Thank you Rick. I've been waiting for this one. Mukti has a gentle movement & pointing. Her reference to the mind's insistence on Black and White is a powerful teaching. It is the first thing ego turns to and its first defense is to dismiss it. Wonderfully simple interview. Much gratitude for your work.
Boy, did this describe my experience. Sometimes my toolbox is not helpful when I become involuntarily flooded with pain, questions, insight, confusion etc. A way to address the whole matrix at its core, would be EXTREMELY helpful. The best I can do is hold my teddy bear and just remind myself that all is well.
I thank you for sharing mukti .we are expressions of our god selves in everyway imaginable. Thank you rick for your sensitvie questioning , always a delight.
Hi Rick. First of all, I love these interviews. They're amazing. Just as a disclaimer, I am not "awake." From my understanding, an awake person would not view cancer or anything in reality as a problem. The non-acceptance of reality is the core of the ego. Perhaps Mukti just misspoke or perhaps awake people are not awake 100% of the time. Love has blinded me many a time and made me say and do a lot that I normally would not do.
Kwistenbiebel200 When writing about reality you have no choice but to conceptualize because that's what words do. But they can also be sign posts to the truth. But honestly, What does your gut tell you....Would a non ego identified human have troubles? Furthermore, Mukti, states that Adayas initial attraction was because Mukti's prescence made Adaya forget his troubles. So not only does Adaya have troubles, but an outside presence gives him the ability to forget those troubles which is desirable to him.
Kwistenbiebel200 I'd say being in love is quite different when one is no longer deluded. The intense personal need and the feeling of being cut off from the loved one disappears.
+Kwistenbiebel200. Spiritual people looking for other spiritual people, they afraid to be by themselves - alone, scary for them, to be enlightened and alone, not easy, difficult to digest.
Kwistenbiebel200 Yes, and no. Longing and fulfilment can coincide. Speaking for myself, I know the erotic forces in my soul haven't died or even decreased, I just can't feel cut off from a loved person anymore, that is to say not in a radical way. (Disclaimer: I'm not always in a serene mood. Thinking of my ex-boss can still raise my blood pressure.)
I really enjoyed listening to this conversation. I think it would have been great if there was a little less emphasis on Adya. Although that was okay too.
*Roughly a 1.5 on the -4 to +4 scale* _(for explanation and disclaimers please see the end of the comment)_ *This interview is a good example why you shouldn't interview people who have already been exhaustively interviewed by conscious TV, Skeptiko or any of the other "me too" operations of this format.* It should have been about 10 seconds long: "For all interesting aspects of what I have to say, please refer to the interview I gave to conscious TV". _About the rating: anything below and including +1 means by and large a waste of time, and anything below 0 is not only worthless but damaging to the world. For comparison, on that scale, Francis Bennett would be a +3 or more and Harri Aalto would be roughly a tentative +3-3.5. Not coming up with original, independent cosmological insights bans any interviewee from > 3.0 ratings as a matter of principle._ *General Disclaimer:* the rating _pertains to an interview, not to the interviewee_. If the rating is high it means merely and exclusively that I consider the interview to be of high value relative to the stated purpose of the channel, and that it is therefore no waste of time to listen to the interview. It would _not_ imply that whatever the interviewee speaks is the truth (as if I was the arbiter over that) or that you should follow him/her or accept whatever that person offers. _That is particularly in need of emphasis if that would be an expensive enterprise_ !
You've GOT to be kidding. A nice, sweet person with a few minor insights, married to a popular Spiritual Teacher; whereby she ends up with a name meaning "Liberation." She would have fit in well with the cadre of self-congratulating New Age teachers in the 80's. In any case, she is either innocently deluded, or has fallen under the illusion that being invited to speak at the SAND spiritual meat-market has anything to do with actually being Self-Realized. (Damn, where's that eye-rolliing emoji when you really need it.)
I'm confused, Mukti states that Adaya said that when he met her for the first time all his problems seemed to go away. But wasn't Adaya supposed to be "Awake" at this time? It seems to be a contradictory statement. Can anyone make sense of this?
I guess the question is, can enlightened people still have problems? And that begs the question, what is a problem? If an enlightened person goes bankrupt, or gets cancer, etc., are those things problems? I'd say, on a relative level, they are, and they may or may not be solvable. It's just that he's aware of his true identity beyond the relative - the field of problems.
