And he had heard the horror stories about what McMahon had done to/against the promoters of that territory system and knew he was in a position to give McMahon a little taste of his own medicine.
Ted enjoyed wrestling but didn't understand the entertainment part of it. Vince fully understood that part, and that's why the WWF/WWE survived all these years. I remember an interview from Vince in which he said that Ted called him one day and said, "Hey, Vince, guess what? I'm now in the wrestling business," and Vince replied, "That's good, Ted, but I'm in the entertainment business".
I love listening to Eric. He seems like such a cool guy. His thoughts, whether you agree or not, always make sense. I like hearing his thoughts on the business and business in general.
Been looking forward to this full interview 🔥😤 always like Eric and his takes on the business…regardless of how you feel about he’s still the only guy to actually challenge the WWF/E hold over the wrestling business
the funny thing is Vince's character (how he presents himself on tv) would definitely say that about competition (and in stronger terms too lol) I wouldn't be surprized if he said the XFL would kick it's competition's butt
Col DeBeers, aka Ed Wiskowski from Portland wrestling! I liked how he caused chaos with Buddy Rose back in the day.... Miss Don Owen's Portland wrestling
As a former film student, the 'aspects of production' conversation is fascinating to me (such as having a static two-shot for interviews). I feel that too many TV shows, not exclusively wrestling, go overboard with their camera coverage and editing instead of having a well blocked scene. *For example, I was recently on a plane sitting next to a girl who was watching a popular series on Netflix on her tablet and when you are detached from the sound and the story you can really see how busy the editing is, to the point of it being nauseating. *I hope Eric brings an element of the former TNA after show called 'TNA ReAction' to his One Shot, as that had that gritty documentary feel that enhanced the story back then (I believe it was a project he done with Jason Hervey).
Vince and various other people tried very hard to paint Eric as the bad guy, but in typical fashion they were all just projecting their own BS onto him.
1:15:15 I fully agree with Eric here! Lance and Jericho were 📺 Gold in Smokey Mountain.. Jericho was the star if you watch all those old vignettes from Cornette Promotions.. Lance was plain jane on the 🎤.. he lacked microphone skills with Jericho doing all the storytelling.. Lance thought he was better than he was 💯%!
I know that NWO did the crotch chop as well, but hearing Hogan tell people to ‘Suck it’ is wrong on just too many levels 🤢 Great interview as always, James. Eric is the man and I enjoyed this so much more than anything to do with Conrad Thompson, who has just become so insufferable that I no longer watch Eric’s podcast. Great job here 👏
We are in agreement that the Monday Night War subject has been done to death. But I am of the belief that it has yet to be done right. I have yet to see a documentary / video / whatever on the Monday night Wars that do the subject proper justice. Maybe it *can't* be done proper justice maybe it's just my perspective / opinion but I think that the cultural impact and the hugeness of it all is not properly captured and cannot be properly understood by people that didn't live through it by simply seeing the media that already exists on it... I feel like a true definitive documentary on it could do very well.
I have thought of what you just stated before. I think a lot of it was that fans like us watched EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of absolutely EVERY SINGLE WEEK. There are so many nuances that never get talked about because you just can’t fit it all in. But a lot of us fans know so much more than the general narratives
25:00 dave meltzer saud sonething out of hand after years of other podcasters saying all kinds of shit about him but dave is the asshole, lets just cut all this out and get back to business of fun, enjoyable podcasts. Ive literally heard tk spoken abiut quite nastily for his unterviews and how he appears on tv but suddenly nobody has criticised tk personally, calling bullshit on that and i genuinely enjoy the wsi/dutch videos as my fav each week along with now stevie, so i dont say that out of sny hate
The fact Eric doesn’t get the credit he deserves is so frustrsting. Dude is the only person to ever actually best Vince McMahon at his own game and it just gets routinely dismissed. Damn shame.
