EPIC DWARF SIEGE! - Total War: WARHAMMER Gameplay (Vampire Counts vs Dwarfs)
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I thought dwarf karaks were meant to be the toughest fortifications in warhammer, yet they broke through the gate with ease...
+Scottx125Productions - Spiffingly Serious British Gaming! I pretty sure it's because of balancing for multiplayer seiges because if they were as tough as they are in Lore. People would just only play MP seiges on karak maps. I could be wrong but it's probably the best reason why.
+Duke Nelsom I think you're right buddy, lore gets circumvented when balancing is an issue. You can't have invincible fortresses that massively trump every other siege map.
+Adrien323 It would be nice if they looked a bit more daunting though. its a pretty crap wall for a major Dwarven city
+Scottx125Productions - Spiffingly Serious British Gaming! I guess its early on the map and the city itself is not leveled up. You cant have them all max leveled at the beginning, it would be impossible to beat the city untill late game
+PetePL1989 no CA confirmed citys will not get bigger when you level them up
the dwarven Karak looks as if the dwarves skooped up the mountain (the whole thing - making it hollow) and have build a city there - that is not the case in warhammer, the dwarves build their Karaks WITHIN the mountain. They dig tunnels and halls of stone they don't build cities, they shape the rock to look like cities - this "karak" is an embarrassment - this looks like what humans would build if they were tasked with building a Karak. It is undefendable - the strengh of a Karak is its narrow corridors and strong gates within those corridors - when the skaven come THIS settlement is fucked, they will just pour over the walls like nobody's business
+John Smith that would be a nightmare to code for though without having to make these sorts of compromises with the mechanics in place, do you really want to try and manage 2000 men through a 3 men wide tunnel? it wouldn't be as fun as you think. I would also imagine that making the tunnels would require filling the empty spaces with "stuff" like solid rock, which along with making it look good without effecting the freedom of the camera, would make the game run like a dog no matter the system running it as there would simply be too much stuff on screen at any given time.
+John Smith Moreover, thinking gamplay-wise it will result in an endless and constant struggle for every single corridor. The defenders would be very advantaged, while the attacker...meh.... the use of artillery from outside the walls (or whatever they could be) would be pretty useless, while the defender could perfectly exploit bottlenecks at his advantage. And, as kreeger7 said, using the camera inside a limited space would be a nightmare... I'm not saying that i like this supposed "karak" as it is right now, but the "real"/lore ones would be pretty impractical to siege... it should be found a kind of compromise between the two i think
+Riccardo Frigerio I feel like the original starcraft effectively showed that you can make a simple inside illusion. The ship missions were some of my favourite missions, and I always thought they looked great. It would undoubtedly make it difficult with the varying camera angles in total war, but I'm sure they could manage something like that.
+Ari Gajewski on that I agree!!! That could be a viable option if realized in a proper manner... something like courtyards connected by many bridges all build upon a huge rock chasm maybe? Just brainstorming here
+John Smith
I was expecting the 'city' siege to be a siege of a great mountain gateway LOTR style, given that we have already seen the deep part of the city in the dwarf v ork game.
this looks worse than the runescape dwarve city did in 2010
lol
never forget
Dwarven master race
*skaven
chaos master race
+chris kid Yet they use same layouts for city as humans. Copycats
+chris kid CHAOS!
+DeathSummer16 Chaos band wagon
"This is an old build" Sega, your tactics amaze me :O As a fan of Dr. Evil I aspire to be as snaky as yourselves
+Zam W we hear this in every video. Poor excuses again.
never ceases to amaze me how a video with 90% likes can have 90% hater troll comments
Vocal minority my friend :)
+Atanatari165
Maybe the likes are for thanking WarriorofSparta for this video, but they don't like some aspect of the game and so they voice their opinion that you disrespect by naming them "troll comments"?
+Atanatari165 Pretty simple. Why should I punish the RUclipsr with a dislike, when I have a problem with the game?
+Razgriz185 You can give him a dislike for telling everyone how happy with the graphics even thought it looks half finished. Pretty biased video IMHO
+Zahor99 I'm happy with graphics with where it is at, but knew at the same time and stating about 5 times its a three month old build and will have improved a lot. Knowing that a lot of changes would have been implemented
Dwarfen Karaks. I hoped to see something innovative, though what we get is yet another town under a stone ceiling...
+Radioactive Ultra Donkey yep, another bomb by total war simply because of lazyness and a bit of greed.
+Radioactive Ultra Donkey this is done so badly I have got to believe they are very incomplete... the walls of Altdorf don't cover the tops of the houses? that doesn't even make sense, the siege maps have no hills or trees or rivers... it HAS to be incomplete, I mean karak kadrin is the exact same map of Altdorf, must be a rush job, I cant believe this is finished, it cant be
+Radioactive Ultra Donkey Don't forget to purchase the Dwarven Cities Pack, only $14,99!
wildboy789789
Nope, they don't like to show too much incomplete stuff. So this is it folks.
Don't bother with pre-orders. Wait for the reviews.
Its looking like the old medieval 2 mod is better than this new game.
is it me or is it very very dark, could hardly see the units
+Job Vermeeren could just be a vampiric shroud? like that thing where the lands the vampire lords armies go through die and wither? I agree though they should make it lighter, it shouldnt be THAT hard to see otherwise it will be like : "fear the dead mortals!.....wherever you are....." all the time haha
+Job Vermeeren Jeah. I have seen that in a lot of games that just are to dark and to washed out. Really had that problem in Skyrim too. Dunno why but it seems to be trend in modern games to make the games dark and washed out instead of bright and colourfull.
me too, looks like garbage
+Chess Toad you just dont get it, do you? the build was from january, they have fixed it now.
you know the part I don't get is why anyone likes this game
I'm sorry but that is not a Dwarfen Karak, that looks like a nomal city with dwarfen iconography built in a cave, the concept of karak is a city carved in the mountain itself. Even though it looks kinda good (kinda not) this a terrible interpretation of what a karak might look like. I'm not saying it would be easy to create something like that but this is not the way to do it. And supposedly karaks are very hard to siege, that litlle wall is just pathetic if you ask me and such defenses hardly fit the lore.
