The consequences of getting caught is not what stops me from doing harmful things to others. I don’t believe in karma so that’s not it either. Avoiding causing suffering to others is the reason I don’t do harmful things, regardless of the law, and it’s because I have empathy.
It shows how laws are doing what they are supposed to do, which is at least to some degree deter those people from causing harm and suffering, who would otherwise have no problem with that.
I shudder at the thought, for whatever reason it would later be in my head forever, the guilt, I'd feel repulsed and alienated by myself, like an ultimate betrayal of my inner core. I'm an atheist and I feel sick even imagining a scenario. My psychology-science guess is that maybe people who COULD do that and forget about it by compartmentalising it for the rest of their lives - simply assume all people would do the same for gain if they could get away with it?
As a therapist with midrange emotional empathy, I can absolutely see how someone with low emotional empathy could be a great therapist and more inoculated against burnout! I find my highly empathetic colleagues struggle with overwhelm at times Edited to clarify: I’m referring to EMOTIONAL empathy, where one FEELS what the other person is feeling. Not cognitive empathy, where one understands intellectually what the other person is feeling. I do think cognitive empathy is necessary for a therapist to have, and this can be learned!
Um no. Therapist here who is highly empathetic, the way to avoid burnout is setting boundaries and keeping them and understanding that this is probably the only functional relationship your clients have seen, and this is why boundaries need to be maintained. 2. How can you have genuine acceptance and unconditional positive regard without empathy? Boggles my mind when I hear therapists say these things.
I read her book, and she seems more likely on the psychopath spectrum, as she had a pretty normal childhood. She's a born psychopath, not a " created" sociopath. Either way, she's dangerous to anyone who might truly care about her, as she will lie, cheat, steal, gaslight to achieve her goals
@@sarahfarnsworth1019 Psychopathy is inborn in a person who has it, meaning from birth. Sociopathy is developed after birth. That's what is meant by "created," as in, wouldn't have been a sociopath otherwise.
Taking a responsibility and understanding what is right from wrong is what makes some people not doing bad things. I don't use empathy when I decide what to do, empathy can trick you not to see a wider picture and that is what I had to learn.
ASPD is not a developmental disorder and therefore, those with anti social personality disorder are not "neurodivergent". As with any personality disorder, It only describes a pattern of thinking and behavior that has been engaged in so habitually as to become ingrained. The goal of treating personality disorders is to help a person learn to feel safety without the user of their maladaptive coping. If a client comes to me and says "I'm a sociopath and that is the identity i want to embrace" then there is nothing i can do for you.
As someone who has looked into sociopathy quite a bit and has had the misfortune of dealing with a lot of folks like this, I really feel like this author just wants to have her cake and eat it so to speak. She wants to tell everybody that she can't feel remorse or empathy but then also wants to backtrack it a bit and say oh yeah but we feel love if we learn a certain way. I don't have any ill will toward this person and I'm not saying we should, but it is very much in a sociopaths instinct to lie and manipulate a narrative. And of course if she's promoting her book and is on a public relations campaign that's exactly what she's going to do. Take everything she says with a grain of salt and if your gut tells you not to trust someone who has admitted that they struggle to feel any kind of empathy or connection with fellow human beings, trust your gut. Don't trust anyone who's capable of callousness and cruelty with no remorse. They will tell you anything to trust them. Don't trust anyone with sociopath qualities and certainly don't trust this person who's trying to give sociopaths a public image makeover. This is some high octane spin. Also she keeps misusing the word neurotypical. Maybe some people believe this, but those of us who know the truth of what these people are capable of, stay true to yourself and don't fall for it
So true! It sounded to good to be true. Like I wanted it to be true so that I could believe that the sociopaths I deal with regularly aren’t hopeless. It made me think oh maybe there’s a magical one out there and I need to understand better and get this book 😹
Do you think if someone wanted to manipulate you they'll tell you Oh you know what I can't feel empathy 🤦🏻♀️ you literally described what any author does when selling a book, maybe start playing couch psychologist
Her first answer doesn't make sense. She says that the difference between psychopathy and sociopathy is that psychopaths are different in that psychopaths can't feel love, empathy, shame and guilt, whilst sociopaths can learn to feel these emotions. This is not how the distinction is made by experts. It's a bit complicated, but: psychopathy isn't in the DSM, but is a widely recognized and studied condition diagnosed by on a test developed by Robert Hare called the Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R). The checklist includes behaviours and emotional dispositions such as lack of empathy. Psychopathy is thought to have a genetic component but the severity of the condition is often mediated by the environment, like whether you have a loving and stable family life as a child. Sociopathy isn't in the DSM either, but Antisocial Personality Disorder is. ASPD is similar to psychopathy, but the diagnosing criteria are purely behavioural rather than being about mental or emotional states. Generally, it is true that ASPD is thought to be more acquired (due to abusive parenting, for example) and so in that sense can be more treatable than psychopathy. But this doesn't fit with what Gagne says, which suggests that children can be born sociopathic (as distinct from being born with psychopathic traits). That's not really how things are understood. The video says that Gagne is a "diagnosed sociopath". As what I said above should make clear, you can't be a diagnosed sociopath. You can be diagnosed with psychopathy or ASPD. So, which is it in her case? Since ASPD is based on behaviour, such as a criminal history, and she lacks that - that seems unlikely. Another article says that a psychologist diagnosed her with psychopathy using the Hare Checklist. So, if anything, she's a psychopath. But I should note that the Psychopathy Checklist takes a lot of training to use, and so psychopathy isn't something that can be diagnosed by any run-of-the-mill psychologist. So, maybe she's neither.
Did you read the book? She talks all about sociopathy, psychopathy and ASPD in the book and how there are many important nuances between the three. Her interview answer didn’t cover the extent of how she covered it in the book (short interview).
@erinpletch2223 I am an academic whose research is adjacent to this area. I've actually read a lot of peer-reviewed research (and the DSM). My entire point is that experts don't make the distinctions she does. I'm not sure she's been diagnosed with anything, so I don't know what her personal experience establishes, and she has no track record of scholarship on this topic (such as peer-reviewed publications).
Interesting take. I have read about what you are talking about (probably not to the same extent) because I used to be a social worker at a psychiatric hospital. I did talk to a LMHC regularly who was researching personality disorders. He felt that more needs to be done because most of the time the only way these people are going to be studied is if they are being required to be interviewed/assessed by a professional. So he thinks because these people typically don’t have the tendency to speak to a therapist or get mental health help for daily/typical concerns, we’ve mostly developed a very extremist checklist. In other words he believes that these personality types and disorders can appear as a spectrum, sort of like how we are figuring out in recent years that just about all disorders have a spectrum. Like you did I have some doubts about how she came to her conclusion but I feel like she may still be on to something. What she’s describing and the way she is talking I certainly wouldn’t describe as ASD. I also don’t know that it sounds like depression. I feel that maybe she knows her life and was a therapist so I feel like I mostly trust what she is saying.
She reminds me of Amy Dunne from Gone Girl. HATE that the interviewer said that a memoir taught her a lot about a psychological issue. Girl, you wanna learn, go read some actual studies and some books written by PSYCHOLOGISTS.
I agree, tho most learning is through real-life examples. You can learn things you can't get out of a DSM, and psychologists are limited to their own experiences. Humans are social animals. We use stories to connect with others. What better than the storyteller themselves to humanize us all. I had a psychotic break and after talking to the psychologist about my schozoaffective experience in a hospital group, he said thank you for giving me more empathy toward people with mental illness.
I would not be anywhere near someone like her, self-aware or not. I read The Sociopath Next Door many years ago, and it's eye-opening. They look very normal, but they will destroy lives, and we smile and wave as if they won't.
@justines1919 THIS. I recommend the book "A Generation Of Sociopaths: How the Baby Boomers Betrayed America" by Bruce Cannon Gibney, it talks about exactly this.
Yes! Sociopathy is a rewarded behavior type, well, it was for Gen X. It was socially acceptable to not care what other people think or feel. That is impossible for a highly sensitive empath. I feel others’ stress or happiness even when not around them. I understand on a cellular level the importance of doing no harm if we can help it. If one is hurting, we all will hurt eventually. And yes, this includes those who are difficult to feel positive emotions towards. However, it does not mean we reward or enable destructive behavior.
I've met two sociopaths in my time. Both really enjoyed conversing with me as an open autistic person. Not manipulatively. The 2nd one was extremely lovely and very kind. I was aware he didn't feel things like I did and I enjoyed meeting and interacting with him anyway. As many are very likeable. Her eyes and his have the same look in them. No comment on the meaning of that. He was morally aligned and treated me better by far than my bpd partner had. We split for lifestyle differences. I don't think every sociopath is evil, but I also would never probably not have my wits about me in interactions. The 1st was extremely toxic and manipulative but he told me if he could feel love he thinks he could love me. It's as random as anything else to me.
People who had BPD actually usually end up with psychopaths and vice versa I've heard many psych staff and nurses say it's crazy how they always automatically gravitate towards each other guess it makes sense to in a screwed up way.
Great interview, thank you! Not all people with ASPD are monsters, some are very high functioning, moral, and committed to making the world a better place because they have an ethically positive personal code that they refuse to violate and they realize that the alternative is prison or an early grave.
@@RomyElizabethspot on. Truth is, there are a lot of people running around with ASPD, both diagnosed and undiagnosed, just like every other personality disorder. Most people with personality disorders are high functioning, get therapy/professional help, and function fine in the world. It’s the low functioning 1% that cause 50-70% of the problems.
I just got out of a marriage with a diagnosed psychopath so this response is very biased but also very informed. After living with a psychopath for years, I learned they will only share information if they have something to gain from it. In this case, she can gain money and fame from writing a book. I am very thankful to sociopaths and psychopaths willing to share some insights. But I am always skeptical of those insights because sociopaths are masters at crafting an image. If crafting an image of a sociopath that is moral and kind benefits them the most, they will do that. Everyone loved my ex. He projected the image of this perfect, kind, thoughtful man. But living with him once the mask came off was the coldest, darkest place I’ve ever been. You have to remember sociopathy is not simply a lack of empathy like many of the ones willing to share project.
