@TrailNewbie exactly! Works perfectly for my needs, and gets me everywhere I want to go! And it's a pretty modified subaru forester wilderness, winch bumper, swing out tire carrier, full underbody protection along with rock sliders, just waiting on a new lift before I start hitting the difficult trails again as my current lift is suffering from spring fatigue and I have less ground clearance than stock haha
@@ssj_junior huge tires aren't fuel efficient & economical for overlanding anyways. The objective is to get to destinations & distance without sacrificing fuel, especially if there isn't a gas station in site. Its all about reliability & efficiency💯
I started running 33's on my 4x4 in 2003, I've run nothing but 33's on every 4x4 since. And I've been many places I was told I couldn't make it without 35's or larger. Driver skill/experience will far surpass any add-ons money can buy.
Just pulled 37s off my super duty.. running 35s now.. takes a little bit to get used to the look, but the handling/towing/mileage and even braking are night and day better.. its funny, when I was a kid 35s were like monster truck tires.. now multiple different packages come with them from the factory.
Depends on the vehicle. I ran 35s on my Jeep JK & those were perfect for the stock Rubicon gearing. Have 37s on my Raptor, as anything smaller looks downright scrawny on a full-size truck, plus the powertrain handles the larger tires with ease.
Did you lift it or just roll with the 35's? I'm thinking of putting 35's on my 2016 jku Rubicon HR, and would like to avoid regearing and lifting if possible.
If your truck/vehicle didn't come standard with 33's, then you should re-gear. Gen 3 tacomas are recommended to re-gear with 33's, and 35's are a definite re-gear.
I’ve got 37’s with 3.73 gears. Zero issues on or off road. Only lost 2.4 mpg. Don’t get the CHEAPEST version of the vehicle you want. No 2.0 or 3.6 🤮 If you can find one get the 3.0 diesel. DO the delete kit. Your engine will thank you.
Man all you need is a 33. 35 only gives ya 1/2 inch clearance over 33s. Not to mention all the other crap that breaks sooner on you rig. Then there's mileage, costs of tires, new gearing which you all mention....which is thousands upon thousands for the normal person. 35s are a gimmick to look "cool".
Question. I know the notorious jeepers out there know the answer. I am new and I have a YJ i want to put a suspension on it however I dont have the grown up money to buy other modifications. I read that 2-2.5” is what I might need cause I want to hit moderate trails in Colorado. If you guys have recommendations and tips please let me know.
35s are massively overkill for anything that’s not rock crawling. Why you’d need more than 33s, especially on a car as small as a wrangler, is beyond me
So can anyone really help a brother out lol I’m getting my first 16 unlimited sport s im going 6in rough country lift with 1.25 body lift on 35x13.50s BUT im a country boy at 🖤 I love BIG TIRES so I really want to go 37s but I don’t want to spend the $ re gearing since im not a big off-road rider are so are 37s gonna be ok in the future or just stick with the 35s ?
33s do make the trail more exciting. 37s make things a lot easier. Done plenty of black diamond and double black diamond trails with 33s and lockers. But I think my 37s look far better than 33s.
Well I mean.. no shit.. 37 is larger then 35.. literally every step up size is a larger than size.. I'm not sure if you thought this was profound... " a 33 is a larger 31" well fucking duh bro. What the fawks creek are you on about. And just cuz, I have 31s 9n my cj and 32s (285 70,17. Odd numbers a43 directly numbered even numbers are ratioed. A 285 70 is a 32" tire)
Overlanding= going camping, driving slowly over very mild terrains with an ugly rack and tent on top of your vehicle. Lol that can be done with 31 inch tires 😂😂
"New to overlanding?" Here's three top reasons why 35s MIGHT be overkill for YOU! 1. You MIGHT need a lift. 2. You'll SPEND more $$$$ on gas!! 3. Your transmission WILL work harder!! Before hoping into BIG TIRES, how about suggesting shocks first like factory vs aftermarket off road shocks. The performance and experience you'll get between the two. Next, maybe upgrading your factory tires to a more aggressive A/T or hybrid tire if needed. So if you're new to overlanding, get to know your vehicle first and its capabilities before running 35s. Speaking for the newbies only.
i got 31s and an old REI tent, and that's enough to keep up with most "overlanders" and a few of the jeeps on 40s. its about the driver more than the car, you can have fun off road in an old civic.
My 31s on my Land Rover has taken me to places, and has kept up. It's all about how you equip, and ready your vehicle. Also, spotting and wheel placement is 100% the trick to a successful obstacle passing.
I ran 33s on my 1st gen taco and went places that were insane. Unless you are crawling, more than 35s are a waste of cash. I didn't worry about breaking my rig either. Sure if you want it to look impressive that's a whole different story but for me it was double duty daily driver.
35s arent a waste of cash or for looks on other rigs they can be a solid upgrade. I can see why in a tacoma moving up to 35s requires alot of work with its front suspension geometry and gearing. In his jeep with the 8 speed and 2 inch spacer lift, 35s can be ran no problem. Even on stock wheels.
