Rare to hear people talk honestly about the issues within the democratic party on TV. Props to Stewart and the show for allowing a real conversation about politics.
Well yeah they don't allow it on TV because it's all owned by big corporate conglomerates who rely on these disgusting boomercrat oligarch neoliberal cravens as their faithful pets and controlled-opposition. Because even when they are supposedly "in power"... they ALWAYS seem to be the opposition...
@@anobody3803 the left has no markers or barriers for when it goes too far to the left. The lack of accountability, honest self reflection and introspection by the media and the extremist lefts in the Democratic party is mind blowing. All i see and hear is “how could anyone vote for that man?” while they point fingers at DJT voters calling them all the “-ists” and doubling down on their insanity. MSM is in a death spiral. Center left liberals in media/social media/podcasts, like Stewart, need to reel in the nut jobs of their party (and there are a LOT of em) or it will happen again in 4years.
Universal programs like paid family leave, school lunch programs, and medicare for all help disadvantaged people more, but are popular because they help everyone.
True, which makes it strange that some vague economic policy of universal tariffs and extending non targeted tax decreasing deficit spending won over it. Both of which are inflationary. Also, let’s deport millions when unemployment is already rock bottom.
Probably because people mobilized by fear and anger would rather see others be more scared and hurt than themselves, instead of taking the chance on a rising tide that raises everyone. Since they feel they feel like they’ve been fooled by hope before, they’d rather go down swinging and hurting others as well as themselves rather than risk improving others lives and getting fooled again.
Jon got a little excited a few times, but that's what he does lol. We need to see more of these kinds of conversations though, too bad you can only get them on comedy central
This is what journalism looks like only after a big loss. Journalism failed to cover this topic that some of us have been discussing since Bill Clinton's second term.
Republicans never have these conversations and the American public continued to reward them with power. Democrats need to play the game how the GOP plays it.
Wow this was refreshing and interesting... It should be pointed out that Ruy was courageous to continue to try to get his point out, risking being seen as non compliant by Jon and the audience! Jon, love your work, but let the man speak!
I felt that also. These are dangerous times to speak our minds. I think the people are starting to become aware of some of the setbacks of political correctness... Hopefully we can learn from our past mistakes and self correct
I think that Jon coming to the table without an actual understanding of the definition of formal DEI initiatives and the implications they impose, both positive and negative, is a problem. To further insist on his rightness, without that basic understanding, made the problem worse. Had he listened to the man, he would have learned something important.
Yes, definitely, well said. I think Jon recognized` he was too much when he said near the end that he was too argumentative and contrarian. It all worked out in the end, I think.
I think what Ruy is saying is there’s a way for Democrats to do these federal programs that help disenfranchised people without making race a criteria, and which can theoretically help working-class white people while at the same time helping black & Latino communities the most. What Jon is calling out is how people of color have explicitly been harmed by this country’s systems and how the federal government has an obligation to directly aid these communities regardless of whether it is seen as “socialism” by the right.
The man is a racist and a liar and I hated that little grin he had on his face when Jon was holding his feet to the fire. The democratic party has shifted RIGHT on social policy since 2020, and he is describing a democratic party that existed in 2020 that no longer exists in 2024. BLM and all that woke stuff is DEAD. DEI???? Notice how he could not define it. I get tired of these GRIFTERS. The answer to the democratic party's woes is leftwing populism, which means DECOMMODIFICATION OF CERTAIN SERVICES like healthcare and housing. Housing and healthcare as a HUMAN RIGHT. That is where the democratic party needs to be headed.
The guest is just wrong. Just like the democrats will never be able to move right enough to not be labeled radical leftist if they try and address a single issue, they will be labeled whatever the current version of the DEI attack is. Stop playing defense when your opponent is cheating.
Ruy is wrong in this matter. It's true that most DEI recipients roll their eyes at it but we need to recognize racial inequality. Otherwise we risk having racial minorities who have faced discrimination, like Black and Indigenous people, unable to secure benefits proportional to their given situations. We also enable more bigotry to these people since the majority may see them as "lazy" given their struggles and if there is no official recognition of where these struggles came from. In Ruy's world, the U.S. government would not protect black people on buses from being abused by white people when they sat on "whites-only" seats during the Freedom Riots, because they would "not see race." Likewise, hospitals would put women having miscarriages/ectopic pregnancies in more danger by dismissing them as "hysterical" as they have done. Democracy works when you firstly recognize and protect individual rights, and then listen to the majority but without compromising on those individual rights. If you don't respect each individual's situation and worth, they end up being excluded from the democracy.
@abctalkies6981 Another consideration is are people deciding their votes on this issue? To use trans people as a example its very easy to frame it in a way that is extremely unpopular. Nobody wants men playing in woman's sports. Republicans have run on this for many years now and it has been pretty unsuccessful. It's clear people care more about things like the economy. So the question is do we actually have any values and are we really going to throw these people under the bus for no real benefit.
American living in Sweden here. How do you get Americans to feel like their taxes impact their daily lives? Give them things that do. Here you get 25 guaranteed vacation days a year, free healthcare, both parents get to take off 8 months to raise their kid at 77% of their salary. Here I feel my taxes give me something in my daily life.
In Sweden the middle class pays higher taxes than in the US. Also they have a lower corporate tax rate. Basically the people using the government services pay for them and the people who don't, don't. In the US a majority of taxes are paid by the ultra weather and business.
I live in Germany and don’t know if you have actually used those health services in Sweden or just assume they’re ok. In Germany it’s a sh*tshow. I have been to 26 doctors but they’re all disinterested, badly educated, won’t do any available tests. I have paid out of pocket and eventually got one diagnosis but they won’t do tests for frequently related diseases. Thinking of seeking treatment abroad now. I hate how much I spent in taxes and insurance when the systems are completely broken.
@@landywilsonWould love for you to go into any middle class neighborhood in America and knock on doors and tell them they should pay more in taxes and that the upper class pays too much.
You don't have a $1trillion military budget and you're not sending outrageous amounts of money as aid to other countries. You also don't have a thoroughly corrupt political system that is actually run by the people who pay the highest bribes (campaign money and promises of lucrative jobs after politicians leave politics).
The Republicans genuinely don't care. Their corporate donors are happy workers are living paycheck to paycheck, because it keeps them dependent on their jobs. They voted against their own interests based on blaming the immigrants, for a partly that blocked them getting a higher minimum wage, and will continue to do so. And when they become angry about that, Republicans will convince them to blame Another minority group. Congratulations.
Race and class are not the same, The poor Black person has more in common with the poor White person than the college educated suburban or gentrified neighborhood living person of color, Who still acts as if they are as marginalized as the poor person of the same Race. Most ppl still believe in merit or atleast think they do so when they hear DEI they think unqualified ppl put in a position it also makes POC feel as if they are being treated like lesser than and cant do it for themselves.
But it's a lie, nepotism is the real problem where the bosses friends and family members get positions over more qualified candidates. I find it hilarious that these people who complain about DEI don't question Trump stacking his cabinet with his...friends and family members
I would challenge the idea that DEI results in unqualified people holding a position. The implication of this claim is that POC are not qualified, and that this explains why they are not proportionally represented in institutions. DEI is actually a way of broadening the pool of qualified applicants, and of redressing historical bias against qualified POC.
@@ianfryer DEI is the opposite. Its literally institutionalized racism. It narrows the pool of qualified applicants, based on their race. If there are so many qualified people out there, then any business that taps into that market of people will have a massive competitive advantage. This is an even dumber version of 'women make 70% of men for the same work' or whatever - it crumples to even mild scrutiny. 'POC', which is 'colored people' for modern racists-that-want-to-pretend-they-arent, can apply freely under existing anti-discrimination laws. It is *DEI proponents* that seek to *abolish* those anti-discimination laws of the Civil Rights Movement, because they want to re-instate discrimination. The result is obvious: You alienate the people you are racist towards - duh - plus you alienate a lot of people you are trying to favor, because even a qualified black person in a DEI-hiring position will be thought of as being there due to his race rather than his qualifications - why would he want that? Why would he vote for a party that makes a mockery of him?
Centrist in politics has never referred to the position supported by the majority of the population - that's populist. FDR was a populist, but he was definitely *not* a centrist.
Texeira's entire calculus relies on a world where the 10 million voters who stayed home since 2024 weren't mostly women of color and half aged 18-29. In his alternate universe voter pool where all the Dem voters became Republicans instead of just not voting, he might have been onto something.
This interview pronounced some of the issues I take with Jon. His passion for his perspective often overshadows genuine listening, although I think he landed ok here. This guy handled him about as well as anyone I’ve seen. Patient and unprovoked, while remaining lighthearted.
Came looking for exactly this. Reminded me of his Gen-Z interview. I think if he feels the issue too strongly and needs to vent about it, he isn't able to participate in the interview the way he usually does
Except the guy was clearly changing the argument. Centrist as a term is never used in a statistical sense. It is a political positional term, and he knows that
@@k_hack9441 semantics are a low level tactic in debates. His point that most people were on board for it was clear from the jump. He accepted he used the word wrong and moved on. Are there other examples of him debating in bad faith?
That is FOR SURE. I've worked in black and brown urban schools where the kids got all kinds of benefits I never got. We were lower middle-class, but I bet my parents could have sure used some help.
Kudos to Jon for realizing that he has had a blind spot on this. He has been one of the big defenders of the DEI approach. Ruy is saying what Berni Sanders has been saying for awhile - Dems should promote programs the will lift up all Americans in need and that will lift up people who are in need because of racism. It is less divisive than the DEI approach. Berni and Ruy are right.
I don't know what is so hard to understand about this for Jon. People want policies to help the working class. They don't want post-materialist definitions of class to dominate the conversation.
@@KeystoneHeavy58 Most people don't talk in the manor of your comment. They want easy to understand sound bites and the democratic policy is not easily conveyed in a sound bite. Let alone the fact that the media is hostile in it's for profit model of business (thanks to it's main clientele wanting to divide the common person to make running the nation easier). The problem for John is he give the average person too much credit and does not easily accept that the average person really does not care enough to be as engaged on any given topic as john is. Thus the problem of optics remains, yet the problem remains that when a government program is universal without clear protections for the few who slip though the gaps this allows the universal system to then be managed in a way that gatekeeps any assistance to preference those that are deemed the most applicable to get support. And to combat this is to confront human nature itself, thus the far-right have the easier task of promoting to the general population the "virtues of selfishness" and so far this is successful because everyone gets a chance to chance the dream while blaming others when things go bad.
It is confusing for Jon to take that stance, because he understood better class struggle on his (great) podcast 5 days ago: ruclips.net/video/UC-VkbEpac4/видео.html It seems that Democrats do NOT want to cater to working class because they are captured by elites (they got almost 2 billion this election cycle). The rumor has it that Biden was finally pushed out because Bernie and AOC had his ear and was willing to implement populist policies.
I work for an organization and we manage Medicaid. Our programs aren’t focused on a specific race or ethnic groups, but the most disadvantaged as a whole.
this guy is a scumbag maher wannabe, he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. he's never spoken to americans outside of his upper class bubble.
So are one of the far too many organizations that steal taxpayers money with MEDICARE FRAUD AND THE REAL REASON IT COSTS SO MUCH TO TAXPAYERS?! #RealizeTheTruth 😮
@@nwhite3080 Medicaid is not why healthcare is expensive 😅😅😅 Medicaid and Medicare are cheaper and more cost effective than private insurance due to sheer scale. You think Walmart wants to stop accepting the government plan? Of course not, those people picking up meds, will end up spending in store. You literally don't know what you're talking about. Exasperated medical conditions resulting in Emergency room visits for what should've been taken care by preventative care is what drives healthcare costs. Unfortunately, private healthcare is expensive due to premiums, copays, co Insurance etc.
Incredible discussion. Kudos to both of them for their courage to discuss their differing, liberal, views knowing that it would probably be used by some conservatives as ammunition aimed at the divide in the democratic party. I wish more people on the right and left could have conversations like this because the division and tribalism in our country, across party lines, is a far greater embarrassment and detriment.
Ruy nailed it about DEI. People are mostly fine with programs that help the poor. People *hate* programs that single out classes of people based on race. The Democrats need to process that information before the midterms.
Republicans don’t have honest, in-depth debates about issues. Just slogans and fear mongering words like socialism. It’s been the MO of that party for the last 30 years. There used to be more intellectual discussion among Democrats but not anymore. The speed of the Information age has destroyed in-depth critical thinking. Requires too much effort and takes too long.
The problem is most people in this country actually don't know what THEY believe. They just regurgitate what is on the television. Have you actually had conversations with people? They have literally no idea what is going on most of the time. Its a country full of even less educated Joe Rogan's.
For the first time, I am sadly seeing Jon Stewart in an ignorant light. Trying to deflect with the comedy card when his guest is giving honest, serious answers is very poor look. I honestly thought he was better than that.