Many terms that are used here are not uses the same way that professionals do. For one, 'sociopath' is not in the DSM so I'm not sure what she means about being diagnosed with that. It's funny considering she said she's done a lot of reseach. I recommend you listen to professionals discuss these topics. Take care!
In the book she talks many times about how sociopathy is no longer in the DSM (but it was at one point), and the main theme of the book is her bringing attention to the fact that there are many important nuances between sociopathy, psychopathy, and ASPD.
@@erinpletch2223 Researchers in this area don't really carve up sociopathy, psychopathy, and ASPD as three distinct phenomena (see my comment). So the issue is that she's decided that that's what she wants to do, but it doesn't have adequate basis in facts and research.
6:40 Nope! Most people would NOT kill someone if they could get away with it sooo her true sociopathy shines through loud and clear, as much as she wants to normalize her sociopathy, she says it all right here.
I really appreciate this woman sharing insights about being a functioning sociopath. I don’t believe in normal. What’s normal anyways. I believe the more acceptance we find for ourselves the more acceptance we can find for others. This interview brings awareness and empathy for people that don’t feel as deeply as I do. I am on the other end of the spectrum I am very sensitive and sometimes would like to turn my hyper sensitivity off. Thank you for sharing. 🙏😀❤️
Not being a sociopath doesn’t make you neurotypical. Most people wouldn’t kill someone if they thought they could get away with it. Imagine having a therapist who had to be dragged into it kicking and screaming, doesn’t feel guilt shame or empathy, and does things to maintain the relationship, not because they actually care about the person.
Imagine being someone who missed the entire point of the video and wrote a comment thinking like a neurotypical that can't understand neurological disorders and therefore decided that everyone has to think like them because they don't understand that people think differently 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@gbdchannel2252 "Sociopathy", which is medically diagnosed as Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) is a neurological disorder that falls under the 'neurodivergent' umbrella.
Patric Gagne is a highly intelligent woman who worked incredibly hard to understand herself, and to require herself to participate in society in the most positive way possible. I am reading her book which has taught me much about myself (not a sociopath, so-called 'normal'). She is honest and confessed about herself and what she has done -- more so than 99.9% of people. I have great respect for her.
She is clearly highly intelligent. People in the comments are judging her for sounding like a sociopath . NEWSFLASH - she IS a sociopath. People are so judgmental. This well-spoken author should be proud of how far she’s come.
Sure it is a spectrum, however more should be talked about that many of these people have a line of victims of their emotional abuse and manipulation behind them who they have relied on for their daily dopamine. It's short sighted to talk about only causing physical pain, this type of crime for sure is a lesser percent among the whole spectrum but the emotional abuse is probably a major one, it's just that they choose their victims and do not treat everyone the same.
More should be talked about? In general? That’s basically all the talking going on these days. RUclips is full of ”how to spot a narcissist and sociopath and to avoid them” and straight up demonization. Nice to have some actual information and representation
i think the current trend to normalize cluster b personalities is gonna cause more harm than good. yes, they're people too, but abusive behavior is literally in the diagnostic criteria. i can have a little more sympathy for histrionics and borderlines because lack of empathy isn't in the criteria iirc, but i can't say the same for aspd and npd.
@@sleepylilac69 trend to normalize? Most posts and ”news” are along the lines ”how to spot a narcissist and avoid them”. Aspd and npd should be known as they are, personality disorders, not as synonyms for bad people. People are more than their disorders, and they actually can be aware of their disorders
Some of the comments are so sad. I think it’s great that she’s speaking up and sharing her experience. Everyone is different and just because you can’t believe it doesn’t make it false.
I think she's a full blown primary psychopath. Like, sociopathy isn't even a clinical term. But her saying these cold things and gaslighting us with a clear lack of knowledge.... it's primary psychopathy I'm sorry to break it. And it's so upsetting that she can just act like an influencer and not know any of the basic psychology. Glad you didn't waste your time watching this.
I totally agree. Normalise sociopathy is very dangerous. If this is the effect of these video's and books, it is no good. By normalise it, people will not find it dangerous anymore and will get into relationships etc. Do NOT start a relationship with a sociopath. Me saying this, is exactly why they want it to be normalised. I feel its going to: not all sociopaths are dangerous. And thats not true. They all are dangerous and can and will ruin you in a blink of an eye. They don't feel it! Buy yeah if i was a sociopath, i would also say i was not dangerous. Otherwise people wanted to stay away from me. Tadaa.
@@avengemybreath3084 they know what it means, they're saying let's normalize what's normal rather than fight against nature and pathologize anomalies.
Neurotypicals (who are not in a therapeutic relationship with a sociopath) are likely to withdraw empathy as a protective mechanism….why would you remain open and empathic when a sociopath without insight or regulation is actively seeking to destroy?
Very well done interview, Emma! Would love more in this vein - interviewing people who've written memoirs and getting to hear their view on what their story should teach others.
Can not understand how so many of these people can deny her reality and refuse to understand how sociopathy is a disorder of the brain. When she’s being open about something so stigmatized in order to destigmatize it. Her experience of emotions being not neurotypical does not make her inherently dark sided and people with ADHD autism and OCD are also neurodivergent. So many comments are bragging about choosing not to empathize whereas the sociopathic person isn’t choosing- but can actively choose to not be apathetic!
It’s because we mainly see people with sociopathy committing extremely cold actions. Many people with this disorder slip through the cracks and never know that’s what they have, and others don’t either because they’re fantastic as masking. So it’s great that she created this. We fear sociopathy. Youre right, we do need to destigmatize it. But we need to also understand why people have this fear and come at it from a perspective that they can understand instead of villainizing. It’s a hard thing to try to rationalize trusting someone who doesn’t have the sort of emotions attached to a moral compass that others do, but yes, that is something we should try to learn about.
Just because it's a disorder of the brain, doesn't mean it shouldn't be interpersonally stigmatized. Pedophilia is a disorder of the brain as well, and just because they don't act on it- Do you think they should be let around children? Sociopaths could be fine employees, but you should NOT let them into your personal life.
It's a personality disorder, it's not under the same umbrella as ADHD, autism, etc. I also don't think people are denying her reality... It's just that many of her statements are simply made up to suit her needs and are not based in research, of which there is a plethora (despite her initial statement).
She is warm and charming for a reason: its calculated. Everything with sociopaths is. Believe me, if she was to drop the mask and tell you what she really thinks your jaw would be on the floor. She openly admits that she had her husband proofread her book and he would come to her in shock at something he read saying "you cant put this in there!". And she didnt.
actually, it's the other way around. She wanted to put certain stuff in the book, but her husband told her not to do it. He was the one who insisted on proofreading and who wanted certain stuff removed. 1) Why would you lie about what she said? 2) If she lied saying what I mentioned above, why would she do it? She's definitly capable of discerning herself what she can put in the book and what she can't, so why ask her husband? It kinda seems like you're trying to demonize her
@user-vz4gg6cs4l Him reading it was for proof reading purposes. If she didn't care she would've left those parts in, but she didn't. She removed them. So again: proofreading.
She does know that, you'll have to read the book to hear more about the extensive research Patric has done into her own diagnosis and the way the different terms have been defined over time.
Oh wow, so honesty and forthrightness are traits on Hare’s checklist? Crazy! 😂 I just interviewed a tobacco company exec the other day and he said he doesn’t know WHAT everyone is getting upset about, it’s totally safe. Surely, he wouldn’t lie to make money and surely a Sociopath would never lie (lol) for attention! 😅 Wild. Just wild.
I find this really curious. Emma says she struggles to understand what it's like to be a sociopath and Patric struggles to illustrate (to a neurotypical woman) what it feels like. However she could simply say-as a woman-consider how you feel towards your male partner. You "love" him, but you don't feel guilt about hurting him or empathy if he suffers. And contrast that to the love you feel for your children. Where you feel guilt if you harm them in any way and empathy if they suffer. It seems to me that illustrates the point perfectly. It's a missed opportunity. She could have got a real (if limited) insight into what it feels like to be a sociopath. And probably identify with it in the process. Neurotypical men feel guilt and empathy towards partners in the same way they feel it towards their children. Sociopathic men don't.
@@EdenthelRei Agreed. That annoyed me too, as an autistic person who was in a relationship with a diagnosed sociopath/psychopath. I would say for them - purely mental. Her confusing the two was a red flag.
Sociopaths and Psychopaths attempt to avoid accountability by claiming it's a neurotype -- fortunately, that's NOT what Science says. You can literally see the Sociopathy and Psychopathy condition on brain scans. It's a literal functional impairment in their brains, and the condition is a result of that. Autism, ADHD, Dylexia, etc., cannot be revealed on a brain scan -- it's a difference in internal wiring, not a fundamental change in brain structure (like psychopathy is).
I wonder what was edited out. I would have been interested in hearing answers not about "assumptions" but about published characteristics such as: telling lies to take advantage of others; using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or pleasure; having a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated.
I would say that my empathy tends to be based on mirror neurons, but also some understanding if I've experienced something similar. So, if my mirror neurons are picking up on someone that doesn't seem to be behaving in an empathetic way, I don't have empathy for them. Maybe sympathy. But not empathy. I tend to match energy.
You’re not one at all. You’re in autistic spectrum. I can read my own breed, I am diagnosed one with ASPD, schizoid. Even the women on interview she isn’t one, she is more of an attention seeking person. Sociopaths aren’t attention seeking individuals at all. You just gave yourself away. You have alexithymia, I can read you like a book. Stop labeling yourself, you aren’t one. I can read my own nature who truly has ASPD.
(first five minutes) physiological means biological and learned behaviours means self-deception (which is normally considered an occult thing to understand it's part of why drugs are illegal and they teach it in the military and police desert storm par example) search (youtube) mrrhexx psuedo dragons and faerie dragons (it's humanist psychology) it means psychopaths hang with the guys sociopaths chill with the women loving/possible/honest existentialism is accessible to a few, poorly represented by the uninspired and as a subjective thing it's value is only what you make of it negotiable thing (i'm drunk) means it's "mercantile" (!)
