Freudian concepts are always interesting to me. I enjoyed learning that sublimation is when unacceptable urges of the unconscious mind are converted them into socially acceptable positive behaviors. When explaining congruence, the example used of "urges of aggression" leading a person to become an athlete in a "contact sport" really helped me understand the concept.
It is interesting to hear that defense mechanisms lead to mental health symptoms when they are used too often. I have read about sublimation in a textbook, however this video brought more clarity to it, and how it is related to the unconscious mind.
Thank you very much for this information. It is recognized a lot that Freudian ideas are not only correct according to nowadays theories. but from what I have run to, they are not usually accompanied by constructive critisism of this kind.
I have never heard of this before and it seems interesting. I can see Freud thinking of something like this, especially with his mindset that stems off of the way people in his time did not talk about certain things, how a lot of things were considered taboo.
I don't think sublimation and behaviourism are necessarily at odds. Antisocial urges would be socially undesirable (and hence a punishment), whereas if these urges are sublimated, they become socially positive and thus a reward. I think it is a word that essentially describes this process.
I appreciate and enjoy your videos analyzing current events, because I come away from them understanding issues more deeply, and not just with surface facts A, B and C. Still, I wish you'd occasionally do videos about "dry" topics again. Dry isn't a synonym for not interesting.
Alchemy. A high school friend accused me one day in psychology class of being a sublimator. I did not fully understand the term so I thought he was passing some kind of judgement. Now I see that he meant this as a compliment. What I think he intended to say was that I had the facility to direct my energies into very creative undertakings. Back then I had a reputation of being a prolific writer and artist.
If you peel back from adulthood to childhood, especially at first to third grade, you will catch glimpses of sublimation in yourself based on many choices you made in many circumstances. How we also choose roles to fit into families, will also reveal what were pushed away into the unconscious!
it is an example where the point is on the personality trait of aggressiveness, to a point that the outcome is not socially acceptable. You can choose a profession or a direction where that trait is appreciated. Such as a lawyer defending a case. Off course you still would have to look in to the other traits of the big 5.
Sometimes they can know, just by reflecting. There is a way to access, by remembering where the impulse began in childhood for example. You are too absolute. Case by case, some can tell you and some can't.
I do not know that I agree with the concept of sublimation. What I did not recall was that the original impulse is congruent with the transferred action/behavior or career.
It is not always possible to read/know when these impulses are at play because they are subconscious. So how does one know if the positive action is actually working on that particular negative impulse?
Anger is an emotion. Not a personality trait. Going to the gym, because of your anger is a coping mechanism. Whereas you might or might attend the underlying issue of the anger.
There is no conflict between defense mechanisms and learned behavior, in fact, I like to think of behavioral concepts as the underlying assembly code and psychoanalytic symbolic explanations as the high-level programming language, with all the structures that describe the programmer's intentions behind the instructions (loops, references, classes etc), if you pardon the metaphor. It's really hard for me to explain why a heterosexual man would be so interested in taking artistic photos of naked women, if it were only for the beauty of the human silhouette or proportions or skin tones or sexual liberation. And at the same time this very same man isn't very open about his sexual life or desires or kinks... Clearly something got erased and something else put in its place here.
No. When talking about urges it is something you might or might want to act upon. This is related to a defensive mechanism, a way to explain behavior from that person perception. The person might not be aware of using this coping style to deal with those impulses. When being high in aggressiveness, this doesn't mean that this is an unacceptable urge. This means you tend towards more aggressiveness in the chosen actions compared to someone that is low in aggressiveness. When conscious of this, you might choose an outlet that favors your desired outcomes. Such as the example, to become a boxer.
Freudian concepts are always interesting to me. I enjoyed learning that sublimation is when unacceptable urges of the unconscious mind are converted them into socially acceptable positive behaviors. When explaining congruence, the example used of "urges of aggression" leading a person to become an athlete in a "contact sport" really helped me understand the concept.
It is interesting to hear that defense mechanisms lead to mental health symptoms when they are used too often. I have read about sublimation in a textbook, however this video brought more clarity to it, and how it is related to the unconscious mind.