Wow this is exactly my sentiment. I've stopped the video several times to converse with my bride about being mystified as to how he is not getting this very simple distinction. I very much enjoy watching him and he is often a breath of fresh air, but oy vey this was cringe to see him not connecting the very clear dots.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! 100% misunderstanding here. *It's a comedy show* -- his literal job is to make people laugh, especially when it gets uncomfortable. It defuses the tension and keeps things light-hearted. If you want 60 Minutes, go watch it but the whole point of the show is to explore serious issues with a sense of humor.
Wake up call for the uninformed. Dems told you about trickle-down Reaganomics bs. Dems told you about corporate price gauging during the pandemic. Dems told you about the harm of stock buybacks. But Jeb in Iowa is ranting about a tax on those making 100+ mil…
"...and fluck those who it does" Anybody with half a brain knows DEI means "n-words", no matter how qualified. If you want to see ACTUAL DEI in action, watch the formation of the Trump administration. So far, not a single qualified nominee... 😂
As someone who works in the space of DEI- I believe that most people don’t actually know what it is. It’s been twisted/marketed as something to put Black people at an advantage…but it’s far more encompassing & people will allow hatred/ignorance to fuel their belief in misinformation
@@Feefs18 I get that DEI is very useful to dampen the disadvantages that certain minorities are born with. But there is an argument to be made that universal non-targeted alternatives achieve pretty much the same result without the baggage of any misinformation about it.
Having been through a few mandated DEI lectures at work over the last decade, I can tell you exactly what is. It's the idea that you should judge an individual through their immutable characteristics first, as opposed to their character. It's the Dr King doctrine, reversed.
Jon Stewart whispering an admission to a guest that he doesn’t like how argumentative he is and acknowledging that he can be a little contrarian and even sanctimonious at times is, like, refreshingly self-aware.
I actually think it’s not unreasonable to consider the New Deal centrist. During this time the United States was in the midst of the great depression, people were not happy. Meanwhile, domestically there were left-wing populist politicians like Huey Long really disrupting the status quo and riling people up and amassing lots of power. There was a lot of anxiety among political and economic elites that people like Huey Long could seriously threaten their wealth or that even worse the United States just might go the way of the Soviet Union. In many respects, the New Deal was considered a compromise on the more radical ideas floating around at the time, which lent it some measure of support from institutional power that was crucial for its political feasibility.
What Jon is missing about FDR being centrist is how the "Overton Window" has changed over time. In 1932, millions of Americans voted for literal Communists and Anarchists, so in comparison, the New Deal was centrist. Reagan would never have won in 1932; even in 1964, Barry Goldwater, whose views were very similar to Reagan, was crushed. But the Overton Window shifted rightward so that by 1980, any Communist or Anarchist would have been run out of the country, Reagan's views were mainstream, and the New Deal began to look radical.
Ruy was trying to point out that the bulk of people agree with the spirit of DEI, just not the policy of it. Jon was too busy talking over him to actually hear anything he was saying.
He understands just fine. But efforts to help "all" poor people have, both historically and recently, disporportionally benefitted predominantly white people. You need to adress that bias. And it has never been about helping ONLY minority people. It's about making sure minorities ALSO gets help. You can't just throw resources at adressing poverty in general and just hope that the bias we KNOW exist against POC and other minority groups won't keep diverting that those resources away from those minority areas and groups. We need to allocate a reasonable portion of those resources to make sure nobody gets left out.
John Stewart coming back to the daily show is the best thing from the 00s that could have happened. He's an excellent host who doesn't let the guest get a full runaway of their time. He has a CONVERSATION
He was obnoxious in this discourse. Wouldn't let the man speak. Constantly interrupting and getting overly emotional and spoken louder. Are Dems incapable of behaving like toddlers who don't get their way? Can you at least have a discourse without getting visibly upset or do you simply not have that kind of self control?
Love this dude. We need to push for universal programs that help everyone. They will disproportionately target the disadvantaged. I got a Pell Grant and it changed my world. Pell Grants help black people in higher percentages and that’s great!!! But they also help various disadvantaged groups that might get missed if you’re trying to dole out resources per group instead of as a whole. I think if the focus is on universal programs ppl won’t mind specific DEI things here and there. But to help the most ppl possible, universal programs are easier and are a bigger bang for your buck because you don’t waste time having ppl check so many boxes to qualify. For the Pell Grant my dad submitted his tax information and that was it. For social security you just get it when you reach a certain age! These are popular programs because more people are reached than in niche DEI categories.
The stimulus checks come to mind too. Bidens popularity was at its peak after he passed that and the child tax credit. Things that helped a broad swath of Americans.
There are no programs for specific demographics. Poor whites also get food stamps, Medicaid, and rent assistance. Most recipients are white, due to the fact that most Americans are white.
@@zuzanazuscinova5209 it's not about paying, it's about investing in your society that actually gives you something for your money. Even if you're rich, you're interested in more people being able to afford more goods so they can buy your stuff or consume your services or help you grow the wealth via stocks.
John, you need to listen more in this segment. You're wrong on the DEI stuff. People want policies that give assistance to individual hardships. If there are more individuals of one group than another that qualify for assistance due to individual hardships, fine. But, if you want to give assistance to groups irrespective of the individual circumstances, that is what people don't like.
Jon’s interviewing skills have skyrocketed since his Apple show! Back on his first run, the guests always seemed a bit like an afterthought. But now he really balances humor with really trying to dig deep in issues he cares about.
He’s easily one of the best we’ve got. He has something of a tendency to get bogged down with semantics, which I think is what’s happening here. This is probably a microcosm for what’s dividing Americans at large. Maybe we just need help with the “branding”.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This was a terrible interview. Watch it again, and pay attention to how many times John interrupts the guy, and speaks over him. You can literally see the guy give up halfway through the interview, realizing that any time he tries to make a point, he's going to be interrupted. So, he starts waiting a few seconds before speaking, just to see if he's gonna get the airtime. This is literally one of the worst interviews John Stewart has ever done. Objectively. Really poorly executed.
Thank you Jon and the Daily Show for always being journalist and comedians. I just hope this show sticks around and we have another election in four years.
@@mewre2062 you mean like electing biden in 2020? woke is just right wing nonsense buzzword to demonise anything that is the other or non white non straight. Any sort of empathy to minority groups is labelled woke. It has lost all meaning
Refreshing interview. I particularly like Stewart’s honesty about his blind spot on DEI and wokeism. Unfortunately Ruy really chose his words carefully and didn’t really spell it out. Ruy should’ve just referenced Jon’s monologue earlier in the show where he made jokes about the ‘diversity’ of the new democrat seats?! 😂That’s DEI in action, DEI prioritises optics and the structure over merit and outcomes.
I get how many workers could say Democrats don't have their back. What I'll never understand is how anyone could then say 'the GOP does have my back. They do represent me, and not billionaires and corporations. '
It’s not hard understand when you look at how much time Trump has put into reaching and talking directly to working class white people. That’s all it takes for them.
John, I love you and much of America loves you, but on certain issues you are just not listening anymore. I know you always said you were an entertainer first, and you won our hearts that way, but you earned our trust when you mediated between contentious factions with a stout heart and an open mind. You are going to have to come to grips that some of your underlying assumptions were wrong, or accept becoming partisan, uninspiring, and irrelevant. I don't think anyone who is part of the solution wants that for you.
17:10 Jon says “republicans never get pushback on what they say” Jon’s entire job is pushing back on what they say along with every other late night show and main stream “news” outlet
Yeah I could have done a spit take there. They get plenty of pushback, and the democrats do plenty of name calling, falling afoul of Godwin's law at every opportunity and labeling anyone with a different opinion some flavour of *ist or *phobe.
I dropped out of the Democratic Party 12 years ago. I found it too feckless and weak, dependent on billionaires, not liberal enough, and disconnected from the working class.
I left the party here in California when my wife got really ill . We could only afford coverage for her plus the co pays for her treatment. California Democrats fined me $700 ( it’s $900 now) for not being able to afford insurance. Yet , illegal immigrants who have had a profoundly negative effect on the construction industry I work in , get free healthcare for themselves and their kids until 26. That was a Faq U from the Democrats to the working people of California. I’m Latino descended from legal immigrants. When Democrats couldn’t make common sense distinctions between legal and illegal immigration , man woman , volunteer or victim , I left.
@@kagyu1 There is no mandate to have insurance in the year 2024, so you're lying Sorry guys, I have Medicare for all (VA healthcare) so I wouldn't know about any mandated. Decommidify healthcare... ask Trump. Make Healthcare a human right
@@kagyu1I understand the frustration with the less ideal parts of the Affordable Care Act. I will say that the Republicans and the very conservative US Supreme Court made changes after it was passed that made it less effective for people. Democrats wanted to have a public option included in the affordable care act, which would have meant that when you were not able to afford the private insurances, you would instead be able to select a public insurance option, so you would still be covered. An independent Senator, Arlen Spector, who a little later became a Republican, blocked the Obama administration from being able to include the public option in the bill. 😢 I also think it isn’t quite fair to hold current immigrants to the same standard as in the past. The process is much more difficult and takes much longer now than it did when your parents were able to do the process legally. I’m not saying it was easy for them either - I am sure they had to work hard and sacrifice to do it, and that is admirable. But it is much more challenging now. The backlogs are terrible, and the costs are extremely high. In addition, people are fleeing from a lot of hardship now - extreme violence from which they wish to save their families, and environmental disasters that did not exist a couple of generations ago. And I will say, I think people do not take into account how much Democrats have tried to pass comprehensive immigration reform - and been stopped by Republicans who only want to approach immigration on a couple of fronts, and won’t look at the system comprehensively. It could be a lot more fair and orderly if they would.
He is saying you have to help all disadvantaged people not just those whom are black, Hispanic, or any other minority. Majority people are disadvantaged to.
People are trying really hard not to understand this very basic concept. They want the entire democratic party to just be identity politics. Pro-war, Wall Street corporate identity politics. Yeah, I'd say they've lost their way. Will they learn any of the appropriate lessons this time around? I highly doubt it.
@@abctalkies6981 True, but do those ways not also matter is the question. Can we not all help each other? I think his basic point is, do you want to get $hit done? Your PR is bad, fix it. Make things universal, then send the money to the places that need it the most (which will be places disproportionately affected by systemic racism). poor/working class white people feel abandoned, and it's basically just true. Republicans claim that they care but we all know that's bs, and Democrats don't act like they care either. It builds resentment in people who could be friends and allies. I'm white and I care about everyone else, and I'll be honest, it does feel like no one gives af about me. I don't let it smother my compassion or my logic about the reality of racism or the disproportionate struggles of other ethnicities, but it does hurt my feelings sometimes. And I can easily see why people fall for the right's rhetoric. Why are we allowing ourselves to be divided when we are stronger together?
@@abctalkies6981and that’s the problem with the coalition. While I agree black and Hispanic people often start at a more disadvantaged level, if we’re comparing one disadvantage to the other, then there’s bound to be tension, whereas universal programs mean that we’re all in it together. If we don’t learn that lesson, then we will continue to lose.
This is a simple is/ought problem. Ruy is saying the problem IS people dont like DEI and Jon is saying well they OUGHT to like it! and Ruy says... ok but they dont... and Jon says but they ought to... but they dont... but they ought... but they dont
@ there are no different versions of DEI, only different degrees of the same bad idea. It’s all forced discriminatory policy on immutable characteristics such as race, gender, and sexuality. All derived from the cultural Marxist ideology of CRT.
Jon Stewart needs to acknowledge that the Woke and SJW orientation of the party is causing the problems instead of denying it and straw manning the issue
Jon was talking over this guy to the point that he got understandably irritated. It turned from an interview into a debate that Jon was trying to win without really listening to the other side.
The only problem with his idea that all they’re going to do is move the goalpost and rebrand it. That’s literally how the term “woke” was co-opted. As disappointing as it is to hear that people don’t like the terms because it means we’re continuing to ignore the elephant in the room, I’m okay with playing ball if it means we can pass legislation that genuinely benefits everyone and is what’s best for us as a society.
Correct. My main problem with the right is their inability to understand the importance of individual rights, or as they call it "wokeness." Right now we have a dictator coming to power, a group he has dehumanized (illegal immigrants) and groups he intends to dehumanize (migrants who he is already lumping in with illegal immigrants, racial minorities, LGBTQ+ people), and a tribe of people who believe he can do no wrong. What that leads to is a tyranny of the majority in which if Trump wants to abuse someone he doesn't like from a minority group, he has a government of loyalists who will not stand up to him to safeguard minority rights and a population that refuses to believe/accept that the targeted minority is in danger. What this leads to is a country where EVERYONE has to think and act like the majority, because if they think or speak or act different in the wrong place and at the wrong time, they are done. Examples of this are India, Mexico, Dubai, etc. Every single person will have moments where they don't think "like everyone else" and will have to constantly watch over their own thoughts to avoid getting into trouble. No one will be allowed to relax their shoulders and breathe. RWers want to erase individual rights to self-determination and create a populist country where everyone must live and speak and think only in the ways approved by "the majority," which will quickly become the president since the administration is already getting rid of checks and balances to his power. They are anti-freedom.
I agree. It’s disappointing to me that democrats just took on social issues because *at the time* it was popular. Nobody wants to talk about the actual elephant in the room and I worry that discrimination is going to go back to being normalized because we can’t accept DEI policies. However, if people are willing to play ball somehow than I guess we’ll see.
