Swedish Ranger Soldier Jägarsoldat #4 Where is your weapon British Soldier Reacts
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I was conscripted in 2004. This lieutenant reminds me a lot of most of my officers. Never any screaming, just the "I'm disappointed in this performance - I expected much better of you".
IMO the shame works better than anger to solidify behaviour.
MPJ kungsängen I1 1997.. jeez how they stared to freak out on "grey" punichments ,,, ffs you are prepering to kill ppl ... there are no awehhh yah feels
My LT yelled during my training a few times. And all i can say about that is the person receving the yelling couldnt actually take anything in. The person just turned off and didnt get better at all. Actually quit even though he where among the best in most exercises. The other group with a more experienced LT didnt yell for the same thing. And in a quite firm voice stated what that person did wrong.
What that did was, first we respected the older LT more. We took what that LT said more seriously even though the requirements where the same. And also we tried harder for that LT because failing what felt like dissapointment from said LT was much worse than taking someone yelling at you for no reason.
So its probably also cultural what feels worse or not.
Changing your socks every 50min is something that they make you do in the beginning, to teach you how to take care of your feet and also do it within the time limit. Later on they leave it up to you. I usually did it every 3rd or 4th break depending on the weather.
And I believe they are sleeping in their proper tents in the next episode. It's a one-man-tent that we used to call "puppa" or in English "pupa".
Changing socks also helps when the boots are new and not walked in.
We use wool socks. A property of wool is that it absorbs perspiration. By changing socks, you keep your feet and the inside of your leather boots dry. So we change socks often. And we carry many pairs, thinner and thicker. The weight they add is a small price to pay compared to how your feet last over the long march. You can also use this method to dry out your boots if they have been filled with water. Change socks until the boots are dry again.
@@onepluszulu6701 Normal procedure i learned is to use layers of socks with the outer sock being wool even in summer unless it's very hot.
This means the socks can rub against each other and less friction goes to your foot.
But that was at one of the northern regiments.
@@AdurianJ Yes, I use the steel grey thin long socks as the base layer and the thicker sock on top of that even in summer. And following the same routine. Change socks often. Works all year around.
I feel i need to comment more. Swedish culture has been compared to Japanese culture. You are expected to pull your weight, excel and try your best. No need to shout, the calm but stern talking to is enough. You have lost face and have to live with it. The lieutenant knows it, you know it and your mates know it.
I did my military service in Sweden about 15 years before this was recorded and we were definitely yelled at. Not nearly to the extent you see with US drill instructors or the like, but actually screwing up (like forgetting your weapon) could definitely lead to some yelling and screaming, although it tended to vary quite a lot depending on the individual instructors.
So I wouldn't be so quick to put this down to some unique aspect of Swedish culture or whatever. It's a conscious choice of training methods. Also, importantly, they all know there are cameras present.
@@blubbson I'm sorry but it is a well known part of the Swedish culture that we are expected to behave calmer, do our part and solve problems on our own. I did my service before you did and there was very little screaming. The screaming that was done was done by the old guard of officers, many times recruited from the "warrior class" of Sweden. (krigarfamiljerna).
The Swedish army was, very early, doing psychological research. Main reason was to be able to correctly place every Swedish male in the right military position. When I did my service they had become surprisingly good at it. But they also did extensive research in leadership and behavioral science. They found what fit Swedish culture and mind.
The training method must be adapted to the culture. Russians expect more of screaming and threats to signal how bad they have behaved and it seems a big part of American culture too. This also has implications on deal making in business and how you negotiate and get to a contract signing.
I would suggest you go study management at University. It is basically just a psychology course run by economists but it does delve into these matter very deep.
@@swedmiroswedmiro1352 My experience is matched by other people as well, so I'm not making this up. There was nothing on the level of what you'd see in clips from US boot camps (or for that matter Russian basic training, but that goes without saying), but there was definitely some yelling and getting chewed out (though almost always collectively, very rarely directed at individuals), and there used to be even more of that back when my dad's generation did their service.
