My dad was a printer, I was in DTP from the 80's and animation from the 90's. To me they all looked hugely different. Wow, NOW I discover my super power!
MuseScore is turning into the Blender of music notation. Not taken seriously at first, yet slowly becoming the dominating application, despite being free.
@@ur.kr.2814 DaVinci Resolve is great and all, but it's not open source. They're a great and generous company, but there's no guarantee that the software won't one day get locked away unlike* Score. Blender can do some video editing for what it's worth. *edited to 'unlike' as 'like' was wrong.
As somebody who has regularly half-assed engraving in Sibelius for big band charts to give to players to sight-read, this whole video gave me lots of anxiety. Great job!
Dear Werner, I considered our recent design issues with the Parts dialog, and I feel I have a solution… it's a button titled… 𝔑𝔢𝔴 𝔄𝔩𝔩. I feel this is far superior to any visible options that might populate our right panel. Its value is in its simplicity - combining, as it does, the essence of user desire… both the New and the All!!!
Dear Nicolas, I'm *_delighted_* by this suggestion and I propose we make it into our company mantra *ℕ𝕖𝕨 𝔸𝕝𝕝* I feel it speaks to our newness, to say nothing of our all-ness! ...and I'd like to celebrate by getting some *New All* stationary and let's get some *New All* T-shirts printed too... ...so i can shove a *New All* SPIKE STRAIGHT THROUGH MY FACE!
If I had it my way I'd fancy a New All button be hidden somewhere in MuseScore. It would do nothing. Perhaps it would allow you to press it only for it to dissappear or worse, stay pressed! Forever mocking you for your curiosity and making you hope you didn't break anything since whatever you did, it can't be undone. …Is this too much? Am I being too evil? Perhaps it's a good thing I'm not in charge of anything important.
@@nodezsh W- What do you mean ‘New All?’ What sort of copywriting is that? It feels like the person responsible was in the middle of trying to get the phrasing right, and then just had a stroke!
“You might think this looks ok, but, no. It’s actually a malformed atrocity.” Typography Dysmorphia Disorder is real- seek help, Tantacrul. We love you!
As a programmer, who is mostly divorced from the Design aspect, this is Gold. I cannot thank you enough for this one-of-a-kind insight into artistic minutia, as this helps me think about my interface design a lot more. Stuff like this is really hard to come by. Also it is endlessly funny to me, how you went from shitposting software critique with comical amounts of blood and gore, to being involved with design, to straight up being a project lead. I love the 21st century. I was a musician and composer in my past life and now work in software. Seeing how you manage both is a true inspiration.
Tantacrul used to work for Microsoft and probably some other companies too. He isn't just some random guy who started complaining about software on youtube.
Tanta: Shows symbol Me: oh, yea that looks pretty good Tanta: and this is a horrible atrocity Me: oh yea youre right that sucks Tanta: heres the 2nd version i made Me: ok now thats perfect Tanta: and that was also a horrible mistake Me: 😐
@@nutronstar45 the interval between two notes with a frequency ratio of 4:5 (like 400 hertz and 500 hertz for example), it's about 3.86 semitones or 386 cents (a cent is 1% of a semitone)
Just spotted what the music in Simon's SCORE demonstration actually is: the top line is from Shostakovich's 9th symphony, while the the bottom line includes Tantatheme, a couple of DSCHs and an enharmonically-spelled licc. :)
@@Lamadesbois In chemistry lab; did all the equations and structures with chemfig; even for biochemistry. Put intermediate pages with quotes in yfont gothic in between chapters of my thesis. Set up a talk on differential interaction cross sections with coloured trajectory bundles because it made the steel ball target look like it was wearing a rainbow wig. Made a 32 by 18cm fanart gif in tikZ because i was too lazy to get into photoshop. That's roughly my level of TeX. Prior to that i had spend two years writing music in ascii fo a selfmade chiptune emulator, so i was already used to the wysiwym. I'm still a bit mad that i couldn't get lilypond syntax running with XeTeX.
I’m going to call all treble clefs ‘Damien’ from now on. David’s right - the musical world is very lucky to have your astonishing attention to detail! Also, I finally understand why Boosey scores looks so good.
Unflattering charicatures, tales of abandonware, font design? This video has something for everyone 😂 Brilliant work as usual mate. Since your aspirations are so humble, I'd still love to see variable font technology used in a future release to enable a master slider to control the thickness of thin and thick strokes throughout in real time! 😉 But I guess the "Helvetica of notation" is a modest goal to start. Well done!
this era must have done something right to produce a dude who - has intense attention to detail and visual artistic skill - crosses over with music and software design - has an interest in making RUclips videos - and has a charming tone to deliver it all in
I was extraordinarily fortunate to be able to hang with Leland Smith at a couple of NAMM and Musik Messe shows back in the mid-'90s when I worked for Midiman (Leland was a friend of Midiman founder, Tim Ryan). We talked AI and music, and made bad jokes. I still have his card from the Stanford AI Lab, carefully preserved.
My God, that's a lot of moving parts in a sheet music font! Am looking forward to the new MuseScore version. I switched to MuseScore last year after more than a decade of cursing (and occasionally using) Sib. It's a great pleasure to say that cursing and using in MuseScore are about even in occurrence which is a big improvement!