+Derp Cat Agreed, the whole concept of a karak is a Multi-walled citadel within a mountain, which has a fortified entrance. there should have been a siege to even get to the park of the "karak" he was in. and as you said, the defenses shown are not nearly to the scale of the lore.
+Derp Cat
So like Minas Tirith from LotR or something?
+Judge Doe Yes, Warhammer Dwarfs live like that aswell :) which is way cooler, this city we are seeing is, to me, a proof of CA laziness and bad management, because when it comes to regional occupation they are more than happy to say its because of the lore but when the lore actually requires them to a bit extra work they dont mind butchering the karaks
Derp Cat
Gotta say, this "city" DOES look way less impressive.
+Derp Cat Its been scaled down due to multiplayer balancing, it still looks amazing to be fair and do you see any other studios making a game like this? im very excited for it
Very disappointing. The terrain is all flat and dull, the buildings are so few and basic.
+Guilherme Beraldo it's kinda like Brazil in other words...
+Christian Bruvah MY NIGGA YOU JUST GOT ROASTED
OH YEAH!
+Guilherme Beraldo The dwarven cities look dreadful. It is literally just a city underground. They are described completely differently in the books.
+The Mother Fucking Emperor What books? The one I read literally describe it as a city underground...
+MC Mark Markson (MusicLover) Not true, well, maybe Barak Varr, but the rest are reeaaally different.
9:54 WHOAAAAAH! Hold on! Zombies tired? Since when did the undead begin to feel wear and tare like humans?
+Sgtsmith maybe their bones and skin can't hold together from all the movement? Might be how they explain it
If you look at the siege of altdorf it doesn't say tired or fresh anymore it says good binding and bad binding for when I guess they been fighting for a while
+Sgtsmith They don't, its called crumbling. The longer zombies fight, the more damage they take. Thus, they're bodies begin to decay and fall apart. They don't route, but they will get weaker the longer a fight goes on... Which makes sense.
+RapidFyrez Its the unstable rule used in warhammer
The whole concept of a dwarven underground city with walls that do not reach the top and can actually be climbed is Total Bullshit, expecially for a race who essentially is always inferior in numbers. I realize it is a game and it has mechanic standards but that's exactly what should be different with TW Warhammer: big differences in meta with each race.
Where the fuck is the Karak? All I see is a wall around a city inside a giant cavern... Pardon me! "Empty city".
Magic ladders... The solution for the bad AI. Also, the karak is just a normal settlement with a hich ceiling. Just bad!
+Ploesteanu Ciprian Gameplay > ladder physics. My god the Vargulf did not even make dents into the door. Just bad!
This looks more like a mod for Total War: Attila than it does a brand new game. I can't be the only one who feels like this. No doubt there'll be 200 dollars worth of DLC as well, given their recent history with their games. I was really excited for this, but I'll be giving this a pass until I see if they're going to try and pull another fast one with us.
why does dwarf karak look the same as human cities ? -.-
+Kiciner Jems They should have taken a look at how Third Age Total War sieges work for Dwarven settlements.
+Kiciner Jems they confirmed this was not a karak... this was a city of cavehumans... they appologize
+Kiciner Jems Its funny how modders in their free time have out done CA with Third Age and Call of Warhammer. No wonder CA doesnt want to give mod support because Modders would outshine them and give out free content that CA wants to turn into DLC.
+Tyler Vistor Call of warhammer sucks.
+Kiciner Jems Because they are fucking lazy.
I kind of like that you actually lost. A dwarfen karak SHOULD be tough to take and for anyone to take it on the first go, the first time he/she plays the game should be unlikely. Enjoyable video :)
+Khorney I agree with you
+Khorney this in the video is just a small one, its one of the small sort of town versions, cant wait to see a full sized karak, imagine how huge and epic the capital city would be to invade....not that id ever commit that sin! (because id be playing the dwarves so why would i attack my own capital XD)
+Joshua Rumble
It's actually not, there are bigger ones.
HalfLife(Ger) seems like you were wrong bud
Am I the only one disappointed with only having a small part of a settlement to fight in?? In my opinion the Third Age mod still looks much better than this...
If they're going to do that, they need to have bigger settlements have different levels of the settlement you can conquer at a time going further and further to the center and smaller settlements should have full castles/cities at least!
+Naveen Silva CA. After medieval 2 they've gotten lazy as fuck,
+extrememark13 Focus on the executions, ignore tactics, performance, size, scale...fun...
+Naveen Silva You say that now, right up until you spend over an hour slogging through six layers of defense after defense. I HATE siege battles in Total War. Always have, always well. Shogun 2 was the only one that made them interesting. Warhammer looks to be doing the same, while trying to also keep the scale at a more realistic tone. Afterall, how could an army of 3,000 capture a city filled with tens of thousands of people?
RapidFyrez Shogun 2 was an EXCELLENT way of doing things; I confess to being wrong there. Shogun 2, particularly fall of the samurai, is one of my absolute favorite strategy games ever. I was wrong to not give them credit for that.
+Naveen Silva thing is that if it was a HUGE settelement...a match will be boring as fuck trying to get to the city centre
Walls are too small, city itself is too small. The Dwarfs should have way better defences, because they are not interested in gaining ground. Karak's are supposed to be these forts that are almost impossible to capture, how are you going to defend it with 2 meter high walls.
*****
They done fucked up!
+Ice_Breaker stop bringing warhammer lore into a game
DeathSummer16
No mate, because this game is (well, should,) be based on the lore! They keep saying "Oh, yeah, this game we really tried to follow the lore, blah blah blah." Then they need to do so. The walls look shit, this ain't a Karak, this is a normal city with a different background so that it looks like it's underground. The main thing with Dwarfs is that they're small, the weapons they use, and the cities. Same with LOTR lore, small, axes and giant underground cities. That's just what dwarfs are supposed to be like.