An example from my own service: during our first field week my squad was late arriving at our designated waypoint due to one guy having to walk at a slow pace from foot pain (which we had stupidly not reported earlier). This resulted in us getting chewed out in front of everyone else by one of the instructors, involving plenty of yelling, us being ordered to unpack/pack our backpacks repeatedly etc. Stuff like that was fairly common, and this was NOT in any kind of "elite" or demanding unit like these rangers.
Walk 50 min, rest 10 min (Drink coffee, take a Snus and change your socks).
Swedish standard 👍🏻
Sweden also: Once during weapons visitation I forgot to bring my Operating rod bolt with me going to the bathroom, I went back and it was gone. I started questioning my friends around me, they've seen nothing. I got wiser and went 2 flights up to the Captains Office. He was very upset about me loosing THE vital part of my weapon and then asked whom might've done such a thing. I said that I was the one responsible and therefore it was my fault. He opened a drawer on his office desk and handed me the piece of metal. "Right Answer, Let it not happen again" Enough Said. I thought three steps in front of everything I did after that.
To make a base with tents is part of basic army training. The first part of what these guys do is the same for all basic training. Army, Navy, Airforce and Homeguard recruit. As Rangers, they will sleep under moss in a bivi bag, sort of.
As someone who did my conscription in a far less demanding Swedish unit, there is so much I recognize. There seems to be a really strong philosophy regarding how to take a young civilian and turn them into a solider, regardless of whether they are a ranger or a common signalist.
I've seen the series before, and later on they definitely up the pressure in a way that most roles do not experience :)
I think it’s brilliant how they build them up, always loved how the military can tear away the civilian out of you and make you soldier/ranger
The tents used here are the large camp tents. They come in different sizes, for between 8 to 20 people and are typically used early in training when making a base camp for a whole platoon. They are heated with a stove. There are also smaller patrol tents and bivouacs, similar to those in the UK. You’ll have to remember that the environment Swedish soldiers operate in is a lot worse than in Britain. You’ll probably get an explanation later on in the series.
You have to remember the environment we live in. Its only hot a few months a year. 6 months a year its cold. Probably the reason we most often use tents (heated with stove). But we do have days in field when we have to survive without tent.
About the lack of screaming...
Screaming at people when they screw up just makes them hide their screwups better.
If you want everything to work when you need it, then you cant have people under you trying to avoid telling you bad news.
And there was nothing light about any of those talking to's. They will remember that.
I think too much screaming is wrong I do get how the swedes do it, and sometimes you don’t see everything on a show but I get how they do it and understand that the recruits are learning effectively
It wasn’t always like this. When I did my service in the 90’s there was a lot of shouting and screaming at the recruits. There is an old documentary on RUclips from the early 90’’s about Swedish coastal rangers (Kustjägarna). You’ll notice a big difference compared to now.
I did my military service in Sweden in the early 00s in a much less demanding unit than this and there were definitely instances of screaming and us getting loudly chewed out - almost always collectively, though, very rarely individually unless it was something like forgetting your weapon, which definitely would lead to you getting yelled at. Nothing at the level you'd see in US boot camps or the like, though.
I suspect the lack of yelling in this series is partly due to a conscious move even further away from that kind of training mindset, partly due to the fact that these people were all volunteers (this was made before we reintroduced conscription), partly because of the presence of cameras.
The tent is your base from which you start. You may have to be out in the field for several weeks at a time and the climate in Sweden and the circumstances regarding changing weather require that you know how to set up a camp in the best way regardless of the circumstances. If you don't know it when it's at its best, you won't be able to do it when it's worse. So it's just like learning to take your weapon apart and put it back together. Learn from scratch and then repeat. - Been there done that.
As you will see later on in this serie, they will not use the large tent again....
As a Singaporean, during my BMT a few years ago, we had a 6 day field camp and slept in tiny barsha tents that were simply made from 2 x 60cm poles and 2 x groundsheets (1 for the floor mat, 1 for the roofing). Each tent is only big enough for you and your buddy, and it is still very exposed to the elements. Only our commanders had the privilege of having a big proper tent like the one seen here. Also, it looks like Sweden has much nicer camp grounds compared to the Southeast Asian jungles we have over here.