Thank you very much for this information. It is recognized a lot that Freudian ideas are not only correct according to nowadays theories. but from what I have run to, they are not usually accompanied by constructive critisism of this kind.
I have never heard of this before and it seems interesting. I can see Freud thinking of something like this, especially with his mindset that stems off of the way people in his time did not talk about certain things, how a lot of things were considered taboo.
Agree
I don't think sublimation and behaviourism are necessarily at odds. Antisocial urges would be socially undesirable (and hence a punishment), whereas if these urges are sublimated, they become socially positive and thus a reward. I think it is a word that essentially describes this process.
I appreciate and enjoy your videos analyzing current events, because I come away from them understanding issues more deeply, and not just with surface facts A, B and C. Still, I wish you'd occasionally do videos about "dry" topics again. Dry isn't a synonym for not interesting.
Alchemy. A high school friend accused me one day in psychology class of being a sublimator. I did not fully understand the term so I thought he was passing some kind of judgement. Now I see that he meant this as a compliment. What I think he intended to say was that I had the facility to direct my energies into very creative undertakings. Back then I had a reputation of being a prolific writer and artist.
I learned a few interesting ideas from watching. Thank you!
Interesting that seemingly aggressive action is essentially channeled through athletics for instance.
If you peel back from adulthood to childhood, especially at first to third grade, you will catch glimpses of sublimation in yourself based on many choices you made in many circumstances. How we also choose roles to fit into families, will also reveal what were pushed away into the unconscious!
So if a person had an urge of aggression could a positive outcome be the person becoming a professional boxer?
it is an example where the point is on the personality trait of aggressiveness, to a point that the outcome is not socially acceptable. You can choose a profession or a direction where that trait is appreciated. Such as a lawyer defending a case. Off course you still would have to look in to the other traits of the big 5.
Sometimes they can know, just by reflecting. There is a way to access, by remembering where the impulse began in childhood for example.
You are too absolute. Case by case, some can tell you and some can't.
I do not know that I agree with the concept of sublimation. What I did not recall was that the original impulse is congruent with the transferred action/behavior or career.
What do you mean?
It is not always possible to read/know when these impulses are at play because they are subconscious. So how does one know if the positive action is actually working on that particular negative impulse?
I liked it, Dr Grande! Thank you.
Thank you for the explanation! I appreciate your coherent critique of popular and current understanding of sublimation.
Great explanation!:)
I’m very interested in how we measure or discover sublimation of a person
There is a test that can be taken. And how the person answers determine the outcomes. Check out the research of George Valliant on defensive mechanism
So this applies to anything someone takes a uses for good? For instance someone dealing with anger can go to the gym and workout?
Anger is an emotion. Not a personality trait. Going to the gym, because of your anger is a coping mechanism. Whereas you might or might attend the underlying issue of the anger.
Yes you are right.
Thanks x
Freud has discovered those mechanisms not invented (imagine how abused he should have been to come up with so many).
There is no conflict between defense mechanisms and learned behavior, in fact, I like to think of behavioral concepts as the underlying assembly code and psychoanalytic symbolic explanations as the high-level programming language, with all the structures that describe the programmer's intentions behind the instructions (loops, references, classes etc), if you pardon the metaphor. It's really hard for me to explain why a heterosexual man would be so interested in taking artistic photos of naked women, if it were only for the beauty of the human silhouette or proportions or skin tones or sexual liberation. And at the same time this very same man isn't very open about his sexual life or desires or kinks... Clearly something got erased and something else put in its place here.
I find “guilt” the impetus of sublimation.
So sublimation is basically substituting unacceptable urges with acceptable urges without having knowledge of it?
No. When talking about urges it is something you might or might want to act upon. This is related to a defensive mechanism, a way to explain behavior from that person perception. The person might not be aware of using this coping style to deal with those impulses. When being high in aggressiveness, this doesn't mean that this is an unacceptable urge. This means you tend towards more aggressiveness in the chosen actions compared to someone that is low in aggressiveness. When conscious of this, you might choose an outlet that favors your desired outcomes. Such as the example, to become a boxer.
Lmfao channel heartbreaks to workouts , you’ll forget about it in no time instead of sulking in your sadness and feeling worthless.