No way, the 0:15 gesture does my lovely teacher too and she is the most empathetic person i know. The thing is: In psychology everyome has a bad side. People are devided in shizoid, paranoid, psychopathic, fearful, dissociative, histironic, co dependent, natcisstic, passive-aggressive, anankastic, emotional instable....means...everyone has a bad side and to know how to invest in the good side is important And she is highly gifted clearly and a lot of women are misdiagnosed. Social emotional skill can only be builded with like minded people. Normally highly gifted people who are misdiagnosed as borderliners, psychopathic or sociopathic primarily grow feeling lower empathy and rationalizing as they cant connect with 98% of people. Also autism in women and asperger is often mistyped as having no emotional EQ, which is not true. The rational EQ feels just showing no emotions, but the autist feels deeply inside Ashlesha moon in vedic and reduced emotional spectrum showing is just thinking comes first and because it feels not easily swayed by emotions like women under IQ 110 do without having a good hypothalamus to regulate and overshadowing with rational cognitive ability. This awareness is not what a real sociopath would be as a sociopath cant see themselfs. This woman only cant vibe with 98% of people as her high cognition and rhetoric plus intellectual ability helped her finding a path in life not finding no success by being swayed away from feelings. Oftentimes gifted women feel the first time interest, love and feelings with another gifted people and often struggle to make friends as they feel nothing with "normal IQ" people. Its not possible, frequencies and brains need to connect with the same wavelength and how if you meet seldom people with that? So you prefer to focus on your life, tasks and the social emotional area and skill feels underdeveloped. Psychologists and teachers, doctors are often highly gifted and normal people call them often "too rational or like a burden", not mirroring the easy swayed away emotional reactions men see in porn, school or what people expect from a woman to show. If a highly gifted woman feels alone or dont find a mirror like most people easily will find, yes a hightened trait in knowing, but no emotional showing training builds up. She IS empathetic and has a lovely energy and caring aura.
She is a fake person. As sociopath isnt even a word in dsm5. Shes saying that sociopathy is differential from Aspd when in reality its literally the same thing😂
Someone said to me about a year ago that they don’t have any sort of feelings when others suffer. They don’t feel anything. They don’t care if others are hurt, they can’t feel what they’re going through. It genuinely scared me and I reacted internally in a hateful way. It made me mad, it made me feel like something was *wrong* with them, and it was because at that point I felt I couldn’t trust them. We weren’t close, so it was easy for me to decide that. I decided to tell others that also knew them, and I hate that I acted that way. In my mind, I was protecting, but I was also lashing out because there had been various instances where I felt misunderstood by them, and it was likely because of what is possibly sociopathy. I was being childish and selfish and hateful. Having awareness about this is so important. It’s just as important as people having awareness about adhd, which is something I struggle with and it controls so much of my life. It’s not my fault I have adhd. It’s not someone’s fault that they are sociopath, and I knew that before, but I still villainized it because of what I’ve experienced or seen before. I’m glad I’m becoming more aware. I don’t want to make someone feel othered because of their disorder. I want to make them feel understood and accepted.
@PlebianGorilla We should never understand or accept sociopaths or psychopaths. They are inherent dangerous without exception and pretending they're not is incredibly naive. By all means be open minded, but not so much that your brain falls out.
@@CrashBoomBang78 I think you’re going into this without a brain. Not understanding them? Why wouldn’t I want to understand them? Wouldn’t that be the best way to protect myself? To know exactly how they operate? I’m not jumping to bring one in my life, but I am willing, because I think it’s intelligent, to look at it from an objective point of view; they’re animals (as we all are) that don’t have properly functioning brains, that isn’t something they chose, and it doesn’t mean I should attack them. Having hatred is a waste of my time and energy. If anything, attacking them would put me in a worse position. It would make me more vulnerable. Caution is necessary, but your response is really annoying and small-brained… and ableist.
@@CrashBoomBang78 why would I choose to not understand something-wouldn’t that make me more vulnerable because I’m not seeing the full picture? I’m not saying I’m going to go get married to a sociopath or even invite a friendship with one, but I think it’s of a low-intelligence mindset to say I should do what I did previously and attack them. That puts me in an even more vulnerable situation, and is acting based on emotion rather than being objective. Ableism just isn’t necessary, tactful, or reasonable. I can choose to understand someone and treat them well without choosing to trust that they will have my best interest in mind. If a person functions in this world in an abnormal way, at least in this case, it’s not their fault. Why would I harbor hatred for them? That’s silly and small-brained. I can treat them with kindness. Also, if someone is a sociopath but they make the conscious decision to do the “right” thing from a place that isn’t based on how it makes them feel emotionally but rather what they believe to be the most positive thing for their fellow humans… that takes strength and is even more commendable than someone who did something good because the alternative made them feel bad. It’s selfless.
@PlebianGorilla They don't make decisions based on "what is best for their fellow humans", that's exactly the point. They make decision based on what is best for THEM. No matter what it takes or how much it hurts others. That's what defines these disorders and also what makes them inherently harmful to other people. A sociopath or psychopath ALWAYS acts out of self-interest, that is the driving force for literally everything they do. Every single, little thing. They can alter or modify the way they treat others IF IT SERVES THEM, but even for such a small change to happen they need to be extremely self-aware AND deeply in therapy with a therapist who possesses a degree of expertise in how to handle these disorders specifically. And ninety-nine percent of people with ASPD aren't going to tick those boxes, thus they are going to be deeply and firmly rooted in their own pathology and disordered responses, other people be damned. These are called personality disorders for a reason; meaning that the way someone thinks and functions is so deeply embedded into them that it's who they are. There is no separating the core of who they are from their diagnosis, it is LITERALLY in their personality. To recognize this is not ableism, it's merely a factual observation. ASPD is unique in the way it functions because it is the only personality disorder where the affected part lacks empathy, guilt, and remorse. So while all personality disorders can be toxic when left untreated and unchecked, this one factor makes all the difference regarding how a person suffering from it is going to move through life and subsequently harm others along the way. And when the disordered party has no interest in changing, the only thing that's left to do is educating people about how they operate so that people who happen to cross paths with them, know how to identify them and keep themselves safe. It is simply damage control.
Good for her for writing this book to get her face out there and make lots of money. However, sociopaths score significantly higher on the narcissistic personality index than the average person, so they have very limited self awareness and will just lie or twist the truth to fit their needs. I am taking everything this woman says with a giant boulder of salt.
Ignore the book. She's trying to redefine things by going against the established protocols and in her favor. Yes, Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic say what you wrote. Disgusting that people use social media to create confusion. A very sociopathic thing to do. As an autistic person, I don't like her claiming neurodivergence, either.
I've experienced bad relationships with people I believe had sociopathy so I was prepared to be uncomfortable watching this and I recognize the irony and moral failing on my part, judging someone based on something they can't help having. By the end of this video I so appreciate that this woman has taken it upon herself to learn about herself, learn how to manage her mental conditions in the same way I have had to with my myriad mental conditions, so that they have the least negative impact on the world and people in our lives, in fact she has clearly made it a positive contribution to the world by pursuing a PhD in a field that is dedicated to helping others, and sharing her own experiences knowing that people will be judgemental and unkind toward her in the interest of teaching people. In western culture I feel like young men are taught to cultivate features of sociopathy to be successful men, and to prove their manhood through self-indulgent behaviors and a lack of empathy that are detrimental to others, especially women. So, I am both refreshed and sobered that the person doing the work to teach us, at their own personal risk, is a woman, and an educated woman who is making personal sacrifices to do that service. I hope that an increasing awareness of sociopathy will help us all heal our culture.
I just think there are so many types of people even if they are sociopaths. But to be diagnosed with ASPD they have to have committed really off the line acts like crimes repeatedly since childhood. I wonder what she means by being a sociopath but not diagnosed ASPD.
the way she differentiates betwen psychopath, sociopath and antisocial personality disorder, saying the three of them are different diagnoses, just doesn’t exist in psychiartry. ok, the way people understand these words, in the social world, can be different, but in a diagnostic matter there is only the personality disorder. this is a woman who had behavioral issues through childhood, with a predisposition to later in life develop a personality disorder, but through learning and receiving the right care, doesn’t have it today, wich is great. If this word (sociopathy) has no importance is the medical and psychological field, and society conceives these people very similarly to the antisocial personality disorder, wich she doesn’t have, then she is not a sociopath. maybe she was misled by someone who “diagnosed” her, or maybe she is just saying that to get her to sell books, don’t know wich is the case
I would never go to this woman as a therapist. I don’t want your conceptual idea of how it is to suffer, but to actually understand because you experienced feelings.
I just finished Patric’s book after watching her do a number of interviews. It was very thoughtful, insightful and well written. It gave me a little more insight into my own spectrum but, I will forever remain as the gray man due to the stigma. As for a cure well, I believe that is a little over optimistic.
Many people are commenting with questions that are answered in the book. She knows that sociopathy is not in the current version of the DSM and that is a big reason for her diving into research on sociopathy and psychology in general. I loved the book, highly recommend
The problem isn't that sociopathy isn't in the DSM. Psychopathy isn't in the DSM but it's a recognized and well-studied condition. The problem is that she's just seems to be deciding what she wants "sociopathy" to mean.
@@aporia25 oh ok I get what you are saying, do you know why sociopathy isn’t a widely used term and/or a term that id studied? From what I remember in the book, the author was interested in sociopathy because she was exhibiting signs of psychopathy but on a smaller scale I believe. Idk, it’s definitely a very interesting topic!
I have a question for this lady. If sociopathy is the inability to feel emotions, are anti-anxiety medications turning people into sociopaths? Because these medications cause apathy, even for a specific period of treatment, and this is scientifically proven.
Mildly, yes, IMO. In my experience benzos coupled with SSRIs made me "care" a lot less about everyone and everything. I'm highly sensitive otherwise. Very interesting observation and question. I don't think it made me lack empathy to the extent of a sociopath though. But it definitely numbs.
