10 Obscure Ports from the Spectrum/C64 to NES | Kim Justice
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- You don't often see games from the ZX Spectrum and C64 make their way to the NES but they certainly happened, and usually under odd circumstances -- they could be unlicensed, they could tie-in with a movie, they could be only available on Famicom...there's all sorts of curios here, even if most of them are kinda bad. Enjoy!
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Love how faithful Robocop 2 is to the film. Remember that scene where Murphy had to jump around in the BIG COG Factory to rescue all the screaming women ripping out their hair? Such a classic.
Lol. Like teenage mutant ninja/hero turtles on the nes (first one) - love those enemies - they all appear in the cartoon....flying bats and hooded dudes with chainsaws etc....
@@orderofmagnitude-TPATP This is what I mean. You just don't get those kind of faithful recreations any more. It's a sad era for gaming when you don't just take a movie franchise and make it into a platformer, whether it belongs there or not.
_"He's caught the anime virus. Poor thing..."_
x3
This line made my evening, thank you Kim.
I used to love Platoon on the C64. It could technically be counted as one of the first FPS games, even though it's faux 3D.
I'm guessing that Ultimate's historical relationship with Jaleco was a factor in the creation of the Knight Lore port. For those who are unaware, Ultimate (as Ashby Computer Graphics / A.C.G.) used to develop arcade games for Jaleco.
One of em was Legend of Makai
I woke up this morning thinking “I really need to hear Kim Justice today. I wonder which I’ll rewatch”. Some days things just work out serendipitously.
Awesome when that happens.
A lot of EA and Cinemaware games got ported to the NES. Plus Wizardry 1-3, Might and Magic 1, Bard's Tale, Pool of Radiance...
Yeah... i find ports fascinating - i take it you watch Battle of the ports? Absolutely love Mark... hes great at what he does.
Robin Hood: Legend Quest also had an Amiga version. The graphics were so obviously ripped off from GODS it was hilarious.
Awesome vid as always - I had Robocop 1 & 2 on ST, and always found the latter rock hard - did not realise just how different the various ports of it wre from each other though. And can we talk for a second about the continue screen at 4:57 - jesus christ how fucking terrifying!
Take a drink every time someone/something is described as almighty.
i would be almighty pissed
But I want to live!
Dont have enuff drink in the house
To bad there wasnt a game called almighty, then it would be the almight almighty😂
Aww, how did you not cover the Japanese Famicom port of Nebulus? It would have been perfect for a "weird" port!!!
Another great video Kim, Good to see Castelian, When i was a kid i was amazed by the graphics of that one lol Never seen that 3d effect in a Nes game before
lol. Maybe it's the programmer in me, but I have a hard time seeing consoles and microcomputers as all that different.
Doesn't help that there are a few systems that were both...
I mean, there was a consolised C64... The XEGS...
Both of those are essentially stripped down microcomputers.
Though arguably the XEGS isn't even that, since it has a keyboard, and still supports all the accessories of the Atari XE computers...
And of course the Atari 5200, which is literally an atari 8 bit micro with less RAM and slightly different OS ROM, but with all the connectors that the micros had removed.
(In fact, the entire Atari 8 bit microcomputer chipset started life as a console, but was reworked to make a microcomputer instead...)
And need I remind anyone why the famicom is called the famicom? Given that it originally shipped with a keyboard, tape drive, and a version of Basic?
Or, for that matter, that Nintendo's first inclination was to bring the Famicom to the US as the AVS microcomputer, but they were told this was a very bad idea?
Yeah...
The line between a microcomputer and a game console is pretty blurry, in all honesty.
Slap a keyboard on it and some writeable storage media, and your console is now a microcomputer...
Consoles are the cheap mans home computer. A substitute for the poor people.
True up to a point. RAM certainly made a decent difference.
Though storage is more ambiguous. The famicom Disk system is the same solution as a microcomputer, but for different reasons.
And the rise of the CD-ROM radically altered games both on consoles and computers...
The SNES of course was the master of hiding expansion hardware in cartridges without telling anyone.
But yes, I suppose RAM is a factor.
Though it's also a bit circular.
You see this when CD based consoles became common.
For a given level of game complexity, a CD based system needs considerably more RAM than a cartridge based one.
The Amiga needed that 512k or more of RAM as much because of how slow a floppy disk drive is as any other reason.
And that's to say nothing of the wholly transparent upgrades to storage that cartridge based systems got.
After all, the Super Mario Bros is 40 kilobytes, but towards the end of the system's life there were games using 768 kilobytes.
Cartridge based systems are a tradeoff in that regard (This is true of microcomputers as much as consoles, since frequently the microcomputers also supported cartridges alongside other options).