No Democrats let themselves get hijacked by their own voices that echoed woke, a combination of right wing plants, loud members of marginalized groups, and the head nodding majority of the Democratic body who want to be allies. You cannot make a coalition of marginalized groups if you magnify the more hostile end of each one of those groups. Each group has to police its own voices to meet in the middle of America to form a coalition.
Now that was an informative, insightful and interesting discussion and debate. Wish there had been more of this in the year leading up to the election. People might have listened.
I’m a person of color and I believe Universal social programs ie health care, education, something to address housing and food insecurity would serve me better than whatever DEI initiatives my work place is running
Progressive agenda focus more on welfare which clearly wasn't prioritized, while too woke means they invested more on cultural problems which isn't priority.
Agreed. He was frustratingly wish-washy. Creating policies that address our country’s systemic issues shouldn’t be controversial. We are not going to turn a blind eye to systemic racism because a large swathe of poor white people believe minorities are eating away their opportunities to succeed.
Wow, this was a fantastic, provocative conversation that no one else is having. It hit the bullseye for relevance (actual, not statistical). Thank you, Jon.
As has been my opinion for years, people - americans - care about DEI or the suffrage of marginalized communities when it's convenient to their wallets. Any policy is irrelevant if I can't afford to eat today. And in such a case I should be expected to feel favorably towards candidates that acknowledge or pretend to care about my problems.
Exactly. You can't focus on the minority if the majority is suffering. People are selfish. You either have political strategy/policy in line with human nature or you will fail.
Yes, which is why they do it. A universal policy would help more people and offer less of a distraction from the oligarchs that caused the problem in the first place.
It’s funny that John doesn’t understand the DEI “BS.” It’s unpopular; people hate it because they feel talked down to. It unnecessary, counterproductive, and only benefits very specific groups. Instead, we should focus on creating opportunities for everyone.
Jon wasn’t listening at the end. Very frustrating. Shouting down an Ivy League prof is not a great look, particularly when it’s a guy as agreeable as Ruy.
Guy that rightwing conspiracy nuts credit with the great replacement theory...it's guys like this that can't say they are racist but drone on and on about DEI and woke without being able to define the exact policies these entail that they are against.
I enjoyed this conversation I liked how they agreed and how they disagreed And I think a majority of the disagreement falls into an argument of semantics & definitions. Teixeira does a great job, I think, of pointing out how general concepts are commonly supported but specific programs and/or how the democrats try to sell those programs to people is the issue First time I ever saw a clip from someone (in any show) and became interested in buying their book
I think that part at the end needs to be clarified and shouted more: the "centre" of politics based on what the majority of people want is _progressive._ When presented without political labels, people on the whole are more favourable of progressive policies than liberal or conservative policies. Which is why it's so incredibly frustrating that the Democrats keep chasing the conservatives and not the progressives, just dragging the country to the Right and away from giving people what they want and need!
@gfys756 that's not what centrism is you extremist. You people are so weird. Centrism is often called "the third way" and is not "progressive" AT ALL. Centrism is about keeping the Status Quo. Also, Kamala Harris Ran a centrist campaign by your definition and LOST!
@@grymjaw That's because the systems are universal. Everyone can use them. The point is no one will get better treatment from that universal system because they have more means.
@@appaatemomo-freePalestine You need to drop the communist rhetoric in what is arguably the most capitalist country in the world. Universal care isn’t about punishing the rich; it’s about helping everyone. Sure, the wealthy might benefit too-but that’s beside the point. The bigger picture is that universal care lifts everyone, and focusing on how it also helps the rich misses the mark. Blocking it because the rich won’t have to pay for it is shortsighted. Imagine refusing free, life-saving water just because the rich person next to you also doesn’t have to pay for it-that’s a truly absurd way to think.
Just like the Covid small business grants, the people who need them most won't be informed how to get them and there will be insiders in the system (was it John Robert's wife who got a painting grant?) who defraud all the money away.
I don’t know about that. Whichever candidate loses, their voters always do this blame game thing where they try to Monday morning quarterback the campaign. It’s the people that dropped the ball on this one. Trumps crimes and attacks on democracy are well documented. Making him president again has effectively ended anything we ever stood for.
About the New Deal-You’re both sort of right. It was centrist in that it didn’t fundamentally challenge existing socioeconomic arrangements, but it was radical in terms of the scope of federal response to a crisis.
I would point out many people back in that time saw it as a challenge to socioeconomic norms. Ayn Rand for example was born out of opposition to the New Deal. They saw it as a step towards communism and fought furiously to cement the arguments and opposition that still oppose expanding government programs and interventions.
Yeah no, it absolutely was a massive departure from the lasse fare policies of the guilded age, so much so they the… I think it was the PWD? (Acronym might be wrong,) which was by far the most effective new deal policy, was repealed almost immediately for being “communist.”
@@TylerWardhaha You’re correct, right wingers considered it socialism, just as they considered Woodrow Wilson’s new freedom socialism and the great society too. They’re cranks.
@@TylerWardhaha You’re correct-But this has been the case for every liberal reform program before and after FDR. Right wingers call literally anything socialism, that doesn’t make it so.
Jon Stewart has a way to present intricately complex problems & arguments in such a way that most of my University professors couldnt. Kudos Mr Stewart. I thank you 👏
@@godislove544the guest cited grievances from individuals in Chicago who felt like their requests for aid are ignored. While witnessing assistance to migrants. Whether one agrees with the sentiment, this viewpoint isn't unique.
@@neilxpeart The irony of this is who is really given much more in the way of advantages and assistance is big business, which the republicans always cater to. It is a strategy to make fellow men/women turn and think the other like them, is the enemy. It is a great distraction from looking up at who is really exploiting them. CEOs, stock holders are making profits like never before, while the wealth gap has become a chasm. Walmart, one of the richest families in the world, has the largest percentage of its workers using social programs like food stamps. Other companies are notorious for not paying taxes, like Amazon, who uses taxpayer funded roads to run their business. When big business suffer, like was caused by tRumps tariffs did to farmers and big ag, tax payers bailed them out to the tune of nearly 20 BILLION. We as the common citizens need to realize who has been and really is getting an unfair advantage and how corporations are determined to enrich themselves while not paying employees at times even a living wage.
@@godislove544I think the grievance of the working class has been largely ignored by the Democratic party. Or when there are successes, like the infrastructure bill, they don't champion the legislation. I do think the people vs corporations fight will be difficult without Democrats really pushing concrete labor reforms. Even in California, they couldn't push through their minimum wage referendum or Medicare for all.
Part of the problem is that white folks generally don’t see the many gov’t programs that disproportionately help them at the expense of others (The New Deal era programs like FHA loans and unemployment insurance that largely excluded Black and Latino people are but two of the many examples). And then they ban the books and the courses that would actually teach people this history so that they can cling to the myth of “I made it on my own!”.
Romney is a white, male, Christian representative. Obama is Black, it’s a simple equation. America has always been racist and sexist. It was built in to the colonizing of the country.
I don't see it as the same. People don't want programs that benefit poor blacks over poor whites. They're fine with programs to help poor people. Rich white liberals telling poor whites that it's ok to discriminate against them because other white people did well is infuriating to those people.
@@JD-ir2sb But a woman posted online that her neighbor came over after the election saying she voted for Trump but didn't know he was trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, so she was regretting her decision, the other neighbor asked her how she didn't know because Trump spoke about it all during the election. The MAGA voter said she voted to get rid of ObamaCare, not the ACA. Her neighbor had to explain they were the same thing and the neighbor was mortified. The neighbor inferred racism and so did I.
John, this is the first time I've heard you being aggressive and not letting your guest make his point. He's trying to tell you DEI is racist, and there are non-racist ways to do the same.
A poor black man has different needs than a rich black man. They are not the same just because their skin is black. Assuming so, is inherently racist. That’s the point the guys was making. John didn’t want to listen.
@@davidmartin4683and that’s why dems lost. Every time us independents try to problem solve and think of ways to help everybody regardless of race/culture we are called MAGA. If you want us independents to be MAGA so badly, maybe us independents should all vote MAGA in two years and bail on the dem party entirely.
I mean, it's kinda obvious why democrats are not laser focused. The Democrat coalition is very broad, and therefore consensus is harder. The Republican party is more homogeneous and they run on a pretty narrow platform.
Their focus is only scattered because they're not focused on universal policies that will help _all_ of their base. Y'know, like Medicare for All, paid sick leave + extending annual leave, raising the minimum wage and abolishing the sub-minimum wage. Make policies that help everybody _regardless_ of demographic and you will more effectively target your entire base _regardless_ of its diversity! Of course, you can't _only_ do universal policies when some groups have been historically disadvantaged; you need to also deal with those disadvantages directly. But right now, the Democrats are _only_ focusing on a patchwork of policies aimed at smaller groups without those universal policies that wrap everything up together!
@Respectable_Username The problem is that liberal/conservative is mixed with left/right economic policies. How can you have focus if both are clubbed together? You have democrats that are millionaires/billionaires because of liberal social agenda and support senators and congressmen but clearly want a more capitalist policy for their corporations. I still will never understand how the republicans convinced the poor conservative to vote against their own economic interests.
@@nullpointer5603 "I still will never understand how the republicans convinced the poor conservative to vote against their own economic interests." - Maybe they think their economic interests are different from what CNN and Jon Stewart claim their economic interests are. Maybe they think DEI programs and open borders are impacting their salaries and chances to find jobs negatively? Crazy, I know - but that's what lack of college education gets you.
@@jeronimo196 they're incorrect. They have been abandoned by the Dems and Republicans found a scapegoat in immigrants. Divide and conquer. There's a reason why Trump chose to say Mexico is not sending their best
Why is it so hard to see that DEI is just discrimination and racism. It’s not complicated. You have to raise everyone up, not pick winners and losers based on identity.
@maeschender That is objectively false. Almost everyone knows of some 'diversity hire" that has happened in their company... because management confused equality of opportunity with equality of results (since the latter produces a number they can show others).
This was such a refreshing conversation and I think truly highlights the disconnect between both sides. I saw someone said that it felt like they were talking about two different things and I think that's the exact issue. If we could have more of these conversations to iron out the misunderstandings and get on the same page, I think a lot more would get done in government and just in society in general.
This is easy. Bring _everyone_ into those social welfare programs, and deliver the best healthcare and education on the planet to _everyone_ who pays taxes at no cost. No means testing, no complicated qualification or gatekeepers. Yes, some insurance accountants will lose their jobs. We call it “disruption” when malignant muppets like Elon Musk do it, but it’s “killing jobs” when the public sector does it for the broad benefit of society at large?
I agree. This was a breath of fresh air. He brought up a number of frequent right-leaning bullet points (e.g. helping poor people is fine as long as race isn't a criterion, immigration spikes, inflation spikes), but he was given the reign to articulate his points and they were able to have a productive conversation because he doesn't have an "R" next to his name. Very nice to see.
One of the best interviews about policy or politics I've ever seen. The grip of the people who have made some of these arguments unspeakable is finally weakening, and in comes the sunlight.
Ruy is absolutely correct in what he said and the way he explained it. The differences between his viewpoint and what Jon was describing/defending are tenuous but real and very, very important.
Deregulations? Regulations are in place to protect the health of American people. Without keeping corporations from dumping toxic chemicals in our air, water and food supplies. How can anyone downplay the devastating impact of deregulation? Our lives depend on the regulations the government has in place. Corporations don't care if they poison our environment to the point where everyone needs hospitalization. All they care about is making greater profits. They NEED to be regulated. They're too selfish and corrupt to regulate themselves.
Jon - let me help you on the ‘woke’ stuff. Most people want some form of ‘special treatment’ in society. But they want it based on people’s circumstances, not their identity. They want people helped and lifted up because they’re poor. Not white and poor, or black and poor, or make and poor, and so on… but helped in a way that’s alive to circumstance but blind to identity. Post-2010ish ‘wokeness’ is based on a view that certain people are inherently ‘privileged’ because of their skin colour, etc etc, and others are inherently ‘victims’ or oppressed. That’s come to be seen as reverse-prejudiced and reverse-discriminatory by a lot of struggling working-class swing voters, and carries a lot of resentment with it. And we know the right wants the left to be perceived as ‘woke’, because it’s whole propaganda machine is obsessed with weaponising that impression.
The Right is obsessed with it now because the Left was obsessed with it for a decade, with distastrous results. This is like cutting your own arm off and then saying 'my opponent in this duel is taking advantage of me missing an arm'.
Great. Sure. Yeah. But missing from this discussion is the fact that Repubs will yell "SOCIALISM". They do not want ANY government programs. They think, as Ronny Raygun said, "government is the problem."
@@spongo Government spending causes inflation, but in this case it would be offset by taxes and the reality that if everybody is getting regular medical care, any resultant inflation would be offset by savings in terms of unnecessary treatment.