As a casual yet extremely frequent user of MuseScore let me just say thank you for all the majestic work you do for this app. I don’t know anyone in my life who uses the app (let alone the way i do) and finding people talking about it on the internet always excites there hell out of me !
Way back when I was at Music College, we had calligraphy lessons. I'm talking way before computers. We had to buy a massive arsenal of stationary which cost a fortune (I still have it all as keepsakes), but more than that we were taught the inherent myriad subtelties . To this day I can knock up a very decent lead sheet quickly by hand. This is a fascinating vid and project, thank you very much for all your efforts, you've made a difference. Cheers.
That "type command, send off, see result"-design strikes me as extremely clever. Add some modern real-time rendering of the input command and you are good to go in my books.
@James Ross Latex is love, Latex is life, I agree. Add something like Overleaf for online, seamless package management and real time rendering in an easy to use platform agnostic way, and it's the goat.
People that develop open source software have a special place in my heart. Even more so when the software being developed is so well crafted. I cannot thank you enough nor even say the legacy people like both of you leave on the digital world. I hope I can contribute too with any open source software, not matter how small it might be.
19:09 "NEW ALL" in the captions. I appreciate these little easter eggs that you put in knowing that only 1 or 2 people will find it to have a good chuckle over.
So when you say “that’s coming next year” near the end, does that mean 2022 or 2021? I know you’ve likely been working on this video since last year, but given your upload schedule I’m 50/50 on it.
@@worlds1qwopfan93 Wow. One of my oldest viewers! Can't forget that username! Anyway, it's not coming out in 2022. It'll come out 2021. A video delay oversight!
I would really really like to see a 5-10 minute screen capture of Simon laying out a complex sheet in score! Please ask him, that would be so cool. Also, your videos are really entertaining an educational, thanks!
Incredible. Great to see the pix and descriptions of Leland Smith. He and I co-resided at the Stanford AI Lab in the late 60's and early 70's. I recall many conversations where he showed off his notation software, including the fonts. At the time he was printing to a pen plotter, and later to a crude laser printer. Later, I learned he was also an accomplished Contrabass bassoonist. One of my favorite people ever. Indeed, he never claimed his system had the best user interface. He was interested in providing the ability to get an output as beautiful and authentic as possible. I believe it about experts, though. At the same time, I was researching some of the underpinnings that informed the creation of the modern user interface, but I guess I didn't share it with Leland. 🙂 Unbelievably, later my colleagues and I tried out some of our new UI ideas in work that we did for Ginn and Co. Odds?
As an outsider (RF engineer) entering the music theme, , I love your approach. Thank you for respecting privacy. Please, never change your approach; you are on your 'A' game.
This is why I love open source software, by the people, for the people. Software created and assisted by the people who use it, as opposed to large corporations, who rarely listen to their actual users.
I can read music notation about as well as a 4 year old can read War and Peace, but I love these insights into the design process. I'm a media content producer, and your videos have many useful takeaways that I can apply to my own work. And where there is no crossover I just enjoy your video style and humour.
Hey everyone! If you liked this video and want to see more like it, I'd be very grateful if you'd consider becoming a Patron. www.patreon.com/Tantacrul. These videos take an enormous amount of time to create and my patrons are the reason I can do it at all! (Both my Eurovision videos which were taken down 2 years ago are Patreon perks by the way) Discord: t.co/a3oYi1Rbnc?amp=1 Meet Simon: oktophonie.net ruclips.net/user/ingemisco
I accidentally clicked on this video, and sat through the whole thing. It’s ironic because I’m a composer and recently I just got into scribing and what it takes to make a professional looking score! This was very interesting, and I learned a lot! Thank you!
@@Testgeraeusch I wonder, Lilypond got smufl support a year or two ago, right? So you can write music in ascii and still use proper engaving and Tantacrul's font.
As an amateur musician and amateur typesetter, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the attention and effort you've give this project, as well as for this video covering it!
Mr. Martin Keary, I really, wholeheartedly, think that you are a treasure for the RUclips musician community. Your videos are on one hand incredibly well and thoughtfully researched, inpeccably produced and edited (I wish I had some kind of resemblance of your After Effects skills), and on the other hand absolutely bonkers and unhinged in a really scary way. That's THEE mixture that I like. I really hope you do read this comment, because you really are an inspiration and, I think, a great dude. Keep up the work, there are a lot of people who really appreciate you and your work. Have a good one!
As someone with slightly poor hearing it's always nice to hear well articulated speech in a video. The visuals were top quality too. Musescore team is lucky to have you in their ranks.👍
I think the most fun part of the videos is to look at the music on screen and figure out which piece is being played. It just dawned on me what the score at 7:30 is because I've just started working on the piece.
Dear Tantacrul, thank you for the effort you put into packaging your videos. The long black gaps between segments gives the same experience as reading a well-constructed academic paper, consisting of chapters that are related but distinct. Also, such as at 16:13, dropping in along with the beat - it's such a neat touch that I greatly appreciate. Also, literally everything else.
Hi. I have been a surveyor for over 20 years. In that time I have seen the transition from paper to digital and the need to digitise various products. That video was beautiful to watch and much kudos to Simon for his work. Thank you very much and - on a professional level - well done.