He also took over an already established wrestling company with SOME sort of following and was able to hire some of the biggest names of all time since he was given unlimited money to do so. His one success was the NWO and he played that to death. Otherwise, his inability to put on a good show and have long lasting story lines that weren't nwo related was real. Matches were short, every show ended the same way with nwo beat downs or interference, same boring hulk interviews every week, and not pushing midcard talent like Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit, etc. Yes, he brought WCW it's greatest success, but he also killed the company with complacency and letting the old guard of stars run the show and keep everyone else down. AEW has the same big money for signings, but they weren't already established before that and there aren't any Hogans, Macho Mans, etc like there one were to really make that company blow up. All it took for WCW was a Hogan heel turn because Hogan was that big a name with cross over appeal. Without that Hogan turn, they never would have put WWE in danger of closing it's doors. I like Bischoff and I give him his due, but he was no Vince McMahon. I think Eric gets plenty of credit for what he accomplished, but that was a fairly short time period of success and then we all know the unfortunate end result.
Bishoff's so full of crap talking about Sting and Hogan finish. Sting walked into the pre show meeting KNOWING Hulk was gonna pull the carpet out from underneath him AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. But tell me more about how pale he was and needed a tan. What a crock of bs. Eric you flat out BLEW the Starcade finish fans were waiting a year for. Hulk Hogan is trash as a human and always will be trash.
Wrestling these days, abit in wwe, but 100% aew, in the sense of the woke culture and how utterly stupid a lot of society have become, and what better tv show to watch then Wrestling too see what modern day earth looks like, well America, canada, Australia, and even my great country England, ( yeah right 🙄🙄😢) sorry i digress, thats whst i mean i say earth, the woke earth thanks too tje US, weve always took Americans stuff good and bad and fckin stupid 😢😂😂😂
I was a huge Bullet Club/NJPW fan, Kenny Omega got me back into wrestling. I was at AEW’s first Dynamite. I loved Kenny’s run as champion. Vince’s WWE had real problems and I appreciated an alternative. AEW has totally lost me. I don’t hate it I just got bored. I think a lot of people agree as the empty arenas n low ratings demonstrate. Losing CM Punk was a disaster, particularly after Kenny’s injury. HHH has been killing it running WWE.
I always like Bischoff, great on commentary and very well spoken and enjoyable to listen too in these interviews. He also does seem to have a certain aura of smugness to him with the potential of being a callous prick a little though, lol, but maybe I'm wrong. Was so hoping him and Fusient would have been successful in acquiring WCW. That was a real gut punch for me, being a serious, old school wrestling fan.
I'm not sure if you're outside the US but here in South Africa WCW was non-existent and WWF dominated. The reason why I brought this up is to ask did WCW only dominate in the states or the rest of the world as well.
@@TenmaKenzo-to1so just to chime in, I don't really know the answer, I didn't really get to watch any wrestling at all in the 90s (in Canada), so I probably heard of the WWF (because of a SNES video game), but probably didn't know WCW, but that's because I had very little wrestling exposure. but in my life, they both were kind of non-existent in the 90s (outside of a single video game, that a friend had, that I liked, but probably only played it or watched it being played a couple times) but I watched a video today, where James (the interviewer of this video) said he got some channel that only showed WCW and that was all he got from the sounds of it (at that time) he also said that the way the WWF handled the WCW invasion angle put him off wrestling at the time if I recall correctly, if I'm overstating it, then it at least put a bad taste in his mouth, so it seems he (as a Brit - I'm pretty sure he's British) liked WCW, it didn't seem non-existent to James as you put it
@@TenmaKenzo-to1so oh just to add, James didn't like the WCW content that he got (it was the end of WCW) at the time and when I said it seems like he liked WCW, is just beacuse it seems James believes WWF could've made a much better stronger storyline with great matchups with the WWF vs WCW story (WCW invasion), and I think that is a view that a lot of wrestling fans hold
@@justanobody0 Anyone with Cable TV in the UK got the high point of WCW on TNT from 1995 onwards (as TNT used to follow The Cartoon Network on the same channel with a prime time switchover). I live in the UK and we used to watch Nitro and Raw back to back on a Friday night, as we had a few days of a delay with the USA. I wore an nWo shirt, and an nWo Wolfpac shirt, to my High School physical education classes. 🙂
I don't care what Vince McMahon says... Ted Turner seemed like a cool guy that just enjoyed Wrestling Entertainment as much as the next person
And he had heard the horror stories about what McMahon had done to/against the promoters of that territory system and knew he was in a position to give McMahon a little taste of his own medicine.
