botox for wrinkles, because they tend to add a lot more botox and the muscles are larger and atrophy more. Some people with a very square jaw have good results, but you seem to have a more rounded jaw. Many people just find their face looking saggy because the muscle adds structure. I almost got it but did not after seeing my boyfriends results 😆
I also have a problem with clenching my jaw, especially when I sleep, so my dentist gave me a mouth guard thing that goes over your teeth when I sleep which really helps! It might be helpful since it won't change your looks and is a one-time payment. Hope this was useful
I've also considered masseter botox because I have terrible jaw clenching and teeth grinding, sometimes waking up unable to chew food :( So would also be keen to hear what it's like/if its worth it!
im working on plish art rn and i laughed sm bc of 4:22 and the AHAUGHAHGA part omfg also abt the botox jaw thingy!! youtuber jessica kellgren-fozard has had it done on one side of her face maybe u can watch her video abt it!!
I first discovered I had vaginismus/dyspareunia around 2019. I was 21 and in a long term relationship. It was triggered by years of untreated anxiety and being attacked. I didn't get hurt but that's when the spiral started. Sex became uncomfortable, and just like Jordan said, intrusive (never thought of it that way and it's exactly the word I was looking for!). It came and went every now and then, and then it got at its worst about a year later when I found out my bf stepped out on me (debatable if it was cheating, but like basically he liked the girl's attention and gave her a massage then lied about it for 8 months...). So from then on sex was borderline impossible, and every time I'd try it was painful and I would tear and be in pain for days. That's also when I started viewing oral as sex and not foreplay, and that made the world of a difference to my anxiety. My bf at the time never initiated sex so it wasn't a problem, but I was so scared he'd step out on me again that I felt like I had to keep him satisfied at all times. He was very sweet though, when I said it hurt he'd immediately stop and never questioned me. We eventually broke up because he stepped out again (with a different friend, and had been emotionally cheating with another friend. They're together now so good for them, they deserve each other). I was single for 6 months and didn't think about sex or masturbating (which I don't really do) once. When I joined tinder I was a bit worried about how that conversation would go when I want to get physical with someone. On my second day on Tinder, I swiped on my current bf (almost 8 months now❤) we had the most amazing chemistry. We connected emotionally, intellectual, spiritually, and I found him very VERY attractive😍 he's honestly the hottest guy I've ever laid my eyes on. I told him about my dyspareunia and it barely phased him. We started out kinda casual (from my side, he told me he loved me on the first date and I got distant because I'm a moron). It only lasted a week though then we made it official😂. But sex was never an issue in the beginning, we were very attracted to each other and it was the best thing ever. There have been some flare up when I'm very stressed or if we didn't properly resolve something that was kind of bothering one of us, so that just makes us talk things out properly all the more. He has pretty severe depression and is on strong meds so his sex drive isn't the highest (and considering how hot he is, that was a surprise to me). So that takes any pressure off. When we do have sex there's lots of foreplay and we take out time. It rarely ever hurts and if it does it heals very quickly (like a few hours). And the funny thing is I was worried about us having sex because he's pretty huge🙈 but that just goes to show that with the right person, everything works out. The universe really said "you keep forgiving this bastard, just walk away you dumb bitch. You know what? I'm taking away your pussy priveleges. No you can't be trusted so suffer."
You do look cute today with your hair back! I've thought about getting masseter botox for the same reason. More speciafically for TMJ. But I did manage to get my face to relax more with massage. Even just really getting in there with your fists or fingers rolling on your cheek muscles helps. It's kind of like foam rolling for the face.
Thank you so much for sharing about your vaginismus, Jordan. I am about to turn 30 and I have never had successful penetrative sex because of it. In my case, things are so tight and painful that a penis doesn’t even fit. I have been seeing a pelvic floor physical therapist as well as a sex therapist for some time now and I’ve made a lot of progress, but I still struggle a lot with societal expectations around sex. It’s so important to normalize these sorts of things because it’s a lot more common than most would expect.
Girl. I got Botox for my TMJ and it was LIFECHANGING. No more clicking or my jaw getting locked, I am a free woman! I’ve been getting it for 2 years and the last injections lasted me 7 months. I know not everyone has the privilege to afford a $400 treatment but it’s worth it if you can. I also have a bigger and round face and didn’t notice any facial slimming.
I had massester botox and it's so worth it! It helped like a week after and it's been months now and I've had tmj for years and I feel so much better. It didn't change my round face at all
Thank you so much for talking about vaginismus. I have it too. ❤ Mine is towards the beginning of each experience. I think it also causes arousal non-concordance too (where the vagina doesn't get 'ready' with wetness etc even though I am very into it). Obviously lube is my friend during those times. 😅 That gaenocology appt was ick. 😔 You poor lamb. SOOOO typical for women to end up having to explain these things to each other. 🙄 LOVE that you figured out your perfect conditions. I've done the exact same thing. ❤
oh QUEEN - i grind my teeth BAD (jaw clenching) so i’ve used just generic full coverage mouth guard and it’s SO nice; u can also get like the less bulky ones - but sometimes when i’m lazy & haven’t used the mouthguard in a day or 2, i just pop my jaw like popping my knuckles lol xx
Botox- my bestie tried masseter Botox for her clenching teeth and I didn’t notice any difference! She also asked them to put the extra units in her under eye area and it looked fine ADHD/reading advice- audio books!! It feels like a podcast and I can walk/exercise/do chores while “reading.”