ROM is extremely expensive.
But on the other hand, ROM is also in many cases a direct substitute for having more RAM...
Because where you use a floppy drive (or worse, a tape), you have to copy a bunch of things into RAM that you then never modify afterwards.
All that graphics and sound data that never changes? That needs to be in RAM when your storage is slow, but can be in ROM where a cartridge is present (usually - the n64 cannot read directly from cartridge. Only DMA from the cartridge to memory. But it can still do that much faster than the alternatives.)
Cost does matter though.
This is why CD's won out after all.
If you look at the mid 90's...
If money is no object, you use a cartridge.
If you're on a budget, you use a CD (or before that, a floppy disk, and before that, a tape. In each case the justification is lower cost, primarily.)
The proof of this is the Neo Geo with it's 256 megabyte cartridges - something which the n64 also natively supports, but never had in practice.
Why? Because 64 megabytes cost $35 even in 2000, but while the Neo Geo can justify a cartridge that costs hundreds, especially for the arcade machines, a home system cannot.
Meanwhile the CD costs all of $0.10 to manufacture...
Anyway, it all just depends on how you look at things really.
A computer is a computer, underneath it all.
The rest is just form factor issues...
lol. The irony of calling the console the cheap man's option though...
I mean, yes. But the games were so much more expensive on average...
@Lassi Kinnunen Yes, it was mainly console's lack of storage - the inability to store the large temp-files and save-files required for features like persistent worlds - that led to that widening 90s gap between complex PC games and simpler console fare.
The original Xbox console was (IIRC) the first console with an internal hard-drive as standard. "As standard" is the vital part, because it meant devs could make proper use of it and could create games that required an HDD to work. Voila, previously PC-only games like Morrowind started appearing on consoles, and the gap closed.
I used to like RoboCop 2 on my C64. It was proper solid, though.
I think I liked that it was a cartridge game more than I enjoyed actually playing it, now that I think about it...
I remember Cybernoid fondly, I won it in a competition run through one of the Speccy magazines
I’ve always liked the music and the graphics of Robocop 2 on the NES. Sounds classic Jonathan Dunn to me. The game design on the other hand is pretty shit. It’s such a weird game. This was ported to the gameboy as well. Even weirder is that C64 version is a cartridge.
Just wanted to say how much I enjoy all the videos you put out! Right up my street.
Watching your channel all the time, it makes me think I was born a bit too late. Never really was around for the microcomputer era. Played a bit of the c64 that my cousin had, and I remember finding it bizzare he had games on cassettes as I'd only ever seen cartridge games. Cassettes were for music I thought, but I was only 4.
But now trying to play a lot of these games it's difficult. They're often so different in how they're designed, even compared to the consoles around at the same time. But I'm trying to persevere, and get recommendations from your videos. I do love a bit of Boulder Dash and stuff like that that's pretty much arcade game gameplay. I need to get myself one of those THE C64 consoles, or whatever it's called. Seems a lot simpler than trying to get an old one and having to learn how to program to be able to use it. But yeah there's so many gems on these computers that are great and are different and are very European, or very British, and it's such a nice contrast from playing American and Japanese games. The few European games had as a kid in the mega drive I loved to bits, like James Pond II
Great video. Best one I’ve played is Boulder Dash. Loved it on the C64 back in the day. The NES version came out 6 or so years later and has a new aesthetic but the same levels and mechanics. Great game I discovered earlier this year
off all the games here, Castelian seams the best known in the US. We ammericans got an atari7800 port under the name Tower toppler.
also fun fact: the canceled apple 2 port was to feature box art by John romero. yes, the father of the FPS.
I thought Last Starfighter was on the Atari 800XL but was called Star Raiders II sometimes.
Last Starfighter was the prototype for what would become Star Raiders II. They took so long making the game that the license wasn't relevant any more, so they rebranded it and tweaked a few things here and there. I made a vid looking at the prototype a while back if you're interested: ruclips.net/video/sc6_ac4-sNw/видео.html
@@ThisIsPete I am indeed interested. I'll check it out.
In Robocop 2 for the NES, you have to find the secret Nuke factory in stage 1 or else you will never have enough nukes to beat the stage.
Oh man. I had that Codemasters Quattro cart. It was so strange (and difficult) to me at the time but I had a lot of memories with those games.
Good ol' Jaleco Night Lore...turning werewolves into were-ALFs on command.
Bmx simulator was amongst a four pack of budget games codemasters put out nes. Jaleco released ultimate games for msx in japan on carts
1. Did the SMS get any 8 bit micro ports ?? Considering the popularity of both in Europe, a lot more might have been released.