DEI dismantles one of the most important life disciplines that make our country strong and our people motivated. With DEI widely implemented, grades don’t matter to students, skin colors and family backgrounds do; job performance doesn’t matter in promotions at workplace, skin colors do. Even worse, according to the Critical Race Theory, which is associated with DEI, the unequal social and economic outcomes existing in our society are not caused by fair competition, work ethics or hardworking but by systematic racism and white supremacy…therefore, the US is an unjust country and needs to be changed by the wokeism and progressionism
John was trying to defend his point of view without even listening. I never seen John in such a bubble that he refuses to listen to another person trying to explain a different point of view.
"Build Universal Programs..." but "Don't call it DEI, Don't call it Reparations, Don't call it anything like that because those are really unpopular" Not a lot of analysis of how those things became unpopular as a function of coordinated and racially motivated propaganda from the right, paired with insufficient push back from the center because of class interests shared between those two groups and their stranglehold on the media. Unsaid in response to this is the question, What's to stop the next "anything like that" from being unjustly demonized and nitpicked to death as a stun lock stall tactic by the capital classes? Just like all their predecessors. There will never be a language which is accepted, because it is not the language, but the meaning which is offensive to the status quo and all the people big and small who benefit from it. It's not the map, but the terrain itself, which is stymied by design. Class Reductionism in place of Intersectionality is just appeasement, the same way they dismiss the concerns of minorities is the same way they will dismiss the working class given the opportunity, and you can't gain power without solidarity so they will ever have the opportunity until we develop a radical and durable solidarity of "both and".
Class is intersectionality, class is the only thing most people have in common, it's the ultimate intersectionality, the term "class reduction" is a right-wing propaganda, are u a fed?
@@HasnaaAlaa This is a very wrong assessment, You are misunderstanding the basic definition of intersectionality. An intersection by definition is the crossing of two axis. Class is a single axis and though it intersects many people in a colloquial sense, it is a misuse of the term to apply it to class alone as a single identity factor in this context. Class + Race + Gender + Sexuality + Religion + any other identity bigotry are the lines which intersect. People being singularly affected by an axis are still oppressed, but not intersected in the actual use of this term in the proper academic context. The intersection is the person for whom multiple oppression axis intertwine and synergize on their person. "Intersectionality opposes analytical systems that treat each axis of oppression in isolation." Class Reduction is the corollary of intersectionality, it is one of the subset of things which are defined above as a thing which it opposes. In the same way that it is wrong to say that every injustice a black person faces is because of racism, race reduction, or every injustice a woman faces is because of misogyny, gender reduction, class reduction is also wrong for its exclusion of compounded factors, it's an overly simplistic characterization of reality which serves only those who only suffer from class oppression. It is a very neoliberal rot mindset to reduce the whole of the world of social justice into materialist market transactions, as though there is no such thing as psychological in group bias independent of materialism.
@chasebemis1976 class is still the only factor that spans all races, genders, sexualities etc... U can't understand oppression without the lense of class, why did rich European settlers bring African slaves to America? For free labor, even the Israeli apartheid has elements on the bases of class, Palestinians are used as cheap labor without any rights, it's impossible to build a large collation of people without offering something that benefits the majority of people, only economics can span ethnic backgrounds, it unites people, this academic speech u just gave is great in PhDs circles it doesn't help in building a movement or progress or getting people together to fight for something, that's why Dems lost, they ignored materialism, they are beholden to their big business Doners just like republicans so they can't actually propose a populist leftist economic policy that the US desperately needs, so all they have left is posturing on some social issues that they don't actually have any solutions to or actually care about and drop the second it's convenient, why don't u people ever admit that universal programs will disproportionately uplift minorities in this country? Isn't that what u want? It's both a winning message and a winning policy, the economy was the number 1 issue for most Americans especially latinos and POCs, I am for criminal justice reform but if u wanna win people over u have to have an economic plan in the forefront coz again class is the glue that holds societies together, class consciousness is the only way to fight fascism
For people who don't get the woke criticism, just look at the democrat representative that commented on boys in girls sports. Even though he was concerned for his daughters, and democrats lost the election, they're coming after him. He said he was afraid to comment because of backlash. So yes, people rightfully perceive democrats as the woke party, where dissent is not allowed and is immediately conflated as hatred.
it's bigotry. separate but 'equal'. It's not just dissent, it's direct discrimination against an incredibly marginalized group. And the 'concerns' are pure mis/disinformation. But there are so few trans people that nobody cares to educate themselves and most are fine in their hatred/disgust for people who just want to live their lives like everyone else.
How do you have a labor movement in an economy of gig jobs? Organizing gig workers is forbidden by law. In Massachusetts, 52 percent of voters supported the basic right to organize by gig drivers. The Democrats are working for their billionaire donors. Have billionaires and their corporations pay their fair share of taxes. That would end our deficit. THAT is seen as RADICAL LEFT SOCIALIST.
Billionaires and corporations love the rhetoric of taxing them more. They have teams of lawyers and accountants that will ensure they aren’t taxed. They hate tariffs, because most of their wealth comes from playing international arbitrage with resources, money, workers and consumers on different continents. Now do you understand why the billionaires support the dems overwhelmingly? Do you see why France and Germany with strong tariffs have strong unions and manufacturing sectors while the US and UK have adopted free trade, lost their manufacturing and only have strong banking??
@@walterwz “be allowed”? You would have to provide more information on what mechanism you’re proposing to disallow them. We just outlined that taxation won’t do it. If your solutions are inspired by French history, the Bolsheviks or the Great Leap Forward, you should know none of those things worked out well for anyone.
We didn't vote "Republican" we voted for TRUMP. The battles over the next four years isn't going to fought against Democrats... democrats are done. It's going to be a fight against the establishment Republicans, the ones afraid of losing access to the infectious, and incestuous, revolving door between public and private, but most of all afraid of ACCOUNTABILITY. Which is why Trumps cabinets picks are THE RIGHT PICKS, and why they're going to be he most attacked, and villainized individuals in American political history. For the first time in modern history, the stage is set for the establishment to lose, and the people to win.
Restitution is not made through DEI... restitution begins at OPPORTUNITY. Equality of opportunity is the ONLY way... and everyone supports it. Equality of OUTCOME is a disastrous and murderous doctrine, and that is how it's been acted out everywhere it has existed in the 20th century.
Stewart needs to LISTEN. He says he doesn't understand then JUMPS right in when the guest tries to explain it. And, BTW- POOR IS POOR! No matter what your skin color!
But a brown poor person is at way more of a disadvantage than a white poor person. A white poor person will be treated better by society, has a better chance of getting a raise, a loan, and a smile from people passing by. That's reality. DEI tries to course-correct this issue. It is not perfect, and call these programs what you want, but this county is still trying to equalize things through policies such as these. When a black person can marry a white person without ANYONE having an opinion about it, we can consider ourselves "equalized".
Ruy is a brilliant guy. Jon should listen harder. If you want to accept more disadvantaged people into high profile universities, you either have to reject Asian kids who qualified or spend the money to expand the programs to make room for disadvantaged candidates. The former strategy dominates and people don't like it. It's the DEI strategy that people reject, not the DEI goals.
Brilliant interview. Especially at the very end finding common ground on discussing Roosevelt's New Deal. Jon always finds a way to understand someone even if it drives him to the edge.
15:15 Don't applaud at that. Teixeira is correct in what he's saying, not Jon. Jon's right about a lot of things but he has a pretty clear and big misunderstanding of this topic, and what he just said - and most of what he's said on this topic - is largely incorrect.
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Rare to hear people talk honestly about the issues within the democratic party on TV. Props to Stewart and the show for allowing a real conversation about politics.
Notice how Comedy Central is doing the real news and the establishments news is comedy
Well yeah they don't allow it on TV because it's all owned by big corporate conglomerates who rely on these disgusting boomercrat oligarch neoliberal cravens as their faithful pets and controlled-opposition. Because even when they are supposedly "in power"... they ALWAYS seem to be the opposition...
@@anobody3803 the left has no markers or barriers for when it goes too far to the left. The lack of accountability, honest self reflection and introspection by the media and the extremist lefts in the Democratic party is mind blowing. All i see and hear is “how could anyone vote for that man?” while they point fingers at DJT voters calling them all the “-ists” and doubling down on their insanity.
MSM is in a death spiral. Center left liberals in media/social media/podcasts, like Stewart, need to reel in the nut jobs of their party (and there are a LOT of em) or it will happen again in 4years.
@@anobody3803its a sad reality
Because you never could handle self criticism. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "Never punch left." No?
Universal programs like paid family leave, school lunch programs, and medicare for all help disadvantaged people more, but are popular because they help everyone.
But the right hates all those things and declares them socialist.
That seemed to be what Kamala was running on, so I don't understand the people that chose otherwise and those that chose to sit behind.
True, which makes it strange that some vague economic policy of universal tariffs and extending non targeted tax decreasing deficit spending won over it. Both of which are inflationary. Also, let’s deport millions when unemployment is already rock bottom.
Right. This is why we were ok with providing subsidies to farmers - it helps us all cause we all need to buy food & eat.
Probably because people mobilized by fear and anger would rather see others be more scared and hurt than themselves, instead of taking the chance on a rising tide that raises everyone.
Since they feel they feel like they’ve been fooled by hope before, they’d rather go down swinging and hurting others as well as themselves rather than risk improving others lives and getting fooled again.
This is what journalism should look like by the way. This is an amazing conversation thank you
Jon got a little excited a few times, but that's what he does lol. We need to see more of these kinds of conversations though, too bad you can only get them on comedy central
This is what journalism looks like only after a big loss. Journalism failed to cover this topic that some of us have been discussing since Bill Clinton's second term.
TOO LATE.
Republicans never have these conversations and the American public continued to reward them with power. Democrats need to play the game how the GOP plays it.
@@saltymr.potatohead4897 *and only the week after the dems take the fattest L in 20 years. If T Noah did this they'd be in better shape
Wow this was refreshing and interesting... It should be pointed out that Ruy was courageous to continue to try to get his point out, risking being seen as non compliant by Jon and the audience! Jon, love your work, but let the man speak!
I felt that also.
These are dangerous times to speak our minds. I think the people are starting to become aware of some of the setbacks of political correctness... Hopefully we can learn from our past mistakes and self correct
Yeah, it's your show, but the interruptions were getting annoying.
I know it's so outrageous when people insist on logical consistency.
I think that Jon coming to the table without an actual understanding of the definition of formal DEI initiatives and the implications they impose, both positive and negative, is a problem. To further insist on his rightness, without that basic understanding, made the problem worse.
Had he listened to the man, he would have learned something important.
Yes, definitely, well said. I think Jon recognized` he was too much when he said near the end that he was too argumentative and contrarian. It all worked out in the end, I think.
I think what Ruy is saying is there’s a way for Democrats to do these federal programs that help disenfranchised people without making race a criteria, and which can theoretically help working-class white people while at the same time helping black & Latino communities the most. What Jon is calling out is how people of color have explicitly been harmed by this country’s systems and how the federal government has an obligation to directly aid these communities regardless of whether it is seen as “socialism” by the right.
The man is a racist and a liar and I hated that little grin he had on his face when Jon was holding his feet to the fire. The democratic party has shifted RIGHT on social policy since 2020, and he is describing a democratic party that existed in 2020 that no longer exists in 2024. BLM and all that woke stuff is DEAD. DEI???? Notice how he could not define it. I get tired of these GRIFTERS. The answer to the democratic party's woes is leftwing populism, which means DECOMMODIFICATION OF CERTAIN SERVICES like healthcare and housing. Housing and healthcare as a HUMAN RIGHT. That is where the democratic party needs to be headed.
I kind of like the idea of rebranding it somehow
The guest is just wrong. Just like the democrats will never be able to move right enough to not be labeled radical leftist if they try and address a single issue, they will be labeled whatever the current version of the DEI attack is.
Stop playing defense when your opponent is cheating.
Ruy is wrong in this matter. It's true that most DEI recipients roll their eyes at it but we need to recognize racial inequality. Otherwise we risk having racial minorities who have faced discrimination, like Black and Indigenous people, unable to secure benefits proportional to their given situations. We also enable more bigotry to these people since the majority may see them as "lazy" given their struggles and if there is no official recognition of where these struggles came from.
In Ruy's world, the U.S. government would not protect black people on buses from being abused by white people when they sat on "whites-only" seats during the Freedom Riots, because they would "not see race." Likewise, hospitals would put women having miscarriages/ectopic pregnancies in more danger by dismissing them as "hysterical" as they have done. Democracy works when you firstly recognize and protect individual rights, and then listen to the majority but without compromising on those individual rights. If you don't respect each individual's situation and worth, they end up being excluded from the democracy.
@abctalkies6981 Another consideration is are people deciding their votes on this issue? To use trans people as a example its very easy to frame it in a way that is extremely unpopular. Nobody wants men playing in woman's sports. Republicans have run on this for many years now and it has been pretty unsuccessful. It's clear people care more about things like the economy. So the question is do we actually have any values and are we really going to throw these people under the bus for no real benefit.
American living in Sweden here. How do you get Americans to feel like their taxes impact their daily lives? Give them things that do. Here you get 25 guaranteed vacation days a year, free healthcare, both parents get to take off 8 months to raise their kid at 77% of their salary. Here I feel my taxes give me something in my daily life.