Kwistenbiebel200 Enlightenment means to be enlightened as to one's true nature. Striving for enlightenment means to try and see who you are, who or what it is you call 'me'. The suffering that is a result of identifying with the body will cease when you no longer identify with the body.
***** I think his point is that it is still not very clear what this true nature is supposed to be, and it also seems like a lot of people who are teaching and claim to be enlightened directly or implicitly make contradictory statements or at least have differing views on it. That's interesting for the least to say. Are some of them charlatans? Are some of them confused? Are they all awake at different stages? Are they all awake in their own way? And if there is a way to be awake, then we can thus not talk about any one specific kind or any 'true nature' ?
You Are That (Advaya Vedanta) +Kwistenbiebel200 Yes, but my point was in response to his questions: rather than worry about whether certain people are really enlightened or not, or whether this enlightenment if it exists will put an end to all your human suffering, or whether the purpose of life becomes clear to you on reaching so-called enlightenment, ask yourself who you truly are. Forget about enlightenment if the concept seems vague and dubious. Who do you think you are?
+Michael Hollander Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in here for fun. The difficulty in defining awakening and "true nature" is that you get to it by going off the "map" so to say. You can only understand your true nature like you understand the grandeur of the grand canyon. Of which you can see, and get, but not know the exact distance across or down it. You can see the different colored layers but not know why they are there. To know yourself is also to simultaneously NOT know yourself just like the grand canyon would not be conceptually known at first experience, but it is instinctually or intuitively known immediately. The difference here is that we have measurement standards and devices where we "could" know the grand canyon conceptually. No such standards or techniques exist for the core of human or existential nature. It is radically off the map, even though it's right in our face. Just like trying to explain a Martian edible to someone else that's neither fruit, meat or vegetable. What's it like? What's it's nature? well... you'll know something about that when you taste it! Waking up is waking up to your conceptual self ignorance as well. In a way, it's like winning a billion dollars, except 999.990.000 is stored up in assets you can't share, save with other billionaires who have them too. That last 10,000 is all liquid assets (money) that you can give to others (words). However vague it may seem, if someone challenged the awakened one to jump across this canyon they speak of, they will give you an absolute NO! They've obviously seen it, the person giving the challenge has not. The grandeur of enlightenment has been trumpeted gluttonously for millennia, the grandeur of it's disappointments have not, but should be. This is still the wild wild west of reality here, forgive teachers if they contradict one another.
The former psychologist/spiritual guide Stephen Wolinsky in one of his You Tube videos advises against attending retreats/ Satsangs run by "Enlightened couples" which would apply here yet he fails to explain why. He (Wolinsky) is a very dedicated devotee and interpreter of Nisargadatta and what he claims as the overriding need to discover who one really is would seem to imply that a husband/wife partnership is ilk suited for that purpose. I would suspect that it has to do with the mind's tendency to observe such a couple as representing a "Divine Union" and the resulting feeling/judgment that one affected by that puts them on a high pedestal and a concomitant feeling of failure to be just as apparently blissful as the perceived couple is seen.
Reverend Eslam Yes,Adyashanti is very fortunate to have such a wife.Possibly that is the reason he spends so much time in Satsang.It seems Rick never runs out of finding such Enlightened Beings.We are truly blessed to be exposed to such Great Souls as Mukti.
Reverend Eslam it seems to me that 99.9% of women in your country would have a lot to teach you. You wouldn't need a "noble" woman. You'd be fortunate to marry any one of those 99.9%.
Wonderful interview with Mukti Rick. Thank you.
Thank you Rick. I've been waiting for this one. Mukti has a gentle movement & pointing. Her reference to the mind's insistence on Black and White is a powerful teaching. It is the first thing ego turns to and its first defense is to dismiss it. Wonderfully simple interview. Much gratitude for your work.
Wonderful interview. Thank you. I love them all. Great remembrances & deeper explanations with lots of identification with this one. Many thanks.
Boy, did this describe my experience. Sometimes my toolbox is not helpful when I become involuntarily flooded with pain, questions, insight, confusion etc. A way to address the whole matrix at its core, would be EXTREMELY helpful. The best I can do is hold my teddy bear and just remind myself that all is well.