+Ice_Breaker battles would always make defenders victorious than and people would always choose to play on dwarven maps it does not make game balaced. I like what they did with the cities.
+DeathSummer16
But the whole point of the dwarfs is to play defensively. I'm not saying that they should be unable to be captured, but they could've done a better job at the visuals. And making the walls higher wouldn't be a big problem, they could just make the siege towers higher. And sure, ladders would take longer to climb, but it would be very stupid if you could capture the walls of a Karak with ladders. And one giant gate would be awsome, a big entry point for the attacker, but a good choke point for the defender. Maybe trow in a bridge or something in front of that gate and place some statues next to it. It's a missed opportunity sadly.
mh Looks awesome but i hoped dwarfen cities would be more Special like in the hobbit because this is basically a normal City in a mountain :(
Yeah i am a little disapointed with thus city
+Sebastian Schwärzel Agreed, very disappointed with the dwarf cities. The sieges should take place outside first then work their way inside.
Drek McMeme I know right
+Sebastian Schwärzel This is supposed to be a tier 1 fortress, this is a fortress, not a Kerak, or at least thats what I read...but yes I somehow agree, it looks very bad.
Боян Бориславов Цонев Then there's still hope that Karak's will be proper Dwarven cities.
You do know the finished product will look like very little has improved as they claimed both Rome 2 and Attila would look better than they made it out to be but it never was!
"Not a TI, just a 980."
"...just a 980."
JUST
A
980
*cries in corner*
Seeing this video made the decision of whether I will get this when it comes out or not. The textures of the city/the unoriginal design of it makes me sick and angry. Going to definitely wait and see before I buy, even if I won't get FUCKING CHAOS as a faction for free. Actually fuck it, remembering the fact they left out what is arguably one of the most important factions just made me even angrier, fuck CA
I can say from now that I hate fighting the dwarves!!
I loved how it looked, but I felt that it's a bit too dark..
I mean I couldn't really see it well
+ArabicWarLord They said during the Azhag battle (which i think was the same build as this one?), that they were still fiddling around with the lighting. I'm sure it'll look very nice on release tbh.
Khorney
I remember them talking about the light reflections on the units and the banners, but I don't recall anyone talking about the darkness or brightness thing, especially that it was not the real issue in that video..
I hope they'll fix it anyways
+ArabicWarLord to be fair the battle is underground so it should be dark, if not darker than it is already
+ArabicWarLord There going to fix the lighting, I geuss its not on there main list of fixing things
+ArabicWarLord lighting has been improved
Ya, I'm not sure how you came up with the words "amazing" to describe the city, or any of the graphics for that matter. It doesn't look good at all.
+Jonathan Whitley Yes it does, Jonathan.
+Xezarious42 Stop lying to yourself, the Dwarf city should be much better than this.
Chan Kevin I can't imagine how could you make a better one.
+Xezarious42 Then you may want to do some research about it
Chan Kevin I don't see the point.
I love how he describes the gates being smashed and all... but we don't see anything... :D I get it that it is an early build.. but be realistic... it looks like crap in its current build :D
+Scourgeborne yeah, this guy sounds really like a fucking stupid fanboy.
I understand that he is hyped... but he needs to be realistic... even graphics are horrible... he claims it is on ultra/high and even praises them :D I am a big fan of warhammer but I am also realistic when it comes to this game in its current state.
+Scourgeborne Right? I kept looking for the punchline, like they were hiding the actual graphics somewhere that I hadn't looked. This looks like a game that came out two or three years before Rome II.
+strayfies It's not so much that the graphics are bad, the actual texture quality seems pretty high on most of the siege videos, it's just this battle map seems remarkably barren compared to previous titles. Not helped in the least by the ugly lighting that just makes everything look muddy.
Ehm. I am deeply sorry, but it looked like as if there were no textures on this Karak. It looked flat.
And also there is no impact of Valgurf hitting the gate. Blatant. In medieval or some other TW (don't remember) you could see cracks or dust after each hit. The door was also not destroyed but just opened.
But i am sure, they fixed it.
+One-Two How dare they not have complete product 4 months before release!! RIOT!!
+Andre Sørensen If you watched the video you'd know that One-Two was just "correcting" WarriorofSparta who in the video praises the visuals.
+Andre Sørensen Oh mate, don't get me wrong. I am a fanboy and it's long as I have pre-purchased this game. Trying to be realistic.
BasedPeasant So Warriorofsparta is not allowed to have an oppinion without beeing "corrected"??
One-Two I just dont get why people cant accept that this is from the early stages of development. Ofc the textures wont be 100% at this point so why even bring it up??
Wait untill release, see if it's changed, if not then: RIOT!! ;)
+Andre Sørensen I do accept that. What doesn't fit is what he's saying and what i actually see.
am i'm really the only one who doesnt like this simple City structure and thinks the karaks looks bullshit?
yes, you are a special little flower!
I think that this karak is really horrible it doesn't impress
This is a dwarfen hold and not a Karack I believe
+WarriorofSparta hopefully
This looks really dead too me. The city is ugly, flat and seems like it is in alpha stage or something. Seems way less detailed than anything from Attila or Rome 2. And battles seems so fast, way to fast.
Edit: Holy crap how lazy are CA. Look at their official siege video where they are sieging the city of Altdorf.... Same exact city layout. No wonder why I think this city looks terrible. The layout was just copy pasted and not refined at all for Dwarven architecture. While Altdorf looks amazing, this just looks terrible to me.
You also have to remember the game is not even out yet, so cut CA some slack, I mean, barely anyone has played it yet.
God those textures on the outskirts of the dwarven karak are fucking trash.
It doesn't even look like they tried at all.
that's because this is an older build, if you open your ears in the beginning
+Stephen Stine hmm yes meanwhile the siege of carthage comes to mind.
+Stephen Stine Yeah I bet they revamp all their textures in 3 months. Stop being a blind dumb ass
Shogun 2 on max looks better than that...
+LuckasMS that's because youtube always lowers the quality
+Stalin Putin Not this much.