I'm in my 30s and still find it hard to find any doctors to help with my vaginismus, here in the U.S., I have been told to drink wine/beer before I have sex, that it is all in my head, that I am making it up. etc. Pap smears (Cervical screening) are super painful for me as well of course and just to let everyone who has a vagina know, who needs paps, they have different size speculums. Ask for the smallest one/for them to order one because some cut costs and don't have smaller ones.
@@Simmin3 I have never heard of that. I am going to not only look more into this but ask my doctor when I see her next. Thank you so much. I don't have issues sitting (Google said that may be an issue with vulvodinia but pain is just impossible when I have sex, it feels like I am being cut open with knives) I was checked for endometriosis and they said I do not have that. I am so sorry that you are suffering. Have you seen any improvements?
@@neoxochitl I am so glad I can help someone. Vaginismus is pain caused by a physical reaction to a psychological issue (ex. You can't relax, you are tense, because of trauma or stress), but what I have is pain during sex. Vulvodinia comes in different ways and for different reasons; in my case, I had a strong contraction to my pelvic muscles. I thought it was normal but it wasn't, it was through research on internet that I found out, and I managed to find a doctor who knows what this is. I had constant pain at the start (3 years ago), and sex was like being cut by a sword, no pleasure. now pain is just during sex and peeling sometimes, but it's less and gradually solving. You just need to find the right treatment for you. It can be a specific medicine, or pelvic reabilitation, phisiotherapy or vaginal electrostimulation therapy (called TENS), etc. - this last thing has been a huge help. I am from Italy and this is one of the invisible illnesses unrecognized by our state. I don't hear many people talking about this, but in Italy Hale Community is doing a lot of communication on that, maybe there are some resources in English too. A very helpful channel on YT is Dr Bri's Vibrant Pelvic Health. Hope you find something useful through this, maybe a community. The worst moments of my life are related to this illness, the pain in unexplainable. But it's getting better 🌸 and it's super important to talk more about it!
@@Simmin3 I am so glad that you are working to get you feeling better and advocating for yourself which is so important. Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to me but also to share your story and even recommend youtubers! You are so right that we should be talking more and let other women know when we need to seek help.
Hi gorge! I used to get botox all the time, not that exact procedure, but they told me $10 a vial is pretty standard, so you should get an estimate of how much you need before! x (disclaimer: it might be completely different in the UK from the US, but worth shopping around!)
I never comment on stuff but i saw black Skechers and i just needed to express EVERYONE NEEDS TO BUY THEM they’re so cute and so comfy i literally wear them everyday AND THEY HAVE TINY RHINESTONES ON!!!!!!!
I’m also in the same boat , recently found out I clench my teeth and grind them at night . I already get Botox in the eyebrows, neck shoulders and skull for my migraines , and though I kind of like that it dulled the line inbetween my eyebrows , it’s actually given me more wrinkles after a year of treatments. I get them done at one of the best health care providers in my country , but it’s just the nature of things . I’m gonna opt against massater Botox personally , but in the same way I’m not fond of my newer wrinkles , the relief from pain has given me a life back … I might suggest trying it , as it does kind of go away after 3 months , but I completely understand your apprehensions. I also have ocd/ ptsd and I can scrutinize the most minute details about myself
About the masseter botox: I have really bad tmj pain from clenching my teeth and I went to the dentist. They gave me a night guard as a first step. Absolutely massive hideous mouthguard, but it's made a huge difference. If I still have pain later on, I can get the botox, but the night guard was an easy first step with no changes to my face shape!
Getting straterra/atomoxetine (non-stimulant adhd med) was the only thing that helped me be able to read. But it is quite glorious. The only negative effect I've had is it can make me dehydrated so liquidIV drinks are my bestie now.
I get a really low dose of massateur botox for TMJ (20 units on each side) and it was SUCH a game changer. Not only does it help with the pain but it protects your teeth since you're grinding less so you're wearing them down less over time. I got a low dose intentionally because I didn't want my face shape to change (and to save money) and I did notice the muscle relaxing but it really didn't change my face shape at all (like your jaw isn't going to move so it can't change that much). They should be charging you per unit so you can just try 10 per side and see how you go. Also they say it only lasts a few months but I get over a years worth of results out of one session (I go back whenever I start getting TMJ pains again). Good luck!
I'd also say there's a chance your jaw pain could be helped by getting one of those anti-grinding retainers or visiting a physical therapist since your jaw tension could still be posture related.
for the clenching I would go to the dental office, since that’s a dental issue. I’ve seen a lot of patients with clenching issues. They would probably recommend a night guard that you would wear at night to protect your teeth & help with jaw pains !
i find doing my makeup so damn boring too!! my friends often ask me why I don't usually wear it and my reply is just that I forget, it's not important, the only thing I like is lipstick.