@@jamesmiller5331 smark headcanon
Ted respected pro wrestling because when he started out his super station he had 2 shows professional wrestling, and Andy Griffith, and the Braves.
@@jamesmiller5331Lol such revisionist history.
Ted enjoyed wrestling but didn't understand the entertainment part of it. Vince fully understood that part, and that's why the WWF/WWE survived all these years. I remember an interview from Vince in which he said that Ted called him one day and said, "Hey, Vince, guess what? I'm now in the wrestling business," and Vince replied, "That's good, Ted, but I'm in the entertainment business".
Much prefer these long form podcasts to 10+ chopped up 5-10 minute segments. Thanks for the upload.
I love listening to Eric. He seems like such a cool guy. His thoughts, whether you agree or not, always make sense. I like hearing his thoughts on the business and business in general.
Bischoff's back! and better than ever!
Great interview! You guys gel well together. I liked the name associations. Eric seems like such a grateful and genuine real guy
Great to hear from Eric.
Been looking forward to this full interview 🔥😤 always like Eric and his takes on the business…regardless of how you feel about he’s still the only guy to actually challenge the WWF/E hold over the wrestling business
This!
James! You're one of the best
I'm BAAACK... and I'm better than ever...
Ha ha
Today is Dutchs Birthday 🎂 as well Jerry Lawler and JBL ..Happy birthday to all of them
Great to hear from Eric again a very entertaining interview James
Eric is the man , great episode james
Great interview. Part 3 soon please.
Vinnie Mac was upset with Billionaire Ted because Turner was on camera saying “I’m gonna kick Vince McMahon’s butt”.
the funny thing is Vince's character (how he presents himself on tv) would definitely say that about competition (and in stronger terms too lol)
I wouldn't be surprized if he said the XFL would kick it's competition's butt
Eric is the man! NWO4 Life ❤
Great interview love hearing Eric talk about the business .
Another great interview James. Love listening to Eazy E.
Like a lot of people have already said I think you're better to work with Bischoff than Conrad is I love the chemistry between you two
That’s one fine Bish. Also, welcome to Montana!
Been waiting for the full interview! Lfg gentlemen!
New episodes!!! Hell yea!! 🙌🙌
Col DeBeers, aka Ed Wiskowski from Portland wrestling! I liked how he caused chaos with Buddy Rose back in the day....
Miss Don Owen's Portland wrestling
Finally!
As a former film student, the 'aspects of production' conversation is fascinating to me (such as having a static two-shot for interviews). I feel that too many TV shows, not exclusively wrestling, go overboard with their camera coverage and editing instead of having a well blocked scene. *For example, I was recently on a plane sitting next to a girl who was watching a popular series on Netflix on her tablet and when you are detached from the sound and the story you can really see how busy the editing is, to the point of it being nauseating. *I hope Eric brings an element of the former TNA after show called 'TNA ReAction' to his One Shot, as that had that gritty documentary feel that enhanced the story back then (I believe it was a project he done with Jason Hervey).
Moving to Montana soon yippee yayo tayay
nice stuff- that bar is haunted- that you eric for the idea for a story
Eric is the man!
Vince and various other people tried very hard to paint Eric as the bad guy, but in typical fashion they were all just projecting their own BS onto him.
Yep. If you told me in 1998 that Eric Bischoff would be in the WWE Hall Of Fame and Vince would not, I never would've believed you.
If bischoff has vince on his 83 weeks podcast that would break the internet
2009-10 Orton was one of the greatest EVER. The look, the facials, the voice, the finisher...
"the facials"
Pause
play me some piani, thats piano i said piani
1:15:15 I fully agree with Eric here! Lance and Jericho were 📺 Gold in Smokey Mountain.. Jericho was the star if you watch all those old vignettes from Cornette Promotions.. Lance was plain jane on the 🎤.. he lacked microphone skills with Jericho doing all the storytelling.. Lance thought he was better than he was 💯%!
I would watch his Podcast if Conrad wasn't the co host... He's awful lol.
18:35 Uncle Howdy's doing this now
Eric Bishoff is an honest person pertaining to his relationship with wrestlers.
Interesting stories about the AWA.