Like you, I also had to dig a shellscrape and this was done at another ground zone away from our tents, and it was ATROCIOUS! It had rained heavily prior to the shellscrape digging and the entire jungle floor was just orange mud (literally), and everywhere you stepped, your boots sunk in ankle deep. Only during the shellscrape digging day were we made to sleep in our shellscrapes. Although we had set up latrine points, it was way too inconvenient and far to head over to the latrine points from our shellscrapes and at night, we had to maintain light discipline at all times and would get screamed at and punished by our commanders if they caught us using our flashlights. So, some of us would just get up and pee on a nearby tree instead.
1 fun fact about the Singapore Army is that whenever you had to answer the call of nature and pee on a tree, you must pay respects to the tree and apologise first. Not sure if other Southeast Asian militaries do this too but we were told to do it for superstitious reasons. It is common in asian folklore that Pontianaks and other kinds of scary spirits live in the forest jungles and sit high up on the trees, and they dont like it when their homes get "disrespected". Come to think of it, I always felt like I was being watched from a distance on the night I slept in my shellscrape 😂
On the last day of field camp, we had to do a situational assessment test (SIT test) whereby everyone was split into teams and had to take turns being the leader of their teams in small obstacles/challenges such as "defusing" an IED under a bridge (that was my challenge). Following that, we had to peer review each other's performance as a leader. The recruits that did well for the SIT test will be posted to Officer Cadet School (OCS) or Specialist Cadet School (SCS - the school for Sargeants and NCOs) to be trained as commanders after BMT.
In the end these people will be able to operate in climates down to -30c in groups behind enemy lines for up 30 days sleeping in individual pups, in snow shelters or in makeshift shelters. This kind of camp is for when you have pulled out and have downtime to recoup. I was in the artillery and we slept in tents like this all the time. It's quite cozy to get into a hot tent when it is -30 outside :)
Old rtillery guy here as well, and those telts, they are our version of the US container-built bases with electricity and stuff...
Change socks every short 50 or 60 marchingfacis to try and dry the socks and u reuse them and handclean them when possible. The swedish ranger train to as a unit of a batalion size opperate behind enemy lines upp to 30 days without resuply in the extreme sircustance. All training is for this purpuse.
Awesome reaction i like to hear about your pov and experience. Great. Cheers from Sweden
Wicked! Thank you. Really good to know you are enjoying the videos. 🤙🤙
Very different basic training to what I had in the British Army in the 80s 😂😂😂
Kul att se att orange påslakan är dom samma som för 45 år sedan när jag låg i lumpen
Sweden’s military doctrine is basically guerilla tactics or ”Make it too costly for an enemy to occupy”.
What we were taught is that when the shit hits the fan, it’s get out and live in the forrest. So you set up a basecamp with camouflaged tents deep in the woods and make excursions from that basecamp. When out on the excursions we generally slept in a sleepingbag under a poncho tied to a tree.
The basecamp should be protected with alarm mines etc and camouflaged guard posts and if you have enough personel, patrolling posts.
In norway we get ''Real field meal'' with loads of diffrent meals. asian curry, puller pork, pasta, chili con carne,chicken curry, salmon and pasta. you should look them up they are realy tasty. there is loads more than i wrote ^^,
in the winter it gets cold here so we need heat to survive!😆😆
The tent is just basic traning. To learn setting up a basecamp for a platoon. Not something rangers use in the battlefield
The basic traning is the same for all recruits. Learning setting up base and commanposts, disch benches simple fieldtoilets. Setting upp a defence perimeter with signal mines and claymores. Prepare foxholes and so so so
All about basic camp.
In real live ranger patrols they each have their ranger snugpak
Of course the title means “Soldier, where is your weapon?”. Because you must know at all times.
I have some vague recollection about Jaegers having small sorts of one or two man rollcake like tents..
I'd guess what they are using in this episode looks to be the standard army 12 or 20 man tents. I recall it as part of basic training and mainly used for, could one say.. regulars and scuttlebutt was some real lazy buggers yucked it up in luxury unimagined. ;)
Anyway we had this same type for our Mekbat. I assure you they where dreadfully comfy.