I don’t know what I’m talking about but I’ve been to an appointment for masseter botox once and the doctor told me it would take several injections to make a difference in teeth grinding. I ended up not doing it so I don’t know. But there are alternative ways to treat that like jaw exercises and bite splints help a little too at least with the teeth 😩
Just a tip girlies !!! ( lol also I hope we get a Lem apperance he is just randomly making noise in the background or flushing a toilet from the jack featured episode ) Kegal / pelvic floor exercise may be good for you too.
i have TMJ too, and i've heavilyyy considered masseter botox. Its just so painful, and causes such splitting headaches for me, that i think it might be worth it
I get that Botox every 6 months for clenching/grinding my teeth, exactly like you. From what I know, it does not affect your looks at all, at least in the way you're describing it, because they really don't inject a lot. My doctor said it could be very slightly noticeable on my wrinkles, if I had them 😂. I started with a very small amount and then they said they would increase the dosage only if I didn't feel the results. As far as getting it: I'm in Portugal so I actually went to a neurologist for my headaches and sleep issues, and they referred me to this treatment, so I don't pay anything for it. Maybe try to talk with your GP? My brother is a neurologist in the London area and he does it on his patients, but I'm unsure how it all works in the NHS.
i have adhd and also struggle with eating/actually enjoying food, it's cus the food's not tasting like dopamine lol so we rly are eating for survival/cus we NEED to
I don't have vaginismus I just straight up have a narrow vagina, but this is the first time I think I've ever heard a social media creator mention vaginismus and it feels so validating? Hearing someone else talk about how having a tighter vagina can make sex feel very intrusive even when you are comfortable makes me feel so much better. Thank you
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@@voicenoteswithjordantheresa Thanks so much !! its a interesting topic plus the fun personality is a cherry topper
Urgh Jordan I’m so sorry to hear about your awful NHS gynaecology appointment. I’ve also had a pretty bad experience:
I went to my GP half a year ago to talk about treatment for vaginismus and the doctor said she first had to give me an internal examination to see if I had it. I was 17 and very nervous so I simply obliged, but was of course thinking it made no sense for her to do an internal examination when I’m literally coming in with a condition which makes that impossible. Cut to me being pants down on the table, her trying to insert a finger and me of course wriggling away with tears in my eyes. Afterwards she treated me as if it was SO abnormal and inconvenient that I had this reaction; she ended the appointment by saying there was nothing more she could do for me if she couldn’t complete a proper investigation/diagnosis, and then recommended physical and mental therapy (didn’t give me any referrals though..).
It makes me so angry knowing probably the only reason I wasn’t instantly believed to have the condition is because I am a teenage girl - I mean, would a doctor ask a man coming in for erectile dysfunction to jerk off to prove it? It is also probably due to a lack of general understanding of vaginismus, but as a doctor you ABSOLUTELY should know the details of it.
Anyways, I’m so sorry about your terrible experience with that man, and it truly does make me wonder just how many women get mistreated by the medical system, and if there’s any action that could be taken to change it.
OMG 😭 that's horrific
i’m so sorry that this has happened to you too :(( xx
Aww thats terrible !! seems so wrong and women dont get enough credit / people believing them when they say something is wrong. Keep speaking up though about any issues / medical problems. so true for a man they probably wouldnt even face this. Im so so sorry about that you are valuable even if this situation made you doubt yourself or feel un listened to . I really hope there is more done to change this
i heard the podcast this morning and kinda felt like sharing my journey with what i originally thought was vaginismus, because it so important to talk about these types of issues. I remember feeling bad, just like you describe, about not being able to perform sex in the way society expected of me.
(sorry for the bad grammar/spelling, can't make the check spelling work right)
For me it started after i got with my first serious boyfriend, and we've been good for the first few months, until a friend of ours told me that he felt sorry for my bf because we hadn't had sex yet. the pressure started to built. I pushed my self to be ready and first time we tried everything was horrible. Penetration was impossible and i cried afterwards. WE tried on and off for more than a year. I read about vaginismus and thought that was it. Feeling totally scared of how to deal with it, I just postponed doing anything about it.
My mom one day asked me about my period and i told her i hadn't had it for a while, she got scared i would be pregnant and I told her that properly wasn't possible. She made me do a pregnancy test anyway. But from that conversation i started to be able to talk about what was happening and I finally went to a doctor.
My doctor was a nice lady, she first tried using the gyno tool thingy for grown women, but no luck, then for small kids, and still no luck. She refered me to a gyno at the local hospital. While waiting for my appointment I broke up with my bf.. Oh well ..
At the appointment they found I didn't have vaginismus, but a thick hymen that couldn't break (but they were holes in it for period blood). I had surgery and it fixed my issues.
However going through 2 years of mental pressure to feel normal fucked with me. It took me another 2 years before I felt confident enough to try to have sex.
What i'm annoyed about is my case is not that weird or uncommon, neither is vaginismus, yet almost no one talks about it. Even worse is this everylasting grouppressure to perform sexuality in a specific way, it still fucks with me so much. I don't even think my relationship to sex is too normal now because of what i went through.
Anyway go get checked if you feel pain or penetration is impossible. If your doctor sucks, get another one. If they're not listening to you on a topic like this, then the will never listen to you on anything else that matters.