37s have always been a good size for us in our area, anyway. We overland and trail ride / light to medium rock crawling. We encountered numerous times people getting hung up or high centered with 35s. Rather, they had a full-size truck or a 2-door jeep. 37s really see to be that magic size. Also, depending on your wheel, metal type, and size, 37s can still get you the same mileage as a 35s. 20in aluminum rim equals less rubber for 37in vs. a 16in steel wheel on 35in tires equal more rubber....
My wallet tells me to get better and do better.Not getting stuck is priceless.I did have to change to 488's but while it was apart I put in a front locker . 37's
When my Gladiator Rubicon was brand new, I completely skipped 35’s and went directly from 33’s to 37’s. A year later, decided to make the upgrade to 40’s and oh man, it’s been incredible 😁
Bogus dude. Don't need 35's unless you're rock crawling. I had 33's that messed with my gearing on low range, especially on steep descents. Now I have 31's, that is the sweet number for me. Best for off-roading and touring.
Toyo now sells an advertised 34" X 10.50 X R17LT D Load Range A/T III that measures an actual 33.5" dia. This one is a winner! and I've put five of them on five Method 705 17 X 8.5 +25mm on my every-lander F150. Nice diameter, not too wide, not too heavy. Win/win/win.
If y’all think 35s aren’t enough, I go through woods, trails, and beaches with the stock Bridgestone tires. At least admit you want them and not need them.
You Jeep guys are ridiculous,, you go on fire access roads and to the mall and think you need 35s 😂 your stock tires were more capable off road than you ever will be
Idk where you camp but I like my 40’s on my Powerwagon. I can go deep into the nothingness with no issues. But for most people I do agree 35’s are good enough in 90% on situations.
Good conclussion, bad reassons. MPG is actually a good reason not to go over 35. Gears are not a good reason, most guys will need to re-gear anyways. On road handling is actually gonna have a huge impact over 35". You will have more flex kn your tires, the steering will become less and less precise, more and more slow to react, breaking power will become insufficient, noise on pavement will become unbearable and your jeep will become more prone to develop deathwabble. Lift kits will have to be ridiculously high to accomodate the huge tires with full flex and turning ability. That will also decrease ride quality at highway speeds. Finally, consider 37s as your top end tire size if you own a JL, JT, Bronco or F150 raptor. Maybe even a 3/4 ton pickup like a powerwagon. If not, 35 is the limit for overlanding and 33s in the case of really old rigs like an xj cherokee
Well, that all depends on what the user considers "overlanding". I have the stock 33's on my '24 Colorado ZR2, and I think I'll fit 34's (285/75/17's - OEM width on the OEM rim) IF I can still fit the spare under the bed. Even bone-stock as it is now, it's WAY more truck than I am driver (I'm a noob).
40" tires cross the clownish-looking threshold on a Jeep Wrangler. 35"s or 37"s on a Jeep look (& act) appropriate for the vehicle size, but anytime I see 40"s or larger on a Jeep I start getting ready to count clowns.
Make 35x10.50's available. My 87 3/4 ton chevy can't even flatten out a 35x12.50 properly for trail driving. Your jeeps will have a contact patch that is completely round, at best at your ideal pressure. You want a square contact patch with any tyre for optimum performance.
Tire selection is more important than size. A name brand reputable 31 inch tire that cost 200 is fonna outperform a 35 inch lionclaw or whatever Chinese tires are named.
Good ol Ling longs haha Had a buddy delaminate a momo tire in less than 5k lol Brand name tires will always be a good start. To many people buying china 33s and 35s just to say they have them and guys in stock trucks on 31s drive right by them lol
If i was worried about gas mileage i would buy a Prius. Meanwhile my truck on 37's and 4.56 gears will pull that cute little jeep out when it gets stuck. :)
Most overlanders just go from government rec site to government rec site anyways and probably hit nothing worse then a logging road. So definitely 35s are plenty! Overall one of the more logical Jeep vids out there 👍
I built on 33s(a hair smaller, actually) for pretty damn similar reasons, and the fact that my truck tires and trailer tires are now interchangeable, so I have 2 spares usable anywhere on my rig. I have yet to encounter any situation where I've said "Jeez, I wish I had a bigger set of tires for this."
Currently looking at a Ford bronco wild track package that comes with 35 standard. I cross the country Vermont to Arizona on a regular basis but also want to do some Baja light rock crawling adventures. Thanks for this post.
I learned all this the hard way 🤦♂️ Im running a 2023 Jeep wrangler with 37s and what a mistake it was and extra $4000 spent for a bumpy ride and terrible fuel economy for 2” of more side wall 😅 and whole lot of other problems I won’t even get into
Most people do it wrong like this... cheapest lift to fit 37's nad then hate it. You start by saving for the best lift and shocks and then regear and then once you have saved enough money to change your axels when they break you get the 37+. My jeep corners and rides like a S class on 37's
Apparently you know nothing about eco diesel jeeps , no regearing needed for 37, I get 22mpg average with them and that’s fully loaded with a rtt and 4.5 inch lift on my gladiator and been running it that way for 3 years without any major issues except a recent ujoint break , which could happen to anyone 😅
Honestly 31-33 is great for most overlanding. I run 315/75R16 (~34.5) and have done very difficult trails with that size. I would call it overkill for forest roads and such.
