Does the iPad make sense as a computer now?
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- At WWDC 2019, Apple introduced iPadOS, which has all-new ways to interact with this tablet computer. There are new window options, gestures, and a whole new interaction language. In this episode of Processor, Dieter Bohn nerds out on the idea that UI has a grammar and the iPad’s interface might not be as intuitive as it used to be.
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“Well no more.”
Best edit ever. 🤣
Kenneth Tanaka that was clean 😄
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The language bit at 4:00 is actually very informative. Thank you!
honestly the best part of the video
Apple saw the verge review and called the meeting immediately. 😆
after much discussion in the meeting, apple decide to add another gesture call Live Long and Prosper ;)
Ha ha ha
@@Ashyy-jd3ry After seeing this they probably made each gesture a pay to use thing. Each gesture $1000
No, they obviously didn't. There are 1000s of videos complaining about the SAME exact things.
(I know this might be partially a joke but - let's be honest - only partially.)
WOW, that really did happen.
Confirmed: Apple executives are subscribed to the Verge.
Hopefully they didn't get any computer building tips 😉... Sorry, someone had to say it.
@aku noice
More like Verge is subscribed to Apple's payroll.
This guy is what makes the Verge worth it
+1
I see dieter i click
I hate to say this but it's true
When you see Dieter you click
Oh, isn’t his name “The Vergie”? Thought it was his company 😝😂😂
The grammar and language metaphor was pretty darn cool. Well done!
I have a UX, UI and Web Design Background. The Grammar portion of this video is dead on. UI is extremely important and needs to convey a lot. I'm glad you highlighted what people "think" intuitive means vs what it actually means as well. Well done.
Indeed. I’m worried about the affordance of all these convenient features. My father is seventy-something and the main thing he sure knows is that clicking the home button brings back the home screen... but more and more some features are becoming « invisible » hidden behind a not tangible gesture that he hasn’t learn (not having the need to use it so often) or not coming to his mind because it’s now hidden for slickness purpose... but I guess the capabilities he’s loosing with iOS getting mature is compensated with being able to « wire » a mouse to his tactile tablet... strange times...
I can't believe you managed all that in 1 minute, and umm 3 seconds. (I learned more in this video than I bargained for, thank you).
The grammar part was super interesting
Ikr😂😂
Nope 👎
t0mbola nope on you. Yup it was super interesting. 👍😄
If you liked it, I suggest taking a graduate course in Linguistics! It's mind-blowing the things our brain does without us even realizing.
@@xabiergranja haha idk, more of an engineering guy but thanks anyways
This video was soooo much better than I expected. Smart, well edited, informative! Good job, guys!!!
“I’ve got an English degree and I’m going to use it damn it!” Lmao that was a good one
And here I am figuring out where to use my MBA
Metaphor and thought book is also a nice touch.
English degrees should only be offered if you’re going into teaching, because otherwise it’s useless
@@henpupb they can also be used for journalism
@@henpupb And copywriting, screenwriting, technical writing, publishing, public relations, and many others. It really depends on how much use you get out of it, like any other degree.
Wow. The way you linked “ grammar “ to the UI is spectacular. It was very smooth. Bravo! Loved every second of this video. Keep it up bro!
I love this video, specifically the breakdown of language and how it applies to the iPad OS. I would love to see a more in-depth video on this.
I'm a computer science master's graduate and honestly, I've never heard anyone explain user interface to me in a more succinct way that could be repeated to 'non-techys'. Dieter you continue to do great work, I look forward to seeing your videos pop in my feed and they're nearly always an instant watch!
Apple replying to The Verge..😂😂
Exactly
Now tell the verge to review the price of their products
NISHANT SINGH KASHI
I was thinking exactly the same while watching the keynote live.
lol right. every reviewer said those things
Makes sense
This language spectrum thing is superior. 60 seconds of fascination and mind satisfaction. And it took only 60 secs!
That grammar stuff is actually really interesting! Keep it up!
I literally said "if this video isn't by deiter I'm not gonna watch it" so I was very happy
He's the only person I still follow on Verge.
Only tech saavy of the crew. Nilay is legit too tho
Get Dieter to do all the Verge videos! Top class as usual.
I totally agree. Superb, unique insights.
I can't stand him personally.
No more arrogant Nilay!
He used to be really awkward back when he started, with like really bad dad jokes n stuff 😂
Yes! He really feels objective, and that's what I love about him.
Loved the edit between the review and WWDC footage! HUGE MEME! Hahahah great loved it
I legitimately listened to the part of language on a spectrum level analogy. It was really interesting! Would love to have someone have an in - depth discussion of it.