Thank you for talking about vaginismus, i was ashamed and stressed out for so long and didn't know what was 'wrong' with me. When you talked about the exact same issues that i've had for years it felt as if you were reading my diary. Thank you for giving this a platform because it is so nice and important to see people in the comments who i can relate to after feeling alone for such a long time ❤
i’m glad this episode made you feel less alone!!❤️❤️
Thank you so much for talking about vaginismus. I went undiagnosed for years and am still really struggling with it and intimacy. Honestly, thank you for sharing your story.
VAGINISMUS TIPS:
Thank you sm for talking about this so openly. 18 y/o me needed this so bad! I wanted to share what I did to help my vaginismus.
1. Using dilators when masturbating. Make sure you're aroused when you do this. Just take control and take it slow. It took me a while to get comfortable with this but be patient and gentle with yourself.
2. I ended up having botox in my V to help. This isn't something I even thought was a thing but it really helped me and is a common treatment! I had to go private for this as unfortunately it wasn't available on the NHS when I needed it.
3. When my boyfriend puts his P in me, we pause and he holds me. He doesn't just start thrusting straight away. We pause and he holds me close, and I relax my lower body. My V contracts and I don't realise I'm tense until I take a minute to unclench and relax myself. We don't move until I'm ready.
4. Sex isn't just P in V. You're not a bad partner if you struggle with penetrative sex. It doesn't make you any less of a person. Take the pressure of yourself and (if you want) explore foreplay. No penetration necessary just touching, rubbing and seeing what feels good, build your confidence.
It's a journey, and evwryone is different so these may nit work for you. But if you're reading this you're absolutely not alone. What you feel is valid 💗
I also had botox as a last resort and it was great. Before that, I would almost pass out just by putting a tampon inside me, not even being able to completely insert it. It's a shame that it's not available everywhere and that it's so expensive. Sending virtual hugs to everyone needing them (◍•ᴗ•◍)✿
Good tips and advice thanks for the thoughtful comments on this very real condition for women and young girls. There is ZERO shame please try to learn about it / be gentle and take time with your body, especially if you have not had sex ( like me) I would suggest be slow / lube and learning to relax deep breaths. Apparently it has to do with feeling out of control
besties log on, new voicenotes with jordan 🫶🏽🌠
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Thank you for talking about your sexual journey - it really helps to hear someone speak out about the struggles we have as women.
our collective seasonal depression melting away as soon as the clock springs forward 💗💐🤭
this is so real xxxx
i’ve also had to get creative and find patient partners to help me work around my gender dysphoria during sex. so i always love listening to ppl who struggle with things that effect their ability to have sex in all the ways we’re told we should be having it. thank you for sharing :,) literally loved.
do you have any tips at all? if it’s not prying,,,
I’ve had masseter Botox several times! I clench pretty severely so I haven’t noticed a huge change in my face shape, but it’s so nice to not wake up with headaches anymore
Your story about vaginismus is so relatable and sad 😢 I had the exact same experience at that age with the nhs and gynaecologist making me cry of pain while they told me nothing was wrong. Thank you for talking about this ❤
This is so sad and traumatizing !!! I do hope you will be able to find the right safe doctor / medical professional . This is not acceptable care I wonder why they didn't suggest any medication with minimal / not many side effects to help or other methods to help you un clench / feel more relaxed
you should be so proud of your self you have done amazing and you deserve so many more followers!!! you put sm effort in it needs to be recognised more🌟
This episode of voice notes was great honestly. I don't have vaginismus tho I might have like a super diluted verson of it, but I am on the pill and on sertralin. I am on the asexuality spectrum idk if it's bc of the trauma caused by a former partner or just the way I am but good god I felt your description of not wanting sex / rather doing anything else and feeling like a bad partner sooo much. Lucky for me I have been with my current partner for 10 years now and he is fine with like 3 to 4 months of no sex bc he doens't want me to "consent" just because I feel like i "have" to bc sex should be a fun thing not a chore and he is not with me only bc of sex. He really is a gem and for other people suffering with similar things and are yearning for a partner; just like jordan said ditch everyone who have a problem with no sex! The right one will come along but not if you sacrifice your comfort
thank you so much for talking about vaginismus, it doesn’t get talked about nearly enough. hearing others share their experiences helps me feel less alone and embarrassed ❤
Ugh that initial gyno appointment sounded horrendous. Sorry you had to go through that. Honestly one of the worst feelings is knowing there's something wrong/what's wrong and then having a doctor dismiss you or even just having them examine you to tell you something you kind of already knew with little help. I am currently considering whether I have vaginismus myself as I experience quite a bit of discomfort when it comes to penetration, so I feel like this episode came at the perfect time. Also currently on fluoxetine so the loss of sex drive is real.