+LuckasMS you'll need sli titan x for ultra
Flip Mehiko If you do then this game just shows how horribly optimized it is.
ConorChaos well I was joking about it but most youtubers that have the game cuz you know popularity one play it on 980 ti and i7-5930x and got the game on ultra with 60 fps
sorry but it look like bullshit not even close first trailers
Did you even listen to the commentary. idiot
+golinskyy I´m sure we will see some bigger armies. I actually loved this more than the trailers. Because it´s actual gameplay. I think this will be way more fun than in other total wars. (sieges are quite the chore usually) With more room to move around. Love that monsters can destroy gates. Just like in the trailer with the huge Arachna.
+MC Mark Markson (MusicLover) i agree, although i never really got to sieges in the previous games (because i suck that bad) I feel like these sieges are more fun, especially with easier to identify units, its alot better because i can now clearly distinguish a ranged unit from a melee unit, a cavalry from infantry. because before they were just generic humans it got very confusing, but with the races now being distinct and warhammer, i can tell now so the battles are way more epic (and who wouldnt want to play as dwarves?) and may be easier for me to understand because of them being these great races
+golinskyy Torrent rulz , not supporting this DLC bullshit !!!
Czecher86 Just an excuse to be a thief. Not supporting that bullshit! Some morals you have there.
Vampire Counts can't simply throw zombies and skeletons at dwarf warriors and expect to win. You have to use hammer and anvil. Use zombies and skeletons as anvil units, and use your few high quality units to flank enemy units one by one.
What the vampire counts have is air superiority with the bats and vargheist wich deal a whole lot of damage if ypu play as the vampire counts always have more flying units. For air superiority will be the deciding factor of victory in this game.
Wich this player didnt have and should realize the power of flying units in modern war the one who controls the sky controls the battle
+Atanatari165 he just played bad, i made a comment on what could have won him the battle. Im not sure if he did it like this to make the A.I look less bad, or if it was because of the time pressure.
+TheBlackfall234 combination of time as I wanted to get another battle in after and the first siege I'd ever played on warhammer. I'll get more used to it when I get my hands on it
WarriorofSparta Well, rushing a battle and loose then happens to me too, but as i mentioned = the A.I did not look good again. I really dislike that the A.I holds Units back for probably no reason.
As if all gates were created equally, bah. The gate should be smashing the bat.
Thats nothing like a Dwarfen Karak
+Mogroka K Sometimes i want to besiege SEGA. They'll listen to customers or they'll suffer attrition.
Graphics ULTRA LOW????
it sure looks like it. I just watched a VC vs Empire siege that Total War out out and it looks way better tons of detail.
+Vladislav Shestakov no way, he said he's using a 980 card wtf lol
I like the fact they have broader roads and walls but i think the city doesn't look so cohesive, it looks like some single placed buildings , looks quite weird :/
These cities are simply amazing. Great video Warrior!
+Total War Zone cities do look a bit simplified. For the erea`s you can manauvre in. But if the AI is better able to handle sieges i agree with the decision from sega. Love the broader walls. I hope higher tier cities will be even bigger.
Daan Geboers Especially fighting on the walls and the AI hvae improved much because of this change (in this build). It's worth the smaller city size.
+Total War Zone well actually i´ve expected more from the "underground" setting. This dwarfen city just looks like a normal human city with a little bit different architecture and no skybox above. Also why is everything so flat? Shouldnt there be huge height differences in these caves? I think they missed an opportunity there.
+Total War Zone I agree for the most part. I do however think that they should go further back. In this for example I think the centre point should have been behind the two bridges, and the two alley ways to the side should have been opened up. Hopefully these will be some of the smaller cities, and they are focusing on the capitals to make them better, with tiered levels and such. I want a minas tirth style siege.
wow. how much did ca pay you ?
Hate how they pull ladders out of their arses
haha you have'n seen RTW classic where hoplites put their spears in their arses and pull swords out of their arses and than can put the swords back up their arses and pull the 10 foot spears out again
dwarves outnumbered you and they had better beards rip zombies
+Cody Archer Counting is hard I suppose
+Cody Archer haha and it was a small fort too, not even a full karak
+Cody Archer Would have been an easy win. But I understand it playing without pause for presentation. But that Varghulf would have killed the dwarfs easy if he had more support.
+MC Mark Markson (MusicLover) nahh the dwarves would win anyway because dwarves are amazing with no sin going unpunished! (I do see your point, so please dont rant at me, i just like getting into the dwarf mood)
randomeuropeanguy Hehe alright. I will give you that one ;-)
11:09 "Not just go into one mass" as he shows a huge mass of dwarves while there is just skirmishers in the cap.
He was probably meant to lose, so we cant see how bad the AI actually is
is it just me or is this graphically worse than shogun 2?
+The Dude its not a finished version, he said the one he was given was over 2 months old, they wont put out the final product until final release
+The Dude The city looks like something you would buy from Toys R us, ancient graphics.
I know it's not completely finished. But still.. I mean.. Those textures look like straight out of a 90s game.
As they are test versions, you make sure game play works good before loading in a skin.
You want to see how it looks with the latest version of graphics? Check all the official videos/pictures etc.
+The Dude really man a 90s game the original total war games are from the early 2000s.
I'm sorry but I had to root against you, I love dwarves and was so happy when they defended their Karak. xD Take that you smelly undead buggers!
Dwarves are the best though
kinda miss the tighter city streets
+OneManMilitia69 Watch Lionhearts video the streets are smaller, I geuss it depends on faction
I won't, I've lost many good men in those narrow streets... many dying from arrow fire and the rest running straight into a human meat grinder
Love for the grind!
+OneManMilitia69 it's not a grind when you flank the enemy with gunpowder units and massacre everyone XD
I think everyone agrees the campaign map looks fantastic and the units look great too. However, as a dwarfs fan, the battle map for this siege looks bland, flat and too dark. I can't see any detail. The streets are empty. I imagined a dwarf settlement being besieged would be set against the mountain side long winding stairs and roads heading up to the gate. Not a totally flat settlement like something from Rome total war. Attila had depth when it came to campaign battles. Settlements were varied and immersive. This is just disappointing
It looks awful.