After trying out Finale and Sibelius, surprisingly, for the most part, I actually still prefer Musescore. It's easy to use, and great for easy sketches. However, part formatting can be a chore sometimes and I do a lot of extra work getting the parts to be picture esque and looking readable
@@jeffhrsn I'll certainly give it a try. For simplified big band sketches, I like to actually go the old school method and play the piano and write the parts down on a grand staff.
@@Snavels good. We shouldn’t be bastardizing notation and putting composers out of work. Old school is of the highest form of art and among the most ethical
This was such an awesome presentation! Funny and wickedly informative. I especially appreciated the meticulous attention to font design. Many decades ago, I created the first solid-filled fonts (using B-Splines and based on the URW Hinterberger licensed fonts that I converted and hand-modified for the microcomputer incorporating kerning and hints that were missing from the purchased fonts) for the microcomputer (Windows). The font system was programmed in C and Assembler and was sold as the "ASI Font System". Software Publishing Corporation was the first company to license the font system and incorporated it into Harvard Business Graphics - a Windows PC program. We later used it in our own G-Wiz Graphics, a scientific graphing program sold by my company Analytical Software, Inc. (closed down in 2001). Good memories and an appreciation of this artistry!
I’m here from your video on the update on the Musescore channel, and I’m dying at the fact that even at your most professional, you put a joke on Feldman’s Yeast in there.
Ah, so Leland Smith's opinion on Score was like Johann Schleyer's opinion on Volapük and James Cook Brown's opinion on Loglan: He didn't want anyone touching it. Fittingly enough, it's suffered the same fate as both of those conlangs: It's been abandoned in favor of competitors and offshoots.
Yes, that's most unfortunate, it's still far better than anything else available today in terms of control and output. I still use it for my own music and there are thousands upon thousands of files at work (GS/AMP) that we work on all the time; right now I'm working on a large publication for work in Score.
As a person who's designed a few fonts, and has a basic understanding of notation, I really appreciate this. I've also watched a few more of your videos and started noticing a few typographical ın-ȷokes. Subscription earned!
I am impressed by your dedication, and also your skills and sensitivities in both design and composition. I also like your humour. A true polymath scholar, you are.
last week i watched a 20 minute video on the math behind bezier curves, and now i'm here. i gotta admit sometimes this youtube algorithm is simply fantastic
Like how funny lil drawings being added to Japanese character sets lead to emoji being embraced by Unicode and all sites using it, jankman hidden in this new font could lead to jankmotes becoming standard in all notation software
I've seen this video drift through my recommendations for a couple days before clicking on it, and I'm shocked that this still has so few views! An intersection of music, software history, and graphic design was a crossover I never knew I needed.
This is great, can't wait to see what you'll do with the software! It's somewhat satisfying to see someone burn a bad product; it's immensely satisfying to see it being polished by that same person.
Sigh....... the level of appreciation & gratitude I have next time I'm notating will be off the charts... not sure I'll be able to function :-) maybe just drooling over the beauty on screen knowing how much work & care have been applied... Thanks Tantacrul & MuseScore for all you've done for us!!!!!!!
Imagine not using a text file that describes, in full sentences, which pixel is supposed to have what color to write music Edit: specified "in full sentences"
@@dz4k.com. imagine not manually changing the state of each transistor inside a NAND chip to write binary data that can eventually be decoded as an image that can represent a page of your score
i think why i love your videos so much is because you take something that i love, music, and then discuss an aspect of it that i would’ve never thought about. it’s absolutely fascinating
Same for me. It's super weird that he calls it awkward for Simon to want his privacy. He should've dealt with the problem differently than sort of making fun of him.
@@renyhp I think this might be a tad presumptuous of their relationship and I'm sure Tantacrul wouldn't put out something making gentle fun of a collaborator without knowing it would be ok to do so / without running it past him. It reads more as a joke between friends to me, than some kind of hostile attack, and if it really were the latter I'm sure this font would never have made the light of day!
@@totallycarbon2106 I hope you're right about this being a joke between friends. But even then, it felt like he was specifically making fun of him *because he cares about his privacy*. While they are completely free to make fun of each other, especially if it's a joke, it sort of sends a wrong message, as if caring about one's privacy is something weird. Sure I hope this wasn't his intention, but that's definitely what sounded like to me.
Notation itself, for me, has always been an excellent example of an interface where great usability and user experience doesn't have to be defined by quick adoptability, as is the case with most modern consumable design. A very interesting video. Thanks!
I love how your constructive criticism/review of musescore made you become the product manager for the software. It makes me so happy that you are a part of the team. It's sooooo incredibly noticeable the effect that you created.
Oh hey, I responded to one of your tweets about the treble clef - I'm glad to see that a first version is coming out! Keep it up!
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I used Sibelius as default notation program since 2007 (version 5) until 2018 version. After that, a friend told me that an open source project was available (MuseScore) and with an easier learning curve compared with Lilypond. I took the decision to do the migration (2019), it was very easy to change to the new music notation program due similar GUI and features. Until now, in my opinion this is the best improvement on layout (very impressive) because as Simon, I'm very critical with layout presentation - for me the default font (Plantin MT Std) used by Sibelius - it was a little bit better for printing. Brilliant video as well! The portuguese community is not so large but I'm preparing a dedicate channel with tutorial lessons.
After seeing the incredible amount of work that was required to notate music in older times, I feel so spoiled. Thank you for helping advance this art!
tantacrul: you can see some obvious differences
me: hmm yes
Once I had my eyes surgically replaced with bionic super-eyes, it all became quite obvious.