I would totally watch if you make fashion content! I am obsessed with all things fashion!
its depressing how much i relate to your vaginismus experience, its like the whole world makes sense. nobody ever took me seriously when i talked about what i feel and now i have someone to relate to. (im not someone who finds solace in relating to other's experiences)
When i say the clock being set back has WRECKED me its an understatement
I love your openness Jordan! I dealt with it myself about 6 years ago and it was almost impossible at the time to find people talking comfortably about their vaginismus experiences 💜 keep doing what ur doin
soooo excited just got in bed after a spa night and opened RUclips to miss Jordan such a slay
This has quickly become one of my favorite podcasts 😊 I love your main channel but I absolutely adore how this podcasts feels like a safe community for the girlies to talk about stigamatized topics especially relating to women's struggles 💗 luv you girl! 🥰
Thank you so much for being so open and vulnerable about your sexual journey. You’re refreshing to watch and we’re so similar in the way we think, I feel so validated when I watch you. Like the food fixation thing? Me my whole life, one of mine rn is hard boiled eggs lmao. Also the lazy part, it’s so hard for me to admit bc I know a lot of ppl won’t understand but sometimes I’m just so lazy and I felt like I was the only one.
lol mine was ketchup on things
I still remember the day that I saw this video for the first time. As a fan of your work, I was really surprised by the title and, more than that, I was really thankful that you made it. This video made me feel normal. And that was something that I'd struggle a lot with since when I first found out that I had trouble with penetration. It was like sharing a hug with someone who had had a similar experience to mine, and that was a really conforting feeling during such a difficult journey that (at least for me) never ends. Thank you so much, Jordan. You're amazing
So validating to hear you talk about vaginismus. I don't think I have it specifically but I still experience a lot of random pain and my vagina is really bad at lubricating itself - even the lubricants that are supposed to last the longest dry up on me in like three minutes and it's soo discouraging. I've been dealing with a lot of shame and guilt around it, even if I logically know that it's a medical condition and I'm not a "worse girl" because of it. Hearing someone else talk about experiencing something similar helps my emotions
Queen Jordan Theresa thank you SO MUCH for talking about this! I already know this episode is going to help so many people. For me the worst part of experiencing vaginismus wasn’t the physical pain although that sucked, it was fear that it made me not good enough for my bf!! And that I was failing in my relationship because of it. We hate the patriarchy
I also clench my jaw a lot, especially when I sleep have me headaches as well. Had to also go to the dentist for a filling and he asked me if I clench my jaw, I said yes and then he recommended me to wear a mouth guard during the night because that’s when most of the clenching is happening for me. The dentist was also the one that used some paste that slightly hardened to get the shape of my teeth and send it away so they can make the mouth guard in the shape of my teeth. It’s basically a piece of silicone with the shape of your teeth. I only use one mouth guard for my top teeth but your dentist might recommend to use both top and bottom mouth guards. Hope this helps 🥺💕
I also had a mouth guard made at the dentist that I wear at night, because I had terrible headaches and a lot of pain from clenching my jaw. I was afraid that the mouth guard would be difficult to sleep with, but I got used to it very quickly! It solved my problem completely so can definitely recommend it! 😃❤️
I also echo the mouth guard! If you’re struggling with your jaw/clenching or grinding, deff go to the dentist first and ask what they advise
For the clenching teeth thing ,i wear a mouth guard when i sleep. my teeth were crumbling under the pressure lolol so i got one and it does work. my jaw is sore when i wake up but i have noticed my teeth haven’t been flaking off when i eat anymore.
oh my god flaking off😭
I had to make a comment but the part about s** was so helpful, about mood, feeling like a bad girlfriend etc., thank you so much for shearing it
hearing your struggles with sex makes me feel so much better as someone who struggles a lot w low sex drive (the pill took it almost completely away) and a lot of insecurities tied to that and my body. I know I definitely look at other girls and think “omg I wish I was them they seem like they would have it all together and have a perfect sex life!” And it can lead to me feeling really guilty. hopefully if more women feel the same they start to speak out about it and normalize it!!
13:27 Omg I’ve never heard anyone else talk about that before, I literally just can’t be asked to eat like I don’t wanna do it like I wish I could just never be hungry
This was such a great and important episode! And YES to a separate fashion channel 😍 love fashion channels as long as fast fashion is not promoted! 🥰❤️
Omg this advice is so good it’s barely talked about!
As an Italian I'm dead at the pronunciation of farfalle lmaoo
I'm only at the intro but this is so much fun, Jordan, you have such contagious energy! :D
for the jaw clenching: I also do it in my sleep, it's stress-related probably. However I have retainers (because I had braces) and they help a lot in protecting my teeth plus you can find a lot of different exercises/massages for your jaw/face online to prevent clenching (for me it really helps, especially if combined with some nice smelling massage oil). Maybe this could help?
I would love to hear u talk more about fashion!! I’m super supportive of starting a second channel if u like that idea more - but I think it would be perfectly fine and good to just post those vids on your main as well as everything else!!!! On ur main we love watching u for u and the commentary vids r some of my fave but I’m positive that others would love to see the fashion vids as well as much as myself!! ❤❤❤
16:47 I use the Superdrug tan it’s in a pink bottle, I blob a bit of moisturise on my face and a tiny bit of the tan then mix them together on my face and bring it down my neck
Jordaaaan!!! The way my jaw dropped when u mentioned me 🥹been watching you since I was a teen and watch ur vids religiously! Pls start that next channel heheheh 💘🌟🫶🏼
was just listening to an old episode of voicenotes and got this in my recommended LET’S GOOOOO
Try a mouth guard first to see if that relives the clenching and headaches overnight. If that doesn’t do anything do the Botox. If you hate the way it looks it wears off in 3-4 months and your face will return to the way it looked before. Sometimes the “baby face” can actually be swelling and a build up of lactic acid in the jaw muscles. Additionally, get a face massager like those roller balls or something and break up the tension in your jaw muscles to see if that helps, the face roller from Sephora is great.