+Jordan Ehdieb it just pre alpha, not even finished textures and lightning
+Jordan Ehdieb explain
Plus, the cities don't even look like cities in all the sieges. They look like arenas.
+Jordan Ehdieb so like every total war game.
Arkiham then why the fuck are you watching their videos
"Amazing". When the hype goes to your head.
People who talked about the lore really made my expectations of Dwarven keeps really high. This city sucks.
+Ravenzx Zanganzx this isent a final build.
+Ravenzx Zanganzx They look like this because CA felt like half assing it dwarf karaks look alot different than this
+Mikee Tyson We're one month from release, how do you expect them to change the ENTIRE FU***** KARAK FROM THIS SH**, TO THIS=???? lucerne.wikia.com/wiki/Karak_Kadrin
Jasper Daugaard cause this is a 4 month old build
Mikee Tyson *Facepalm* Why, in the holy name of Sigmar, would they give him a four month old build that looks nothing like the final build, risking the hype to be killed before it launches? It sounds more like an excuse for AI problems.
Is it just me or does that "Karak" not look like a Karak but just a fortress in a giant cave?
I mean i know that they have limited resources but this is not really seem like what a Karak would look like
When he breaches the gate, we see a classic total war AI problem: the general was wandering around by himself, just asking to be killed.
Not impressed at all. It's so dark, you cant even see the unit details, and I don't really see a huge difference with Attila. Attila still looks better than that video clip. Hope they show something better to make me want to buy this game. Right now it looks like an unfinished mod. I feel you are getting paid to say such good things about this game. You don't even say a single critic about it during this entire video.
God this looks horrific
Very disappointing siegies
rome 1 had like 10x better siege maps
how can you fall so hard from that level to this crap
+ozis ponas Maybe because the Rome battles were an archaic mess that boiled down to 'punch hole in wall, struggle with UI to organize troops in city, spend twenty minutes trying to cut down the soldiers cowering in the city square'. Siege battles in Total War have ALWAYS been shit. How have you people not realized this?
+RapidFyrez I'm sorry, but what you named here is what made Total war great. So by your logic, siege battles should not be breach the wall, spend 20 min fighting the garrison and trying to capture the city center? Long battles are frustrating? So you want a short battle, where you don't have to breach and conquer the city itself, just fight outside the siege and who ever wins gets the settlement? Do explain, because by my understanding you don't want a battle that traditionally done and how it was done during the past of our history.
+vanHelsing Helsing very well put sir
Thanks a lot WarriorofSparta. I'm glad they have improved the siege AI. I was hoping that CA would post something like this on their channel, but it seems that you have done it for them. Thanks again.
+Tsar Legacy he just played bad and i made a comment that pretty much says what could him have win the battle easily. Why the fuck would the A.I hold some Units back ? I saw that in another Siege where the A.I just got crushed and was no problem at all. The only question is, did he played bad on purpose to make the A.I look good, or was it because he didnt have much time.
Interesting. I wasn't fully paying attention my first watch through. I have seen the other videos as well after my comment was made. Thus, I'm on the sidelines again (of whether to be happy about the AI...or expect the same old shitty AI as from Rome 2 and Attila).
Tsar Legacy in all 3 sieges i saw the A.I behaved exactly the same. "oh i better hold some units back"
TheBlackfall234
But all three sieges were scripted. Well... at least this one they claim wasn't scripted. I know its too late now...but I hope they do tweak the AI to react to player moves more...i.e. decide when to be more aggressive or be more defensive.
So, Zhufbar, one of the most advanced holds of Karak Ankor, which is supposed to have one of the biggest Engineer Guilds ever, has a tiny wall as its primary defense, and a bunch of randomly placed buildings behind them? I cannot really think of a proper naughty word to express my disapointment. Dwarven cities are supposed to be the mountains themselves, the entrance being a massive gate with watchtowers and gunnery posts on both sides. It does not look even as the city they showed in the trailer of Thorgrim, and although that one ALSO was not fluff-friendly, it at least looked unique and different from some random fishing village on Tilea. You really had to mess everything up CA?
you may have think they messed up does not mean anyone else does but is you opinion
+DeathSummer16 Many other people share my opinion, friend. Just scroll through the comments
I love the fact that Siege battles are smaller. Because , either way, all other siege battle ended up being on the wall and maybe a bit behind.
They did really good with siege battle in my opinion.
Older siege battle were too big for nothing cause the AI could not take advantage of it.
City looks really bare... might be because it's early build or maybe it's just me but every ting looks really flat.. other than that it's awesome
+PCGaming And its the first tier base and not even a proper karak
The Northenface the vampire city siege looked much better imo
PCGaming Cant disagree there. The vampire town siege was great except the weird holes in the walls in the town
Honestly I would still play Call of Warhammer for Med2. Looks far richer than this and it isn't even finished.
+TheMasterFixer68 You should take a look at "Call of Warhammer: Beginning of The End Times". It's not released yet, but they already have some kick ass custom settlements, big monsters and new units pictures on Moddb.com. The Medieval 2 engine is the best of all the Total war series. Modders are doing stuff on their free time, free of charge and better than CA.
I like Warhammer, but buying a 70$ game with 5 factions, a crappy engine, probably 5 or 6 small factions DLCs at 9.99$ each, "blood and gore" DLC, one or two 25$ to 30$ expansion packs, pre-order DLC with a major faction that later will be paid DLC, not a sandbox campaign option, supporting lying developers (remember Rome 2) and fishy business practices like deleting top comments on the "Pre-order Chaos DLC video". No thanks, I will pass this one. The good old times when video games were quality products at release. Time has past and now I'm buying one or two game a year and usually it's old games at low prices. Fuck the time we are living in, it's sad.