4:40 the METHODS of a program must correspond with its INTERFACE for communicating with its users. I have an MA in English (comparative British/French Lit) from 1981 and learned to program both FORTAN and COBOL on an IMB Mainframe as undergraduate electives. I found it impossible to study "grammar" as an Engiish Major of the 1970s; Linguistics was generally based on Noam Chomsky's Aspects of the Theory of Syntax (where "syntax" was understood to be the formal component with "semantics" of meaning. That's where the DOD grants were being awarded. This was the "cognitive" branch of Psychology in those days; the alternative was "structural" Linguistics which referred to BF Skinner's Beyond Freedom and Dignity. The difference was allegedly based on how Descartes differs from Locke in Philosophy (I minored in Philosophy) by professors who had actually read neither one. A recruiter from IMB told me in 1980 that it was no problem that my major was in English rather than Math or Business (there was no Computer Science department at SDSU in those days) since they only wanted to know you could handle the "discipline" of becoming a true scientist. But I wouldn't be able to work on developing compilers based on transformational grammar, the scheme of generative Linguistics without a PhD in Electrical Engineering. Get the picture? Where does your normal PhD in Electrical Engineering learn to structure a paragraph?
I thought it was pretty neat! Never thought about it that even though I felt like I understand it; just never had to put it into words before
“Desktop-class” browsing has been available for ages, but hidden...
I am always delighted with the way Dieter explains things. Keep it up!
That grammar thing made a LOT of sense and I'd LOVE an entire video series on stuff like that. That visual and analogy REALLY helps put the idea of "flexibility" in pertaining to mathematics, spoken language, and computer assets like user interface and code, into perspective.
dieter is my fav verge reviewer
I survived with an iPad Pro during my Fall semester with ease. I have a 2017 MacBook Pro now and I'm in love but IPads just got way more powerful and seamless
Hey could you guys put a Dieter notice in the title or thumbnail so we know whether to watch the video or not
that harsh
9Br3ak3r exactly I’m subscribed to this channel just for Dieter
Place your cursor on the thumbnail like I do, you see Dieter, click.
Processor is his series, if that helps
You like Dieter? I like him!!
Absolutely. Complicated gestures for most people are well complicated. That and a gesture just isn't quicker than single pressing a button often.
Extremely accurate and easy-to-understand review about the biggest update to iPad ever. Good job, really good job!
Except it wasn't a review.
The grammar lesson made me more excited than all of WWDC ♥️
As a UX designer, I really love your points in this video!
Same here David
Same here Abhishek
A quick breakdown of The Verge videos. Dieter: informative, engaging, professional in every way. Everyone else: Apple adverts.
As a UX Designer - I think You've nailed it :)
😊
Same here Artur
5:15 - Perhaps this is the dawn of a future nursery rhyme?
"One little piggy lets you do stuff. Two little piggies to select. Three little piggies let you edit your work. And four little piggies take you home."
The OS running on the iPad is slowly becoming what Windows 8 (not for desktops obviously) should have been seven years ago
But refrigerator toaster
I totally agree. When I reviewed the surface pro, windows was the only thing which was terrible on it.
Windows 8 was great, nobody bothered to install 3rd party software to get rid of the in-your-face start menu.. that was basically the only problem people had with Windows 8... and the complaints now about windows 10 is basically that they shove updates down your throat, reboot your computer at will no matter what work you have open.
@@michaelxz1305 I agree. I used 8.1 extensively and had no complaints with it.
@@MrMuBot same used it for years
It'd be cool if iPadOS somehow non-intrusively showed reminders of the gestures when you do it the slow way. That would make it analogous to showing the keyboard shortcuts in the menu. But I can't imagine how it could do that non-intrusively.
Bert Huang I was having this discussion with my uncle with regards to 3D Touch on iPhone. Something like the tips app that gives you a little notification “did you know that you could do this?” And then be able to configure tips app notifications from the same notification so that you don’t have to be bothered by it again should you wish.
Dieter is the reason why Verge is still watchable
When you read the grammar comments before watching up to that part in the video yet...
And I oOp-
Phenomenal video. Anything Dieter puts out is gold, especially the “iPad as your computer” stuff! Love it!
Honestly most of these verge videos come off as someone from the rigid tech language world trying their best to speak the natural flexible language but I think you do a great job of breaking down why it’s important to know the difference. Good job.
For most people; this an Ipad or alike are more than enough. Now with you able to use flash drives with it is a game changer.
I am a linguist, but I'm also training to become an app developer. I thought the language part in the video was very interesting. Can you make a specific video to elaborate on this part?
The verge: you have one minute
Dieter Bohn: 0:60 seconds it is
Me:
Apple: Now you can plug in a pendrive.