As someone who had to be on both an SSRI for (debilitating anxiety,) and an antipsychotic (due to the severity of my symptoms after an infection) for about a year and a half, I had those fears. But in MY case, I felt everything; it just makes the repetitiveness of an anxious thought easier to withstand and destabilize. I still cried, empathized, laughed...everything. I didn't lose my emotional moral compass. It was more like it helped things that cut me deeply, not cut so deep, and my thoughts flowed better. It never made me want to hurt or harm or destroy anyone else. In fact, my experience needing those meds was so bad that it enhanced my empathy for those in similar situations. I really get it now, rather than it be an abstract concept.
I was loosely diagnosed with ASPD. I love animals though. I actually think the general public is just as cruel as someone who tortures animals in person. So not sure if the shoe fits. I dont feel guilty about certain things...I feel shame, rage fear and depression constantly.
I think there’s a long list of criteria and most people diagnosed with ASPD don’t tick every box on that list. Just like people who struggle with depression don’t have all the symptoms. *I love animals too-and I get angry with those that treat them badly but I experience little to no empathy for people in general.
@erikamichels103 oh shoot - from what you just said I can relate. And from what the interviewee said about intellectually wanting to help strangers to be pro social I relate to too. Oh well. Healthy childhoods are for losers
@@ADHDMartialArtsFiend-vw3fj Ha! Exactly. The thought of having to go to the DMV freaks me out far more than an armed robbery. But yes, although I don’t have any deep feelings towards anyone, I do feel called to make the planet a better place-my career involves environmental energy efficiency. *Do you find it odd that others label those with ASPD as being “fake” or “shallow”. I do, as I primarily see the rest of the world as incredibly phony.
With the little amount of study I have done on ASPD and the terms sociopathy and Psychopathy... this lady has no clue what she is talking about, and I don't believe a word she is saying.
Unless you have lived under a rock everybody can understand that being uncaring and unlikeable doesn't make you a sociopath. And even if she was, the fact that she's allowed to 'do therapy' should probably scare the crap out of us about the society we live in.
I was married to a diagnosed psychopath. There is no way to tell. I have a high EQ. I lived with a psychopath for years. And I still wouldn’t be able to tell if I met one. They are master manipulators. They can do or say anything to seem wonderful for as long as they have to. You only see the signs when they don’t care if you see the signs. It took me 3 years to see ANY signs in my ex husband. Once I saw him with his mask off, I never saw the charming guy he pretended to be ever again when it was just us two. Only in front of other people.
I’ve heard that sociopaths tend to hold eye contact for longer than normal, because they don’t feel any anxiety about maintaining eye contact. This can make them seem more charismatic and confident, so watch out. From my own experience, the sociopaths I’ve encountered tend to sneer and smirk more than normal people. But of course they put on a mask of civility and charm so as to fit in.
I understand that psychopath are born, sociopaths are parented. So they have the same brains as typical children, maybe more sensitive, and due to parents bad job sociopath never grow past 2 year old narcissist. Some coping mechanism, that has some genetic component, but mostly bad parenting. No need to compare deliberate crime to OCD washing hands too often. Two different things.
is the interviewer mixing up sociopathy and psychopathy like… a lot? i get it most people do & i’m glad she asked about it in order to learn this but 😬 some people are just going to ignore this author’s responses to why ASPD and sociopathy are different…
The thing is that everything in research and diagnostics isn't as clear cut as this author describes it. In fact, the explanation that sociopathy is social (and thus can be trained) and psychopathy is genetic (and can't) isn't the majority opinion and sociopathy does not have its own diagnostics. Psychopathy and ASPD have. I think heavy selection bias on the research is shown here to fit the authors own narrative (which is understandable if it fits her lived experience, but we shouldn't forget that she isn't the expert on the diagnostic side - far from it)
Interesting interview. I have a segment in my up coming novel that explores concepts like these. Would be nice to incorporate some of this into the story :D
So a clinician or mental health professional would write down in their notes “ secondary psychopathy”, since there doesn’t seem to be a “sociopath” in the DSM and you’re saying the diagnostic criteria for aspd is not what is used ??
Wouldn't the urge to hurt animals be more due to the sociopath's lack of remorse? Often violence is quite normalized to a sociopathic child. Interesting interview nonetheless.
Wanting to feel something is the root desire. Remorse would for a normal person would be the metaphorical safety rail that stops a normal person to hurt the animal.
@@guitarlessonsnow3431 well the short answer is again the desire to feel something gets the ball rolling to do something bad empathy is indeed different than remorse that it doesn’t happen after the act but it’s the same situation that the emotion is a guard rail to stop bad act.
@@AliceVFame Well in Patrick’s book she describes it along the lines of being only able to go on so long while not being stimulated. Like eventually you’re gonna break from the prolonged feeling of apathy. So she chose to do “minor” bad things” like technically stealing peoples car n going to stranger’s funerals are examples on top of my head. Anyway to finally answer your question LITERALLY ANYTHING. I totally recommend you read or listen the book. Though in my personal opinion it kinda falls off a lil towards the end.
its crazy how some of these comments miss the mark completely. judging a strangers empathy while clearly lacking ur own. empathy is something that CAN be learned and nurtured if one is willing enough. this is why its imperative that we extend our empathy to everyone, even if they dont reciprocate. a lot ppl mix up being empathetic w being 'soft' and easily manipulated which just isnt the case. to me its about learning how to feel for others and being able to put urself in their shoes. that doesnt mean that you necessarily agree with or feel bad for that person. i see it more as a means to better urself mentally and emotionally in order to be able to function in society (speaking as a neurodivergent person who still struggles w empathy at times)
@wujuandrea That is only partially true. A sociopath can POTENTIALLY learn cognitive empathy and perhaps choose to apply it if it benefits them in some way, but they will never experience emotional empathy because their brains are literally unable, that's HOW the disorder works.
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The consequences of getting caught is not what stops me from doing harmful things to others. I don’t believe in karma so that’s not it either.
Avoiding causing suffering to others is the reason I don’t do harmful things, regardless of the law, and it’s because I have empathy.
I'd add that it's even wanting to help, support and be kind to others. Actively wanting to make them feel better / good.
I was gonna write the same thing.
It shows how laws are doing what they are supposed to do, which is at least to some degree deter those people from causing harm and suffering, who would otherwise have no problem with that.
No most people would not kill someone if they could get away with it.
Ur ex 😒
Right??
yes
Yeah, right. This is where I stopped listening.
I shudder at the thought, for whatever reason it would later be in my head forever, the guilt, I'd feel repulsed and alienated by myself, like an ultimate betrayal of my inner core. I'm an atheist and I feel sick even imagining a scenario. My psychology-science guess is that maybe people who COULD do that and forget about it by compartmentalising it for the rest of their lives - simply assume all people would do the same for gain if they could get away with it?
Speaking as someone that many consider to be "too emotional," I think its interesting how narrow the acceptable range of emotion is.
As a therapist with midrange emotional empathy, I can absolutely see how someone with low emotional empathy could be a great therapist and more inoculated against burnout! I find my highly empathetic colleagues struggle with overwhelm at times
Edited to clarify: I’m referring to EMOTIONAL empathy, where one FEELS what the other person is feeling. Not cognitive empathy, where one understands intellectually what the other person is feeling. I do think cognitive empathy is necessary for a therapist to have, and this can be learned!
I made my dear therapist cry. We cried together. It was validation for me. I just needed someone to hear my story.
@@wendybutler1681Of course. Sociopaths, I guess can be excellent therapist, to another sociopaths
Um no. Therapist here who is highly empathetic, the way to avoid burnout is setting boundaries and keeping them and understanding that this is probably the only functional relationship your clients have seen, and this is why boundaries need to be maintained. 2. How can you have genuine acceptance and unconditional positive regard without empathy? Boggles my mind when I hear therapists say these things.
@@irenajeremic50the establishing rapport process would be a nightmare with both fighting for dominance.
@@Vincenza8907 I think so, I was just joking 😃
I read her book, and she seems more likely on the psychopath spectrum, as she had a pretty normal childhood. She's a born psychopath, not a " created" sociopath. Either way, she's dangerous to anyone who might truly care about her, as she will lie, cheat, steal, gaslight to achieve her goals
I've heard her claims about her degrees and past as a therapist, and even her name, have been called into question.
Agreed. There's something about her. I don't trust her.
This comment confuses me, maybe because I haven't read her book, but isn't that the story of mankind from the beginning?
@@sarahfarnsworth1019 Psychopathy is inborn in a person who has it, meaning from birth. Sociopathy is developed after birth. That's what is meant by "created," as in, wouldn't have been a sociopath otherwise.
@beezilneverleft3176 I guess I don't really understand how psychopathy or sociopathy is diagnosed, and what the purpose would be.
Empathy is what is keeping us from killing people even if we can....and that is exactly what you lack and cant conceive of in others experience.
Seriously.
Law too dude
Could the decreasing empathy for sociopaths by neurotypicals possibly be mirroring? People instinctively do that.
Empathy is what makes us feel with others. A conscience is what keeps people from harming others.
Taking a responsibility and understanding what is right from wrong is what makes some people not doing bad things.
I don't use empathy when I decide what to do, empathy can trick you not to see a wider picture and that is what I had to learn.
ASPD is not a developmental disorder and therefore, those with anti social personality disorder are not "neurodivergent". As with any personality disorder, It only describes a pattern of thinking and behavior that has been engaged in so habitually as to become ingrained. The goal of treating personality disorders is to help a person learn to feel safety without the user of their maladaptive coping. If a client comes to me and says "I'm a sociopath and that is the identity i want to embrace" then there is nothing i can do for you.