From my experience I’ve own jeep for 12 years If you have a Jeep JK sport Sahara rubicon 35 is fine with 1.5 lift kite for city if your hitting off road ‘Regear’ or if your going 37 Jeep JL 3.6L V6 or 2.0L 4Cy sport Sahara Willy u can fit 35 and run no problem without regear Only city But if you’re going off road 2.5liff kite 37 regear Rubicon no regear no lift kite u can fit 35 without problem and go light off road but 37 u need regear Jeep JL 4xe u got 375hp 470ft torque Sport Willy Sahara 35 fit no regear but if your going 37 on sport Willy Sahara need 2.5 lift kite You don’t need regear for 37 the E torque are plenty to move those tires only city tho If your going high way a lot or off road regear or u won’t see 8 gear 37 only Rubicon u need 1.5 for 37 and regear 35 u don’t need lift For rubicon 392 or hellcat u don’t need regear for 37 they fit without lift
Humungous tyres really make no sense. Heavier and screw up the gearing. Most OEM are 31-33 and that should be all that is required. Plus all the wank with mud tyres,, absolutely useless on any thing except mud and are noisy and have the grip of a dog on lino on bitumen. An A/T tyre should be all that is ever required and even those are a compromise. And are noisier and often heavier. And yes I do know this stuff, I sell these tyres and try NOT to sell useless dangerous tyres. My liability insurance has never been claimed on either An interesting aside,, my current Landcruiser came on the factory steel wheels and 3 ply wall highway Goodrich. I fitted OEM alloys and new A/T tyres. Then weighed the difference. The alloys and tyres are 25lbs a corner lighter than the steel wheels. Aftermarket steel are not that much heavy but are still between 5-10 lbs heavier than factory alloys. You can feel the weight difference. It accelerates better, stops better and the shocks are controlling the unsprung weight a LOT better. Plus all your bearings last longer. And you use less fuel.
"It's not over the top" Who defines what "over the top" is? And yeah, over landing Isn't rock crawling, but there is still rock crawling involved in over landing. Especially if you are really getting into the back trails that aren't maintained. And ground clearance Isn't universal. The ground clearance gain from 35s is going to be very different on a full size pickup than a jeep. That's because ground clearance isn't actually a very good metric of performance. Angles are. Approach, break over, and departure angles are what you are looking for, and 35s might not give you enough of an increase.
37s? Who needs 37s? This one time we camped at Fordyce Creek when we ran Hells Revenge at Sand Hollow in my Grandmas Hoveround on 29s. And it was carbureted with an independent 3 linked rear Watts suspension. The only trouble was mounting the more modern zip tie style bead lock lipped wheel hubs to a traditional bailing wire mesh inner safety bead wheel. But man. That thing would go anywhere and we took it some crazy places.
For you Jeep JT owners, here's a great comparison video (37 vs 35") ruclips.net/video/LzmpwwxVQNY/видео.htmlsi=K7EoZcvS7fdS7gFP ... My JT Mojave came stock with 33-Inch LT285/70R17C Mud-Terrain Tires mounted on 17-Inch x 7.5-Inch Wheels. When these M/Ts wear out, I'm going with 35x11.50R17 tires, same stock wheels, and no extra lift.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Heb 9:27) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luke 13:5)
You left out the most important reasons. - it's difficult to balance 37s and 40s which causes vibration - going above 35s will put crazy stress on your axels, hubs and steering components - 37s and 40s are never perfectly round which cause excessive road noise
Also as important or more importantly is the size of the sidewall, known as aspect ratio. The higher the number the taller the sidewall. The aspect ratio pertains to the ratio of hight, to the width of the tread. Roughly every 100 mm will be 4”, so a 285/75-16, will have a tread width of around 11.4” wide, with the sidewall that’s 75% of that being 8.5”, making it 32” tall overall. The more sidewall hight you have, the better the tire can flex over rough terrain, plus you can air down to 10 psi in deep sand to help float over the sand, instead of digging in getting stuck. So 16 & 17” wheels are best off road, any wheels bigger, especially 20” and above have no place in rough terrain.
35s means that I have to put a lift on my truck so that I can Play harder 10% of the time while getting worse gas mileage 90% of the time… No Thank you. The only suspension upgrade I plan on doing is Add a Leaf to my TRD Off Road and that’s for practical reasons, as I can haul more stuff that used for work around our property. I will get taller and a bit wider tires as long as I don’t have to cut away anything off my truck. I’ve already installed a K&N cold air intake, a Flowmaster FlowFX turn down dual exhaust system and will be having an Overland Torque Tune done in late May. Some interior mods have been installed in TRD Red. The next big purchase will be Katzkin TRD Red Leather seat covers. After Katzkin removed my black factory leather seat covers and installs the new TRD red Leather, my friend who also owns a 23 TRD will have his grey cloth factory seat covers removed and my black leather seat covers installed in his Lunar Rock TRD. Then I’ll save money and have my White Tacoma 2 toned in Barcelona Red following the body lines of my truck and having it pinstriped. Once again I’ll save the money and have powered running boards installed. I’m currently saving up to add more skid plates to cover the transfer case, front differential transmission, catalytic converters and rear differential. The last mod will be chrome wheels.