THIS!
In Sweden the middle class pays higher taxes than in the US. Also they have a lower corporate tax rate. Basically the people using the government services pay for them and the people who don't, don't.
In the US a majority of taxes are paid by the ultra weather and business.
I live in Germany and don’t know if you have actually used those health services in Sweden or just assume they’re ok. In Germany it’s a sh*tshow. I have been to 26 doctors but they’re all disinterested, badly educated, won’t do any available tests. I have paid out of pocket and eventually got one diagnosis but they won’t do tests for frequently related diseases. Thinking of seeking treatment abroad now. I hate how much I spent in taxes and insurance when the systems are completely broken.
@@landywilsonWould love for you to go into any middle class neighborhood in America and knock on doors and tell them they should pay more in taxes and that the upper class pays too much.
You don't have a $1trillion military budget and you're not sending outrageous amounts of money as aid to other countries. You also don't have a thoroughly corrupt political system that is actually run by the people who pay the highest bribes (campaign money and promises of lucrative jobs after politicians leave politics).
Both parties should take note of this. Sixty percent of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and politics has failed them.
I switched parties this year in Michigan. I made the RIGHT choice 😌 #MAHA #MAGA
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Yes , and most Americans don’t have $2000 dollars in savings .
60% of the country DID NOT vote for Trump... Only a 1/4.
The Republicans genuinely don't care. Their corporate donors are happy workers are living paycheck to paycheck, because it keeps them dependent on their jobs.
They voted against their own interests based on blaming the immigrants, for a partly that blocked them getting a higher minimum wage, and will continue to do so. And when they become angry about that, Republicans will convince them to blame Another minority group.
Congratulations.
One of the better guests in a while. I really wish there were more conversations like this.
Race and class are not the same, The poor Black person has more in common with the poor White person than the college educated suburban or gentrified neighborhood living person of color, Who still acts as if they are as marginalized as the poor person of the same Race. Most ppl still believe in merit or atleast think they do so when they hear DEI they think unqualified ppl put in a position it also makes POC feel as if they are being treated like lesser than and cant do it for themselves.
But it's a lie, nepotism is the real problem where the bosses friends and family members get positions over more qualified candidates. I find it hilarious that these people who complain about DEI don't question Trump stacking his cabinet with his...friends and family members
Except the poor white person hates the poor black person. And vice versa. So there’s that.
I would challenge the idea that DEI results in unqualified people holding a position. The implication of this claim is that POC are not qualified, and that this explains why they are not proportionally represented in institutions. DEI is actually a way of broadening the pool of qualified applicants, and of redressing historical bias against qualified POC.
@@ianfryer DEI is the opposite. Its literally institutionalized racism. It narrows the pool of qualified applicants, based on their race. If there are so many qualified people out there, then any business that taps into that market of people will have a massive competitive advantage. This is an even dumber version of 'women make 70% of men for the same work' or whatever - it crumples to even mild scrutiny.
'POC', which is 'colored people' for modern racists-that-want-to-pretend-they-arent, can apply freely under existing anti-discrimination laws. It is *DEI proponents* that seek to *abolish* those anti-discimination laws of the Civil Rights Movement, because they want to re-instate discrimination. The result is obvious: You alienate the people you are racist towards - duh - plus you alienate a lot of people you are trying to favor, because even a qualified black person in a DEI-hiring position will be thought of as being there due to his race rather than his qualifications - why would he want that? Why would he vote for a party that makes a mockery of him?
College educated and poor are not mutually exclusive
Centrist in politics has never referred to the position supported by the majority of the population - that's populist. FDR was a populist, but he was definitely *not* a centrist.
EXACTLY! Do not trust a word this guy says. His politics are all over the place and for some reason, he had no solutions. EVEN I HAVE SOLUTIONS!!!
Texeira's entire calculus relies on a world where the 10 million voters who stayed home since 2024 weren't mostly women of color and half aged 18-29.
In his alternate universe voter pool where all the Dem voters became Republicans instead of just not voting, he might have been onto something.
@@beezusHrist Your solution doesn't involve Ivermectin, does it?
Then what do you call a moderate?
@@irubberyouglueonethousand5384 a moderate. What are they moderate IN? Moderate conservative? Moderate liberal?
This interview pronounced some of the issues I take with Jon. His passion for his perspective often overshadows genuine listening, although I think he landed ok here. This guy handled him about as well as anyone I’ve seen. Patient and unprovoked, while remaining lighthearted.
Yeah I like Jon, but he interrupts and can even get argumentative. To his credit, he at least recognizes that.
Came looking for exactly this. Reminded me of his Gen-Z interview. I think if he feels the issue too strongly and needs to vent about it, he isn't able to participate in the interview the way he usually does
Except the guy was clearly changing the argument. Centrist as a term is never used in a statistical sense. It is a political positional term, and he knows that
Felt the same way-you can almost pinpoint the exact moment when Ruy stops having fun. John should have backed off and let the man make his point.
@@k_hack9441 semantics are a low level tactic in debates. His point that most people were on board for it was clear from the jump. He accepted he used the word wrong and moved on. Are there other examples of him debating in bad faith?
I agree with the guest more on this one. We need universal programs that lift up all of our struggling people.
That is FOR SURE. I've worked in black and brown urban schools where the kids got all kinds of benefits I never got. We were lower middle-class, but I bet my parents could have sure used some help.
Kudos to Jon for realizing that he has had a blind spot on this. He has been one of the big defenders of the DEI approach. Ruy is saying what Berni Sanders has been saying for awhile - Dems should promote programs the will lift up all Americans in need and that will lift up people who are in need because of racism. It is less divisive than the DEI approach. Berni and Ruy are right.
I don't know what is so hard to understand about this for Jon. People want policies to help the working class. They don't want post-materialist definitions of class to dominate the conversation.
@@KeystoneHeavy58 Most people don't talk in the manor of your comment.
They want easy to understand sound bites and the democratic policy is not easily conveyed in a sound bite. Let alone the fact that the media is hostile in it's for profit model of business (thanks to it's main clientele wanting to divide the common person to make running the nation easier).
The problem for John is he give the average person too much credit and does not easily accept that the average person really does not care enough to be as engaged on any given topic as john is.
Thus the problem of optics remains, yet the problem remains that when a government program is universal without clear protections for the few who slip though the gaps this allows the universal system to then be managed in a way that gatekeeps any assistance to preference those that are deemed the most applicable to get support.
And to combat this is to confront human nature itself, thus the far-right have the easier task of promoting to the general population the "virtues of selfishness" and so far this is successful because everyone gets a chance to chance the dream while blaming others when things go bad.
@@KeystoneHeavy58 I think Jon just wanted him to admit it's literally because of racism
It is confusing for Jon to take that stance, because he understood better class struggle on his (great) podcast 5 days ago: ruclips.net/video/UC-VkbEpac4/видео.html
It seems that Democrats do NOT want to cater to working class because they are captured by elites (they got almost 2 billion this election cycle). The rumor has it that Biden was finally pushed out because Bernie and AOC had his ear and was willing to implement populist policies.
@@LG-iu3wj Racism is a part of it... but people clearly don't want to talk about it that way.
I work for an organization and we manage Medicaid. Our programs aren’t focused on a specific race or ethnic groups, but the most disadvantaged as a whole.
this guy is a scumbag maher wannabe, he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. he's never spoken to americans outside of his upper class bubble.
So are one of the far too many organizations that steal taxpayers money with MEDICARE FRAUD AND THE REAL REASON IT COSTS SO MUCH TO TAXPAYERS?! #RealizeTheTruth 😮
Your medal is in the mail. Sheesh!
Maher is the worst 😅 @@jesipohl6717
@@nwhite3080 Medicaid is not why healthcare is expensive 😅😅😅 Medicaid and Medicare are cheaper and more cost effective than private insurance due to sheer scale. You think Walmart wants to stop accepting the government plan? Of course not, those people picking up meds, will end up spending in store. You literally don't know what you're talking about.
Exasperated medical conditions resulting in Emergency room visits for what should've been taken care by preventative care is what drives healthcare costs. Unfortunately, private healthcare is expensive due to premiums, copays, co Insurance etc.
Incredible discussion. Kudos to both of them for their courage to discuss their differing, liberal, views knowing that it would probably be used by some conservatives as ammunition aimed at the divide in the democratic party. I wish more people on the right and left could have conversations like this because the division and tribalism in our country, across party lines, is a far greater embarrassment and detriment.
Ruy nailed it about DEI. People are mostly fine with programs that help the poor. People *hate* programs that single out classes of people based on race. The Democrats need to process that information before the midterms.
Republicans don’t have honest, in-depth debates about issues. Just slogans and fear mongering words like socialism. It’s been the MO of that party for the last 30 years. There used to be more intellectual discussion among Democrats but not anymore. The speed of the Information age has destroyed in-depth critical thinking. Requires too much effort and takes too long.
The problem is most people in this country actually don't know what THEY believe. They just regurgitate what is on the television. Have you actually had conversations with people? They have literally no idea what is going on most of the time. Its a country full of even less educated Joe Rogan's.
We've got 2 years until the midterms. We can talk a bit. We probably always should because look at where not talking about Biden's age got us.
For the first time, I am sadly seeing Jon Stewart in an ignorant light. Trying to deflect with the comedy card when his guest is giving honest, serious answers is very poor look. I honestly thought he was better than that.
Wow this is exactly my sentiment. I've stopped the video several times to converse with my bride about being mystified as to how he is not getting this very simple distinction. I very much enjoy watching him and he is often a breath of fresh air, but oy vey this was cringe to see him not connecting the very clear dots.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! 100% misunderstanding here. *It's a comedy show* -- his literal job is to make people laugh, especially when it gets uncomfortable. It defuses the tension and keeps things light-hearted. If you want 60 Minutes, go watch it but the whole point of the show is to explore serious issues with a sense of humor.
This is a wake up call for both sides. Politics has failed the 60% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck.
Wake up call for those that push DEI and this wokeness BS.
Wake up call for the percent that doesn't vote at all.
Wake up call for the uninformed. Dems told you about trickle-down Reaganomics bs. Dems told you about corporate price gauging during the pandemic. Dems told you about the harm of stock buybacks. But Jeb in Iowa is ranting about a tax on those making 100+ mil…
Wait til there’s no paycheck.
Yup, and who are they going to like then when that happens.
The answer to John's question is actually very simple. The economy concerns everyone, but DEI does not.
"...and fluck those who it does" Anybody with half a brain knows DEI means "n-words", no matter how qualified. If you want to see ACTUAL DEI in action, watch the formation of the Trump administration. So far, not a single qualified nominee... 😂
pmuch this, DEI is a luxury belief which even John thinks is annoying
As someone who works in the space of DEI- I believe that most people don’t actually know what it is. It’s been twisted/marketed as something to put Black people at an advantage…but it’s far more encompassing & people will allow hatred/ignorance to fuel their belief in misinformation
@@Feefs18 Exactly! Same with the "woke" misappropriation...
@@Feefs18 I get that DEI is very useful to dampen the disadvantages that certain minorities are born with.
But there is an argument to be made that universal non-targeted alternatives achieve pretty much the same result without the baggage of any misinformation about it.
Having been through a few mandated DEI lectures at work over the last decade, I can tell you exactly what is. It's the idea that you should judge an individual through their immutable characteristics first, as opposed to their character. It's the Dr King doctrine, reversed.
DEI teaches that Obama's daughters are more oppressed than poor white people. That's one of the major issues
Jon Stewart whispering an admission to a guest that he doesn’t like how argumentative he is and acknowledging that he can be a little contrarian and even sanctimonious at times is, like, refreshingly self-aware.
I actually think it’s not unreasonable to consider the New Deal centrist. During this time the United States was in the midst of the great depression, people were not happy. Meanwhile, domestically there were left-wing populist politicians like Huey Long really disrupting the status quo and riling people up and amassing lots of power. There was a lot of anxiety among political and economic elites that people like Huey Long could seriously threaten their wealth or that even worse the United States just might go the way of the Soviet Union. In many respects, the New Deal was considered a compromise on the more radical ideas floating around at the time, which lent it some measure of support from institutional power that was crucial for its political feasibility.
FDR certainly didn’t think ideologically about the New Deal. If one program didn’t work , he’d try another
What Jon is missing about FDR being centrist is how the "Overton Window" has changed over time. In 1932, millions of Americans voted for literal Communists and Anarchists, so in comparison, the New Deal was centrist. Reagan would never have won in 1932; even in 1964, Barry Goldwater, whose views were very similar to Reagan, was crushed. But the Overton Window shifted rightward so that by 1980, any Communist or Anarchist would have been run out of the country, Reagan's views were mainstream, and the New Deal began to look radical.
Maybe I’m slow but I think Jon & Ruy might have been talking about two different things the whole time. lol
They absolutely were. Jon has a much different idea of DEI than the rest of us.
Ruy was trying to point out that the bulk of people agree with the spirit of DEI, just not the policy of it. Jon was too busy talking over him to actually hear anything he was saying.
Ok with the "spirit of it" just not put in to practice? On par "houghts and prayers" essentially.