As someone who has looked into sociopathy quite a bit and has had the misfortune of dealing with a lot of folks like this, I really feel like this author just wants to have her cake and eat it so to speak. She wants to tell everybody that she can't feel remorse or empathy but then also wants to backtrack it a bit and say oh yeah but we feel love if we learn a certain way. I don't have any ill will toward this person and I'm not saying we should, but it is very much in a sociopaths instinct to lie and manipulate a narrative. And of course if she's promoting her book and is on a public relations campaign that's exactly what she's going to do. Take everything she says with a grain of salt and if your gut tells you not to trust someone who has admitted that they struggle to feel any kind of empathy or connection with fellow human beings, trust your gut. Don't trust anyone who's capable of callousness and cruelty with no remorse. They will tell you anything to trust them. Don't trust anyone with sociopath qualities and certainly don't trust this person who's trying to give sociopaths a public image makeover.
This is some high octane spin. Also she keeps misusing the word neurotypical. Maybe some people believe this, but those of us who know the truth of what these people are capable of, stay true to yourself and don't fall for it
So true! It sounded to good to be true. Like I wanted it to be true so that I could believe that the sociopaths I deal with regularly aren’t hopeless. It made me think oh maybe there’s a magical one out there and I need to understand better and get this book 😹
@@JillianSiobhanMal more understanding is always a good thing!
Do you think if someone wanted to manipulate you they'll tell you Oh you know what I can't feel empathy 🤦🏻♀️ you literally described what any author does when selling a book, maybe start playing couch psychologist
Yes!!! As a psychology student I had the same thought
@@vero9348yes but she is inventing, is not sincere her take on the topic
Her first answer doesn't make sense. She says that the difference between psychopathy and sociopathy is that psychopaths are different in that psychopaths can't feel love, empathy, shame and guilt, whilst sociopaths can learn to feel these emotions. This is not how the distinction is made by experts.
It's a bit complicated, but: psychopathy isn't in the DSM, but is a widely recognized and studied condition diagnosed by on a test developed by Robert Hare called the Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R). The checklist includes behaviours and emotional dispositions such as lack of empathy. Psychopathy is thought to have a genetic component but the severity of the condition is often mediated by the environment, like whether you have a loving and stable family life as a child.
Sociopathy isn't in the DSM either, but Antisocial Personality Disorder is. ASPD is similar to psychopathy, but the diagnosing criteria are purely behavioural rather than being about mental or emotional states. Generally, it is true that ASPD is thought to be more acquired (due to abusive parenting, for example) and so in that sense can be more treatable than psychopathy. But this doesn't fit with what Gagne says, which suggests that children can be born sociopathic (as distinct from being born with psychopathic traits). That's not really how things are understood.
The video says that Gagne is a "diagnosed sociopath". As what I said above should make clear, you can't be a diagnosed sociopath. You can be diagnosed with psychopathy or ASPD. So, which is it in her case? Since ASPD is based on behaviour, such as a criminal history, and she lacks that - that seems unlikely. Another article says that a psychologist diagnosed her with psychopathy using the Hare Checklist. So, if anything, she's a psychopath. But I should note that the Psychopathy Checklist takes a lot of training to use, and so psychopathy isn't something that can be diagnosed by any run-of-the-mill psychologist. So, maybe she's neither.
aspd type 1 ("psychopath") and type 2 ("sociopath"...
@@HumanimalChannel There's no differentiation of ASPD into types in the DSM...
Did you read the book? She talks all about sociopathy, psychopathy and ASPD in the book and how there are many important nuances between the three. Her interview answer didn’t cover the extent of how she covered it in the book (short interview).
@erinpletch2223 I am an academic whose research is adjacent to this area. I've actually read a lot of peer-reviewed research (and the DSM).
My entire point is that experts don't make the distinctions she does. I'm not sure she's been diagnosed with anything, so I don't know what her personal experience establishes, and she has no track record of scholarship on this topic (such as peer-reviewed publications).
Interesting take. I have read about what you are talking about (probably not to the same extent) because I used to be a social worker at a psychiatric hospital. I did talk to a LMHC regularly who was researching personality disorders. He felt that more needs to be done because most of the time the only way these people are going to be studied is if they are being required to be interviewed/assessed by a professional. So he thinks because these people typically don’t have the tendency to speak to a therapist or get mental health help for daily/typical concerns, we’ve mostly developed a very extremist checklist. In other words he believes that these personality types and disorders can appear as a spectrum, sort of like how we are figuring out in recent years that just about all disorders have a spectrum. Like you did I have some doubts about how she came to her conclusion but I feel like she may still be on to something. What she’s describing and the way she is talking I certainly wouldn’t describe as ASD. I also don’t know that it sounds like depression. I feel that maybe she knows her life and was a therapist so I feel like I mostly trust what she is saying.
She reminds me of Amy Dunne from Gone Girl.
HATE that the interviewer said that a memoir taught her a lot about a psychological issue. Girl, you wanna learn, go read some actual studies and some books written by PSYCHOLOGISTS.
I agree, tho most learning is through real-life examples. You can learn things you can't get out of a DSM, and psychologists are limited to their own experiences. Humans are social animals. We use stories to connect with others. What better than the storyteller themselves to humanize us all. I had a psychotic break and after talking to the psychologist about my schozoaffective experience in a hospital group, he said thank you for giving me more empathy toward people with mental illness.
I would not be anywhere near someone like her, self-aware or not. I read The Sociopath Next Door many years ago, and it's eye-opening. They look very normal, but they will destroy lives, and we smile and wave as if they won't.
Sociopaths fit into capitalism perfectly. It was designed by them, for them.
@justines1919 THIS. I recommend the book "A Generation Of Sociopaths: How the Baby Boomers Betrayed America" by Bruce Cannon Gibney, it talks about exactly this.
@@CrashBoomBang78 yeah like 40 percent of boomers have narcissistic tendencies
Yes! Sociopathy is a rewarded behavior type, well, it was for Gen X. It was socially acceptable to not care what other people think or feel. That is impossible for a highly sensitive empath. I feel others’ stress or happiness even when not around them. I understand on a cellular level the importance of doing no harm if we can help it. If one is hurting, we all will hurt eventually. And yes, this includes those who are difficult to feel positive emotions towards. However, it does not mean we reward or enable destructive behavior.
Communism is by definition a system created and led by sociopaths. Zero compassion and empathy; only the ends matter.
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I've met two sociopaths in my time. Both really enjoyed conversing with me as an open autistic person. Not manipulatively. The 2nd one was extremely lovely and very kind. I was aware he didn't feel things like I did and I enjoyed meeting and interacting with him anyway. As many are very likeable. Her eyes and his have the same look in them. No comment on the meaning of that. He was morally aligned and treated me better by far than my bpd partner had. We split for lifestyle differences. I don't think every sociopath is evil, but I also would never probably not have my wits about me in interactions. The 1st was extremely toxic and manipulative but he told me if he could feel love he thinks he could love me. It's as random as anything else to me.
People who had BPD actually usually end up with psychopaths and vice versa I've heard many psych staff and nurses say it's crazy how they always automatically gravitate towards each other guess it makes sense to in a screwed up way.
Great interview, thank you! Not all people with ASPD are monsters, some are very high functioning, moral, and committed to making the world a better place because they have an ethically positive personal code that they refuse to violate and they realize that the alternative is prison or an early grave.
@@RomyElizabethspot on. Truth is, there are a lot of people running around with ASPD, both diagnosed and undiagnosed, just like every other personality disorder. Most people with personality disorders are high functioning, get therapy/professional help, and function fine in the world. It’s the low functioning 1% that cause 50-70% of the problems.
@@dustinsegers4534 👋🏼 hi. Do you have ASPD? It sounds like these informations are personal for you
@@RomyElizabeth
Where do you think morals come from?
High functioning yes…. Moral? No.
Morality comes from a strong sense of empathy
I just got out of a marriage with a diagnosed psychopath so this response is very biased but also very informed. After living with a psychopath for years, I learned they will only share information if they have something to gain from it. In this case, she can gain money and fame from writing a book. I am very thankful to sociopaths and psychopaths willing to share some insights. But I am always skeptical of those insights because sociopaths are masters at crafting an image. If crafting an image of a sociopath that is moral and kind benefits them the most, they will do that.
Everyone loved my ex. He projected the image of this perfect, kind, thoughtful man. But living with him once the mask came off was the coldest, darkest place I’ve ever been. You have to remember sociopathy is not simply a lack of empathy like many of the ones willing to share project.
Many terms that are used here are not uses the same way that professionals do. For one, 'sociopath' is not in the DSM so I'm not sure what she means about being diagnosed with that. It's funny considering she said she's done a lot of reseach. I recommend you listen to professionals discuss these topics. Take care!
If you read the book, you would understand what she means when using the term sociopath.
In the book she talks many times about how sociopathy is no longer in the DSM (but it was at one point), and the main theme of the book is her bringing attention to the fact that there are many important nuances between sociopathy, psychopathy, and ASPD.
@@erinpletch2223 Researchers in this area don't really carve up sociopathy, psychopathy, and ASPD as three distinct phenomena (see my comment). So the issue is that she's decided that that's what she wants to do, but it doesn't have adequate basis in facts and research.
My ex was a psychologist AND a DIAGNOSED sociopath. Even if it's not in the DSM (though he was diagnosed back in the 70s), one can still be diagnosed.
@@gbdchannel2252 interesting. I wonder where do the criteria come from in those cases. Is there another manual that professionals use?
6:40 Nope! Most people would NOT kill someone if they could get away with it sooo her true sociopathy shines through loud and clear, as much as she wants to normalize her sociopathy, she says it all right here.
I really appreciate this woman sharing insights about being a functioning sociopath. I don’t believe in normal. What’s normal anyways. I believe the more acceptance we find for ourselves the more acceptance we can find for others. This interview brings awareness and empathy for people that don’t feel as deeply as I do. I am on the other end of the spectrum I am very sensitive and sometimes would like to turn my hyper sensitivity off. Thank you for sharing. 🙏😀❤️
Not being a sociopath doesn’t make you neurotypical.
Most people wouldn’t kill someone if they thought they could get away with it.
Imagine having a therapist who had to be dragged into it kicking and screaming,
doesn’t feel guilt shame or empathy, and does things to maintain the relationship,
not because they actually care about the person.