El Zimbabwe I´ll take a look when I can. Sounds great!
not alot of sync kills i still see clutter fucks of units and so well ca keep it up making people lie to tell us how good it is
I noticed a retreat flag on the Varghulf several times. Does that mean it can crumble? I do hope that is a mistake. Vampires CAN NOT crumble. Same goes for the Ghouls.
+ReachStudioPro But they can crumble :o
+ReachStudioPro Yes they can. All undead are Unstable, but vampires don't automatically crumble when the general dies
+ReachStudioPro kinda broken to have unroutable giant monsters, i would take it in the name of balancce.
+Glen Blosser in the warhammer lore, vampires don't crumble...lol neither do the wraiths....
+ReachStudioPro maybe those units have bogstandard morale rather than a crumble mechanic (it would make more sense for the vampires especially)
Kind of a small battle. I'm a little disappointed :(
+Jordan R yeah,everyone is.But if it is to fix AI siege,maybe it is for the best.
TBH the only way that sieges were cool in the old setting would be massive multiplayer battles,because otherwise the walls just feel empty.
I agree and I was actually thinking about that. I feel like this single stretch of wall is going to make smaller multiplayer games A LOT more intense, since everyone will be funneled into one area, but at the same time it's going to limit your tactical options in larger ones AND make things a hell of a lot more crowded in 3v3, 4v4 etc. Not sure how I feel about it. I never played Atilla but I really loved how massive the cities could be and how epic it looked when I watch multiplayer videos.
+Jordan R there might not be 4v4 or 3v3 the max could be 2v2 on siege battles with 40 Troops each
+DeathSummer16 that would be a huge let down.
Honestly, I'm just happy to see a siege. I love siege conflict and Warhammer will defiantly make sieges a new experience. Now before I regret pre-ordering after something CA said, but now I've long forgotten it and really wish this game the best. I was never a big conquer of entire maps, I'm a campaign quester and with campaign mission and new siege dynamics, I think Sparta you completed my interest in Total War: Warhammer.
is it just me or does the karak look way less impressive than how he's describing it
Same layout as Altdorf (empire main city) 1 wall in both battles... I dont understand why people are happy about this ^^
Why have CA made only the tiny front end bit of their cities accessible and traversable for these sieges? As it is these cities are so much smaller than we've seen in Rome II and Attila.
+Being Nate Dyson if you cant get the pathfinding and AI to work propperly you simply remove everything that requires said pathfinding and propper AI.
How does it feel that the sieges are only 2 walls? im afraid it feels really small (and defenders have a huge advantage)?
+Bromidias I guess it depends on the size of the armies and the quality of the troops. I mean if you have 40 units all on the walls so there are no gaps then maybe, but then if they break through the gate or walls and get behind your you're stuck. And if you don't completely fill the walls, they could outflank you in the gaps
I was not only talking about the dwarfs, more like the defender will have such a huge advantage, just because the limited attack locations in a siege.
+Dan H please link the page with that info.
as far as i know they have told us they want small sieges with only 2 walls.
Defenders should always have a huge advantage during a siege battle. They done it well, I love the new siege system.
Dan H There is a comment on facebook from the developers saying that the cities do not ever have more than 2 walls, I think it's just the design that changes as the city levels up (not necessarily that they get bigger)
I will confess, I put the Mortal Kombat theme on in the background...
My infodump is finished!
Vampire Counts Infodump:
The origins of Vampires originate from the Original Necromancer, Nagash the Black. Upon Nagash's defeat and retreat into exile, Princess Neferata of Lahmia saved some of Nagash's writings and studied them greatly. She eventually distilled an Elixir of Life and, along with High Priest W'soran, became the first of the Vampires upon drinking it.
There are five major Houses of the Vampire Counts:
House Von Carstein:
The current ruling House, founded by Vlad Von Carstein. Most Vampires are either Von Carsteins or have pledged allegiance to them. Charismatic, arrogant, ambitious and wholly convinced of their House's exclusive right to rule. The Von Carsteins are the only known House who hold land populated by human subjects. The Count of each holding demands a Blood Tax as the only form of tax, which is implemented differently by each Count. They are every much undead nobility. It's current leader is Mannfred, by far the most cunning and magically adept of the bloodline. His end goal is only power; power and security from those who would take it from him. And he will take it by any means necessary.
House Lahmia:
Founded by Neferata, members of this bloodline function as eyes and ears to Neferata out in the world. They gather information and weave a web on intrigue with the aim of one day reclaiming the Land of the Dead in the south for her own. As a general rule, Lahmians are generally extremely beautiful women and exquisite swordsmasters. Many become assassins, spies and political masterminds. Neferata herself spends most of her time holed up in the World's edge Mountains where she holds a court of undead, the enthralled and her cats. Her home is built in the style of ancient Lahmia, from what she was able to salvage before it fell.
House Necrarch:
Founded by W'soran. The Necrach's are by far the most magically gifted of all the Houses; the hordes of undead they are capable of summoning can only be described as immense. Unlike Von Carsteins or Lahmias, they avoid Humans and can survive without blood for several years. They do, however, appear more monstrous. Not so much as the Strigoi, but enough that they cannot hide in plain sight. They usually inhabit ruins and abandoned buildings. W'soran was believed killed by his finest apprentice, Melkhior, in a bid for power. The truth is far more sinister - W'soran possessed Melkhior and devoured his old body. Over the years, he has continued to train other Vampires in necromantic arts, being responsible for teaching Mannfred Von Carstein. Again one of his pupils, Zacharias, appeared to murder and devour him; and again W'soran in actuality took Zacharias's body for his own. Now known as Zacharias the Everliving, all know better than to challenge him.
House Blood Dragon:
The greatest of all vampire warriors. The Order of the Blood Dragon was originally an Imperial knightly order, holding Blood Keep on the Bretonnian border. Then one night, they were corrupted by a follower of Abhorash, former protector to queen Neferata of the long-destroyed Lahmia. This follower bested every knight in single combat, sparing those who fought with honour. The Empire eventually sent a Witch Hunter and a massive army to storm the keep and destroy the fallen order. The Blood Dragons scattered but endured. Now however, rumours abound that the keep is once more occupied... The Blood Dragons are some of the finest warriors in the Warhammer world, all seeking to prove themselves worthy to Abhorash; that he might deign to share his knowledge to them. Long ago, Abhorash fought a dragon to the death at the peak of one of the World's Edge Mountains and drained it's blood upon slaying it; from then on, his hunger ceased. He waits on that very mountain peak for those of his followers who prove themselves worthy enough to be granted his blood and martial knowledge.