Overlanding is cool but I dont run 38s to drive places. I run 38s for the chicks! Big tires and friendly dogs gets them Everytime 😊 (If they don't like big tires? their just not worth it😁) ps. I live in Utah, so yeah, I wheel as well.
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And then there's me, overlanding and offroading on 29s lol
Nothing wrong with that!! 👏🏼🙌🏼👊🏼😃
@@TrailNewbie doesn't hurt that my vehicle is fairly small and lightweight compared to most of the 4x4s out there
@@JDS-Dalton the rule of thumb in my book: wheel what you got, wheel what you love! What rig are you using for Offroad/overland? 😃
@TrailNewbie exactly! Works perfectly for my needs, and gets me everywhere I want to go!
And it's a pretty modified subaru forester wilderness, winch bumper, swing out tire carrier, full underbody protection along with rock sliders, just waiting on a new lift before I start hitting the difficult trails again as my current lift is suffering from spring fatigue and I have less ground clearance than stock haha
@@JDS-Dalton sounds awesome! If you have Instagram - will give you a follow! 👊🏼😃
This is exactly why I always run 33s
TrAiL RaTeD
had the same thought
@@ssj_junior huge tires aren't fuel efficient & economical for overlanding anyways. The objective is to get to destinations & distance without sacrificing fuel, especially if there isn't a gas station in site. Its all about reliability & efficiency💯
31's will get you all over Colorado passes
I started running 33's on my 4x4 in 2003, I've run nothing but 33's on every 4x4 since. And I've been many places I was told I couldn't make it without 35's or larger. Driver skill/experience will far surpass any add-ons money can buy.
Just pulled 37s off my super duty.. running 35s now.. takes a little bit to get used to the look, but the handling/towing/mileage and even braking are night and day better.. its funny, when I was a kid 35s were like monster truck tires.. now multiple different packages come with them from the factory.
Depends on the vehicle. I ran 35s on my Jeep JK & those were perfect for the stock Rubicon gearing.
Have 37s on my Raptor, as anything smaller looks downright scrawny on a full-size truck, plus the powertrain handles the larger tires with ease.
Did you lift it or just roll with the 35's? I'm thinking of putting 35's on my 2016 jku Rubicon HR, and would like to avoid regearing and lifting if possible.
I don’t own a jeep. I’ve never been overlanding, but I love watching this sh*t…
My car comes with stock 31's... and it goes just fine. No need for bigger tires as that would mess some gauges up...
If your truck/vehicle didn't come standard with 33's, then you should re-gear. Gen 3 tacomas are recommended to re-gear with 33's, and 35's are a definite re-gear.
Spot on! RAM 1500 on Toyo 35's
Ya! 35’s on a RAM 1500 looks so good!! 👏🏼
Thankyou 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Hey, it's "Eminem" speaking Jeep! AWESOME!!
Had 35s and was happy...Let's just say im getting some work done to allow for 37s...
To add, if you live in a place that gets heavy snowfall, you can get actual 35 inch winter tires. Larger tire sizes, likely not.
Every time I look at my 35’s on my jku they look smaller and smaller. Can’t wait to upgrade to 38 inch trail grapplers!
Life is too short to not have 37s if you want them.
I’ve got 37’s with 3.73 gears. Zero issues on or off road. Only lost 2.4 mpg.
Don’t get the CHEAPEST version of the vehicle you want. No 2.0 or 3.6 🤮
If you can find one get the 3.0 diesel. DO the delete kit. Your engine will thank you.
Wish I could delete… but sadly I’m in the people’s republic of California
My 31" feel small when most of the newer SUVs come with them now
Nobody gets into overlanding to worry about MPG.
Man all you need is a 33. 35 only gives ya 1/2 inch clearance over 33s. Not to mention all the other crap that breaks sooner on you rig. Then there's mileage, costs of tires, new gearing which you all mention....which is thousands upon thousands for the normal person. 35s are a gimmick to look "cool".
News break! You don’t need 35’s
Question. I know the notorious jeepers out there know the answer. I am new and I have a YJ i want to put a suspension on it however I dont have the grown up money to buy other modifications. I read that 2-2.5” is what I might need cause I want to hit moderate trails in Colorado. If you guys have recommendations and tips please let me know.
35s are massively overkill for anything that’s not rock crawling. Why you’d need more than 33s, especially on a car as small as a wrangler, is beyond me
but forgot to say that 40s r looking better on trucks 😅
35s and up, gas mileage is the same. SUCKS.
30s work for me
35s = low profile tire
Your 35" look small buddy they look like 33"
So glad I didn't subscribe to this channel!!!! I got 37's on my bad assignment gladiator, and works beautifully on the trails!!