@@Anthony-dy5cqno, that the actual system is failing so the idea isn't being applied right. Christ.
@PJ-ku5lp yeah the whole time I was like "just let him finish talking"
I want Jon and Ruy to do a 2-hour, long-form discussion on EXACTLY this kind of thing. We need to be talking about this MORE, not less.
If kamala had won yall be not talking about this😂😂. Democrats will never beat MAGA
@@Sataka23clips they don't have to, now. In 4 years MAGA will be leaving office.
@@Sataka23clips We already did twice- 2016 popular vote, and 2020 both popular and electoral. Someone's brainwashed.
How does he not understand theres a difference between helping all poor people and only minority poor people.
He understands just fine. But efforts to help "all" poor people have, both historically and recently, disporportionally benefitted predominantly white people. You need to adress that bias. And it has never been about helping ONLY minority people. It's about making sure minorities ALSO gets help. You can't just throw resources at adressing poverty in general and just hope that the bias we KNOW exist against POC and other minority groups won't keep diverting that those resources away from those minority areas and groups. We need to allocate a reasonable portion of those resources to make sure nobody gets left out.
@reprobatic5485 completely false. Starting from the civil rights movement most laws have been made to help minorities exclusively.
Kind of shocking how Jon doesn’t get that a narrative that promotes hierarchies of racial oppression contributes to racial tension.
He doesnt want
He is willfully ignorant.
a narrative? you think it's just a little bedtime story for racists?
dude is living in his gated community with his millions in the bank? the dude knows jackshit about the plight of the common man
@@dustbinfilmsDemand exceeds supply
John Stewart coming back to the daily show is the best thing from the 00s that could have happened. He's an excellent host who doesn't let the guest get a full runaway of their time. He has a CONVERSATION
Check out his podcast, longer conversations that are so satisfying.
He was obnoxious in this discourse. Wouldn't let the man speak. Constantly interrupting and getting overly emotional and spoken louder. Are Dems incapable of behaving like toddlers who don't get their way? Can you at least have a discourse without getting visibly upset or do you simply not have that kind of self control?
@@treborkroy5280 Exactly, I was wondering what the heck JupiterJazz was talking about that this was a "conversation"...
Jon is really struggling here to listen.
I’m not interested in someone who lets the guest own the show that they are on.
Love this dude. We need to push for universal programs that help everyone. They will disproportionately target the disadvantaged. I got a Pell Grant and it changed my world. Pell Grants help black people in higher percentages and that’s great!!! But they also help various disadvantaged groups that might get missed if you’re trying to dole out resources per group instead of as a whole. I think if the focus is on universal programs ppl won’t mind specific DEI things here and there. But to help the most ppl possible, universal programs are easier and are a bigger bang for your buck because you don’t waste time having ppl check so many boxes to qualify. For the Pell Grant my dad submitted his tax information and that was it. For social security you just get it when you reach a certain age! These are popular programs because more people are reached than in niche DEI categories.
The stimulus checks come to mind too. Bidens popularity was at its peak after he passed that and the child tax credit. Things that helped a broad swath of Americans.
Sure but who's gonna pay for that?
There are no programs for specific demographics. Poor whites also get food stamps, Medicaid, and rent assistance. Most recipients are white, due to the fact that most Americans are white.
Its also the perfect defense because republicans always say they want a "meritocracy".
@@zuzanazuscinova5209 it's not about paying, it's about investing in your society that actually gives you something for your money. Even if you're rich, you're interested in more people being able to afford more goods so they can buy your stuff or consume your services or help you grow the wealth via stocks.
John, you need to listen more in this segment. You're wrong on the DEI stuff. People want policies that give assistance to individual hardships. If there are more individuals of one group than another that qualify for assistance due to individual hardships, fine. But, if you want to give assistance to groups irrespective of the individual circumstances, that is what people don't like.
Jon’s interviewing skills have skyrocketed since his Apple show! Back on his first run, the guests always seemed a bit like an afterthought. But now he really balances humor with really trying to dig deep in issues he cares about.
He was like that before. Just took him a little time to get his groove back
I’ll say this, while I love the comedy in the Daily Show I have loved both iterations of his podcasts and the long form interviews just as much.
He’s easily one of the best we’ve got. He has something of a tendency to get bogged down with semantics, which I think is what’s happening here. This is probably a microcosm for what’s dividing Americans at large. Maybe we just need help with the “branding”.
@@sassenachdragon same!
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This was a terrible interview. Watch it again, and pay attention to how many times John interrupts the guy, and speaks over him. You can literally see the guy give up halfway through the interview, realizing that any time he tries to make a point, he's going to be interrupted. So, he starts waiting a few seconds before speaking, just to see if he's gonna get the airtime.
This is literally one of the worst interviews John Stewart has ever done. Objectively. Really poorly executed.
WOW, honest conversation without "hate, and name calling". A chance to give thought to both sides of an argument. They actually parted as friends.
Thank you Jon and the Daily Show for always being journalist and comedians. I just hope this show sticks around and we have another election in four years.
When you lose again? MAGA.
please. he tries ill give that but he is confused by the natural reaction to woke for his paycheck
And I just hope Jon runs for president in 2028🥹
@@mewre2062 you mean like electing biden in 2020? woke is just right wing nonsense buzzword to demonise anything that is the other or non white non straight. Any sort of empathy to minority groups is labelled woke. It has lost all meaning
I’m not laughing
Refreshing interview. I particularly like Stewart’s honesty about his blind spot on DEI and wokeism.
Unfortunately Ruy really chose his words carefully and didn’t really spell it out.
Ruy should’ve just referenced Jon’s monologue earlier in the show where he made jokes about the ‘diversity’ of the new democrat seats?! 😂That’s DEI in action,
DEI prioritises optics and the structure over merit and outcomes.
THIS!!!!
This is not true of what DEI is. opponents say is that Any black person with a job is considered DEI.
@ that was my point exactly
That's a strawman. The real issue is people with no qualifications
I get how many workers could say Democrats don't have their back. What I'll never understand is how anyone could then say 'the GOP does have my back. They do represent me, and not billionaires and corporations. '
It's all about liberal tears and burning the system down. They don't actually believe in anything. Make sense now?
I think they resonate with Trump's anger onder having been made to feel less than. Trump days it's ok for them to feel angry and want revenge.
@@jujubesification thats bc hes a populist demagogue feeding them what they want to hear with empty promises and "concepts" of plans
They just didn't vote. That's what happened.
It’s not hard understand when you look at how much time Trump has put into reaching and talking directly to working class white people. That’s all it takes for them.
An excellent discussion. I wouldn’t overlook Johns throwaway line” people aren’t really readers anymore”.
John, I love you and much of America loves you, but on certain issues you are just not listening anymore. I know you always said you were an entertainer first, and you won our hearts that way, but you earned our trust when you mediated between contentious factions with a stout heart and an open mind. You are going to have to come to grips that some of your underlying assumptions were wrong, or accept becoming partisan, uninspiring, and irrelevant. I don't think anyone who is part of the solution wants that for you.
17:10 Jon says “republicans never get pushback on what they say” Jon’s entire job is pushing back on what they say along with every other late night show and main stream “news” outlet
zero self-awareness
Yeah I could have done a spit take there. They get plenty of pushback, and the democrats do plenty of name calling, falling afoul of Godwin's law at every opportunity and labeling anyone with a different opinion some flavour of *ist or *phobe.
I dropped out of the Democratic Party 12 years ago. I found it too feckless and weak, dependent on billionaires, not liberal enough, and disconnected from the working class.
And where did you go to?
I left the party here in California when my wife got really ill . We could only afford coverage for her plus the co pays for her treatment. California Democrats fined me $700 ( it’s $900 now) for not being able to afford insurance. Yet , illegal immigrants who have had a profoundly negative effect on the construction industry I work in , get free healthcare for themselves and their kids until 26. That was a Faq U from the Democrats to the working people of California. I’m Latino descended from legal immigrants. When Democrats couldn’t make common sense distinctions between legal and illegal immigration , man woman , volunteer or victim , I left.
@@kagyu1 There is no mandate to have insurance in the year 2024, so you're lying
Sorry guys, I have Medicare for all (VA healthcare) so I wouldn't know about any mandated. Decommidify healthcare... ask Trump. Make Healthcare a human right
So now you're a fascist? Got it.
@@kagyu1I understand the frustration with the less ideal parts of the Affordable Care Act. I will say that the Republicans and the very conservative US Supreme Court made changes after it was passed that made it less effective for people. Democrats wanted to have a public option included in the affordable care act, which would have meant that when you were not able to afford the private insurances, you would instead be able to select a public insurance option, so you would still be covered. An independent Senator, Arlen Spector, who a little later became a Republican, blocked the Obama administration from being able to include the public option in the bill. 😢
I also think it isn’t quite fair to hold current immigrants to the same standard as in the past. The process is much more difficult and takes much longer now than it did when your parents were able to do the process legally. I’m not saying it was easy for them either - I am sure they had to work hard and sacrifice to do it, and that is admirable. But it is much more challenging now. The backlogs are terrible, and the costs are extremely high. In addition, people are fleeing from a lot of hardship now - extreme violence from which they wish to save their families, and environmental disasters that did not exist a couple of generations ago.
And I will say, I think people do not take into account how much Democrats have tried to pass comprehensive immigration reform - and been stopped by Republicans who only want to approach immigration on a couple of fronts, and won’t look at the system comprehensively. It could be a lot more fair and orderly if they would.
He is saying you have to help all disadvantaged people not just those whom are black, Hispanic, or any other minority. Majority people are disadvantaged to.
because they are the majority, they have the largest amount of disadvantaged people
Not in the same ways.
People are trying really hard not to understand this very basic concept. They want the entire democratic party to just be identity politics. Pro-war, Wall Street corporate identity politics. Yeah, I'd say they've lost their way. Will they learn any of the appropriate lessons this time around? I highly doubt it.
@@abctalkies6981 True, but do those ways not also matter is the question. Can we not all help each other? I think his basic point is, do you want to get $hit done? Your PR is bad, fix it. Make things universal, then send the money to the places that need it the most (which will be places disproportionately affected by systemic racism). poor/working class white people feel abandoned, and it's basically just true. Republicans claim that they care but we all know that's bs, and Democrats don't act like they care either. It builds resentment in people who could be friends and allies. I'm white and I care about everyone else, and I'll be honest, it does feel like no one gives af about me. I don't let it smother my compassion or my logic about the reality of racism or the disproportionate struggles of other ethnicities, but it does hurt my feelings sometimes. And I can easily see why people fall for the right's rhetoric. Why are we allowing ourselves to be divided when we are stronger together?
@@abctalkies6981and that’s the problem with the coalition. While I agree black and Hispanic people often start at a more disadvantaged level, if we’re comparing one disadvantage to the other, then there’s bound to be tension, whereas universal programs mean that we’re all in it together. If we don’t learn that lesson, then we will continue to lose.
This is a simple is/ought problem. Ruy is saying the problem IS people dont like DEI and Jon is saying well they OUGHT to like it! and Ruy says... ok but they dont... and Jon says but they ought to... but they dont... but they ought... but they dont
But also, they ought not to because social Marxism is idiotic.
Different versions of DEI
@ there are no different versions of DEI, only different degrees of the same bad idea. It’s all forced discriminatory policy on immutable characteristics such as race, gender, and sexuality. All derived from the cultural Marxist ideology of CRT.
Jon Stewart needs to acknowledge that the Woke and SJW orientation of the party is causing the problems instead of denying it and straw manning the issue
Jon was talking over this guy to the point that he got understandably irritated. It turned from an interview into a debate that Jon was trying to win without really listening to the other side.
The only problem with his idea that all they’re going to do is move the goalpost and rebrand it. That’s literally how the term “woke” was co-opted.
As disappointing as it is to hear that people don’t like the terms because it means we’re continuing to ignore the elephant in the room, I’m okay with playing ball if it means we can pass legislation that genuinely benefits everyone and is what’s best for us as a society.
Correct. My main problem with the right is their inability to understand the importance of individual rights, or as they call it "wokeness." Right now we have a dictator coming to power, a group he has dehumanized (illegal immigrants) and groups he intends to dehumanize (migrants who he is already lumping in with illegal immigrants, racial minorities, LGBTQ+ people), and a tribe of people who believe he can do no wrong. What that leads to is a tyranny of the majority in which if Trump wants to abuse someone he doesn't like from a minority group, he has a government of loyalists who will not stand up to him to safeguard minority rights and a population that refuses to believe/accept that the targeted minority is in danger. What this leads to is a country where EVERYONE has to think and act like the majority, because if they think or speak or act different in the wrong place and at the wrong time, they are done. Examples of this are India, Mexico, Dubai, etc. Every single person will have moments where they don't think "like everyone else" and will have to constantly watch over their own thoughts to avoid getting into trouble. No one will be allowed to relax their shoulders and breathe.
RWers want to erase individual rights to self-determination and create a populist country where everyone must live and speak and think only in the ways approved by "the majority," which will quickly become the president since the administration is already getting rid of checks and balances to his power. They are anti-freedom.