This was me pretty much the whole video but I still enjoyed it
My dad was a printer, I was in DTP from the 80's and animation from the 90's. To me they all looked hugely different. Wow, NOW I discover my super power!
@@PrinceWesterburg I know what you mean, but if I were being deliberately obtuse, "my dad was a printer" might give me a good giggle.
Kkkkk
MuseScore is turning into the Blender of music notation. Not taken seriously at first, yet slowly becoming the dominating application, despite being free.
Yes
I think DaVinci Resolve is similar for video-editing.
@@ur.kr.2814 But MuseScore and Blender are Open Source
@@ur.kr.2814 DaVinci Resolve is great and all, but it's not open source. They're a great and generous company, but there's no guarantee that the software won't one day get locked away unlike* Score.
Blender can do some video editing for what it's worth.
*edited to 'unlike' as 'like' was wrong.
Yeah, but still my dad tries Sibelius and Dorico. Stop it. Get some help.
Musescore and RUclips and the Internet and the World are lucky to have you.😄
It couldn't have been said better!!!
Can only agree!
David You are the best 😘
yes
Seeing David compliment Tantacrul in the comments is as pleasantly surprising as a Picardy Third
15:06 Putting a tremolo on a 32nd or 64th note should carry legal penalties
It's ok at 30 BPM, I guess!
Maybe request that as a feature in musescore: notify law enforcement and tax authorities if tremolo applied to short duration notes.
something Zappa would demand.
Agreed
and harsh ones at that
I think we need a t-shirt with Simon on it.
Be careful what you wish for.
NEW ALL
Or a Simon with a t-shirt on it.
We will honour Simon
Yes please
As somebody who has regularly half-assed engraving in Sibelius for big band charts to give to players to sight-read, this whole video gave me lots of anxiety.
Great job!
Thanks very much, Adam!
Sibelius crashed.
DEFGECD
The absolutely wasted opertunity in all these lic replies, not one of which is formatted how you would input it in Score, smh.
D E F G E C D
Tanta: I think this looks cool
Simon: No it doesnt
Tanta: What should I change then?
Simon: NEW ALL
Edit: thanks for 1.8k+ likes means a lot!
Dear Werner,
I considered our recent design issues with the Parts dialog, and I feel I have a solution… it's a button titled… 𝔑𝔢𝔴 𝔄𝔩𝔩. I feel this is far superior to any visible options that might populate our right panel.
Its value is in its simplicity - combining, as it does, the essence of user desire… both the New and the All!!!
Dear Nicolas,
I'm *_delighted_* by this suggestion and I propose we make it into our company mantra
*ℕ𝕖𝕨 𝔸𝕝𝕝*
I feel it speaks to our newness, to say nothing of our all-ness!
...and I'd like to celebrate by getting some *New All* stationary and let's get some *New All* T-shirts printed too...
...so i can shove a *New All* SPIKE STRAIGHT THROUGH MY FACE!
yeah when are the new all icons gonna be designed tanta wtf
If I had it my way I'd fancy a New All button be hidden somewhere in MuseScore.
It would do nothing. Perhaps it would allow you to press it only for it to dissappear or worse, stay pressed! Forever mocking you for your curiosity and making you hope you didn't break anything since whatever you did, it can't be undone.
…Is this too much? Am I being too evil? Perhaps it's a good thing I'm not in charge of anything important.
@@nodezsh W- What do you mean ‘New All?’ What sort of copywriting is that? It feels like the person responsible was in the middle of trying to get the phrasing right, and then just had a stroke!
“You might think this looks ok, but, no. It’s actually a malformed atrocity.” Typography Dysmorphia Disorder is real- seek help, Tantacrul. We love you!
As a programmer, who is mostly divorced from the Design aspect, this is Gold.
I cannot thank you enough for this one-of-a-kind insight into artistic minutia, as this helps me think about my interface design a lot more. Stuff like this is really hard to come by.
Also it is endlessly funny to me, how you went from shitposting software critique with comical amounts of blood and gore, to being involved with design, to straight up being a project lead. I love the 21st century.
I was a musician and composer in my past life and now work in software. Seeing how you manage both is a true inspiration.
Tantacrul used to work for Microsoft and probably some other companies too. He isn't just some random guy who started complaining about software on youtube.
@@theonewithoutidentity Fully aware. I meant the progression from critiquing MuseScore from the outside, to leading it from the inside.
@@FrostKiwi It caught me off guard too, when I first learned that. Wasn't expecting at all.
@@FrostKiwi "I challenge you to do better", and he did.
What was your name in your past life?
Designing your own font really is taking 'New All' to a whole new level!
Yet it become easier when you Quit Sibelius
i like ur wug pfp
An all new level
Now there are two of them
WUG
I love the way Leland named his software, "Score" and "Draw" its just so brave.
Tanta: Shows symbol
Me: oh, yea that looks pretty good
Tanta: and this is a horrible atrocity
Me: oh yea youre right that sucks
Tanta: heres the 2nd version i made
Me: ok now thats perfect
Tanta: and that was also a horrible mistake
Me: 😐
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@@beepbeepimasheep237beepbee3 The number of cents in a 5/4 interval (rounded off to the nearest whole number).