Imagine being someone who missed the entire point of the video and wrote a comment thinking like a neurotypical that can't understand neurological disorders and therefore decided that everyone has to think like them because they don't understand that people think differently 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@DontCareL0L the entire point of the video? To promote a book .
@@DontCareL0L I have never heard of sociopathy being a neurodivergent issue before.
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Yessss!
@@gbdchannel2252 "Sociopathy", which is medically diagnosed as Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) is a neurological disorder that falls under the 'neurodivergent' umbrella.
Patric Gagne is a highly intelligent woman who worked incredibly hard to understand herself, and to require herself to participate in society in the most positive way possible. I am reading her book which has taught me much about myself (not a sociopath, so-called 'normal'). She is honest and confessed about herself and what she has done -- more so than 99.9% of people. I have great respect for her.
She is clearly highly intelligent. People in the comments are judging her for sounding like a sociopath . NEWSFLASH - she IS a sociopath.
People are so judgmental. This well-spoken author should be proud of how far she’s come.
Sure it is a spectrum, however more should be talked about that many of these people have a line of victims of their emotional abuse and manipulation behind them who they have relied on for their daily dopamine. It's short sighted to talk about only causing physical pain, this type of crime for sure is a lesser percent among the whole spectrum but the emotional abuse is probably a major one, it's just that they choose their victims and do not treat everyone the same.
You're spot on! Honestly the mental abuse or even just the waiting for the next episode is so unbelievably draining.
Exactly.
More should be talked about? In general? That’s basically all the talking going on these days. RUclips is full of ”how to spot a narcissist and sociopath and to avoid them” and straight up demonization. Nice to have some actual information and representation
i think the current trend to normalize cluster b personalities is gonna cause more harm than good. yes, they're people too, but abusive behavior is literally in the diagnostic criteria. i can have a little more sympathy for histrionics and borderlines because lack of empathy isn't in the criteria iirc, but i can't say the same for aspd and npd.
@@sleepylilac69 trend to normalize? Most posts and ”news” are along the lines ”how to spot a narcissist and avoid them”. Aspd and npd should be known as they are, personality disorders, not as synonyms for bad people. People are more than their disorders, and they actually can be aware of their disorders
Some of the comments are so sad. I think it’s great that she’s speaking up and sharing her experience. Everyone is different and just because you can’t believe it doesn’t make it false.
NO, sweetheart. Most people would NOT kill someone if they could get away with it!
Vile to laugh about it aswell. Couldn’t watch after that. 🤮
Yes exactly.
Would not kill even if I never got caught.
Just the idea to hurt someone makes me feel nauseaus.
I think she's a full blown primary psychopath. Like, sociopathy isn't even a clinical term. But her saying these cold things and gaslighting us with a clear lack of knowledge.... it's primary psychopathy I'm sorry to break it. And it's so upsetting that she can just act like an influencer and not know any of the basic psychology. Glad you didn't waste your time watching this.
No. Most people would not commit a crime if they could get away with it.
Let’s go ahead and NOT “normalize” sociopaths. OK? Thanks
What do you mean? They normally exist so let’s be educated
@@margaretgarana911 are you asking what the word “normalize” means?
We need to know where they are. I'd rather they come out than hide.
I totally agree. Normalise sociopathy is very dangerous. If this is the effect of these video's and books, it is no good. By normalise it, people will not find it dangerous anymore and will get into relationships etc. Do NOT start a relationship with a sociopath. Me saying this, is exactly why they want it to be normalised. I feel its going to: not all sociopaths are dangerous. And thats not true. They all are dangerous and can and will ruin you in a blink of an eye. They don't feel it! Buy yeah if i was a sociopath, i would also say i was not dangerous. Otherwise people wanted to stay away from me. Tadaa.
@@avengemybreath3084 they know what it means, they're saying let's normalize what's normal rather than fight against nature and pathologize anomalies.
I don’t know how I ended up watching this, but that was really really interesting and insightful!
Neurotypicals (who are not in a therapeutic relationship with a sociopath) are likely to withdraw empathy as a protective mechanism….why would you remain open and empathic when a sociopath without insight or regulation is actively seeking to destroy?
Very well done interview, Emma! Would love more in this vein - interviewing people who've written memoirs and getting to hear their view on what their story should teach others.
They're not actually empathetic.
Can not understand how so many of these people can deny her reality and refuse to understand how sociopathy is a disorder of the brain. When she’s being open about something so stigmatized in order to destigmatize it. Her experience of emotions being not neurotypical does not make her inherently dark sided and people with ADHD autism and OCD are also neurodivergent. So many comments are bragging about choosing not to empathize whereas the sociopathic person isn’t choosing- but can actively choose to not be apathetic!
It’s because we mainly see people with sociopathy committing extremely cold actions. Many people with this disorder slip through the cracks and never know that’s what they have, and others don’t either because they’re fantastic as masking. So it’s great that she created this. We fear sociopathy. Youre right, we do need to destigmatize it. But we need to also understand why people have this fear and come at it from a perspective that they can understand instead of villainizing. It’s a hard thing to try to rationalize trusting someone who doesn’t have the sort of emotions attached to a moral compass that others do, but yes, that is something we should try to learn about.
@@surayzsas7042 You're so naive.
Type 2 ASPD ... she would have to have acted in certain ways before the age of 18
Just because it's a disorder of the brain, doesn't mean it shouldn't be interpersonally stigmatized. Pedophilia is a disorder of the brain as well, and just because they don't act on it- Do you think they should be let around children? Sociopaths could be fine employees, but you should NOT let them into your personal life.
It's a personality disorder, it's not under the same umbrella as ADHD, autism, etc. I also don't think people are denying her reality... It's just that many of her statements are simply made up to suit her needs and are not based in research, of which there is a plethora (despite her initial statement).
“I fall right in the middle” it sounds like you don’t care
I just bought this book and I'm excited to read it to break the bias and educate myself further about sociopathy.
Almost finished with her book. Very interesting. She did almost strangle a cat to death, so it was indeed in her blood to inflict pain.
I absolutely fucking HATE when animals get hurt....can't fucking stand it!!!
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She is warm and charming for a reason: its calculated. Everything with sociopaths is. Believe me, if she was to drop the mask and tell you what she really thinks your jaw would be on the floor. She openly admits that she had her husband proofread her book and he would come to her in shock at something he read saying "you cant put this in there!". And she didnt.
actually, it's the other way around. She wanted to put certain stuff in the book, but her husband told her not to do it. He was the one who insisted on proofreading and who wanted certain stuff removed.
1) Why would you lie about what she said?
2) If she lied saying what I mentioned above, why would she do it? She's definitly capable of discerning herself what she can put in the book and what she can't, so why ask her husband?
It kinda seems like you're trying to demonize her
@user-vz4gg6cs4l Him reading it was for proof reading purposes. If she didn't care she would've left those parts in, but she didn't. She removed them. So again: proofreading.
She's not charming at all.
@@Armistead_MacSkye That's subjective. She is to me. 🤷🏻♀️
@@CrashBoomBang78 Why did you feel the need to say it again? Weird...
Sociopath is not a DSM diagnosis. You can't be diagnosed with it. Does she know that? Does the interviewer know that?
She does know that, you'll have to read the book to hear more about the extensive research Patric has done into her own diagnosis and the way the different terms have been defined over time.
Oh wow, so honesty and forthrightness are traits on Hare’s checklist? Crazy! 😂 I just interviewed a tobacco company exec the other day and he said he doesn’t know WHAT everyone is getting upset about, it’s totally safe. Surely, he wouldn’t lie to make money and surely a Sociopath would never lie (lol) for attention! 😅 Wild. Just wild.
This was very interesting, and it was surprising to hear that up to 5 % people have these tendencies. It explains a lot.
I find this really curious. Emma says she struggles to understand what it's like to be a sociopath and Patric struggles to illustrate (to a neurotypical woman) what it feels like. However she could simply say-as a woman-consider how you feel towards your male partner. You "love" him, but you don't feel guilt about hurting him or empathy if he suffers. And contrast that to the love you feel for your children. Where you feel guilt if you harm them in any way and empathy if they suffer. It seems to me that illustrates the point perfectly. It's a missed opportunity. She could have got a real (if limited) insight into what it feels like to be a sociopath. And probably identify with it in the process.
Neurotypical men feel guilt and empathy towards partners in the same way they feel it towards their children. Sociopathic men don't.
She went into her profession "kicking and screaming"?
That sounds strange to me.
I'm wondering: Who forced her?
Why would you do that?
Very impressed by the author and interviewer as well. Will read the book.
Wow. That was an incredible point at the end. I am a counselor-in-training, and I found this interview incredibly eye-opening. Thank you.
Hmmm. I'm not going to comment further. Just... stick to your gut on how you feel about this narrative.
Yep. ❤
i'm confused. is it a mental disorder or a neurotype? they're not the same thing.
It's a neurological disorder
Yeah the neurodivergent umbrella has become a bit much
@@EdenthelRei Agreed. That annoyed me too, as an autistic person who was in a relationship with a diagnosed sociopath/psychopath. I would say for them - purely mental. Her confusing the two was a red flag.
Sociopaths and Psychopaths attempt to avoid accountability by claiming it's a neurotype -- fortunately, that's NOT what Science says. You can literally see the Sociopathy and Psychopathy condition on brain scans. It's a literal functional impairment in their brains, and the condition is a result of that. Autism, ADHD, Dylexia, etc., cannot be revealed on a brain scan -- it's a difference in internal wiring, not a fundamental change in brain structure (like psychopathy is).
I wonder what was edited out. I would have been interested in hearing answers not about "assumptions" but about published characteristics such as: telling lies to take advantage of others; using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or pleasure; having a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated.
What happened to the woman she was stalking?
SERIOUSLY
@@stuff1784 do you know Einstein?
@@Capecodham No
@@stuff1784 so why say, "seriously?"
@@Capecodham I’m emphasizing your point.
I can’t wait to read it!! Thank you for interviewing the author! Such great Q&A!
Thank you for this interview. I'm on my library's waiting list for this book and now I'm even more motivated to read it.