As someone with mrkh, i can relate to the stuff you said about feeling quilty, but hearing someone talk about it helps me to not feel so alone with my problems, so thanks xoxo
Loved this podcast! Thank you for bringing more awareness to the topic of vaginismus:)
yes please start a fashion channel!! I would love that 💘
This made me emotional because I relate so much to your experience with vaginismus!! I had such a similar experience with an older man NHS gynecologist in Tooting, I wonder if it was the same one lol. BUT every other experience I've had with NHS gynecologists has been fantastic. The Burrell St clinic has always been great and I highly recommend it to anyone in London.
I love your energy sm
yes to the second channel about fashion! also love the podcast
regarding the teeth clenching: maybe consider a night guard, I got one a few years ago because I got massive headaches and jaw pains from clenching my teeth in the night (and actually also my teeth suffered from it) and it literally changed my life, really, I can’t recommend it enough!! I didn’t even know a few years ago that it was possible to wake up without jaw pain and now it’s nonexistent
Jordan you need to try the st moritz facial tan drops!!! Been using it for YEARS so cheap and shouldn’t break you out, especially not as much as the gradual tan xo
thank you so much for talking about this jordan
when you said laini ozark and susie lola i SCREAMED they're my faves ahhhhh
This was so well timed, I really needed to hear this episode today. Thank you for talking about this stuff
Thank you for talking about this🥺🥺
Echoing what others are saying, it’s great to hear someone talking about vaginismus. I thought I had it when I first started having sex because to be frank I was pushing myself to have sex that I didn’t really want, which ended up being really painful. I was stuck in this stupid idea that this was an “inevitable” part of sex and that the more I did it, the more the pain would subside.
Thankfully I eventually found the patient, loving and considerate partner I’m with today, and these days sex is rarely actually painful for me.
The start is cracking me up because day light savings just ended in Australia and im sooo happy I HATE DLS, but I imagine it must be great in the UK!
7:23 i had to get surgery for my tmj so i haven’t tried this myself, but the first thing i was reccomemded was a nightguard instead of botox x
I really do not understand the concept of clocks going backwards and forwards and losing sleep. Definitely a capitalistic concept to keep us chained to the rhythm (Katy Perry)
My boyfriend got masseter botox for teeth clenching and it did give him a slightly gaunt look. It basically shrinks the jaw muscle over time. And the results last closer to a year, unlike botox for wrinkles, because they tend to add a lot more botox and the muscles are larger and atrophy more. Some people with a very square jaw have good results, but you seem to have a more rounded jaw. Many people just find their face looking saggy because the muscle adds structure. I almost got it but did not after seeing my boyfriends results 😆
Thanks for the episode, i really enjoyed it!
I also have a problem with clenching my jaw, especially when I sleep, so my dentist gave me a mouth guard thing that goes over your teeth when I sleep which really helps! It might be helpful since it won't change your looks and is a one-time payment. Hope this was useful
I've also considered masseter botox because I have terrible jaw clenching and teeth grinding, sometimes waking up unable to chew food :( So would also be keen to hear what it's like/if its worth it!
I clench my teeth too and I’ve been especially stressed recently so it’s been so painful! I feel you
Omg I feel you on the balley flats. I think they look so cute and simple but I cannot get into wearing them myself💔
im working on plish art rn and i laughed sm bc of 4:22 and the AHAUGHAHGA part omfg
also abt the botox jaw thingy!! youtuber jessica kellgren-fozard has had it done on one side of her face maybe u can watch her video abt it!!
I first discovered I had vaginismus/dyspareunia around 2019. I was 21 and in a long term relationship. It was triggered by years of untreated anxiety and being attacked. I didn't get hurt but that's when the spiral started. Sex became uncomfortable, and just like Jordan said, intrusive (never thought of it that way and it's exactly the word I was looking for!). It came and went every now and then, and then it got at its worst about a year later when I found out my bf stepped out on me (debatable if it was cheating, but like basically he liked the girl's attention and gave her a massage then lied about it for 8 months...). So from then on sex was borderline impossible, and every time I'd try it was painful and I would tear and be in pain for days. That's also when I started viewing oral as sex and not foreplay, and that made the world of a difference to my anxiety. My bf at the time never initiated sex so it wasn't a problem, but I was so scared he'd step out on me again that I felt like I had to keep him satisfied at all times. He was very sweet though, when I said it hurt he'd immediately stop and never questioned me. We eventually broke up because he stepped out again (with a different friend, and had been emotionally cheating with another friend. They're together now so good for them, they deserve each other).
I was single for 6 months and didn't think about sex or masturbating (which I don't really do) once.
When I joined tinder I was a bit worried about how that conversation would go when I want to get physical with someone. On my second day on Tinder, I swiped on my current bf (almost 8 months now❤) we had the most amazing chemistry. We connected emotionally, intellectual, spiritually, and I found him very VERY attractive😍 he's honestly the hottest guy I've ever laid my eyes on. I told him about my dyspareunia and it barely phased him. We started out kinda casual (from my side, he told me he loved me on the first date and I got distant because I'm a moron). It only lasted a week though then we made it official😂. But sex was never an issue in the beginning, we were very attracted to each other and it was the best thing ever.