Crowd: Cheering and Applauding.
06:36 real meaning of word INTUITIVE. 😎
lot of language and grammar stuff is going on here..😉
Dieter Bohn is the reason I watch the Verge. His bigger picture excursions beyond a mere gadget review are what sets this man apart from the rest. He's my new Topolsky!
I really like all the gestures, so much smoother than tablet mode on Windows. Kinda tempting....
Ben Hiatt buy an old gen ipad and try it out! ipadOS looks really good
I've never heard anyone address this interesting and important issue before so good job.
Wait 4 fingers? I've always thought it was 5!
I like exactly the fact that if one wants to do something advanced, there are ways to do so. If someone just wants to browse the web, it’s the same UX experience
iPad Pro is the only iOS device i ever owned. It helps me a lot with my work. iPadOS is gonna take it to a whole new level
Me too
That Grammar and languages metaphor surely deserves more than 1 minute. Would love a separate video just for that, possibly comparing it between multiple devices? Anyway, really cool video!
Great video guys. Love the insight here. So tired of folks listing out specs and features rather then taking the extra time to dive into how this affects user behavior.
I didn’t know where you were going to go with the grammar thing, but you explained it and broke it all down exceptionally well in that one minute time frame.
The Verge being like a concerning parent in a parent teacher conference 😂
Exceptional video. Summing up the concept of input grammar in 1 min is actually impressive. Good job!
If we keep asking for a classic desktop environment, what’s the point of using an iPad? At some point one has to choose between learning the new paradigm or keep using the old one.
always this arguement, you can have a more custom environment like a desktop or you can customize it like an ipad. You can have mouse support like a laptop or use it without like ipad. You can have a keyboard like a laptop or use it only as a tablet. With options and choices you can have a more powerful and useful device or use it a simple as you want. I don't understand people who want less features and options for their money. You've already paid for the hardware, make the OS as powerful and useful as possible
Some things are better done in a desktop UI. Some things in a mobile UI. If you're using a device while standing on a train surfing the net you will use it very differently from when you're sitting at a desk working in Excel. Windows tablets let you choose. Choose a mobile UI (that Apple have been copying for years, from multitasking to mouse support) for easy and fast touch use or choose the full familiar desktop UI for working at a desk. Or switch between the two. Or use the desktop UI while on the bus or the mobile UI at your desk. Whatever you prefer and whatever suits what you are doing.
So why do you have to choose when you can have both? Millions of people drive cars and millions of people ride bikes. No one is saying we should only have one, and millions of people happily switch from one to the other when it suits them.
You missed what I think is the most important new feature of iPadOS namely the ability to use a mouse for controlling an iPad via an on screen cursor. Not only does this allow for more fine control of the iPad functions than does touching the screen but it literally transforms the iPad into a full blown laptop computer that is both super thin and super lightweight. Absolutely revolutionary! (Pete)
Love Dieter and his non-linear style of video hosting. Makes it fresh and charming every time.
Keep it up!
Totally agree.
Dieter, can you start a series where you're just talking about grammar stuff like this and relating it to technology? I'd totally watch that.
Legit all of The Verge's stuff about Apple is spot on
lol, Because the script is supplied by Apple.
He's totally right. If I gave this to my mum with no learning she'd never just naturally built the skill set over time to know and use those gestures. Great video
Just ordered the Ipad Pro 11" in space grey, with the keyboard and apple pencil! can't wait!
What a waste of money man🙄 This thing will never compare to a surface pro
It definitely will an overall smoother experience and fits perfect in my apple eco system
Unless you don't have a laptop I would suggest dropping the keyboard. Terrible piece of junk. Coming from someone who has iPad pro with pencil and keyboard.
I also have a MacBook pro.
If you're a student, I highly recommend the Surface Pro. I have had the Surface Pro 4 and it was one of the best purchases for school I have made.
I've had/have the Surface Pro 4, Surface Book 2, MacBook Pro 2018, iPad Pro 10.5.
For school, Surface Pro is best as a 2-in-1.
Never thought I'd get a grammar lesson from an iPad video
DIETER IS THE BEST🤩
Videos like this one reinforce my faith in humanity. Looking at technology using a Linguistic lens is really ingenious. Way to go, Deitor! We need more of these videos in the world.
It shows. When they had difficulties during the demo.
The language spectrum portion of the video made absolute perfect sense to me but I was also incredibly baked while watching it. This was also the best endorsement the iPad could get and am looking into purchasing one.
I'm very tech savvy, but I know all these new gestures will be a pain in the arse to learn. Grandma will never be able to use them unless someone teaches her.
So teach her
Your video makes perfect sense. The fact that more time passes by and less gestures are added/changed over the years would make things intuitive in an iPad.