@@suomeaboo my brain is melting trying to process that
@@suomeaboo what is a 5/4 interval
@@nutronstar45 the interval between two notes with a frequency ratio of 4:5 (like 400 hertz and 500 hertz for example), it's about 3.86 semitones or 386 cents (a cent is 1% of a semitone)
Just spotted what the music in Simon's SCORE demonstration actually is: the top line is from Shostakovich's 9th symphony, while the the bottom line includes Tantatheme, a couple of DSCHs and an enharmonically-spelled licc. :)
Top marks :)
Tantacrul: this looks okay...
Simon: it's not good
Tantacrul: it's not good
Me: it's not good
Me: wow that looks cool
Simon: it's not cool
Me: wow that treble clef SUCKS who would design something like that
So-called "free thinkers" when Simon says it's not good
@@Brunosky_Inc I mean, but, Simon Said
Simon seems like a character!
Do you mean a fictional character? We have no proof he is real.
@@yetanothermetaname1118 I met him once. He was awful.
@@simondavidsmith are you ｈｉｍ？
@@mxchael_the_edamame Yea, verily
@@simondavidsmith IDK why, but I get the feeling you met him more than once...
Man, as a typomaniac, musician and computer geek ; this…
This struck every sweet spot in my nerdganism.
May i have a chat with you about our great Lord and Saviour, Donald Knuth?
@@Testgeraeusch indeed! What content do you recommend?
@@Lamadesbois In chemistry lab; did all the equations and structures with chemfig; even for biochemistry. Put intermediate pages with quotes in yfont gothic in between chapters of my thesis. Set up a talk on differential interaction cross sections with coloured trajectory bundles because it made the steel ball target look like it was wearing a rainbow wig. Made a 32 by 18cm fanart gif in tikZ because i was too lazy to get into photoshop. That's roughly my level of TeX.
Prior to that i had spend two years writing music in ascii fo a selfmade chiptune emulator, so i was already used to the wysiwym. I'm still a bit mad that i couldn't get lilypond syntax running with XeTeX.
Musescore Vol. 2: Muse Harder
Muuuuuuuuuuse Harder
Mu Harder
_Muh._
*MUH*
2 Muse 2 Score
it's incredible how many things we common mortals take for granted whenever we use a piece of software or anything really.
I’m going to call all treble clefs ‘Damien’ from now on. David’s right - the musical world is very lucky to have your astonishing attention to detail! Also, I finally understand why Boosey scores looks so good.
Thanks very much! Really appreciated. :)
Damien Maymdien.
"An Unfortunate Mixture of Procrastination and Oversight" - there's an indie rock band name in this.
AUMPO
@@musescore
Nope. It'd be either "UMPO" or "UMoPaO".
@@SGresponse or : AnUMi OPAnO
Sounds like a good album name for my life
@blendomatic Sounds like pseudo-Latin. Would make a perfect metal band
Gotta love the transcribing of Shostakovich 9 in Score at 4:00 in a line of code. What a crazy world.
There's more there than just that :)
Its like i accidentally walked into an font production class with no prior knowledge and stayed beacause it entertaining
Your mastery of typography is only rivaled by your video editing skills!
YO AARON! I see you are a tantacrul fanboy aswell
Wow, Score was really ahead of its time! It had a "type slurs" input even before 4chan!
The Technolo/g/y of the 1980s!
Unflattering charicatures, tales of abandonware, font design? This video has something for everyone 😂 Brilliant work as usual mate. Since your aspirations are so humble, I'd still love to see variable font technology used in a future release to enable a master slider to control the thickness of thin and thick strokes throughout in real time! 😉 But I guess the "Helvetica of notation" is a modest goal to start. Well done!
Rewatching this video after becoming acquainted with your work, I was thinking of you. Glad you've already seen it.
this era must have done something right to produce a dude who
- has intense attention to detail and visual artistic skill
- crosses over with music and software design
- has an interest in making RUclips videos
- and has a charming tone to deliver it all in
I was extraordinarily fortunate to be able to hang with Leland Smith at a couple of NAMM and Musik Messe shows back in the mid-'90s when I worked for Midiman (Leland was a friend of Midiman founder, Tim Ryan). We talked AI and music, and made bad jokes. I still have his card from the Stanford AI Lab, carefully preserved.
Now that’s a flex. He didn’t like the current fonts so he just hit us with the classic “fine, I’ll do it myself”
With help from Simon, of course.
My God, that's a lot of moving parts in a sheet music font! Am looking forward to the new MuseScore version.
I switched to MuseScore last year after more than a decade of cursing (and occasionally using) Sib. It's a great pleasure to say that cursing and using in MuseScore are about even in occurrence which is a big improvement!
Have you meanwhile realized that the new released version from today already includes the new fonts, so it's ready for use?
In theory classes, I was always proud that I could draw *perfect* clefs with a pencil. this video shattered all all of this. Thank you, Tantacrul!
babe wake up new tantacrul
The best comment ever 😍
new all
As a casual yet extremely frequent user of MuseScore let me just say thank you for all the majestic work you do for this app. I don’t know anyone in my life who uses the app (let alone the way i do) and finding people talking about it on the internet always excites there hell out of me !
On behalf of all 5 million musescore users: THANK YOU AND EVERYONE ON THE MUSESCORE TEAM!!