There have been some flare up when I'm very stressed or if we didn't properly resolve something that was kind of bothering one of us, so that just makes us talk things out properly all the more. He has pretty severe depression and is on strong meds so his sex drive isn't the highest (and considering how hot he is, that was a surprise to me). So that takes any pressure off. When we do have sex there's lots of foreplay and we take out time. It rarely ever hurts and if it does it heals very quickly (like a few hours). And the funny thing is I was worried about us having sex because he's pretty huge🙈 but that just goes to show that with the right person, everything works out.
The universe really said "you keep forgiving this bastard, just walk away you dumb bitch. You know what? I'm taking away your pussy priveleges. No you can't be trusted so suffer."
Hi gordan
You do look cute today with your hair back!
I've thought about getting masseter botox for the same reason. More speciafically for TMJ. But I did manage to get my face to relax more with massage. Even just really getting in there with your fists or fingers rolling on your cheek muscles helps. It's kind of like foam rolling for the face.
Thank you so much for sharing about your vaginismus, Jordan. I am about to turn 30 and I have never had successful penetrative sex because of it. In my case, things are so tight and painful that a penis doesn’t even fit. I have been seeing a pelvic floor physical therapist as well as a sex therapist for some time now and I’ve made a lot of progress, but I still struggle a lot with societal expectations around sex. It’s so important to normalize these sorts of things because it’s a lot more common than most would expect.
Girl. I got Botox for my TMJ and it was LIFECHANGING. No more clicking or my jaw getting locked, I am a free woman! I’ve been getting it for 2 years and the last injections lasted me 7 months. I know not everyone has the privilege to afford a $400 treatment but it’s worth it if you can. I also have a bigger and round face and didn’t notice any facial slimming.
I had massester botox and it's so worth it! It helped like a week after and it's been months now and I've had tmj for years and I feel so much better. It didn't change my round face at all
Thank you so much for talking about vaginismus. I have it too. ❤ Mine is towards the beginning of each experience. I think it also causes arousal non-concordance too (where the vagina doesn't get 'ready' with wetness etc even though I am very into it). Obviously lube is my friend during those times. 😅 That gaenocology appt was ick. 😔 You poor lamb. SOOOO typical for women to end up having to explain these things to each other. 🙄
LOVE that you figured out your perfect conditions. I've done the exact same thing. ❤
oh QUEEN - i grind my teeth BAD (jaw clenching) so i’ve used just generic full coverage mouth guard and it’s SO nice; u can also get like the less bulky ones - but sometimes when i’m lazy & haven’t used the mouthguard in a day or 2, i just pop my jaw like popping my knuckles lol xx
Ps - I love this podcast, it feels like I’m having a voice msg convo w my bestie 💖
Botox- my bestie tried masseter Botox for her clenching teeth and I didn’t notice any difference! She also asked them to put the extra units in her under eye area and it looked fine
ADHD/reading advice- audio books!! It feels like a podcast and I can walk/exercise/do chores while “reading.”
I'm in my 30s and still find it hard to find any doctors to help with my vaginismus, here in the U.S., I have been told to drink wine/beer before I have sex, that it is all in my head, that I am making it up. etc. Pap smears (Cervical screening) are super painful for me as well of course and just to let everyone who has a vagina know, who needs paps, they have different size speculums. Ask for the smallest one/for them to order one because some cut costs and don't have smaller ones.
Are you sure it's not vulvodinia? I am treating it but it's such a long journey...
@@Simmin3 I have never heard of that. I am going to not only look more into this but ask my doctor when I see her next. Thank you so much. I don't have issues sitting (Google said that may be an issue with vulvodinia but pain is just impossible when I have sex, it feels like I am being cut open with knives) I was checked for endometriosis and they said I do not have that.
I am so sorry that you are suffering. Have you seen any improvements?
@@neoxochitl I am so glad I can help someone. Vaginismus is pain caused by a physical reaction to a psychological issue (ex. You can't relax, you are tense, because of trauma or stress), but what I have is pain during sex. Vulvodinia comes in different ways and for different reasons; in my case, I had a strong contraction to my pelvic muscles. I thought it was normal but it wasn't, it was through research on internet that I found out, and I managed to find a doctor who knows what this is. I had constant pain at the start (3 years ago), and sex was like being cut by a sword, no pleasure. now pain is just during sex and peeling sometimes, but it's less and gradually solving. You just need to find the right treatment for you. It can be a specific medicine, or pelvic reabilitation, phisiotherapy or vaginal electrostimulation therapy (called TENS), etc. - this last thing has been a huge help. I am from Italy and this is one of the invisible illnesses unrecognized by our state. I don't hear many people talking about this, but in Italy Hale Community is doing a lot of communication on that, maybe there are some resources in English too. A very helpful channel on YT is Dr Bri's Vibrant Pelvic Health. Hope you find something useful through this, maybe a community. The worst moments of my life are related to this illness, the pain in unexplainable. But it's getting better 🌸 and it's super important to talk more about it!