2. 8 Bit /16 bit micro to arcade ports, or Euro Arcade games would make for an interesting episode.
Amiga / ST ports to the NES as a follow up? There's a couple I can think of off the top of my head: 'North & South', 'Rocket Ranger'.
Lol, I played the C64 version of Robocop 2 to completion.. I quite enjoyed it..
That last game I didn't see coming. A Rare game ported by another company.
Another great video Kim! I really appreciate you highlight the good (er, adequate) as well as the rubbish.
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Lol great show loved the xmas episode with the wibbly wobblys and mr. Grangers trains
Awesome job as always, Kim!
Robocop 2 on the Atari ST was a dead ringer for that Amstrad GX4000 version. It didn't look like the Amiga one.
I only recently played Cybernoid for the NES (being American, this was my first exposure to the game) and honestly... I don't see what's so bad about it, except for the weapon selection is a little twitchy. It actually seemed like a fine game to me.
I had and hated that Robocop 2 game on the Nes.Didn't know it was a port until much later
Robocop literally would slide all over the place as if on spilled oil
OK there aren't a lot of videogame facts that blow my mind at my age. But that Monty on The Run game... wow.
You really should do a video on sports to the game gear / master system. Their are some real works of art there
Pretty sure Robin Hood is principally an Amstrad CPC game, probably the other Oliver Twins too as it was their primary platform IIRC. The CPC is always getting forgotten!
*sees a Turrican on the thumbnail + Kim Justice*
*immediatly starts the video*
In the US, for some reason, the Codemasters games are looked down upon. From a technical standpoint, the programmers involved did a lot of stuff that was truly impressive and generally made the NES sing. Sure, the graphics themselves were not necessarily up to the detail of the Japanese games being released, but compared to the American developed games, they were leagues ahead, and some of the Euro originals for the system like Ultimate Stuntman seem to take more shit than I think they deserve. Again, they're not especially great to look at, but they did a lot technically and in the gameplay area, they're not too bad. If you want to compare an American effort to the average codemasters game, look at something like Ghoul School. I had the unfortunate personal goal of completing that game to see if they even finished it. They did, but damn did they cut all kinds of unnecessary corners. The Kitchen brothers aren't terrible game designers, but I feel they just didn't know the 6502 (or maybe the NES implementation of it) enough to actually just make a good game.
Anyway, thanks for another interesting video in retro game land.
that Ocean NES Robocop game uses the same engine and a lot of graphic assets as their Darkman game.
Platoon I loved on C64, Tunnel and Bunker sequences were extremely atmospheric, but it just didn't feel the same on the NES.
KUDOS to you Kim for being a Nebulus fan, played it on 8 and 16 bit systems, great game engine, appalling game
One of the best I can think of is Maniac Mansion which started life on the C64 and received a FAR superior port on the NES (even if the title was left a bit gutted by NoA’s censorship at the time)
I actually never expected good graphics from Ocean. (Platoon review)
The NES/Famicom had a large number of games ported from the MSX Computer. Zanac is one of them, and a very good one!
You should totally do a video on Tim Follin!
Okay the Robocop port is basically just a sprite swap of the Darkman NES game.
C64 Robocop 2 was an amazing game Bro... Nes conversion, was creepy unplayable true, but if you say C64 version was unplayable, that means, that problem is not the game.
For sure, was not the best Robocop game ( i don't like to see a platform, when it was possible to make it more similar to Amiga ), but as pllatform, was working pretty well.
Nes version, was too slider, i tried it on emulator, but C64, was running perfectly
Oh Kim you really do spoil us!!!
Wasn't Uridium the game in the Last Star fighter arcade cabinet in the actual film?
Not very drunk this week, not enough 'almighty's for my 'take a shot on every almighty' game. More please!
Do I say 'almighty' THAT much? :O
i never thought Knight lore was much good on the Speccy either.
I got ROBOCOP 2 on the NES for Christmas as a kid; one of the few games I actually had.... It's one of the reasons why I'm so angry and cynical as adult!
Your spot on about games loosing something in translation from C64 to NES.
Never a fan Robocop II by Data East..but Oi OCEAN,WTF were you thinking.of making Robocop a jumping platform game?
Robocop himself weighs how much?
ST and Amiga Robocop 2 play differently as well ;-)
15:18 Baby come back ♪
So they turned Monty on the Run into the official Peter Sutcliffe game!?
Platoon reminds me of Alcatraz on the Amiga. Alcatraz was a cool game and this one looks nice.