I know that NWO did the crotch chop as well, but hearing Hogan tell people to ‘Suck it’ is wrong on just too many levels 🤢 Great interview as always, James. Eric is the man and I enjoyed this so much more than anything to do with Conrad Thompson, who has just become so insufferable that I no longer watch Eric’s podcast. Great job here 👏
Eric needs to get back in the ring & start taking bumps again. Would love to see him getting bumped around on TV
We are in agreement that the Monday Night War subject has been done to death.
But I am of the belief that it has yet to be done right. I have yet to see a documentary / video / whatever on the Monday night Wars that do the subject proper justice.
Maybe it *can't* be done proper justice maybe it's just my perspective / opinion but I think that the cultural impact and the hugeness of it all is not properly captured and cannot be properly understood by people that didn't live through it by simply seeing the media that already exists on it... I feel like a true definitive documentary on it could do very well.
I have thought of what you just stated before. I think a lot of it was that fans like us watched EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of absolutely EVERY SINGLE WEEK. There are so many nuances that never get talked about because you just can’t fit it all in. But a lot of us fans know so much more than the general narratives
I love really spicy curry, but Eric is right. Past a certain spice point you stop tasting the spices and just feel the burn.
I love Eric Bischoff. I think his son's name is Garrett too! But when Larry Zbyszko would call him Eric Ripoff!! Lol! That was soo funny 😊
England is basically Indian territory now so definitely the best Indian food you'll find outside India/Pakistan. The West Midlands probably the best.
Dave Meltzer is the real booker of AEW.
7:34 Are we going to forget about David Arquette? Lol
Dave Meltzer is not like hot curry, he's like the drizzling shits you get after eating hot curry.
Or eating a dodgy Vindaloo.
NWO fan for life.
Next time Eric bashes AEW about their creativity, check out Bischoff vs Larry Zbyszko and get back to me 😂
A MNW documentary where he can't use any of the footage?
25:00 dave meltzer saud sonething out of hand after years of other podcasters saying all kinds of shit about him but dave is the asshole, lets just cut all this out and get back to business of fun, enjoyable podcasts. Ive literally heard tk spoken abiut quite nastily for his unterviews and how he appears on tv but suddenly nobody has criticised tk personally, calling bullshit on that and i genuinely enjoy the wsi/dutch videos as my fav each week along with now stevie, so i dont say that out of sny hate
My question to anyone,Why the Young Bicks never wrestle in the WWE??????
The fact Eric doesn’t get the credit he deserves is so frustrsting. Dude is the only person to ever actually best Vince McMahon at his own game and it just gets routinely dismissed. Damn shame.
He also took over an already established wrestling company with SOME sort of following and was able to hire some of the biggest names of all time since he was given unlimited money to do so. His one success was the NWO and he played that to death. Otherwise, his inability to put on a good show and have long lasting story lines that weren't nwo related was real. Matches were short, every show ended the same way with nwo beat downs or interference, same boring hulk interviews every week, and not pushing midcard talent like Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit, etc. Yes, he brought WCW it's greatest success, but he also killed the company with complacency and letting the old guard of stars run the show and keep everyone else down. AEW has the same big money for signings, but they weren't already established before that and there aren't any Hogans, Macho Mans, etc like there one were to really make that company blow up. All it took for WCW was a Hogan heel turn because Hogan was that big a name with cross over appeal. Without that Hogan turn, they never would have put WWE in danger of closing it's doors. I like Bischoff and I give him his due, but he was no Vince McMahon. I think Eric gets plenty of credit for what he accomplished, but that was a fairly short time period of success and then we all know the unfortunate end result.
eric ratings bischoff
Bishoff or..gets bad press... Good guy.. a boss is a boss ffs
The South Indian Garlic Chilli Chicken is the worst, zero taste, just overpowering heat for the sake of it
Lamb Curry is my favorite
Hulky: yeah yeah break it down man!!! well let me tell ya somethin!!! …SSSUck it to meh brrrrother!!!….🥸 🦗 🦗 🦗
HBK/HHH etc: …🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Nearly 14 minutes before a little knock on aew im surprised eric didnt hang up on the call waiting that long
Curry is the worst..but each they own
Bishoff's so full of crap talking about Sting and Hogan finish. Sting walked into the pre show meeting KNOWING Hulk was gonna pull the carpet out from underneath him AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. But tell me more about how pale he was and needed a tan. What a crock of bs. Eric you flat out BLEW the Starcade finish fans were waiting a year for. Hulk Hogan is trash as a human and always will be trash.