Only negative thing I truly recall of our many wonderful tent experiences was loosing my personal knife that I leant to the first fire watch fellow for purposes of cutting kindling, best to feed the thing with small stuff as I recall.. Anyway upon being awakened to take watch I found said blade stabbed into the glowing coals that had accumulated under the pipe stove. Oh I was so so very happy. That was a painful thing economically at that age £220 for my only personal piece of kit indulgence. Whoever did it assuredly didn't/doesn't even deserve to use the cheapest of Mora knives, ever! Devilish Knife molester! No one fessed up.
Anyway so now I am in the: My knife Never Camp!
Tent 12 and Tent 20 are 12 and 20 m2. They are not 12 and 20 man tents. You can fit 12 and 20 men in them but that is not what they names are about.
Sitting in your underwear in a warm dry tent is the best part you just need a good firewatch to keep the fireplace going properly.
I have sat in my underwear because it's so warm in the tent when it's -34C outside. Honestly it's easier to get a warm tent in the winter as you can use snow to block cold air from coming in around the sides. Since we had vehicles we took an old garage exhaust hose with us and used it to get cold air directly into the fireplace from the outside, this means there's much less cold draft air into the tent.
Such a difference wathing these videos now that you have subs.
first week in field.......lolololol
Great video
@Combat Ready HQ The reason this regiment is placed where it is traces back to to the 19th century. It was deliberately placed so that Russia couldn't reach it directly with a seaborne invasion, but also on the main rail lines so in the case of an attack, it could reach Stockholm within a day.
Edit: Also the tents are because when you're up north a ditch and a fawning will not keep you alive.
pfft should seen my struggles putting my socks on this morning!
It’s weird to me how when your there, so many thoughts cross your mind like what the hell I get into here !! This is where I’m about to die, on and on. Then it’s over and years later I look back on how it was in my case and without doubt, best decision I’ve ever mad. Even after I hung it up the jobs I had was only because that foundation of being in the military. it’s comical looking back at some of those thoughts and feelings during that moment
I was in my personal opinion very magnanimous when I let my Lieutenant live upon him attempting to abscond with my Jessica, for his nefarious plan to sell her to a US collector and his hired smuggler. They where supposedly seen breaching Swedish airspace in a Correllian combination Light Freighter Gunship.
in my time you would get jail a week if you lost your weapon 🤣🤣
Pice of Cake do it in summer ⛱️ Like hollyday camping tripp In Forrest it was to do.. 19:39 .winter time in Boden was Real hell to do. mounting tracking Ski dig Snow Shelter in the -80
A poncho and 550 cord. Stand to at 0430 minimum
I did my service in the navy so my training in the bush was minimal, im thinking maybee they train with the tents all year coz half the year in sweden its winter and i think having a good training on putting up the tent will make winter go better?
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Imo the commanders are way more chill because everything is filmed. Did my military time there and they screamed and shouted way more (especially if we F:ed up)
No they don't.
What unit did you do your conscription at and what year? This is actually how we do it. Filming or not. I guess you had some ass as a training officer. A disgrace really and a cadre of the past.
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Is this summer camp or basic training? They need to stress them more, talking to them like they are children does not prepare them for the chaos that awaits. Stripping down to your skivvies is the dumbest thing you can do in a potential combat zone. They need to train with either the Brits the Americans cause I can't see this being effective.
Your clothes will be wet if you been in a swedish forest almost every season. The tent allow them to dry clothes and maintain combat value compared to becoming cassualties due to exposure.
actully this is the swedish doctrine. We have learned that yelling is a really bad way of teaching. You only yell when in combat. The stress thing is useless when you teach people for the first time. You thing its a coincidence the officers do when they are educating them?
You cant fight wet, they do it to keep the combat value high. If they get wet and get hypothermia you die or may get trenchfoot.
well we have alot of british and american come to Sweden and to learn how to actully do the artic/winter course.
So wouldnt talk down on the Swedes, its a big mistake
Ahh, another expert. How many are there out there???
The Rangers beat delta Force in exercise, so it works. (Conscripts vs professionell soldiers). They havent really added the tactical element yet.
@@Coole-ee1vg maybe he have watched to many movies