Wow what the heck with “monty on the run” on the famicom
Great video, I had no idea about the monty game
great vid, these are the ones i like to watch the most
You didn't mention it, but ya know who the Monty No Doki Doki Daisassou is supposed to represent? The Yorkshire Ripper himself, Peter Sutcliffe. I think the developers of the Famicom 'port' put a bunch of quite arbitrary elements together, based on the original's premise. A criminal likely to have made ANY sort of impact as far away as Japan, the 'on the run in northern england', plus headlines from around that time... Voila...
If there were such a way to confirm this...
Good to see new content from Kim. Keep em coming.
Such obscure games! You really know your stuff. 😁
I mostly know Quattro adventure thanks to Armake21's legendary playthrough of the game. Good lord the memories.
Love you kim you're on fire this year! Sorry i missed your last stream.
Thanks Kim. I love these videos. was feeling really bummed out and this video massively took my mind of all the crud.
She frickin does that. I commented litterally the same comment on her last upload.
@@orderofmagnitude-TPATP So nice just to live in the world of old computer games for a bit and not have to think about reality!
@@MegaHaymaster aye
I’d say Castilian is an unsung tech achievement on nes (and maybe in its og form too)
As an American I never had any hands-on experience with the Spectrum but I know the story of Ultimate Play the Game thanks to your video on them, Kim, so even I, looking at that FDS port of Knight Lore, would have to say to Jaleco that they both set their sights too high and completely missed the mark. If the whole point was to port an Ultimate game, I think something like Jetpac or Lunar Jetman would have been more within their ability and probably would have run better given the Famicom/NES's display chip is inherently tile-based.
Uridium is an amazing game. Yes waaay too hard...but addictive and amazing nonetheless
I couldn't stand Robocop 2 compared with the first Robocop on the speccy, just to much jumping on different platforms, very frustrating😔
And here I had no idea that Platoon on the NES was a port. XD
Aah Cybernoid. I loved that game!! And Nebulus on my A500+. Havent seen one of your vids for a while Kim. I'd forgotten what I was missing!!
Robocop 2 on the NES doesn’t actually look that bad if it was a random character not based on the movie title would it be that terrible?
9:41 I especially like how they didn't redraw the backgrounds in Conan as the NES can't display tiles like that natively, why use 256 pixels when you can do a fake 128. ^_^
They really f* Street Hassle/Bobn Rumble NES conversion
When playing Uridium, did anyone else turn the TV on its side so it would be an down scroller?
If you like Uridium then check out Astro Tripper on Steam.
As a yank who saw some of these games on the N.E.S. (see how i did that because it is not ness), i always find your videos interesting. I never even knew about the c64 or spectrum but find them interesting.
In the UK we say NES and SNES, much like you spell colour incorrectly.
BOTH are accepted, depending on region.
Like Aluminium and aluminem.
@@VampireJack10 i know, just being snarky
Thing is Uridium was 10 quid and could be played with an arcade quality joystick but Last Starfighter cost 4 or 5 times as much and forced you to use the useless NES joypad
Useless nes joypad?
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 The only two D-pads worth a crap are 1, the official 6 button Megadrive joypad, the Xbox 360. All the others are naff and a real pain in the butt to get diagonals 100% of the time you actually want/need them. And "forced" because whether you like/hate the NES pads/crap NES compatible joysticks wired for NES ports you are screwed because Uridium requires an aracde quality joystick like the Euromax Zipstik and none were ever made for NES :)
great video...what the actual f*ck was going on with that Monty on the Run lol
C64 Sinclair Amstrad fans aside we were so lucky
"Pla-Toon". Lol.
Still love you Kim.
Hi kim! Why is scap banned? He loves your channel
Kim. I absolutely love your videos. They're so informative and cross the US console/ UK micro-computer divide perfectly.
However...It's not pronounced en-chancer!!!😂 Was recently playing loads of emulated NES games and didn't realise (until then) how many micro to nes ports had been made. I'm sure this is the first video on it (without checking). Keep up the good work
God I hope this includes Last Ninja...
Cybernoid looks a bit like N.O.M.A.D, I should give it a go.
Love a bit of Dizzy... So much, we have teamed up with the Oliver Twins and mental health charity Safe In Our World to bring you these... sevensqua.red/collections/safe-in-our-world
awesome a always
Platoon on nes was fun
Not a big fan of Turrican in general, but I honestly find the NES version to be barely playable. Your sprite is so close to the edge of the screen.
YAY! A new Kim video! :D
Insta like.
Excellent! Veal, hah!
Come on Kim, where's Dropzone? :P
Platoon, probably too early for the mostly young children gamer base to play as evil yet.
Meeeeeee first number 1 fan
Listening to his voice change between male & female so cringe.
The NES/Famicom had a large number of games ported from the MSX Computer. Zanac is one of them, and a very good one!