Way back when I was at Music College, we had calligraphy lessons. I'm talking way before computers. We had to buy a massive arsenal of stationary which cost a fortune (I still have it all as keepsakes), but more than that we were taught the inherent myriad subtelties . To this day I can knock up a very decent lead sheet quickly by hand. This is a fascinating vid and project, thank you very much for all your efforts, you've made a difference. Cheers.
so score is basically vim for musicians
With its line-based approach it seems more like ed for musicians, honestly.
Not just vim, writing TeX in vim with no autocomplete.
@@WhoWatchesVideos I thought it reminded me of TeX too!
You should have a look at Lilipond if you're interested in writing music in a tex-like way!
@@leleogere I will just because I love TeX
Tantacrul: notices tiny errors in typography that make the entire font look out of whack
Me: hmm yes, the note is made out of note
That "type command, send off, see result"-design strikes me as extremely clever.
Add some modern real-time rendering of the input command and you are good to go in my books.
@James Ross Latex is love, Latex is life, I agree. Add something like Overleaf for online, seamless package management and real time rendering in an easy to use platform agnostic way, and it's the goat.
People that develop open source software have a special place in my heart. Even more so when the software being developed is so well crafted.
I cannot thank you enough nor even say the legacy people like both of you leave on the digital world.
I hope I can contribute too with any open source software, not matter how small it might be.
19:09 "NEW ALL" in the captions. I appreciate these little easter eggs that you put in knowing that only 1 or 2 people will find it to have a good chuckle over.
Looking forward to this! Fair play to Musescore for not only taking your criticism on board, but taking *you* on board to sort it out :)
So when you say “that’s coming next year” near the end, does that mean 2022 or 2021? I know you’ve likely been working on this video since last year, but given your upload schedule I’m 50/50 on it.
Oh darn...
Yes. This video was delayed by a few months.... I meant this year. OH WELL!
@@Tantacrul oh thank God, I was worried I'd have to wait a full year haha
@@Tantacrul It would be tantamount to cruelty to tease an update due for the following year in January!
Also guessing that this video went out on Patreon before new year, so "next year" was probably correct then.
@@worlds1qwopfan93 Wow. One of my oldest viewers!
Can't forget that username! Anyway, it's not coming out in 2022. It'll come out 2021. A video delay oversight!
Let's Play "Simon Says"!
Simon: "It's not nice."
Yes. We've made that joke once or twice ;)
That is to say I have. Incessantly.
@@Tantacrul was this rhyme intentional?
@@JairajSinghPatil Wait, did he edit out the ryhme? I am so confused.
@@UberIsland Simon : "it's not nice"
"Yes. We've made that joke once or twice"
Was the rhyme 😂
@@JairajSinghPatil Haha, I was trying so hard to get twice to rhyme with incessantly but it just would quite work
while Tantacrul might not be the hero we deserve, he's a hero that we all need and love
I would really really like to see a 5-10 minute screen capture of Simon laying out a complex sheet in score! Please ask him, that would be so cool. Also, your videos are really entertaining an educational, thanks!
As a computer scientist and musician I feel a very high affinity towards both you and this video ❤️
Incredible. Great to see the pix and descriptions of Leland Smith. He and I co-resided at the Stanford AI Lab in the late 60's and early 70's. I recall many conversations where he showed off his notation software, including the fonts. At the time he was printing to a pen plotter, and later to a crude laser printer. Later, I learned he was also an accomplished Contrabass bassoonist. One of my favorite people ever. Indeed, he never claimed his system had the best user interface. He was interested in providing the ability to get an output as beautiful and authentic as possible. I believe it about experts, though.
At the same time, I was researching some of the underpinnings that informed the creation of the modern user interface, but I guess I didn't share it with Leland. 🙂
Unbelievably, later my colleagues and I tried out some of our new UI ideas in work that we did for Ginn and Co. Odds?
As an outsider (RF engineer) entering the music theme, , I love your approach. Thank you for respecting privacy.
Please, never change your approach; you are on your 'A' game.
aged like milk
i would watch a cartoon that features your animated dad, jankman, your animated photo of shostakovich and simon.
That's a great idea!
We can call it, "Tantacrul and Friends"
You can’t forget Humpty.
@@LILProductions i think humpty should be a character who they just randomly pan to once an episode like "i wonder what humpty is doing?"
@@projectno5 Still sitting on that wall.
Me after like 15 mins: FONTS ARE SCARY AF.
I now appreciate the font artists, thank you.
This is why I love open source software, by the people, for the people. Software created and assisted by the people who use it, as opposed to large corporations, who rarely listen to their actual users.
I can read music notation about as well as a 4 year old can read War and Peace, but I love these insights into the design process. I'm a media content producer, and your videos have many useful takeaways that I can apply to my own work. And where there is no crossover I just enjoy your video style and humour.
Hey everyone! If you liked this video and want to see more like it, I'd be very grateful if you'd consider becoming a Patron. www.patreon.com/Tantacrul. These videos take an enormous amount of time to create and my patrons are the reason I can do it at all! (Both my Eurovision videos which were taken down 2 years ago are Patreon perks by the way)
Discord: t.co/a3oYi1Rbnc?amp=1
Meet Simon:
oktophonie.net
ruclips.net/user/ingemisco
The amount of time you put in your videos is incredible! just waiting for audacity or finale vid now lol...