House Strigoi:
Founded by the long-dead Ushoran, the Strigoi Ghoul Kings once held a mighty domain. Now however, all that is gone. Outwitted by Neferata and their realm toppled by Greenskins, they are in hiding. Forced to dwell in the darkest, deepest hidden places many of the Strigoi have turned feral. Over time they have morphed into hunchbacked, grotesque monstrosities with limited impulse control and a taste for savagery. This causes ghouls to gravitate to them and often form grotesque courts. From their catacombs and graveyards, they spy on the other vampires and plot for their return to glory. Occasionally, a Strigoi becomes powerful enough and lucid enough to raise a large army to either overthrow their rival Houses or journey to the ruins of their old kingdom in an effort to retake it. Such efforts have always been thwarted by either masterful counterplotting from the other houses, the inexorable horde of Greenskins or even occasionally the disciplined, skeleton armies of the Tomb Kings in vengeance for the destruction of their lands.
Necromancers frequently work with vampires - being pariahs in most other circles. Best known of these are Nagash the Black, inventor of necromancy itself, and Heinrich Kemmler, The Lichemaster. Both have displayed an absolute willingness to commit any atrocity to obtain mastery over death.
Most Vampire Count troops are rather un-diverse: skeletons, zombies, ghouls, repeat. It is their special and rare units that are truly exceptional:
The Varghulf - A vampire who has given in to his or her most primal and basic instincts and become little more than a savage beast. There is very little of the individual that once was remaining.
The Vargheist - tThose who lose in the game of vampire politics face unpleasant fates. The Von Carsteins over the centuries have developed some especially unpleasant torments for their beaten opponents. One such fate is to be locked inside one's own coffin - being left to become a prisoner of one's own starvation. This drives them insane and warps them into a beast similar in many ways to a Varghulf, yet distinctly separate. They posses enough self awareness to be a aware of their living hell.
Terrorgheist - An undead vampire bat the size of a dragon, usually ridden by Strigoi vampires. they bind to their masters and are inseparably loyal.
The Zombie Dragon - It's a dragon that's been raised by necromancy; do I need to say more?
Banshees - spirits of revenge and retribution with a deadly shriek.
Wraiths - The most dangerous of all undead. The vengeful spirits of long dead necromancers clinging on desperately to life.
Spirit Hosts - The souls of the damned stripped of all body and identity; they scream endlessly.
Crypt Horrors - Best described as a ghoul equivalent to a troll.
love this, even though I knew a majority I appreciate you trying to teach the uneducated on Warhammer
Dwarves > everyone else IMO
Kurama the Ninth Byjuu
I will confess that this is mostly IIRC since it has been a while since I have followed Warhammer in depth. If I make any mistakes or if things have changed from what they used to be, I'd very much appreciate correction.
I'm a Wood Elves/Greenskins/Bretonnia person myself.
+eVeNmOrEiNsAnItY wow, good work man!
WarriorofSparta
Thanks, I'll see if I can do infodumps for other major factions in Warhammer at a later date.
WarriorofSparta
Oh and while I remember, don't know if you saw it but there's a Bretonnia infodump on your Bretonnian Knights video.
14:35 .. that 'vampiric speed' they mentioned xD
+PCGaming yeah i hope that is worked on
Is this it? Is this all you can conjure, CA..? Srsly that Karak is just a normal city with some changed background images
+juiuffophiguo My apologies this actually just a hold, a karak would be different to this
+WarriorofSparta Oh thank god I was begining to worry! So will there be any vids on an actual karak coming up? :)
+juiuffophiguo You are the embodiment of what is wrong with the total war community, will you ever be pleased?
+WarriorofSparta if only i had arms ): this potato will be peeled
+TheAow4321 Uh yes? When CA keep their promises and do things properly I will be very pleased. It's rathe simple, really, if their idea of a dwarven karak is a reskinned human city then yes I reserve the right to complain about it. I mean I been a fan of the franchise since the first Rome: total war, but let's be honest here they don't really have a history of proving doubters wrong when they release a game have they?
If modders in M2TW can make Moria, I'm certain CA can make a proper Dwarfen Karak... Honestly, what they're telling each other is
CA employee #1: "Let's make this game look so different and new that no one will notice the stuff we fucked up on."
CA employee #2: "Like Rome 2? That's genius!"
Yet, despite how bad CA's games get, they still get our money. What we want in a game doesn't matter. We're just going to throw our money at them so they can keep pumping out games that decrease in quality release after release. This is why games get worse. It isn't the greed of big companies that causes bad games, it's the support and money they get from us. The best thing we can do for this particular game is wait and see how it turns out. If it's good, buy it. If it's bad, don't give in to the hype... *please*.
Really disappointed with the Dwarven Karak. The keep with the huge statue in the background looks like it'd be fantastic fun to fight over, but since it's just background fluff, the karak seems like a smaller, less exciting settlement from any other TW game.
My apologies with that as this is not a full on Karack but just a smaller hold
Can you at least destroy those ladders? Or are they another stupid torches... ?
The graphics look like shit tbh
+DerMetzFetz No they don't, they look really cool.
+Xezarious42 Don't lie, we all have human eyes here and we clearly can't see shit
Sire Triste That is a question of lighting, not graphics, and they already said that they are still working on the lighting.
The graphics themselves are awesome.
Xezarious42 That's not something we can judge in this video.
+Xezarious42 yes they do, they're really shit
looks way to dark, all i see is yellow arrows fighting eachother.
Isn't there a law saying that when someone is being sponsored, they have to state so?
Yeah and this ain't!