So can anyone really help a brother out lol I’m getting my first 16 unlimited sport s im going 6in rough country lift with 1.25 body lift on 35x13.50s BUT im a country boy at 🖤 I love BIG TIRES so I really want to go 37s but I don’t want to spend the $ re gearing since im not a big off-road rider are so are 37s gonna be ok in the future or just stick with the 35s ?
33s still cool
33” have taken me some insane places. Plus the truck is closer to its engineered limits and is reliable.
33’s are pure 🔥 as well!!
The Rubicon Trail was built with Jeeps on 30s, lol. 33s are a great size
All depends on the truck. I run 37s no sweat on my super duty.
Realisticallt if high milage is youre goal dont buy any tires keep them stock and save the money for if the engine kaputs
I'm old. My first Jeep XJ build looked awesome and worked awesome...on 31's! We've come a loooong way
Make 33” cool again !
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I'm "running" 33s on 2 of my Jeeps. 👍
@@DB-yj3qc honestly, 33s are sooo good too. 👏🏼
I just moved up to 33s on my xj and I couldn’t imagine 35s cause these feel already big.
33s do make the trail more exciting. 37s make things a lot easier. Done plenty of black diamond and double black diamond trails with 33s and lockers. But I think my 37s look far better than 33s.
There’s this mentality of slapping big tires with lifts kits. 31s and 33’s are just perfect
30.5 is what came on my GC trailhawk, and 31.5 is the biggest I can go without running a massive offset. The stock tires can go places I won't.
I remember when 35" was the rock crawling tire.
Cause u never went rock crawling
Great points!….but 37’s are just so…awesome!
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and if you're looking at mil surplus tires they can be pretty cheap too!
facts
Not even a question on gladiator. The real question is 37 or 38s
37's and 4:88 on JT's are sublime. Need it for the soft sand in Florida. 35's are not enough.
Just to clarify -- 37's are big 35's, 35's are really big 33's, and 33's are really big 31's once mounted.
Huh? All manufacturers heights vary
Well I mean.. no shit.. 37 is larger then 35.. literally every step up size is a larger than size.. I'm not sure if you thought this was profound... " a 33 is a larger 31" well fucking duh bro. What the fawks creek are you on about.
And just cuz, I have 31s 9n my cj and 32s (285 70,17. Odd numbers a43 directly numbered even numbers are ratioed. A 285 70 is a 32" tire)
Yep
Smooth brain activities
So really 29s are the same as 37s
Overlanding= going camping, driving slowly over very mild terrains with an ugly rack and tent on top of your vehicle. Lol that can be done with 31 inch tires 😂😂
"New to overlanding?" Here's three top reasons why 35s MIGHT be overkill for YOU!
1. You MIGHT need a lift.
2. You'll SPEND more $$$$ on gas!!
3. Your transmission WILL work harder!!
Before hoping into BIG TIRES, how about suggesting shocks first like factory vs aftermarket off road shocks. The performance and experience you'll get between the two. Next, maybe upgrading your factory tires to a more aggressive A/T or hybrid tire if needed.
So if you're new to overlanding, get to know your vehicle first and its capabilities before running 35s. Speaking for the newbies only.
@smugglin_budgies
Heck, that's many areas in USA now too. 🙄😳
Um 3 years? That's really cool but don't act like that's what overlanding is. It doesn't have one definition
I was about to say that too, I got 31 inch tires and they do fine
i got 31s and an old REI tent, and that's enough to keep up with most "overlanders" and a few of the jeeps on 40s. its about the driver more than the car, you can have fun off road in an old civic.
Couldn’t agree more!!!! Even on big diesel trucks. I’m a fan of 33s honestly.
As my old buddy used to say “you can go anywhere with 33s!”
Go do triple 7's in sand hollow State park in Utah and then we'll talk
@@the_undead lol that’s exactly where we were when he said it. Shit was unbelievable
My 31s on my Land Rover has taken me to places, and has kept up. It's all about how you equip, and ready your vehicle. Also, spotting and wheel placement is 100% the trick to a successful obstacle passing.
Up to a point...
35 years running my Hilux on 31's !
@@bigdaddy2955yeah until that Land Rover breaks down. 😂
@mojavedesertsonorandesert9531 beast
If Eminem had an older brother, that's into overlanding.
😂😂 the crazy thing is, Eminem is 51 and I’m only 43! I just don’t dye my beard. 😂😂👊🏼
@TrailNewbie but the skinny pants?😅
@@justplain8793 they didn’t used to be skinny pants … I just got fat. 🤣🤣👊🏼
Eminem's dad?
I ran 33s on my 1st gen taco and went places that were insane. Unless you are crawling, more than 35s are a waste of cash. I didn't worry about breaking my rig either. Sure if you want it to look impressive that's a whole different story but for me it was double duty daily driver.
Right on!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
🎉😅
35s arent a waste of cash or for looks on other rigs they can be a solid upgrade.
I can see why in a tacoma moving up to 35s requires alot of work with its front suspension geometry and gearing. In his jeep with the 8 speed and 2 inch spacer lift, 35s can be ran no problem. Even on stock wheels.