I agree. It’s disappointing to me that democrats just took on social issues because *at the time* it was popular.
Nobody wants to talk about the actual elephant in the room and I worry that discrimination is going to go back to being normalized because we can’t accept DEI policies. However, if people are willing to play ball somehow than I guess we’ll see.
Stewart never leaves his echochamber. Plenty of people he could talk to who will challenge him far better than this guy.
No Democrats let themselves get hijacked by their own voices that echoed woke, a combination of right wing plants, loud members of marginalized groups, and the head nodding majority of the Democratic body who want to be allies. You cannot make a coalition of marginalized groups if you magnify the more hostile end of each one of those groups. Each group has to police its own voices to meet in the middle of America to form a coalition.
Ruy has a point: actually being open about a goal of helping blacks and Latinos will never win, because that's not what American society wants to see.
I don't think Jon knows how DEI is being used in hiring, or just like many Democrats can't talk about it.
John, I agree with your guest on DEI.
You need more than two parties. Problem solved.
That would be bad for the political cartel.
Anastasisization - YES!! 💯💯
A third party is the future!
And it always will be…
@@NomenClature-o8s Three parties still isn't that great, but it's definitely better than two.
@@Anastasisization well then, you should go start a new one.
Now that was an informative, insightful and interesting discussion and debate. Wish there had been more of this in the year leading up to the election. People might have listened.
I absolutely agree with Ruy Teixeira here. This is the Key.
I’m a person of color and I believe Universal social programs ie health care, education, something to address housing and food insecurity would serve me better than whatever DEI initiatives my work place is running
How are our problems BOTH being unwilling to move forward with a progressive agenda AND being “too “Woke” and pro-DEI”?????
Because no one in power is even remotely "too woke", it's just bs the Republicans say
Progressive agenda focus more on welfare which clearly wasn't prioritized, while too woke means they invested more on cultural problems which isn't priority.
If you are a TERF or a transphobe or a racist in the DNC it's real easy to believe.
Simple: go woke, go broke.
Get it yet? You'd better get hip.
Agreed. He was frustratingly wish-washy. Creating policies that address our country’s systemic issues shouldn’t be controversial. We are not going to turn a blind eye to systemic racism because a large swathe of poor white people believe minorities are eating away their opportunities to succeed.
Wow, this was a fantastic, provocative conversation that no one else is having. It hit the bullseye for relevance (actual, not statistical). Thank you, Jon.
There actually are these conversations, it's just not from the legacy media anymore.
As has been my opinion for years, people - americans - care about DEI or the suffrage of marginalized communities when it's convenient to their wallets. Any policy is irrelevant if I can't afford to eat today. And in such a case I should be expected to feel favorably towards candidates that acknowledge or pretend to care about my problems.
Exactly. You can't focus on the minority if the majority is suffering. People are selfish. You either have political strategy/policy in line with human nature or you will fail.
Yes, which is why they do it. A universal policy would help more people and offer less of a distraction from the oligarchs that caused the problem in the first place.
It’s funny that John doesn’t understand the DEI “BS.” It’s unpopular; people hate it because they feel talked down to. It unnecessary, counterproductive, and only benefits very specific groups. Instead, we should focus on creating opportunities for everyone.
Ruy Teixeira was on point! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Jon wasn’t listening at the end. Very frustrating. Shouting down an Ivy League prof is not a great look, particularly when it’s a guy as agreeable as Ruy.
Guy that rightwing conspiracy nuts credit with the great replacement theory...it's guys like this that can't say they are racist but drone on and on about DEI and woke without being able to define the exact policies these entail that they are against.
Why is Stewart having such a hard time understanding this DEI thing?!?! 🤦🏾♂️
you can't wake up a person who's pretending to be asleep
I enjoyed this conversation
I liked how they agreed and how they disagreed
And I think a majority of the disagreement falls into an argument of semantics & definitions. Teixeira does a great job, I think, of pointing out how general concepts are commonly supported but specific programs and/or how the democrats try to sell those programs to people is the issue
First time I ever saw a clip from someone (in any show) and became interested in buying their book
yes...i completely agree. i was just thinking the same thing...need to get my kindle charged up...lol!
I think that part at the end needs to be clarified and shouted more: the "centre" of politics based on what the majority of people want is _progressive._ When presented without political labels, people on the whole are more favourable of progressive policies than liberal or conservative policies. Which is why it's so incredibly frustrating that the Democrats keep chasing the conservatives and not the progressives, just dragging the country to the Right and away from giving people what they want and need!
Centrism isn't "progressive". Stop trying to make that happen.
@@gfys756Centrism isn't popular and it isn't a winning strategy. Stop trying to force it on the people and the party.
@@lchaney Wrong. Centrism is the most popular political viewpoint, because most people don't spend much time worrying about politics.
@gfys756 that's not what centrism is you extremist. You people are so weird. Centrism is often called "the third way" and is not "progressive" AT ALL. Centrism is about keeping the Status Quo.
Also, Kamala Harris Ran a centrist campaign by your definition and LOST!
@gfys756 centrism is what corporations want
Universal programs would work. The people who need those services will use them, the ones who don't, won't.
Wrong. The rich will always use whatever they can. Always. Anything to save a buck.
@@grymjaw That's because the systems are universal. Everyone can use them. The point is no one will get better treatment from that universal system because they have more means.
@@thegazetteyt It will still make the rich richer...
@@appaatemomo-freePalestine You need to drop the communist rhetoric in what is arguably the most capitalist country in the world. Universal care isn’t about punishing the rich; it’s about helping everyone. Sure, the wealthy might benefit too-but that’s beside the point. The bigger picture is that universal care lifts everyone, and focusing on how it also helps the rich misses the mark. Blocking it because the rich won’t have to pay for it is shortsighted. Imagine refusing free, life-saving water just because the rich person next to you also doesn’t have to pay for it-that’s a truly absurd way to think.
Just like the Covid small business grants, the people who need them most won't be informed how to get them and there will be insiders in the system (was it John Robert's wife who got a painting grant?) who defraud all the money away.
We are still here! You need to ask: Where has our Party gone?
I don’t know about that. Whichever candidate loses, their voters always do this blame game thing where they try to Monday morning quarterback the campaign. It’s the people that dropped the ball on this one. Trumps crimes and attacks on democracy are well documented. Making him president again has effectively ended anything we ever stood for.
Not surprising to see Jon Stewart misunderstand DEI or wokism, but it also explains everything about him.
About the New Deal-You’re both sort of right. It was centrist in that it didn’t fundamentally challenge existing socioeconomic arrangements, but it was radical in terms of the scope of federal response to a crisis.
I would point out many people back in that time saw it as a challenge to socioeconomic norms. Ayn Rand for example was born out of opposition to the New Deal. They saw it as a step towards communism and fought furiously to cement the arguments and opposition that still oppose expanding government programs and interventions.
Yeah no, it absolutely was a massive departure from the lasse fare policies of the guilded age, so much so they the… I think it was the PWD? (Acronym might be wrong,) which was by far the most effective new deal policy, was repealed almost immediately for being “communist.”
@@TylerWardhaha You’re correct, right wingers considered it socialism, just as they considered Woodrow Wilson’s new freedom socialism and the great society too. They’re cranks.
@@TylerWardhaha You’re correct-But this has been the case for every liberal reform program before and after FDR. Right wingers call literally anything socialism, that doesn’t make it so.
@@Pizzaenjoyer__84 I agree. With you, elements of socialism or welfare doesn’t equal communism in any sort of sense.
love the discussion! thank you for the upload
This was a robust, mature, informed and deeply insightful conversation... ON COMEDY CENTRAL!!!
Jon Stewart has a way to present intricately complex problems & arguments in such a way that most of my University professors couldnt. Kudos Mr Stewart. I thank you 👏
Jon, it is frustrating that you pretend thatv you don't understand the issues at hand here. Coming from a very big fan.
People want things to be fair FOR THEM. and sometimes they see all the advantages going to others. And at that point it seems unfair.
All the advantages? How many people do you think are really negatively affected? Its victim mentality.
@@godislove544the guest cited grievances from individuals in Chicago who felt like their requests for aid are ignored. While witnessing assistance to migrants.
Whether one agrees with the sentiment, this viewpoint isn't unique.
@@neilxpeart The irony of this is who is really given much more in the way of advantages and assistance is big business, which the republicans always cater to. It is a strategy to make fellow men/women turn and think the other like them, is the enemy. It is a great distraction from looking up at who is really exploiting them. CEOs, stock holders are making profits like never before, while the wealth gap has become a chasm. Walmart, one of the richest families in the world, has the largest percentage of its workers using social programs like food stamps. Other companies are notorious for not paying taxes, like Amazon, who uses taxpayer funded roads to run their business. When big business suffer, like was caused by tRumps tariffs did to farmers and big ag, tax payers bailed them out to the tune of nearly 20 BILLION. We as the common citizens need to realize who has been and really is getting an unfair advantage and how corporations are determined to enrich themselves while not paying employees at times even a living wage.
@@godislove544I think the grievance of the working class has been largely ignored by the Democratic party. Or when there are successes, like the infrastructure bill, they don't champion the legislation.
I do think the people vs corporations fight will be difficult without Democrats really pushing concrete labor reforms. Even in California, they couldn't push through their minimum wage referendum or Medicare for all.
Part of the problem is that white folks generally don’t see the many gov’t programs that disproportionately help them at the expense of others (The New Deal era programs like FHA loans and unemployment insurance that largely excluded Black and Latino people are but two of the many examples). And then they ban the books and the courses that would actually teach people this history so that they can cling to the myth of “I made it on my own!”.
It reminds me of how conservatives like Romneycare, but don't like Obamacare. It's all in the labeling
Romney is a white, male, Christian representative. Obama is Black, it’s a simple equation. America has always been racist and sexist. It was built in to the colonizing of the country.
Yet it’s actually the affordable care act. Which does not infer a democrat or republican.
I don't see it as the same. People don't want programs that benefit poor blacks over poor whites. They're fine with programs to help poor people. Rich white liberals telling poor whites that it's ok to discriminate against them because other white people did well is infuriating to those people.
Obama is a war criminal
@@JD-ir2sb But a woman posted online that her neighbor came over after the election saying she voted for Trump but didn't know he was trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, so she was regretting her decision, the other neighbor asked her how she didn't know because Trump spoke about it all during the election. The MAGA voter said she voted to get rid of ObamaCare, not the ACA. Her neighbor had to explain they were the same thing and the neighbor was mortified. The neighbor inferred racism and so did I.
Great interview
John, this is the first time I've heard you being aggressive and not letting your guest make his point. He's trying to tell you DEI is racist, and there are non-racist ways to do the same.
Spot on. The interruptions/jokes did nothing to help Jon lean more about his DEI blind spot. Frustrating.
A poor black man has different needs than a rich black man. They are not the same just because their skin is black. Assuming so, is inherently racist. That’s the point the guys was making. John didn’t want to listen.
Doh! MAGA bots
@@davidmartin4683and that’s why dems lost. Every time us independents try to problem solve and think of ways to help everybody regardless of race/culture we are called MAGA. If you want us independents to be MAGA so badly, maybe us independents should all vote MAGA in two years and bail on the dem party entirely.
@@davidmartin4683 #BlueMAGA right here
I mean, it's kinda obvious why democrats are not laser focused. The Democrat coalition is very broad, and therefore consensus is harder. The Republican party is more homogeneous and they run on a pretty narrow platform.
Their focus is only scattered because they're not focused on universal policies that will help _all_ of their base. Y'know, like Medicare for All, paid sick leave + extending annual leave, raising the minimum wage and abolishing the sub-minimum wage. Make policies that help everybody _regardless_ of demographic and you will more effectively target your entire base _regardless_ of its diversity!
Of course, you can't _only_ do universal policies when some groups have been historically disadvantaged; you need to also deal with those disadvantages directly. But right now, the Democrats are _only_ focusing on a patchwork of policies aimed at smaller groups without those universal policies that wrap everything up together!
It's because the dems serve two masters while the Republicans only serve ONE, CAPITAL
@Respectable_Username The problem is that liberal/conservative is mixed with left/right economic policies. How can you have focus if both are clubbed together? You have democrats that are millionaires/billionaires because of liberal social agenda and support senators and congressmen but clearly want a more capitalist policy for their corporations. I still will never understand how the republicans convinced the poor conservative to vote against their own economic interests.
@@nullpointer5603 "I still will never understand how the republicans convinced the poor conservative to vote against their own economic interests." - Maybe they think their economic interests are different from what CNN and Jon Stewart claim their economic interests are.
Maybe they think DEI programs and open borders are impacting their salaries and chances to find jobs negatively?
Crazy, I know - but that's what lack of college education gets you.
@@jeronimo196 they're incorrect. They have been abandoned by the Dems and Republicans found a scapegoat in immigrants. Divide and conquer. There's a reason why Trump chose to say Mexico is not sending their best
Why is it so hard to see that DEI is just discrimination and racism. It’s not complicated. You have to raise everyone up, not pick winners and losers based on identity.
Because its objectively not.