This was worth waiting for, but there is just one thing
5*10^6
What program do you use to make all these symbols?
Wow, this video was highly appreciated 🧡
I love your video style and can only guess about the immense amount of work it must take! Highly appreciated
Any chance you could offer a PayPal tip jar as well? I understand if you prefer not to or cannot for whatever reason.
i cannot express how much i love just how the notes, their stems, and their flags look. beautiful work
also, the accidentals !!!!!
Man, I guess the Musescore team LOVED the Sibelius video
We loved the MuseScore video even more ;-)
This is an intersection of so many of my interests
Ok i would love a 5 hour deep dive into the intricacies of the new design
I accidentally clicked on this video, and sat through the whole thing. It’s ironic because I’m a composer and recently I just got into scribing and what it takes to make a professional looking score! This was very interesting, and I learned a lot! Thank you!
Absolute legend for the "too poor for Sibelius" community
My friend and i were so fed up with sibelius we started writing music in ascii instead. Works.
@@Testgeraeusch I wonder, Lilypond got smufl support a year or two ago, right? So you can write music in ascii and still use proper engaving and Tantacrul's font.
@@SianaGearz talkin' 'bout 2010 :/
As an amateur musician and amateur typesetter, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the attention and effort you've give this project, as well as for this video covering it!
Woke up saw new Tantacrul video and literally leaped for joy. I’m not involved in the music industry at all just enjoy these videos
Mr. Martin Keary, I really, wholeheartedly, think that you are a treasure for the RUclips musician community. Your videos are on one hand incredibly well and thoughtfully researched, inpeccably produced and edited (I wish I had some kind of resemblance of your After Effects skills), and on the other hand absolutely bonkers and unhinged in a really scary way. That's THEE mixture that I like. I really hope you do read this comment, because you really are an inspiration and, I think, a great dude. Keep up the work, there are a lot of people who really appreciate you and your work. Have a good one!
As someone with slightly poor hearing it's always nice to hear well articulated speech in a video. The visuals were top quality too. Musescore team is lucky to have you in their ranks.👍
Thanks for being part of the MuseScore project.
I think the most fun part of the videos is to look at the music on screen and figure out which piece is being played. It just dawned on me what the score at 7:30 is because I've just started working on the piece.
"Why would I want to see this video?" I asked myself... until I started watching this fascinating and informative story! Many thanks!
Dear Tantacrul, thank you for the effort you put into packaging your videos. The long black gaps between segments gives the same experience as reading a well-constructed academic paper, consisting of chapters that are related but distinct. Also, such as at 16:13, dropping in along with the beat - it's such a neat touch that I greatly appreciate. Also, literally everything else.
Musescore and RUclips and the Internet and the World are lucky to have you.😄 !! We are lucky !!
Oooh, Sibelius is in treble now.
That hit my funny bone off guard.
PUN
Hi. I have been a surveyor for over 20 years. In that time I have seen the transition from paper to digital and the need to digitise various products. That video was beautiful to watch and much kudos to Simon for his work. Thank you very much and - on a professional level - well done.
After trying out Finale and Sibelius, surprisingly, for the most part, I actually still prefer Musescore. It's easy to use, and great for easy sketches. However, part formatting can be a chore sometimes and I do a lot of extra work getting the parts to be picture esque and looking readable
@@jeffhrsn I'll certainly give it a try. For simplified big band sketches, I like to actually go the old school method and play the piano and write the parts down on a grand staff.
@@Snavels good. We shouldn’t be bastardizing notation and putting composers out of work. Old school is of the highest form of art and among the most ethical
Just started my younger son on Musescore. That's how we found you! So happy to see musescore takes constructive criticism positively and reaches out!
There is almost certainly some in-joke with Simon that we are all missing here.
This was such an awesome presentation! Funny and wickedly informative. I especially appreciated the meticulous attention to font design. Many decades ago, I created the first solid-filled fonts (using B-Splines and based on the URW Hinterberger licensed fonts that I converted and hand-modified for the microcomputer incorporating kerning and hints that were missing from the purchased fonts) for the microcomputer (Windows). The font system was programmed in C and Assembler and was sold as the "ASI Font System". Software Publishing Corporation was the first company to license the font system and incorporated it into Harvard Business Graphics - a Windows PC program. We later used it in our own G-Wiz Graphics, a scientific graphing program sold by my company Analytical Software, Inc. (closed down in 2001). Good memories and an appreciation of this artistry!
I’m here from your video on the update on the Musescore channel, and I’m dying at the fact that even at your most professional, you put a joke on Feldman’s Yeast in there.
I bet he couldn’t help it 😂
As a design grad student specializing in type design, who also loves music, thank you for being a great intersection of the 2 aspects of my life.
Ah, so Leland Smith's opinion on Score was like Johann Schleyer's opinion on Volapük and James Cook Brown's opinion on Loglan: He didn't want anyone touching it. Fittingly enough, it's suffered the same fate as both of those conlangs: It's been abandoned in favor of competitors and offshoots.
Yes, that's most unfortunate, it's still far better than anything else available today in terms of control and output. I still use it for my own music and there are thousands upon thousands of files at work (GS/AMP) that we work on all the time; right now I'm working on a large publication for work in Score.
@@df09ify I wish you luck on your work.
I actually just watched videos about both Volapük and Loglan today, and then I come across this comment. Funny how that happens.