I would say that my empathy tends to be based on mirror neurons, but also some understanding if I've experienced something similar. So, if my mirror neurons are picking up on someone that doesn't seem to be behaving in an empathetic way, I don't have empathy for them. Maybe sympathy. But not empathy. I tend to match energy.
Im a diagnosed sociopath and I'd love to come on the podcast ❤
@ChocolateAutizzy I saw your interview on Special Books by Special Kids channel
@@iangoldie6396Same! It’s nice to see you here!
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You’re not one at all. You’re in autistic spectrum. I can read my own breed, I am diagnosed one with ASPD, schizoid. Even the women on interview she isn’t one, she is more of an attention seeking person. Sociopaths aren’t attention seeking individuals at all. You just gave yourself away. You have alexithymia, I can read you like a book. Stop labeling yourself, you aren’t one. I can read my own nature who truly has ASPD.
(first five minutes) physiological means biological and learned behaviours means self-deception (which is normally considered an occult thing to understand it's part of why drugs are illegal and they teach it in the military and police desert storm par example)
search (youtube) mrrhexx psuedo dragons and faerie dragons (it's humanist psychology) it means psychopaths hang with the guys sociopaths chill with the women
loving/possible/honest existentialism is accessible to a few, poorly represented by the uninspired and as a subjective thing it's value is only what you make of it
negotiable thing (i'm drunk) means it's "mercantile" (!)
No way, the 0:15 gesture does my lovely teacher too and she is the most empathetic person i know. The thing is: In psychology everyome has a bad side. People are devided in shizoid, paranoid, psychopathic, fearful, dissociative, histironic, co dependent, natcisstic, passive-aggressive, anankastic, emotional instable....means...everyone has a bad side and to know how to invest in the good side is important
And she is highly gifted clearly and a lot of women are misdiagnosed. Social emotional skill can only be builded with like minded people. Normally highly gifted people who are misdiagnosed as borderliners, psychopathic or sociopathic primarily grow feeling lower empathy and rationalizing as they cant connect with 98% of people.
Also autism in women and asperger is often mistyped as having no emotional EQ, which is not true. The rational EQ feels just showing no emotions, but the autist feels deeply inside
Ashlesha moon in vedic and reduced emotional spectrum showing is just thinking comes first and because it feels not easily swayed by emotions like women under IQ 110 do without having a good hypothalamus to regulate and overshadowing with rational cognitive ability.
This awareness is not what a real sociopath would be as a sociopath cant see themselfs.
This woman only cant vibe with 98% of people as her high cognition and rhetoric plus intellectual ability helped her finding a path in life not finding no success by being swayed away from feelings.
Oftentimes gifted women feel the first time interest, love and feelings with another gifted people and often struggle to make friends as they feel nothing with "normal IQ" people. Its not possible, frequencies and brains need to connect with the same wavelength and how if you meet seldom people with that?
So you prefer to focus on your life, tasks and the social emotional area and skill feels underdeveloped.
Psychologists and teachers, doctors are often highly gifted and normal people call them often "too rational or like a burden", not mirroring the easy swayed away emotional reactions men see in porn, school or what people expect from a woman to show.
If a highly gifted woman feels alone or dont find a mirror like most people easily will find, yes a hightened trait in knowing, but no emotional showing training builds up.
She IS empathetic and has a lovely energy and caring aura.
Is sociopathy a recognized diagnosis in American psychiatry still? I think it was abandoned a long time ago?
Yes that's true, which Patric discusses in a lot of detail in the book
She is a fake person. As sociopath isnt even a word in dsm5. Shes saying that sociopathy is differential from Aspd when in reality its literally the same thing😂
Someone said to me about a year ago that they don’t have any sort of feelings when others suffer. They don’t feel anything. They don’t care if others are hurt, they can’t feel what they’re going through. It genuinely scared me and I reacted internally in a hateful way. It made me mad, it made me feel like something was *wrong* with them, and it was because at that point I felt I couldn’t trust them. We weren’t close, so it was easy for me to decide that. I decided to tell others that also knew them, and I hate that I acted that way. In my mind, I was protecting, but I was also lashing out because there had been various instances where I felt misunderstood by them, and it was likely because of what is possibly sociopathy. I was being childish and selfish and hateful. Having awareness about this is so important. It’s just as important as people having awareness about adhd, which is something I struggle with and it controls so much of my life. It’s not my fault I have adhd. It’s not someone’s fault that they are sociopath, and I knew that before, but I still villainized it because of what I’ve experienced or seen before. I’m glad I’m becoming more aware. I don’t want to make someone feel othered because of their disorder. I want to make them feel understood and accepted.
@PlebianGorilla We should never understand or accept sociopaths or psychopaths. They are inherent dangerous without exception and pretending they're not is incredibly naive. By all means be open minded, but not so much that your brain falls out.
@@CrashBoomBang78 😹I see nothing wrong or judgey about telling others someone is a verified sociopath or psychopath and to stay safe.
@@CrashBoomBang78 I think you’re going into this without a brain. Not understanding them? Why wouldn’t I want to understand them? Wouldn’t that be the best way to protect myself? To know exactly how they operate? I’m not jumping to bring one in my life, but I am willing, because I think it’s intelligent, to look at it from an objective point of view; they’re animals (as we all are) that don’t have properly functioning brains, that isn’t something they chose, and it doesn’t mean I should attack them. Having hatred is a waste of my time and energy. If anything, attacking them would put me in a worse position. It would make me more vulnerable. Caution is necessary, but your response is really annoying and small-brained… and ableist.
@@CrashBoomBang78 why would I choose to not understand something-wouldn’t that make me more vulnerable because I’m not seeing the full picture? I’m not saying I’m going to go get married to a sociopath or even invite a friendship with one, but I think it’s of a low-intelligence mindset to say I should do what I did previously and attack them. That puts me in an even more vulnerable situation, and is acting based on emotion rather than being objective. Ableism just isn’t necessary, tactful, or reasonable. I can choose to understand someone and treat them well without choosing to trust that they will have my best interest in mind.
If a person functions in this world in an abnormal way, at least in this case, it’s not their fault. Why would I harbor hatred for them? That’s silly and small-brained. I can treat them with kindness. Also, if someone is a sociopath but they make the conscious decision to do the “right” thing from a place that isn’t based on how it makes them feel emotionally but rather what they believe to be the most positive thing for their fellow humans… that takes strength and is even more commendable than someone who did something good because the alternative made them feel bad. It’s selfless.
@PlebianGorilla They don't make decisions based on "what is best for their fellow humans", that's exactly the point. They make decision based on what is best for THEM. No matter what it takes or how much it hurts others. That's what defines these disorders and also what makes them inherently harmful to other people. A sociopath or psychopath ALWAYS acts out of self-interest, that is the driving force for literally everything they do. Every single, little thing. They can alter or modify the way they treat others IF IT SERVES THEM, but even for such a small change to happen they need to be extremely self-aware AND deeply in therapy with a therapist who possesses a degree of expertise in how to handle these disorders specifically. And ninety-nine percent of people with ASPD aren't going to tick those boxes, thus they are going to be deeply and firmly rooted in their own pathology and disordered responses, other people be damned. These are called personality disorders for a reason; meaning that the way someone thinks and functions is so deeply embedded into them that it's who they are. There is no separating the core of who they are from their diagnosis, it is LITERALLY in their personality. To recognize this is not ableism, it's merely a factual observation.
ASPD is unique in the way it functions because it is the only personality disorder where the affected part lacks empathy, guilt, and remorse. So while all personality disorders can be toxic when left untreated and unchecked, this one factor makes all the difference regarding how a person suffering from it is going to move through life and subsequently harm others along the way. And when the disordered party has no interest in changing, the only thing that's left to do is educating people about how they operate so that people who happen to cross paths with them, know how to identify them and keep themselves safe. It is simply damage control.
what about awkward use of unusually sophisticated vocabulary ... curious where that might fit into diagnostic models
Good for her for writing this book to get her face out there and make lots of money. However, sociopaths score significantly higher on the narcissistic personality index than the average person, so they have very limited self awareness and will just lie or twist the truth to fit their needs. I am taking everything this woman says with a giant boulder of salt.
Thanks for interviewing her! I read the book, and I really enjoyed it. I found it eye-opening.
The Mayo Clinic says antisocial personality disorder and sociopathy are known as the same thing…are they wrong or is this woman wrong?? 😳
You'll have to read the book to hear about her specific experiences in investigating her own diagnosis. It's very interesting!
Ignore the book. She's trying to redefine things by going against the established protocols and in her favor. Yes, Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic say what you wrote. Disgusting that people use social media to create confusion. A very sociopathic thing to do. As an autistic person, I don't like her claiming neurodivergence, either.
That book seems incredibly interesting.
I've experienced bad relationships with people I believe had sociopathy so I was prepared to be uncomfortable watching this and I recognize the irony and moral failing on my part, judging someone based on something they can't help having. By the end of this video I so appreciate that this woman has taken it upon herself to learn about herself, learn how to manage her mental conditions in the same way I have had to with my myriad mental conditions, so that they have the least negative impact on the world and people in our lives, in fact she has clearly made it a positive contribution to the world by pursuing a PhD in a field that is dedicated to helping others, and sharing her own experiences knowing that people will be judgemental and unkind toward her in the interest of teaching people. In western culture I feel like young men are taught to cultivate features of sociopathy to be successful men, and to prove their manhood through self-indulgent behaviors and a lack of empathy that are detrimental to others, especially women. So, I am both refreshed and sobered that the person doing the work to teach us, at their own personal risk, is a woman, and an educated woman who is making personal sacrifices to do that service. I hope that an increasing awareness of sociopathy will help us all heal our culture.
I just think there are so many types of people even if they are sociopaths. But to be diagnosed with ASPD they have to have committed really off the line acts like crimes repeatedly since childhood. I wonder what she means by being a sociopath but not diagnosed ASPD.
She's so full of crap. That's not even a thing.