I did the Rubicon Trail on 35's. With that said, bigger is better and I'm loving my 37's
37s have always been a good size for us in our area, anyway. We overland and trail ride / light to medium rock crawling. We encountered numerous times people getting hung up or high centered with 35s. Rather, they had a full-size truck or a 2-door jeep. 37s really see to be that magic size. Also, depending on your wheel, metal type, and size, 37s can still get you the same mileage as a 35s. 20in aluminum rim equals less rubber for 37in vs. a 16in steel wheel on 35in tires equal more rubber....
Exactly, 37's all day long!
I have 37’s and in many cases I’ve needed them
jeez let people have fun with the tires they have and not judge, he’s forgetting the whole point of it all to begin with lol
My wallet tells me to get better and do better.Not getting stuck is priceless.I did have to change to 488's but while it was apart I put in a front locker . 37's
My Pathfinder came stock 4.62 😅 tops out at 90 with 31.5" currently
Everyone loves 35's until they run 40's.
I made the switch to 40’s this week. Smoothest ride ever ever experienced. Absolutely unmatched
What you switch your gearing too?
@@mountainsurge7235Yes my truck is regeared
When my Gladiator Rubicon was brand new, I completely skipped 35’s and went directly from 33’s to 37’s. A year later, decided to make the upgrade to 40’s and oh man, it’s been incredible 😁
35’s would be great but my 33’s on my 4x4 ranger hace thoroughly impressed me
Bogus dude. Don't need 35's unless you're rock crawling. I had 33's that messed with my gearing on low range, especially on steep descents. Now I have 31's, that is the sweet number for me. Best for off-roading and touring.
On your skateboard maybe. 🤦♂️ Overlanding in KOA’s?
@@JohnSmith-sh1zg, 😂😂😂
I've done difficult trails on 33s on a jeep grand Cherokee no problems
Toyo now sells an advertised 34" X 10.50 X R17LT D Load Range A/T III that measures an actual 33.5" dia. This one is a winner! and I've put five of them on five Method 705 17 X 8.5 +25mm on my every-lander F150. Nice diameter, not too wide, not too heavy. Win/win/win.
pizza cutters unite, there's a reason early military vehicles used them
have you heard about 33" tires?
I do love some good 33” KO2s 🔥
I GET BETTER GAS MILEAGE ON MY WRANGLER ON 44'S THAN MY GLADIATOR MOJAVE ON 35'S
PROBLEM with making 33 great again.😶 THERE IS A TREND. On trails, tours & meetings of them having a BAN on 33' tires. With 35's being mandatory.
If y’all think 35s aren’t enough, I go through woods, trails, and beaches with the stock Bridgestone tires. At least admit you want them and not need them.
You Jeep guys are ridiculous,, you go on fire access roads and to the mall and think you need 35s 😂 your stock tires were more capable off road than you ever will be
Unless you like driving a slug. You should seriously look at a re gear at the 34, 35 inch mark. Some 33s weigh as much as some 35s etc.
Reason #1: They are bigger than small. Reason #2: They are smaller than big. Expert analysis.
Dont even buy 35s get a metric size tire around the same size. It will weigh less. Be skinnier (wich is actually way better) and cost a lot less too.
Idk where you camp but I like my 40’s on my Powerwagon. I can go deep into the nothingness with no issues. But for most people I do agree 35’s are good enough in 90% on situations.
No sir i been using 44s for years. Aint had too do a dang thing to gears. I call B.S to what you spouting on here.
32s with rock sliders and lockers 😎✌️
Good conclussion, bad reassons.
MPG is actually a good reason not to go over 35. Gears are not a good reason, most guys will need to re-gear anyways.
On road handling is actually gonna have a huge impact over 35". You will have more flex kn your tires, the steering will become less and less precise, more and more slow to react, breaking power will become insufficient, noise on pavement will become unbearable and your jeep will become more prone to develop deathwabble.
Lift kits will have to be ridiculously high to accomodate the huge tires with full flex and turning ability. That will also decrease ride quality at highway speeds.
Finally, consider 37s as your top end tire size if you own a JL, JT, Bronco or F150 raptor. Maybe even a 3/4 ton pickup like a powerwagon. If not, 35 is the limit for overlanding and 33s in the case of really old rigs like an xj cherokee
Right on! 👏🏼😃
Ummm, tacomas NEED regearing with 35s
37’s look so freaking cool though. 😜
I’m running 33’s right now and so far, so good. 👍🏻
You need to alter gear ratio on 33s just saying
You don't need to change gearing for 33s as that's stock on the Wranglers now.
Not on my stock 4.7 geared Bronco
With the same gear ratio:
31: Your car
32: Your dad's
33: Your mom's
35: Your granny's
reverse for the awesome look.
Overlanding you're not really doing hard trails so 33s will suffice heck most of the time 31s will do just depends on budget.
Well, that all depends on what the user considers "overlanding". I have the stock 33's on my '24 Colorado ZR2, and I think I'll fit 34's (285/75/17's - OEM width on the OEM rim) IF I can still fit the spare under the bed. Even bone-stock as it is now, it's WAY more truck than I am driver (I'm a noob).
Well I run 35's now but I still believe 34's are the sweet spot.
Our Grandfathers did everything on 27's that we think we need 37's to do.
