Interesting idea and execution. It looks clunky though, like really thick in the pivot area. If it was made of metal it’ll probably be just as heavy as a Leatherman. It also appears that the handles would have to open super wide to accommodate the average nut and that would make it difficult to use. I think it has potential though.
Yes. I didn’t look at the weight implications but you’re absolutely right, that would be something to consider in future iterations as EDC has to be comfortable weight wise.
So much potential! It can be scaled down to a more pocketknife-sized multitool to due its simplicity. Any weight issues for metal builds can be solved by scaling down marginally. All the smallest multitools unsurprisingly become everyone's favorites: like Leathermans's Squirt, Juice, and original PST design (all also very simple).
Cool idea! Fun to watch as well. You might want to elongate the plier head a bit as there wouldn't be a lot of wire cutter exposed, if that's something you want. As to other tools they are in the right place, just remember that the outer 2 per handle, 4 in total, can lie alongside the plier head so they can be longer (eg. blade(s), saw, file), and the inner tools obviously are restricted in their length by the plier head.
Love this idea! Great presentation too! I think this concept might be better applied to standalone EDC pliers like the mini cobras. They are very useful but not easy to carry because the handles are ‘loose’ With this idea they could have better handles and store better for pocket carry…
Interesting concept. Two things of concern: how do the pliers lock in place? The free rotating system might be problematic with opening. I also see the crisscrossing design as a pinching hazard...
That’ll be awesome. Also the STL is linked in case anyone would like to print one and check it out. I need to track down the pivot specs, I think they are 5mm diameter and 12 mm long but I will confirm and put it in the description.
Good presentation and interesting concept. One issue I see though is the V shape of the handles and having to move the handles out way too much when trying to grab onto something slightly bigger, this would be fine in a pinch but can't be comfortable with prolonged use. So just on that observation I would think the handle ergonomics and comfort just aren't there.
The 1:37 animation is also openSCAD but done with a very crude hack. I did a time-lapse of the screen and was repeatedly changing a parametric angle and rendering (I cropped off part of the screen where I was manually typing the angle).
Great Concept, i do have a question about the stress points, does having 1 pivot vs 2 pivots affect the max stress ? i wonder could you test it with printing a conventional 2 pivot design vs 1 pivot in PLA and seeing with maybe a scales or indicator where the stress comes from and how much weight it can bare. If you find the stress is managed better than the 2 pivot one then mate you might have a patent opportunity . also you were comparing sizes, if you scale for the metal to the force allowed from the PLA one maybe you could make it smaller/ thinner while maintaining the strength due to metals inherent strength over plastics.
Need to think of how much the handle is open when using pliers and mabe install a spring loaded plier to fix opening plier head mabe but definitely need to have less distance in handle when using pliers you really don't want to have Handel's open to wide when grabbing something tight with pliers but it looks like your on to something here
Not saying you should get a patent bc often it’s just too expensive and not worth it. However you might want to, uncertain. I’m sure you’ve explored the idea if you are this far in the process.
You need to completely redo the ergonomics if it's going to have a chance. The pliers head needs to be superior to anything on the market, perhaps specifically designed to work with fasteners better. You better make sure that single pivot can withstand the load pressures. With 3 and 5 pivot multitools the stress is divided amongst the pivots. Here one pivot bears all the stresses.
Tbh there’s that plus a large amount of other engineering details that are not addressed in this prototype. Some new designs took years to get right (i.e. the story of PST or the G.O.A.T tool) However there’s probably teams nowadays that can potentially knock it out in a shorter timeframe.
I hear you. Using tools and knives as fidgets is a bad idea. Probably makes videos marginally more exciting to see. Like a circus performance if you wish.
Call it "fidget factor" or whatever but I appreciate when a tool is fun to operate. It's why I carry my Free P2 more often than my Wave+, it's just fun to whip it open like a bali
@endlessnameless6480 good point actually. But unfortunately i live in the UK we cant really openly play with anything with a blade that locks . I know bro it sucks !
Speaking of Fisher Price, I think It would be cool to have cheap low-power computers made using similar technology they use for toy ones. Of course the business case may be questionable if there’s little demand.
very very interesting! I think you are on to something.
if max says so it means A LOT
Yeah…..I don’t see it.
Very interesting man i like the way you try to apply all your niche proof of concepts
Thanks for watching! I appreciate that.
Interesting idea and execution. It looks clunky though, like really thick in the pivot area. If it was made of metal it’ll probably be just as heavy as a Leatherman. It also appears that the handles would have to open super wide to accommodate the average nut and that would make it difficult to use. I think it has potential though.
Yes. I didn’t look at the weight implications but you’re absolutely right, that would be something to consider in future iterations as EDC has to be comfortable weight wise.
Interesting idea! If you can solve the problem of getting the plier heads to open once the tool is opened you’ve got something. Maybe magnets 🤷🏻♂️.
Add a spring in the pivot to force the pliers open and a friction lock when the tool is closed.
So much potential! It can be scaled down to a more pocketknife-sized multitool to due its simplicity. Any weight issues for metal builds can be solved by scaling down marginally. All the smallest multitools unsurprisingly become everyone's favorites: like Leathermans's Squirt, Juice, and original PST design (all also very simple).