Interesting! Hey what mic do you use? It's great! Is it just 1 mic? Amazing quality! 🎉
the way she differentiates betwen psychopath, sociopath and antisocial personality disorder, saying the three of them are different diagnoses, just doesn’t exist in psychiartry. ok, the way people understand these words, in the social world, can be different, but in a diagnostic matter there is only the personality disorder. this is a woman who had behavioral issues through childhood, with a predisposition to later in life develop a personality disorder, but through learning and receiving the right care, doesn’t have it today, wich is great. If this word (sociopathy) has no importance is the medical and psychological field, and society conceives these people very similarly to the antisocial personality disorder, wich she doesn’t have, then she is not a sociopath. maybe she was misled by someone who “diagnosed” her, or maybe she is just saying that to get her to sell books, don’t know wich is the case
I would never go to this woman as a therapist. I don’t want your conceptual idea of how it is to suffer, but to actually understand because you experienced feelings.
She seems cold and robotic to me, not warm and charming.
My ex was one…. All this is a front for her to gain money and fame so she had more power to lie and manipulate. End of! RUN
I just finished Patric’s book after watching her do a number of interviews. It was very thoughtful, insightful and well written. It gave me a little more insight into my own spectrum but, I will forever remain as the gray man due to the stigma. As for a cure well, I believe that is a little over optimistic.
Many people are commenting with questions that are answered in the book. She knows that sociopathy is not in the current version of the DSM and that is a big reason for her diving into research on sociopathy and psychology in general. I loved the book, highly recommend
The problem isn't that sociopathy isn't in the DSM. Psychopathy isn't in the DSM but it's a recognized and well-studied condition. The problem is that she's just seems to be deciding what she wants "sociopathy" to mean.
@@aporia25 oh ok I get what you are saying, do you know why sociopathy isn’t a widely used term and/or a term that id studied? From what I remember in the book, the author was interested in sociopathy because she was exhibiting signs of psychopathy but on a smaller scale I believe. Idk, it’s definitely a very interesting topic!
@@erinpletch2223 Antisocial personality disorder is in the DSM and is a proper diagnosis. This lady's just making shit up to suit her own needs.
its not what we feel its what we do!!!
Love this book! Thanks so much for this conversation ~
I have a question for this lady. If sociopathy is the inability to feel emotions, are anti-anxiety medications turning people into sociopaths? Because these medications cause apathy, even for a specific period of treatment, and this is scientifically proven.
Mildly, yes, IMO. In my experience benzos coupled with SSRIs made me "care" a lot less about everyone and everything. I'm highly sensitive otherwise. Very interesting observation and question. I don't think it made me lack empathy to the extent of a sociopath though. But it definitely numbs.
As someone who had to be on both an SSRI for (debilitating anxiety,) and an antipsychotic (due to the severity of my symptoms after an infection) for about a year and a half, I had those fears. But in MY case, I felt everything; it just makes the repetitiveness of an anxious thought easier to withstand and destabilize. I still cried, empathized, laughed...everything. I didn't lose my emotional moral compass. It was more like it helped things that cut me deeply, not cut so deep, and my thoughts flowed better. It never made me want to hurt or harm or destroy anyone else. In fact, my experience needing those meds was so bad that it enhanced my empathy for those in similar situations. I really get it now, rather than it be an abstract concept.
I was loosely diagnosed with ASPD. I love animals though. I actually think the general public is just as cruel as someone who tortures animals in person. So not sure if the shoe fits. I dont feel guilty about certain things...I feel shame, rage fear and depression constantly.
I think there’s a long list of criteria and most people diagnosed with ASPD don’t tick every box on that list. Just like people who struggle with depression don’t have all the symptoms. *I love animals too-and I get angry with those that treat them badly but I experience little to no empathy for people in general.
@erikamichels103 oh shoot - from what you just said I can relate. And from what the interviewee said about intellectually wanting to help strangers to be pro social I relate to too. Oh well. Healthy childhoods are for losers
Also not sure if you relate but I feel really calm when emergencies happen. I feel pissed off at paperwork and dirty dishes
@@ADHDMartialArtsFiend-vw3fj Ha! Exactly. The thought of having to go to the DMV freaks me out far more than an armed robbery. But yes, although I don’t have any deep feelings towards anyone, I do feel called to make the planet a better place-my career involves environmental energy efficiency. *Do you find it odd that others label those with ASPD as being “fake” or “shallow”. I do, as I primarily see the rest of the world as incredibly phony.
So much false information about sociopaths-The truth is that They don’t feel love, they are unbelievably manipulative, they have no empathy.
I want to see interviews by her victims -- only then will this be a real video (not propaganda).
With the little amount of study I have done on ASPD and the terms sociopathy and Psychopathy... this lady has no clue what she is talking about, and I don't believe a word she is saying.
Patric has done a lot of research into the different ways those terms have been defined over time - it's fascinating!
@@BookBreak "Research" lol
@@BookBreak Unfortunately, it's pretty clear that she hasn't, for anyone with a psychology background.
Unless you have lived under a rock everybody can understand that being uncaring and unlikeable doesn't make you a sociopath. And even if she was, the fact that she's allowed to 'do therapy' should probably scare the crap out of us about the society we live in.
Can you tell a sociopath by their eyes? Do they have dead eyes, and also they don't really blink (unless they make themselves blink to seem normal)?
I was married to a diagnosed psychopath. There is no way to tell. I have a high EQ. I lived with a psychopath for years. And I still wouldn’t be able to tell if I met one. They are master manipulators. They can do or say anything to seem wonderful for as long as they have to. You only see the signs when they don’t care if you see the signs. It took me 3 years to see ANY signs in my ex husband. Once I saw him with his mask off, I never saw the charming guy he pretended to be ever again when it was just us two. Only in front of other people.
I’ve heard that sociopaths tend to hold eye contact for longer than normal, because they don’t feel any anxiety about maintaining eye contact. This can make them seem more charismatic and confident, so watch out. From my own experience, the sociopaths I’ve encountered tend to sneer and smirk more than normal people. But of course they put on a mask of civility and charm so as to fit in.
Wolf in sheep's clothing.
Heck yeah. More of this please. Very honest, enlightening and refreshing.
I understand that psychopath are born, sociopaths are parented. So they have the same brains as typical children, maybe more sensitive, and due to parents bad job sociopath never grow past 2 year old narcissist. Some coping mechanism, that has some genetic component, but mostly bad parenting.
No need to compare deliberate crime to OCD washing hands too often. Two different things.
Uhh I think she wanted to stab the other child.
There are no sociopathy/psychopathy diagnostics in the DSM (and definitely no consistent difference in usage between those two terms).
I wonder how she was raised.
Sociopathy does not appear in the DSM-5 .. so, what’s the clinical diagnosis, if it’s not ASPD?
is the interviewer mixing up sociopathy and psychopathy like… a lot? i get it most people do & i’m glad she asked about it in order to learn this but 😬 some people are just going to ignore this author’s responses to why ASPD and sociopathy are different…
The thing is that everything in research and diagnostics isn't as clear cut as this author describes it. In fact, the explanation that sociopathy is social (and thus can be trained) and psychopathy is genetic (and can't) isn't the majority opinion and sociopathy does not have its own diagnostics. Psychopathy and ASPD have. I think heavy selection bias on the research is shown here to fit the authors own narrative (which is understandable if it fits her lived experience, but we shouldn't forget that she isn't the expert on the diagnostic side - far from it)
Can't wait to read this! Great interview
Would she kill her own child if she could get away with it?
Where in the DSM is the criteria for sociopathathy?
Very candid. Well done.
What a fascinating conversation.
Interesting interview. I have a segment in my up coming novel that explores concepts like these. Would be nice to incorporate some of this into the story :D
Making a person famous for all the wrong reasons...
“Me too” 😂 💚📚🪱💚
Wait… she goes back and forth between using the term “neuro typical” and then “personality type.”
Listened to it on Audible
Great interview, congrats!
Such an interesting video and book. We do have many copies in our store (Waterstones in Covent Garden) and I’m so keen to read it. 😊
The dynamics between the interviewer and the author lady make me uncomfortable.
So a clinician or mental health professional would write down in their notes “ secondary psychopathy”, since there doesn’t seem to be a “sociopath” in the DSM and you’re saying the diagnostic criteria for aspd is not what is used ??
Wouldn't the urge to hurt animals be more due to the sociopath's lack of remorse? Often violence is quite normalized to a sociopathic child.
Interesting interview nonetheless.
Wanting to feel something is the root desire. Remorse would for a normal person would be the metaphorical safety rail that stops a normal person to hurt the animal.
@@reapsmccreep8847what about empathy?
@@guitarlessonsnow3431 well the short answer is again the desire to feel something gets the ball rolling to do something bad empathy is indeed different than remorse that it doesn’t happen after the act but it’s the same situation that the emotion is a guard rail to stop bad act.
So what's the feeling the person is seeking for?
@@AliceVFame Well in Patrick’s book she describes it along the lines of being only able to go on so long while not being stimulated. Like eventually you’re gonna break from the prolonged feeling of apathy. So she chose to do “minor” bad things” like technically stealing peoples car n going to stranger’s funerals are examples on top of my head. Anyway to finally answer your question LITERALLY ANYTHING. I totally recommend you read or listen the book. Though in my personal opinion it kinda falls off a lil towards the end.
This was so interesting. Thank you ❤
its crazy how some of these comments miss the mark completely. judging a strangers empathy while clearly lacking ur own. empathy is something that CAN be learned and nurtured if one is willing enough. this is why its imperative that we extend our empathy to everyone, even if they dont reciprocate. a lot ppl mix up being empathetic w being 'soft' and easily manipulated which just isnt the case. to me its about learning how to feel for others and being able to put urself in their shoes. that doesnt mean that you necessarily agree with or feel bad for that person. i see it more as a means to better urself mentally and emotionally in order to be able to function in society (speaking as a neurodivergent person who still struggles w empathy at times)
@wujuandrea That is only partially true. A sociopath can POTENTIALLY learn cognitive empathy and perhaps choose to apply it if it benefits them in some way, but they will never experience emotional empathy because their brains are literally unable, that's HOW the disorder works.
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@@CrashBoomBang78 Precisely.