I don't like The Rock, I do like Paul Walter Hauser, but Paul is NEVER EVER gonna be anywhere near The Rock's level in any business
Half of this is just bischoff whining about AEW. FFS he has such dense history to talk about let's get some actual content please.
Few people can lie and spin nonsense like Easy E. If you take everything he says as fiction with a hint of fact he's a real hoot.
You forgot to list a single example
stop talking abnout dave meltzer jeez! youre giving him more attention than he deserves stop it
Eric and hogan killed Prime TNA.
No they didn't.
Wrestling these days, abit in wwe, but 100% aew, in the sense of the woke culture and how utterly stupid a lot of society have become, and what better tv show to watch then Wrestling too see what modern day earth looks like, well America, canada, Australia, and even my great country England, ( yeah right 🙄🙄😢) sorry i digress, thats whst i mean i say earth, the woke earth thanks too tje US, weve always took Americans stuff good and bad and fckin stupid 😢😂😂😂
It's worth noting that Bischoff is now an employee of WWE.. So, his criticism of AEW can not be trusted.
AEW IS TRASH
Seriously!?
I did not know this.
What is he doing at WWE?
Are people still making excuses for AEW in 2024? Yikes.
I was a huge Bullet Club/NJPW fan, Kenny Omega got me back into wrestling. I was at AEW’s first Dynamite. I loved Kenny’s run as champion. Vince’s WWE had real problems and I appreciated an alternative.
AEW has totally lost me. I don’t hate it I just got bored. I think a lot of people agree as the empty arenas n low ratings demonstrate. Losing CM Punk was a disaster, particularly after Kenny’s injury. HHH has been killing it running WWE.
He's an independent contractor doing select appearances. He's not an employee.
Boring
It
gave me the curry squirts
That cruiser weight sucked i turned channel. Thats what wrestling is now small guys doing flips start in WCW.
The style of wrestling today is thanks more to ECW than WCW.
I always like Bischoff, great on commentary and very well spoken and enjoyable to listen too in these interviews. He also does seem to have a certain aura of smugness to him with the potential of being a callous prick a little though, lol, but maybe I'm wrong. Was so hoping him and Fusient would have been successful in acquiring WCW. That was a real gut punch for me, being a serious, old school wrestling fan.
I'm not sure if you're outside the US but here in South Africa WCW was non-existent and WWF dominated. The reason why I brought this up is to ask did WCW only dominate in the states or the rest of the world as well.
@@TenmaKenzo-to1so just to chime in, I don't really know the answer, I didn't really get to watch any wrestling at all in the 90s (in Canada), so I probably heard of the WWF (because of a SNES video game), but probably didn't know WCW, but that's because I had very little wrestling exposure.
but in my life, they both were kind of non-existent in the 90s (outside of a single video game, that a friend had, that I liked, but probably only played it or watched it being played a couple times)
but I watched a video today, where James (the interviewer of this video) said he got some channel that only showed WCW and that was all he got from the sounds of it (at that time)
he also said that the way the WWF handled the WCW invasion angle put him off wrestling at the time if I recall correctly, if I'm overstating it, then it at least put a bad taste in his mouth, so it seems he (as a Brit - I'm pretty sure he's British) liked WCW, it didn't seem non-existent to James as you put it
@@TenmaKenzo-to1so oh just to add, James didn't like the WCW content that he got (it was the end of WCW) at the time
and when I said it seems like he liked WCW, is just beacuse it seems James believes WWF could've made a much better stronger storyline with great matchups with the WWF vs WCW story (WCW invasion), and I think that is a view that a lot of wrestling fans hold
@@TenmaKenzo-to1sostates and other countries
@@justanobody0 Anyone with Cable TV in the UK got the high point of WCW on TNT from 1995 onwards (as TNT used to follow The Cartoon Network on the same channel with a prime time switchover). I live in the UK and we used to watch Nitro and Raw back to back on a Friday night, as we had a few days of a delay with the USA. I wore an nWo shirt, and an nWo Wolfpac shirt, to my High School physical education classes. 🙂
1:19:25 Terry fuckin Funk.