Damn... I'm getting old. 😮 I remember when "33s" was big tires.
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Not everything
My #1 reason for not going over 35 inch tires…I can’t afford it.
I have 33” and more or less it is enough. Had 35” on it and it was too much for everything on long trips…
40" tires cross the clownish-looking threshold on a Jeep Wrangler. 35"s or 37"s on a Jeep look (& act) appropriate for the vehicle size, but anytime I see 40"s or larger on a Jeep I start getting ready to count clowns.
Make 35x10.50's available. My 87 3/4 ton chevy can't even flatten out a 35x12.50 properly for trail driving. Your jeeps will have a contact patch that is completely round, at best at your ideal pressure. You want a square contact patch with any tyre for optimum performance.
Kenda klever your welcome.
Mickey Thompson 255 85 17s you’re welcome
40’s on the gladiator all day
Idk if I would take off road advance from a guy with white shoes hagaga
😂😂😂 ya, I washed them the day prior - sneakers in clean up nice in the laundry! But good point for sure. 😅
Thanks slim shady
It’s so funny how many people think I’m an Eminem lookalike. 😂😀👊🏼
Tire selection is more important than size. A name brand reputable 31 inch tire that cost 200 is fonna outperform a 35 inch lionclaw or whatever Chinese tires are named.
Good ol Ling longs haha Had a buddy delaminate a momo tire in less than 5k lol Brand name tires will always be a good start. To many people buying china 33s and 35s just to say they have them and guys in stock trucks on 31s drive right by them lol
My toy has 6" lift e locker front rear lockers and 36x13.50x 36 Super Swamper I Roks😮😅
NICE!!! 👊🏼
This is what they said about 33s 10 years ago. Lmao
Yeah but gear ratio has changed correct. From factory
Ya, I think that gear ratios have improved over time as well, so that re-gearing is now for those larger options above 35”.
The ruts are an inch deeper a decade later 😂 🤣 😂 🤣
Gear ratios are still the same. The introduction of 6-10 speed transmissions is what’s made the biggest difference.
People who think 35s are enough are the same people that consider a Subaru an "offroad" vehicle. 😂
Hahahhahahha 😂
I hate Subarus so much...
If i was worried about gas mileage i would buy a Prius. Meanwhile my truck on 37's and 4.56 gears will pull that cute little jeep out when it gets stuck. :)
If you are anywhere near my Jeep on 33s w/ front and rear lockers...and I am stuck...we are both going to need help😅
@@signkutter9218 I have diff lockers as well, they are very handy
Most overlanders just go from government rec site to government rec site anyways and probably hit nothing worse then a logging road. So definitely 35s are plenty!
Overall one of the more logical Jeep vids out there 👍
I built on 33s(a hair smaller, actually) for pretty damn similar reasons, and the fact that my truck tires and trailer tires are now interchangeable, so I have 2 spares usable anywhere on my rig. I have yet to encounter any situation where I've said "Jeez, I wish I had a bigger set of tires for this."
Currently looking at a Ford bronco wild track package that comes with 35 standard. I cross the country Vermont to Arizona on a regular basis but also want to do some Baja light rock crawling adventures. Thanks for this post.
1st gen Honda Pilot here 33’s are optimal for my unibody useless rig 🤟🏽
I had all from 33 to 37
37 is the perfect size will get you more places specially if you have a larger wheel base
So well said. Thank you. After reading all the comments, your's nailed it and i will go with 37's on my new F350 crew with an 8' bed.
I learned all this the hard way 🤦♂️
Im running a 2023 Jeep wrangler with 37s and what a mistake it was and extra $4000 spent for a bumpy ride and terrible fuel economy for 2” of more side wall 😅 and whole lot of other problems I won’t even get into
Most people do it wrong like this... cheapest lift to fit 37's nad then hate it. You start by saving for the best lift and shocks and then regear and then once you have saved enough money to change your axels when they break you get the 37+. My jeep corners and rides like a S class on 37's
If you spent 4 grand for 37s you got everything you asked for.
Apparently you know nothing about eco diesel jeeps , no regearing needed for 37, I get 22mpg average with them and that’s fully loaded with a rtt and 4.5 inch lift on my gladiator and been running it that way for 3 years without any major issues except a recent ujoint break , which could happen to anyone 😅
Honestly 31-33 is great for most overlanding. I run 315/75R16 (~34.5) and have done very difficult trails with that size. I would call it overkill for forest roads and such.
Have 35 with 488 ratio axle but feel in highway need more power, which number of pinion and ring are better for my 4Runner SR5 V8 2004?