No one has ever been picked in spite of merit because of any quotas - thats just you not knowing what the words mean lol
By that logic programs to help working class, are discrimination and racism.
@maeschender That is objectively false. Almost everyone knows of some 'diversity hire" that has happened in their company... because management confused equality of opportunity with equality of results (since the latter produces a number they can show others).
I know what Affirmative Action does, but what does DEI do?
This was such a refreshing conversation and I think truly highlights the disconnect between both sides. I saw someone said that it felt like they were talking about two different things and I think that's the exact issue. If we could have more of these conversations to iron out the misunderstandings and get on the same page, I think a lot more would get done in government and just in society in general.
This is easy. Bring _everyone_ into those social welfare programs, and deliver the best healthcare and education on the planet to _everyone_ who pays taxes at no cost. No means testing, no complicated qualification or gatekeepers. Yes, some insurance accountants will lose their jobs. We call it “disruption” when malignant muppets like Elon Musk do it, but it’s “killing jobs” when the public sector does it for the broad benefit of society at large?
The USA spends more money on healthcare and education than any other nation on the planet. It isn't working.
I actually learned something from a late night talk show. This guest makes so much sense and articulates himself so well.
I agree. This was a breath of fresh air. He brought up a number of frequent right-leaning bullet points (e.g. helping poor people is fine as long as race isn't a criterion, immigration spikes, inflation spikes), but he was given the reign to articulate his points and they were able to have a productive conversation because he doesn't have an "R" next to his name. Very nice to see.
@@LlamaMan321 That's not right-leaning that Social-democrat Bernie Sanders stance.
One of the best interviews about policy or politics I've ever seen. The grip of the people who have made some of these arguments unspeakable is finally weakening, and in comes the sunlight.
Ruy is absolutely correct in what he said and the way he explained it. The differences between his viewpoint and what Jon was describing/defending are tenuous but real and very, very important.
Deregulations? Regulations are in place to protect the health of American people. Without keeping corporations from dumping toxic chemicals in our air, water and food supplies. How can anyone downplay the devastating impact of deregulation? Our lives depend on the regulations the government has in place. Corporations don't care if they poison our environment to the point where everyone needs hospitalization. All they care about is making greater profits. They NEED to be regulated. They're too selfish and corrupt to regulate themselves.
Jon - let me help you on the ‘woke’ stuff.
Most people want some form of ‘special treatment’ in society. But they want it based on people’s circumstances, not their identity.
They want people helped and lifted up because they’re poor. Not white and poor, or black and poor, or make and poor, and so on… but helped in a way that’s alive to circumstance but blind to identity.
Post-2010ish ‘wokeness’ is based on a view that certain people are inherently ‘privileged’ because of their skin colour, etc etc, and others are inherently ‘victims’ or oppressed. That’s come to be seen as reverse-prejudiced and reverse-discriminatory by a lot of struggling working-class swing voters, and carries a lot of resentment with it.
And we know the right wants the left to be perceived as ‘woke’, because it’s whole propaganda machine is obsessed with weaponising that impression.
Also Democrats only really push "woke" stuff. They refuse to take a stance on anything else out of fear of upsetting their donors.
Go woke, go broke.
The Right is obsessed with it now because the Left was obsessed with it for a decade, with distastrous results. This is like cutting your own arm off and then saying 'my opponent in this duel is taking advantage of me missing an arm'.
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE! This would deliver to everyone and would improve lives.
U want more inflation bob😂
Great. Sure. Yeah. But missing from this discussion is the fact that Repubs will yell "SOCIALISM". They do not want ANY government programs. They think, as Ronny Raygun said, "government is the problem."
@@Sataka23clips Connect the dots, please
@@spongo Government spending causes inflation, but in this case it would be offset by taxes and the reality that if everybody is getting regular medical care, any resultant inflation would be offset by savings in terms of unnecessary treatment.
You mean socialized medicine like Canada everyone has it yeah you might want to ask a few Canadians about that it's a disaster
Very interesting and intelligent guest. I wish Jon did not interrupt and talk over him so much.
Jesus let the guy talk
Didn't realize how warped Jon's ideas of DEI are and how unpopular it is and WHY
They won't admit to that. Ever. It's not the major issue, as the interviewee stated, but it's an issue.
DEI dismantles one of the most important life disciplines that make our country strong and our people motivated. With DEI widely implemented, grades don’t matter to students, skin colors and family backgrounds do; job performance doesn’t matter in promotions at workplace, skin colors do. Even worse, according to the Critical Race Theory, which is associated with DEI, the unequal social and economic outcomes existing in our society are not caused by fair competition, work ethics or hardworking but by systematic racism and white supremacy…therefore, the US is an unjust country and needs to be changed by the wokeism and progressionism
I respect and love Jon for being so steadfast about driving his points, but I wish he’s let his guests speak and not railroad over them sometimes.
Nailed it.
John was trying to defend his point of view without even listening. I never seen John in such a bubble that he refuses to listen to another person trying to explain a different point of view.
Jon, you poor soul still has no idea why people hate DEI. go talk to some real youtubers
"Build Universal Programs..." but "Don't call it DEI, Don't call it Reparations, Don't call it anything like that because those are really unpopular"
Not a lot of analysis of how those things became unpopular as a function of coordinated and racially motivated propaganda from the right, paired with insufficient push back from the center because of class interests shared between those two groups and their stranglehold on the media.
Unsaid in response to this is the question,
What's to stop the next "anything like that" from being unjustly demonized and nitpicked to death as a stun lock stall tactic by the capital classes?
Just like all their predecessors.
There will never be a language which is accepted, because it is not the language, but the meaning which is offensive to the status quo and all the people big and small who benefit from it. It's not the map, but the terrain itself, which is stymied by design.
Class Reductionism in place of Intersectionality is just appeasement, the same way they dismiss the concerns of minorities is the same way they will dismiss the working class given the opportunity, and you can't gain power without solidarity so they will ever have the opportunity until we develop a radical and durable solidarity of "both and".
Class is intersectionality, class is the only thing most people have in common, it's the ultimate intersectionality, the term "class reduction" is a right-wing propaganda, are u a fed?
Victims are are crying. Yawn.
@@HasnaaAlaa This is a very wrong assessment,
You are misunderstanding the basic definition of intersectionality. An intersection by definition is the crossing of two axis. Class is a single axis and though it intersects many people in a colloquial sense, it is a misuse of the term to apply it to class alone as a single identity factor in this context. Class + Race + Gender + Sexuality + Religion + any other identity bigotry are the lines which intersect. People being singularly affected by an axis are still oppressed, but not intersected in the actual use of this term in the proper academic context. The intersection is the person for whom multiple oppression axis intertwine and synergize on their person.
"Intersectionality opposes analytical systems that treat each axis of oppression in isolation."
Class Reduction is the corollary of intersectionality, it is one of the subset of things which are defined above as a thing which it opposes.
In the same way that it is wrong to say that every injustice a black person faces is because of racism, race reduction, or every injustice a woman faces is because of misogyny, gender reduction, class reduction is also wrong for its exclusion of compounded factors, it's an overly simplistic characterization of reality which serves only those who only suffer from class oppression.
It is a very neoliberal rot mindset to reduce the whole of the world of social justice into materialist market transactions, as though there is no such thing as psychological in group bias independent of materialism.
@chasebemis1976 class is still the only factor that spans all races, genders, sexualities etc... U can't understand oppression without the lense of class, why did rich European settlers bring African slaves to America? For free labor, even the Israeli apartheid has elements on the bases of class, Palestinians are used as cheap labor without any rights, it's impossible to build a large collation of people without offering something that benefits the majority of people, only economics can span ethnic backgrounds, it unites people, this academic speech u just gave is great in PhDs circles it doesn't help in building a movement or progress or getting people together to fight for something, that's why Dems lost, they ignored materialism, they are beholden to their big business Doners just like republicans so they can't actually propose a populist leftist economic policy that the US desperately needs, so all they have left is posturing on some social issues that they don't actually have any solutions to or actually care about and drop the second it's convenient, why don't u people ever admit that universal programs will disproportionately uplift minorities in this country? Isn't that what u want? It's both a winning message and a winning policy, the economy was the number 1 issue for most Americans especially latinos and POCs, I am for criminal justice reform but if u wanna win people over u have to have an economic plan in the forefront coz again class is the glue that holds societies together, class consciousness is the only way to fight fascism
For people who don't get the woke criticism, just look at the democrat representative that commented on boys in girls sports. Even though he was concerned for his daughters, and democrats lost the election, they're coming after him. He said he was afraid to comment because of backlash. So yes, people rightfully perceive democrats as the woke party, where dissent is not allowed and is immediately conflated as hatred.
Really? I have a lot of dem friends and none of them want trans people in sports. Dissent is definitely allowed
it's bigotry. separate but 'equal'. It's not just dissent, it's direct discrimination against an incredibly marginalized group. And the 'concerns' are pure mis/disinformation. But there are so few trans people that nobody cares to educate themselves and most are fine in their hatred/disgust for people who just want to live their lives like everyone else.
@@__carly__ 'Biology' is misinformation now. And you wonder why people hate you so much they'd vote for a guy like Donald Trump over your candidate
I never seen a guest handle himself so well against discussion with Jon. Also got that rizz 😎
How do you have a labor movement in an economy of gig jobs? Organizing gig workers is forbidden by law. In Massachusetts, 52 percent of voters supported the basic right to organize by gig drivers. The Democrats are working for their billionaire donors. Have billionaires and their corporations pay their fair share of taxes. That would end our deficit. THAT is seen as RADICAL LEFT SOCIALIST.
Billionaires and corporations love the rhetoric of taxing them more. They have teams of lawyers and accountants that will ensure they aren’t taxed. They hate tariffs, because most of their wealth comes from playing international arbitrage with resources, money, workers and consumers on different continents. Now do you understand why the billionaires support the dems overwhelmingly? Do you see why France and Germany with strong tariffs have strong unions and manufacturing sectors while the US and UK have adopted free trade, lost their manufacturing and only have strong banking??
@@atomicsmith Because you are spot on should Billionaires be allowed to exist at all?
@@walterwz “be allowed”? You would have to provide more information on what mechanism you’re proposing to disallow them. We just outlined that taxation won’t do it. If your solutions are inspired by French history, the Bolsheviks or the Great Leap Forward, you should know none of those things worked out well for anyone.
When Jon Stewart did the whole, "The Problem with White People," he lost all respect.
The Problem with Wealthy Celebrities.
Where did they go? if they're like me they switched and voted Republican
We didn't vote "Republican" we voted for TRUMP.
The battles over the next four years isn't going to fought against Democrats... democrats are done. It's going to be a fight against the establishment Republicans, the ones afraid of losing access to the infectious, and incestuous, revolving door between public and private, but most of all afraid of ACCOUNTABILITY.
Which is why Trumps cabinets picks are THE RIGHT PICKS, and why they're going to be he most attacked, and villainized individuals in American political history.
For the first time in modern history, the stage is set for the establishment to lose, and the people to win.
Restitution is not made through DEI... restitution begins at OPPORTUNITY.
Equality of opportunity is the ONLY way... and everyone supports it.
Equality of OUTCOME is a disastrous and murderous doctrine, and that is how it's been acted out everywhere it has existed in the 20th century.
That was a fun interview for sure, loved hearing these opposing views...we need more of this
If Mr. Stewart genuinely believes that woke is "an hour seminar..." he is indeed sadly mistaken--and misses entirely what is going on.
Because he hasn't had to deal with DEI, Jon is in a bubble.
I agree. Plus, even if it is only an hour- I reject it.
Stewart needs to LISTEN. He says he doesn't understand then JUMPS right in when the guest tries to explain it. And, BTW- POOR IS POOR! No matter what your skin color!
But a brown poor person is at way more of a disadvantage than a white poor person. A white poor person will be treated better by society, has a better chance of getting a raise, a loan, and a smile from people passing by. That's reality. DEI tries to course-correct this issue. It is not perfect, and call these programs what you want, but this county is still trying to equalize things through policies such as these. When a black person can marry a white person without ANYONE having an opinion about it, we can consider ourselves "equalized".
Great interview and refreshing dialogue. This is how we should discuss issues.
Ruy is a brilliant guy. Jon should listen harder. If you want to accept more disadvantaged people into high profile universities, you either have to reject Asian kids who qualified or spend the money to expand the programs to make room for disadvantaged candidates. The former strategy dominates and people don't like it. It's the DEI strategy that people reject, not the DEI goals.
Brilliant interview. Especially at the very end finding common ground on discussing Roosevelt's New Deal. Jon always finds a way to understand someone even if it drives him to the edge.
15:15 Don't applaud at that. Teixeira is correct in what he's saying, not Jon. Jon's right about a lot of things but he has a pretty clear and big misunderstanding of this topic, and what he just said - and most of what he's said on this topic - is largely incorrect.
Stewart is always almost there. lol
I guess I’ll subscribe again and pray for ya John.
How many times have we heard, "I didn't leave the Democrats, they left me."
So far, once
@@spongo You haven't been listening to well then.
To be fair, this was often said by old racists after the civil rights act
@@HostileHairline To be fairer, that's not why these are leaving.