I thank you for sharing mukti .we are expressions of our god selves in everyway imaginable. Thank you rick for your sensitvie questioning , always a delight.
LOVE this woman. Down-to-earth, brilliant, self-examining, honest, methodical, guile-less, adorable!
Hi Rick. First of all, I love these interviews. They're amazing. Just as a disclaimer, I am not "awake." From my understanding, an awake person would not view cancer or anything in reality as a problem. The non-acceptance of reality is the core of the ego. Perhaps Mukti just misspoke or perhaps awake people are not awake 100% of the time. Love has blinded me many a time and made me say and do a lot that I normally would not do.
YESSS!!! We need to make a whole line of spirituality based T-shirts that subtly expose the absurdity of conceptualizing spirituality.
Kwistenbiebel200
When writing about reality you have no choice but to conceptualize because that's what words do. But they can also be sign posts to the truth. But honestly, What does your gut tell you....Would a non ego identified human have troubles? Furthermore, Mukti, states that Adayas initial attraction was because Mukti's prescence made Adaya forget his troubles. So not only does Adaya have troubles, but an outside presence gives him the ability to forget those troubles which is desirable to him.
Kwistenbiebel200 I'd say being in love is quite different when one is no longer deluded. The intense personal need and the feeling of being cut off from the loved one disappears.
+Kwistenbiebel200. Spiritual people looking for other spiritual people, they afraid to be by themselves - alone, scary for them, to be enlightened and alone, not easy, difficult to digest.
Kwistenbiebel200 Yes, and no. Longing and fulfilment can coincide. Speaking for myself, I know the erotic forces in my soul haven't died or even decreased, I just can't feel cut off from a loved person anymore, that is to say not in a radical way. (Disclaimer: I'm not always in a serene mood. Thinking of my ex-boss can still raise my blood pressure.)
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I really enjoyed listening to this conversation. I think it would have been great if there was a little less emphasis on Adya. Although that was okay too.
Is this batgp or the "Hello" magazine?
Question for Rick about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi:
Did Mahesh Yogi consider Ramana Maharshi fully or partially enlightened?
I never heard him comment on Ramana.
*Roughly a 1.5 on the -4 to +4 scale* _(for explanation and disclaimers please see the end of the comment)_
*This interview is a good example why you shouldn't interview people who have already been exhaustively interviewed by conscious TV, Skeptiko or any of the other "me too" operations of this format.* It should have been about 10 seconds long: "For all interesting aspects of what I have to say, please refer to the interview I gave to conscious TV".
_About the rating: anything below and including +1 means by and large a waste of time, and anything below 0 is not only worthless but damaging to the world. For comparison, on that scale, Francis Bennett would be a +3 or more and Harri Aalto would be roughly a tentative +3-3.5. Not coming up with original, independent cosmological insights bans any interviewee from > 3.0 ratings as a matter of principle._
*General Disclaimer:* the rating _pertains to an interview, not to the interviewee_. If the rating is high it means merely and exclusively that I consider the interview to be of high value relative to the stated purpose of the channel, and that it is therefore no waste of time to listen to the interview. It would _not_ imply that whatever the interviewee speaks is the truth (as if I was the arbiter over that) or that you should follow him/her or accept whatever that person offers. _That is particularly in need of emphasis if that would be an expensive enterprise_ !
I am currently reading this www.samharris.org/waking-up .... Would love to see and hear him on batgap.....
You've GOT to be kidding. A nice, sweet person with a few minor insights, married to a popular Spiritual Teacher; whereby she ends up with a name meaning "Liberation." She would have fit in well with the cadre of self-congratulating New Age teachers in the 80's. In any case, she is either innocently deluded, or has fallen under the illusion that being invited to speak at the SAND spiritual meat-market has anything to do with actually being Self-Realized. (Damn, where's that eye-rolliing emoji when you really need it.)
I'm confused, Mukti states that Adaya said that when he met her for the first time all his problems seemed to go away. But wasn't Adaya supposed to be "Awake" at this time? It seems to be a contradictory statement. Can anyone make sense of this?
I guess the question is, can enlightened people still have problems? And that begs the question, what is a problem? If an enlightened person goes bankrupt, or gets cancer, etc., are those things problems? I'd say, on a relative level, they are, and they may or may not be solvable. It's just that he's aware of his true identity beyond the relative - the field of problems.