Cool idea! Fun to watch as well. You might want to elongate the plier head a bit as there wouldn't be a lot of wire cutter exposed, if that's something you want. As to other tools they are in the right place, just remember that the outer 2 per handle, 4 in total, can lie alongside the plier head so they can be longer (eg. blade(s), saw, file), and the inner tools obviously are restricted in their length by the plier head.
Love this idea! Great presentation too!
I think this concept might be better applied to standalone EDC pliers like the mini cobras. They are very useful but not easy to carry because the handles are ‘loose’
With this idea they could have better handles and store better for pocket carry…
Looks great!!
Thanks!!! Trying to go for a compact size similar to the one you put together recently combining parts from multiple brands.
@@ToolTechGeek It would be really cool to see a metal concept!
One of the biggest problems I see is the opening angle of the handles. You could make the handles articulating but then you get a 3 pivot MT.
Awesome idea.
Thanks 👍
Interesting concept. Two things of concern: how do the pliers lock in place? The free rotating system might be problematic with opening. I also see the crisscrossing design as a pinching hazard...
Add a 2 position locking screwdriver with bit changer. Add large pry bar. Add 4" tanto knife. Go for urban tactical.
How much leverage does your single pivot design have versus a conventional pivot or SOG's pivot system?
Would like to know what maxlvledc would think about it
That’ll be awesome. Also the STL is linked in case anyone would like to print one and check it out. I need to track down the pivot specs, I think they are 5mm diameter and 12 mm long but I will confirm and put it in the description.
@ToolTechGeek looking forward to see a metal version!
Good presentation and interesting concept. One issue I see though is the V shape of the handles and having to move the handles out way too much when trying to grab onto something slightly bigger, this would be fine in a pinch but can't be comfortable with prolonged use. So just on that observation I would think the handle ergonomics and comfort just aren't there.
Where do the animations of the stl come from? The animation at 2:45 is from openscad.
The 1:37 animation is also openSCAD but done with a very crude hack. I did a time-lapse of the screen and was repeatedly changing a parametric angle and rendering (I cropped off part of the screen where I was manually typing the angle).
Great Concept, i do have a question about the stress points, does having 1 pivot vs 2 pivots affect the max stress ? i wonder could you test it with printing a conventional 2 pivot design vs 1 pivot in PLA and seeing with maybe a scales or indicator where the stress comes from and how much weight it can bare. If you find the stress is managed better than the 2 pivot one then mate you might have a patent opportunity .
also you were comparing sizes, if you scale for the metal to the force allowed from the PLA one maybe you could make it smaller/ thinner while maintaining the strength due to metals inherent strength over plastics.
When the plier is close, the angle of the handle must be small, here it's around 40 degree, it will be hard to squeeze
Yes, that’s a limitation with the crisscross handles. Not sure how much more leverage one could squeeze and still have some room for attachments.
How do you plan to solve the opening of the pliers? Spring loaded?
either that or some friction solution. Open to ideas!
@@ToolTechGeek Some kind of ball detent?
Need to think of how much the handle is open when using pliers and mabe install a spring loaded plier to fix opening plier head mabe but definitely need to have less distance in handle when using pliers you really don't want to have Handel's open to wide when grabbing something tight with pliers but it looks like your on to something here
Why reinvent the wheel ?
Not saying you should get a patent bc often it’s just too expensive and not worth it. However you might want to, uncertain. I’m sure you’ve explored the idea if you are this far in the process.
2025 kickstarter link needed 😅
You need to completely redo the ergonomics if it's going to have a chance. The pliers head needs to be superior to anything on the market, perhaps specifically designed to work with fasteners better. You better make sure that single pivot can withstand the load pressures. With 3 and 5 pivot multitools the stress is divided amongst the pivots. Here one pivot bears all the stresses.
Tbh there’s that plus a large amount of other engineering details that are not addressed in this prototype. Some new designs took years to get right (i.e. the story of PST or the G.O.A.T tool) However there’s probably teams nowadays that can potentially knock it out in a shorter timeframe.
shot up and take my money!
*and go check for a patent....
nice thinking, there is a way to go but interesting idea
patent this sh*t right now, or someone else will
If I see it (cheap) on Aliexpress i’ll order a few and review them. Like the unnecessary inventions guy did. 😂
Why does everything have to have a blooming fidget factor????
I hear you. Using tools and knives as fidgets is a bad idea. Probably makes videos marginally more exciting to see. Like a circus performance if you wish.
Call it "fidget factor" or whatever but I appreciate when a tool is fun to operate. It's why I carry my Free P2 more often than my Wave+, it's just fun to whip it open like a bali
@endlessnameless6480 good point actually. But unfortunately i live in the UK we cant really openly play with anything with a blade that locks .
I know bro it sucks !
If Fisher Price made tools...
Speaking of Fisher Price, I think It would be cool to have cheap low-power computers made using similar technology they use for toy ones. Of course the business case may be questionable if there’s little demand.
🤫💰❗️
Poor ergonomics
TOO noisy.