+Atheos, OOOOOH REKT OH!!!! lol jk
+Atheos There is also a description under videos. Try reading it sometime
cannot fucking wait for Gorebeast chariots !
chaos is going to be so visually awesome
They should really amp up the gate's hit points, the varghulf destroyed that gate in like a minute! What's the point of the walls then? I feel this have been a problem with Total war siege battles for a while...
+BillyPilgrim things like this will be worked on till the full release, this is a 3 month old build.
WarriorofSparta lets hope so
Looks like this video is more related to a standard Total War rather than a Warhammer game.
+Sire Triste It's a Total War game, what would you expected?
Simone Naldoni Actually it's supposed to be both a Warhammer and a Total War game.
And I can't feel it here. Have you seen this city? It looks good for a TW, but it's ridiculous in the Warhammer world.
Cool video, but why is it so dark? Or am I the only one having trouble seeing things behind the wall?
are you blind? you can't see the black soldiers in the black background with 0 lighting? work on your seeing game dude.
+Sun Jetzu lighting has been improved :)
Good commentary, though, personally I think an idea is using the Varghulf for taking out the ranged units. If It's anything like former TW games they won't have a lot of skirmishing potential and will probably die off like flies. And the game just overall looks incredible. Really looking forward to it, and praying they don't extend the release date further.
I expected much better design for cities. This looks like a Rome 2 mod at best; same shitty city combat with different skin.
love the videos WarriorofSparta, please release more of these warhammer videos as much as you can.
why can every single unit in the game pull ladders out of nowhere?
I think CA missed an opportunity here. Dwarven Karaks also had a big outside gate/wall for the main entrance. I think that would have been cool to siege as the "castle" would be a small fort in front of a mountain
There is zero detail in that city...
I don't think you might remember me but we used to play a lot together before you became a youtuber. My name was Ozric Tentacles back then. :)
How dare you attack the mighty dwarves! this will be remembered in the great book of grudges....when the game comes out, ill be sure to settle it (hehe i love dwarves)
+randomeuropeanguy dwafs
+randomeuropeanguy haha me too
+Asorban Towel lol, its dwarves look it up :) (your probably just trying to joke or something)
+randomeuropeanguy It's Dwarfs in Warhammer.
+Asorban Towel hmmm but thats not the plural of dwarf.....dwarves is, im confused so therefore not editing it (my way of saying dwarves so there.....)
really enjoyed the video, loved your enthusiasm and commentary. nice to see someone with something positive to say. =]
really don't like the blue flame in the skeletons eyes
+Noah Martz Would be cool if the blue flame in the eyes was because of a buff from something like a corpse cart or other magic.
Nice battle and the fortress looks freaking awesome on the designs and everything that is but I do hhope the lighting is improved a lot in the current build
The more i see of this game the less i want it... :c
1. No mod support.
2. Lazy animations.
3. Cities look the same. (Dwarven Karak & Human Capitol have the exact same layout.)
4. Teleport-Ladders.
5. Chaos Preorder bs.
Sigh... I had such such high hopes for this.
Kinda sad that Total War is so desperate for so much good press to make up for Rome 2 the disaster they will give this game to nobodies like this guy.
So much lol in this comment
WarriorofSparta 31 Minutes your my new record.
+Jason Leonardo have a medal
+Jason Leonardo didn't like it? don't bother commenting
ArtificialImPulse
But wheres the fun in that?
It's now April - where are the most up-to-date previews of the games? Why the fuck would we want to see something done 2-3 months ago? We are supposed to want to buy the game from what we see in the previews, I have a 980ti and if this is being run on a 980 on ULTRA settings it can fuck right off or they are lying to your face. Looks like absolute trash not a 2-3 month old build but a 2008-9 built game. Why is the city so fucking bland? No details on anything, no lighting, no textures, doesn't look like a Dwarven city at all.
The gameplay was so dark you might as well have stuffed the camera in a sock and filmed it through it, we would have been given the exact same result. Performance isn't dropping? Well, its pretty hard to drop from black blocks on a grey background. Oh the lighting needed to be adjusted? really? who in the development team let it get to the point where you would show that crap to the public without thinking "hmmm this looks a bit dark and shit...we should probably fix that first" are they blind? Do they play through squinting eyes?
If this was a PR promotion then they wasted 30 minutes of your time and have turned a lot of people off the game. I was amped for the game (even with the DLC bullshit) but seriously, this is fucking atrocious.
This is 2016, shitty quality $70 gaming titles are unacceptable especially if going with the DLC option.
+ViKtiM001 Truth.
+ViKtiM001 Poor kid, the game is not pretty enough :( :( :( :( :( :(
Not Pretty? Are you blind? It looks fucking terrible, It's 2016 and this game looks like a poorer version of Rome 2. You want to accept shit and pay top dollar for it? Go ahead. You want to Fangirl your brains out because it's Warhammer? Go ahead.
Don't complain when you're treated like a Corporation's bitch in the future though.Who knows, maybe the next DLC content will be you have to buy the upgraded graphics.
+ViKtiM001 Dude calm the fuck down and watch some other videos, game looks great this video is just super dark for some reason.
Dean Cutler You must be about 12 if you think "darkness" is the only problem and not the horrible textures, animations, lighting etc. One day you'll grow up to have a bit more of an ability to understand criticism.
Imagine if this was moddable. A LoTR mod (Another Third Age) would be perfect. Thanks for the video!
wtf this is nothing like the ingame cinematic... (high king thorgrim grudgebearer)... damnit ca
It feels like early in the game the Vampires will be trying to keep their units together, splitting weak infantry up often ends poorly.
I can't see anything.Its too dark.All i see is yellow and red circles around the units.The map is cool but its just too dark.
+George Ginev He said he was playing on an old bild. In on of their last vid, CA said that the lighting have been redone because they found it too dark.
Thanks for the info.It seems i miss something :D
I understand that there may have been a bit of pressure to display everything in a positive light, given you were invited down, but a bit of cynicism goes a long way. I noticed a few performance drops, and really clunky animations, especially on the gate destruction