From my experience I’ve own jeep for 12 years
If you have a Jeep JK sport Sahara rubicon 35 is fine with 1.5 lift kite for city if your hitting off road ‘Regear’ or if your going 37
Jeep JL 3.6L V6 or 2.0L 4Cy sport Sahara Willy u can fit 35 and run no problem without regear Only city
But if you’re going off road 2.5liff kite 37 regear
Rubicon no regear no lift kite u can fit 35 without problem and go light off road but 37 u need regear
Jeep JL 4xe u got 375hp 470ft torque
Sport Willy Sahara 35 fit no regear but if your going 37 on sport Willy Sahara need 2.5 lift kite
You don’t need regear for 37 the E torque are plenty to move those tires only city tho
If your going high way a lot or off road regear or u won’t see 8 gear 37 only
Rubicon u need 1.5 for 37 and regear
35 u don’t need lift
For rubicon 392 or hellcat u don’t need regear for 37 they fit without lift
Humungous tyres really make no sense. Heavier and screw up the gearing. Most OEM are 31-33 and that should be all that is required. Plus all the wank with mud tyres,, absolutely useless on any thing except mud and are noisy and have the grip of a dog on lino on bitumen. An A/T tyre should be all that is ever required and even those are a compromise. And are noisier and often heavier.
And yes I do know this stuff, I sell these tyres and try NOT to sell useless dangerous tyres. My liability insurance has never been claimed on either
An interesting aside,, my current Landcruiser came on the factory steel wheels and 3 ply wall highway Goodrich. I fitted OEM alloys and new A/T tyres. Then weighed the difference. The alloys and tyres are 25lbs a corner lighter than the steel wheels. Aftermarket steel are not that much heavy but are still between 5-10 lbs heavier than factory alloys. You can feel the weight difference. It accelerates better, stops better and the shocks are controlling the unsprung weight a LOT better. Plus all your bearings last longer. And you use less fuel.
"It's not over the top"
Who defines what "over the top" is?
And yeah, over landing Isn't rock crawling, but there is still rock crawling involved in over landing. Especially if you are really getting into the back trails that aren't maintained.
And ground clearance Isn't universal. The ground clearance gain from 35s is going to be very different on a full size pickup than a jeep. That's because ground clearance isn't actually a very good metric of performance. Angles are. Approach, break over, and departure angles are what you are looking for, and 35s might not give you enough of an increase.
37s? Who needs 37s? This one time we camped at Fordyce Creek when we ran Hells Revenge at Sand Hollow in my Grandmas Hoveround on 29s. And it was carbureted with an independent 3 linked rear Watts suspension. The only trouble was mounting the more modern zip tie style bead lock lipped wheel hubs to a traditional bailing wire mesh inner safety bead wheel. But man. That thing would go anywhere and we took it some crazy places.
For you Jeep JT owners, here's a great comparison video (37 vs 35") ruclips.net/video/LzmpwwxVQNY/видео.htmlsi=K7EoZcvS7fdS7gFP ... My JT Mojave came stock with 33-Inch LT285/70R17C Mud-Terrain Tires mounted on 17-Inch x 7.5-Inch Wheels. When these M/Ts wear out, I'm going with 35x11.50R17 tires, same stock wheels, and no extra lift.
"just enough" lol... i dont want "just" enough... i want ENOUGH... and not too much... 37s is the way... and well, with a ram2500 the 35s look tiny.
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You left out the most important reasons.
- it's difficult to balance 37s and 40s which causes vibration
- going above 35s will put crazy stress on your axels, hubs and steering components
- 37s and 40s are never perfectly round which cause excessive road noise
Also as important or more importantly is the size of the sidewall, known as aspect ratio. The higher the number the taller the sidewall. The aspect ratio pertains to the ratio of hight, to the width of the tread. Roughly every 100 mm will be 4”, so a 285/75-16, will have a tread width of around 11.4” wide, with the sidewall that’s 75% of that being 8.5”, making it 32” tall overall. The more sidewall hight you have, the better the tire can flex over rough terrain, plus you can air down to 10 psi in deep sand to help float over the sand, instead of digging in getting stuck. So 16 & 17” wheels are best off road, any wheels bigger, especially 20” and above have no place in rough terrain.
35s means that I have to put a lift on my truck so that I can Play harder 10% of the time while getting worse gas mileage 90% of the time… No Thank you.
The only suspension upgrade I plan on doing is Add a Leaf to my TRD Off Road and that’s for practical reasons, as I can haul more stuff that used for work around our property.
I will get taller and a bit wider tires as long as I don’t have to cut away anything off my truck.
I’ve already installed a K&N cold air intake, a Flowmaster FlowFX turn down dual exhaust system and will be having an Overland Torque Tune done in late May.
Some interior mods have been installed in TRD Red. The next big purchase will be Katzkin TRD Red Leather seat covers. After Katzkin removed my black factory leather seat covers and installs the new TRD red Leather, my friend who also owns a 23 TRD will have his grey cloth factory seat covers removed and my black leather seat covers installed in his Lunar Rock TRD.
Then I’ll save money and have my White Tacoma 2 toned in Barcelona Red following the body lines of my truck and having it pinstriped.
Once again I’ll save the money and have powered running boards installed.
I’m currently saving up to add more skid plates to cover the transfer case, front differential transmission, catalytic converters and rear differential.
The last mod will be chrome wheels.
Overlanding is cool but I dont run 38s to drive places.
I run 38s for the chicks!
Big tires and friendly dogs gets them Everytime 😊
(If they don't like big tires?
their just not worth it😁)
ps. I live in Utah, so yeah, I wheel as well.