Kwistenbiebel200 Enlightenment means to be enlightened as to one's true nature. Striving for enlightenment means to try and see who you are, who or what it is you call 'me'. The suffering that is a result of identifying with the body will cease when you no longer identify with the body.
*****
I think his point is that it is still not very clear what this true nature is supposed to be, and it also seems like a lot of people who are teaching and claim to be enlightened directly or implicitly make contradictory statements or at least have differing views on it. That's interesting for the least to say. Are some of them charlatans? Are some of them confused? Are they all awake at different stages? Are they all awake in their own way? And if there is a way to be awake, then we can thus not talk about any one specific kind or any 'true nature' ?
You Are That (Advaya Vedanta) +Kwistenbiebel200 Yes, but my point was in response to his questions: rather than worry about whether certain people are really enlightened or not, or whether this enlightenment if it exists will put an end to all your human suffering, or whether the purpose of life becomes clear to you on reaching so-called enlightenment, ask yourself who you truly are. Forget about enlightenment if the concept seems vague and dubious. Who do you think you are?
+Michael Hollander Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in here for fun. The difficulty in defining awakening and "true nature" is that you get
to it by going off the "map" so to say. You can only understand your
true nature like you understand the grandeur of the grand canyon. Of
which you can see, and get, but not know the exact distance across or
down it. You can see the different colored layers but not know why they
are there. To know yourself is also to simultaneously NOT know yourself
just like the grand canyon would not be conceptually known at first
experience, but it is instinctually or intuitively known immediately.
The difference here is that we have measurement standards and devices where we "could" know the grand canyon conceptually. No such standards or techniques exist for the core of human or existential nature. It is radically off the map, even though it's right in our face. Just like trying to explain a Martian edible to someone else that's neither fruit, meat or vegetable. What's it like? What's it's nature? well... you'll know something about that when you taste it! Waking up is waking up to your conceptual self ignorance as well. In a way, it's like winning a billion dollars, except 999.990.000 is stored up in assets you can't share, save with other billionaires who have them too. That last 10,000 is all liquid assets (money) that you can give to others (words).
However vague it may seem, if someone challenged the awakened one to jump across this canyon they speak of, they will give you an absolute NO! They've obviously seen it, the person giving the challenge has not. The grandeur of enlightenment has been trumpeted gluttonously for millennia, the grandeur of it's disappointments have not, but should be. This is still the wild wild west of reality here, forgive teachers if they contradict one another.
The former psychologist/spiritual guide Stephen Wolinsky in one of his You Tube videos advises against attending retreats/ Satsangs run by "Enlightened couples" which would apply here yet he fails to explain why. He (Wolinsky) is a very dedicated devotee and interpreter of Nisargadatta and what he claims as the overriding need to discover who one really is would seem to imply that a husband/wife partnership is ilk suited for that purpose. I would suspect that it has to do with the mind's tendency to observe such a couple as representing a "Divine Union" and the resulting feeling/judgment that one affected by that puts them on a high pedestal and a concomitant feeling of failure to be just as apparently blissful as the perceived couple is seen.
Don't bother with the interview until at least min 45. Haven't gone further than that yet, but until min 45 mostly abstractions.
1:15:00 still hasn't changed much so far. Yawn.
Enough for today, but at 1:23:50 it sounds as if the interview now might actually enter territory with some content. Will see tomorrow.
Soteriologe Get yourself some Paint and a canvas . Words or language is like math but life itself , your godmind is abstract.
To speak so much and to say so little.
Reverend Eslam yes,but she is such an enlightened woman...my goodness,so much wisdom.
Reverend Eslam Yes,Adyashanti is very fortunate to have such a wife.Possibly that is the reason he spends so much time in Satsang.It seems Rick never runs out of finding such Enlightened Beings.We are truly blessed to be exposed to such Great Souls as Mukti.
Reverend Eslam it seems to me that 99.9% of women in your country would have a lot to teach you. You wouldn't need a "noble" woman. You'd be fortunate to marry any one of those 99.9%.
+Mary Gwen Dungan I'm beginning to think the whole thing is just another racket.
+Mary Gwen Dungan
One almost gives in to despair.
Gobbledygook. Taking a good dump is more entertaining.