@@2xsaiko I wouldn't be surprised if jan Misali did a video on this at some point. That lad has surprisingly broad interests.
Why I’m an Esperanto speaker and a Musescore user
As a person who's designed a few fonts, and has a basic understanding of notation, I really appreciate this. I've also watched a few more of your videos and started noticing a few typographical ın-ȷokes. Subscription earned!
I am impressed by your dedication, and also your skills and sensitivities in both design and composition. I also like your humour. A true polymath scholar, you are.
last week i watched a 20 minute video on the math behind bezier curves, and now i'm here. i gotta admit sometimes this youtube algorithm is simply fantastic
Can't wait to find jankman included as an easter egg within the font!
Like how funny lil drawings being added to Japanese character sets lead to emoji being embraced by Unicode and all sites using it, jankman hidden in this new font could lead to jankmotes becoming standard in all notation software
I've seen this video drift through my recommendations for a couple days before clicking on it, and I'm shocked that this still has so few views! An intersection of music, software history, and graphic design was a crossover I never knew I needed.
Everytime Tantacrul posts a new video, it feels like Christmas.
Sharp and natural were always bothersome to distinguish. Finally someone took care of it!
Hats off for creating a whole new font and thank you!
10:15 "you might think this looks good" actually my first thought was "you've completely missed Helvetica and landed on comic sans"
Yep that was my reaction. I have no knowledge of typography but my instinct said "that looks kinda bad"
comic sans gang
comic sans gang
This is great, can't wait to see what you'll do with the software! It's somewhat satisfying to see someone burn a bad product; it's immensely satisfying to see it being polished by that same person.
Sigh....... the level of appreciation & gratitude I have next time I'm notating will be off the charts... not sure I'll be able to function :-) maybe just drooling over the beauty on screen knowing how much work & care have been applied... Thanks Tantacrul & MuseScore for all you've done for us!!!!!!!
I love the way open source things evolve.
imagine not just using ms paint to write music with. damn amateurs.
Imagine not using a text file that describes, in full sentences, which pixel is supposed to have what color to write music
Edit: specified "in full sentences"
@@pseudotaco that is exactly what a bitmap is
edit: he changed the comment to add "in full sentences" so this comment is now invalid
@@pseudotaco imagine not using a hex editor to manually create a jpeg of each page of your score
@@dz4k.com. imagine not manually changing the state of each transistor inside a NAND chip to write binary data that can eventually be decoded as an image that can represent a page of your score
Imagine not telling your friend where each pixel is to draw on a chalkboard which then a person takes a picture of and prints out. Amateurs.
i think why i love your videos so much is because you take something that i love, music, and then discuss an aspect of it that i would’ve never thought about. it’s absolutely fascinating
One dislike. Maybe, Simon didn't like how he's represented in this video at all. 🤔
"it's not nice"
Same for me. It's super weird that he calls it awkward for Simon to want his privacy. He should've dealt with the problem differently than sort of making fun of him.
Better wording: "Maybe Simon didn't like how he was represented in this video after all."
@@renyhp I think this might be a tad presumptuous of their relationship and I'm sure Tantacrul wouldn't put out something making gentle fun of a collaborator without knowing it would be ok to do so / without running it past him.
It reads more as a joke between friends to me, than some kind of hostile attack, and if it really were the latter I'm sure this font would never have made the light of day!
@@totallycarbon2106 I hope you're right about this being a joke between friends. But even then, it felt like he was specifically making fun of him *because he cares about his privacy*. While they are completely free to make fun of each other, especially if it's a joke, it sort of sends a wrong message, as if caring about one's privacy is something weird. Sure I hope this wasn't his intention, but that's definitely what sounded like to me.
I know first hand how much work goes into making a font. It's way harder than it looks. I applaud you for doing it.
I see that you used Shosty 9th symphony when showing how SCORE works. Very cheeky!
Notation itself, for me, has always been an excellent example of an interface where great usability and user experience doesn't have to be defined by quick adoptability, as is the case with most modern consumable design.
A very interesting video. Thanks!
"which you continue for 64th and 128th notes...for those people who are into that"
looking at you, scojo
I love how your constructive criticism/review of musescore made you become the product manager for the software. It makes me so happy that you are a part of the team. It's sooooo incredibly noticeable the effect that you created.
Oh hey, I responded to one of your tweets about the treble clef - I'm glad to see that a first version is coming out! Keep it up!
I used Sibelius as default notation program since 2007 (version 5) until 2018 version. After that, a friend told me that an open source project was available (MuseScore) and with an easier learning curve compared with Lilypond. I took the decision to do the migration (2019), it was very easy to change to the new music notation program due similar GUI and features.
Until now, in my opinion this is the best improvement on layout (very impressive) because as Simon, I'm very critical with layout presentation - for me the default font (Plantin MT Std) used by Sibelius - it was a little bit better for printing.
Brilliant video as well!
The portuguese community is not so large but I'm preparing a dedicate channel with tutorial lessons.
that font literally makes my brain feel at ease after looking at so much nauseatingly thin, unbalanced notation in my schooling days lol
musescore was a really important programm for my high school times... thank you :)
It really looks like this project is eventually going to make history.
After seeing the incredible amount of work that was required to notate music in older times, I feel so spoiled. Thank you for helping advance this art!