It's satisfying how he used exactly 20 seconds for explaining each end of the spectrum.
I believe one of the metaphors behind iPad gestures is "friction." The more fingers you use, the more friction you can apply, and the more you can affect the UI. One finger: select stuff. Four fingers: minimize an entire app.
This could be your best video ever. Great job guys 💪🏼
I watch the verge only because the person who talking in the video makes it very easy to understand and really well explained in both ways for normal consumer and pro users. Although liked the grammar theory which is not so common but make it sense and very easy to understand.
This time they literally heard the verge from “The Verge”. And kinda excited.
I personally think that the grammar metaphor was spot on, it taught me not only about where the iPad's gesture fall in terms of intuitiveness, but it also gave me a new perspective on languages 😄. Great👍
I screamed when they announced the iPadOS
The language/grammar spectrum part was superb.
3:54 was kinda excited to learn semiotics should have given at least 3 mins but oh well..
really nice vid tho keep it up.
I’ve always wanted an iPad for years now but I’ve been waiting patiently for iPads to be able to replace a standard lap top. We are getting closer to seeing this happen and I’m getting closer to buying one. I say another 2-3 years that day may finally come and I’ll finally have one.
Even the person on stage got confused. So, you're absolutely right.
On the 'grammar', it will be a form of code like ASL and other variations of it in other languages. The gestures are based on natural moves... I think for the most part it will be easier to learn than a formal code.
dude... surely you remember in the early days of computing ... they came with huge manuals... they even had a startup video with tutorials and there was a massive boom in computer magazines that taught you how to actually use your computers... but over the years as we became used to computers we kinda got rid of the thick manuals, needed fewer tutorials etc...
Tablets have been around for quite some time and so the normal gestures have kinda become second nature... new gestures will need to be used but the more they are used the better we will be with them. I think the ipad language for gestures is no different to computers and laptops - actually, the macbook's gestures are similar (and i guess a little more chaotic) but you can few little preview videos for them - maybe ipad could do the same.
Came here for a tech review, got a grammar lesson. Well done Dieter!
Dieter Bohn - the only Verge reviewer that people watch
My biggest issue with using an iPad as a laptop was the inability to connect USB flash drives and all the dongle fuss. But I think an adapter with multiple ports is already available, so the addition of flash drive compatibility really just changes the game, at least for me. It'll become a great device with even more functionalities.
On another note, it would be fantastic if the next mid-range priced iPad came this year already, with support for the 2nd generation Apple Pencil and Face ID. Still, I don't see that happening with the presence of the A12 processor powered iPad Air and iPad Mini.
I love the grammar idea, it's genius
I agree with your point and you've presented it perfectly. But I guess it's also worth mentioning the iPad has been around for almost 10 years now. Although these new gestures had just been introduced, there's a background knowledge from all these years ago that *supposedly* will make it easier for eveyone who's familiar with the iPad gestures to learn all this new stuff.
But anyway, great vídeo as always.
I think 3D Touch was more of an easier advanced input method to learn. I use it all the time for text selection.
If they take it away I’ll be pissed
From what I've read, it's already tooken away, sorry.
they replaced t with haptic touch for all iphones and ipads
Phil Gaskill TAKEN
Sad we didn’t get a semiotics lecture. The dynamic between 1st order symbol-symbolized and a second or third order abstraction (UX) is very interesting and could be useful tool to explain why, for example, an iPad makes more sense to someone with no existing second order abstraction (is: a child or older person who never used a computer) versus someone with an existing second order abstraction, or even multiple so.
Was waiting for this video. The verge is obsessed with the iPad.
Because it has the potential to be huge.
Dieter is a nerd and that’s why I enjoy watching his videos the most.
loved the geeky grammar thoughts, amazing stuff! Keep it up
I really want Dieter to nerd around more with his linguistic knowledge now!
This guy needs to open his own channel!!!
Agreed!!
This is honestly one of the best, if not the best, reviews I have ever seen. You should make your own channel.
Love the video, from the review, to the animations, transitions, everythiiinggggg so sleek
Your observation about the ‘grammar’ of iPad gesture was ingenious. Something I had felt, but could not put into words. Great review
I think it depends upon the user that which kind of the stuff is more smooth and faster either in Mac or in iPad.
And the iPad OS is just one step closer to make user addicted to iPad more than the Mac.😀
On the iPad Pro it has procreate (the drawing app) and it has put in gestures in for copying, pasting, selecting a layer, etc. this app with the gestures works very well but I can’t imagine younger people picking up on it quickly. But I do have a feeling that like procreate, people will eventually know how to use these gestures in an efficient way.