@@Simmin3 I am so glad that you are working to get you feeling better and advocating for yourself which is so important. Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to me but also to share your story and even recommend youtubers!
You are so right that we should be talking more and let other women know when we need to seek help.
I’m in the US as well and I see a pelvic floor physical therapist! It’s been super helpful and it’s one of the main conditions they treat.
Hi gorge! I used to get botox all the time, not that exact procedure, but they told me $10 a vial is pretty standard, so you should get an estimate of how much you need before! x (disclaimer: it might be completely different in the UK from the US, but worth shopping around!)
I never comment on stuff but i saw black Skechers and i just needed to express EVERYONE NEEDS TO BUY THEM they’re so cute and so comfy i literally wear them everyday AND THEY HAVE TINY RHINESTONES ON!!!!!!!
I’m also in the same boat , recently found out I clench my teeth and grind them at night . I already get Botox in the eyebrows, neck shoulders and skull for my migraines , and though I kind of like that it dulled the line inbetween my eyebrows , it’s actually given me more wrinkles after a year of treatments. I get them done at one of the best health care providers in my country , but it’s just the nature of things . I’m gonna opt against massater Botox personally , but in the same way I’m not fond of my newer wrinkles , the relief from pain has given me a life back … I might suggest trying it , as it does kind of go away after 3 months , but I completely understand your apprehensions. I also have ocd/ ptsd and I can scrutinize the most minute details about myself
About the masseter botox: I have really bad tmj pain from clenching my teeth and I went to the dentist. They gave me a night guard as a first step. Absolutely massive hideous mouthguard, but it's made a huge difference. If I still have pain later on, I can get the botox, but the night guard was an easy first step with no changes to my face shape!
Love u Jordan 💕💕
I had the exact same situation with gynecology with a younger male doctor in US
"You caN sixty- NOINne! :))" What a qween, haahahha 👑.
I'm 20 and considering masseter Botox too because I've been grinding away at my jaw since starting ADHD meds and it's just never gone away
Getting straterra/atomoxetine (non-stimulant adhd med) was the only thing that helped me be able to read. But it is quite glorious. The only negative effect I've had is it can make me dehydrated so liquidIV drinks are my bestie now.
I get a really low dose of massateur botox for TMJ (20 units on each side) and it was SUCH a game changer. Not only does it help with the pain but it protects your teeth since you're grinding less so you're wearing them down less over time. I got a low dose intentionally because I didn't want my face shape to change (and to save money) and I did notice the muscle relaxing but it really didn't change my face shape at all (like your jaw isn't going to move so it can't change that much). They should be charging you per unit so you can just try 10 per side and see how you go. Also they say it only lasts a few months but I get over a years worth of results out of one session (I go back whenever I start getting TMJ pains again). Good luck!
I'd also say there's a chance your jaw pain could be helped by getting one of those anti-grinding retainers or visiting a physical therapist since your jaw tension could still be posture related.
for the clenching I would go to the dental office, since that’s a dental issue. I’ve seen a lot of patients with clenching issues. They would probably recommend a night guard that you would wear at night to protect your teeth & help with jaw pains !
This was awesome!
please do make a fashion channel, i think a lot of us would love love love to see that from you 💖
im the same with fake tan, it's become my routine and i hateeee being pale
The only podcast I listen to 🥳
I hear these stories about going to the gynecologist all over the world. It's quite frustrating as I had the same experience in my own country ):
Thank you for sharing ❤
i find doing my makeup so damn boring too!! my friends often ask me why I don't usually wear it and my reply is just that I forget, it's not important, the only thing I like is lipstick.
I don’t know what I’m talking about but I’ve been to an appointment for masseter botox once and the doctor told me it would take several injections to make a difference in teeth grinding. I ended up not doing it so I don’t know. But there are alternative ways to treat that like jaw exercises and bite splints help a little too at least with the teeth 😩
Just a tip girlies !!! ( lol also I hope we get a Lem apperance he is just randomly making noise in the background or flushing a toilet from the jack featured episode )
Kegal / pelvic floor exercise may be good for you too.
Could we get the recipe link tho? 🥺
Please consider getting a dentist to make you a mouth guard to sleep to reduce the bruxism (teeth grinding) in your sleep!!!
i have TMJ too, and i've heavilyyy considered masseter botox. Its just so painful, and causes such splitting headaches for me, that i think it might be worth it
I get that Botox every 6 months for clenching/grinding my teeth, exactly like you. From what I know, it does not affect your looks at all, at least in the way you're describing it, because they really don't inject a lot. My doctor said it could be very slightly noticeable on my wrinkles, if I had them 😂. I started with a very small amount and then they said they would increase the dosage only if I didn't feel the results.
As far as getting it: I'm in Portugal so I actually went to a neurologist for my headaches and sleep issues, and they referred me to this treatment, so I don't pay anything for it. Maybe try to talk with your GP? My brother is a neurologist in the London area and he does it on his patients, but I'm unsure how it all works in the NHS.
I would actually love a fashion channel by you
i have adhd and also struggle with eating/actually enjoying food, it's cus the food's not tasting like dopamine lol so we rly are eating for survival/cus we NEED to