Gibson Blues: Scammed By A Guy From Montreal
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2017
- I can't believe I didn't spot it sooner. But when I began really looking at it, it was so obvious. Lesson. Look very closely at the guitars you buy used. Don't meet up in public ever. Only ever make deals when you can plug it in and try it. Never ever ever, I repeat EVER, meet up in public to buy a guitar. Ever. It's the best way to get scammed.
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No disrespect, but what is this..the 3rd time your buddy Rich has been scammed? Scamcaster? Broken-neck Les Paul? I feel bad for the guy, but you HAVE to be diligent when inspecting used guitars. You should be by his side from now on when he's looking at used guitars. Ouch.
Yes, but he's been through dozens and dozens and dozens of guitars. I'd have probably been taken myself having looked at this guitar. It was playing passably well enough to pass a quick trade inspection. I played it for over an hour before any of these repairs, and my only concern at that point was the bridge kissing the body. I was more worried it had run out of room for adjustment than anything. This was one of those things, that I had to work my way backward through. I'm certain 7/10 people would have walked away with this guitar in trade and been none the wise of it's condition.
Well he definitely needs a buddy who knows what hes doing to come along with him from now on. Jesus
James O'Connor why not just buy new and avoid the higher costs after?
Guitar Man A lot of people(myself included)can't afford to buy high end guitars "new".
deathmarkcomicsinc fair enough. Although spending just as much or more on a used guitar is worse in my view.
Well at least the snapped off headstock confirms it's a genuine Gibson.
That's exactly what I thought too. I was watching this thinking this was all done from the factory thinking it was probably a chibson.
Bwahahahaha..!!
Apparently they sound better after a broken headstock repair, that’s what Kirk Hammet says.
So gibson
I've heard Gibsons really start to open up after the second neck break. Half way there!
That's hilarious.
Kley De Jong you bitch!
lollolol
Its funny cuz its true. xD Gibson is the worlds Yule Log
My 91 Studio has had her headstock/neck broken TWICE, but the girl just can't be killed.
Chris Butterworth at Sam Ash Ontario put in two small mahogany stabilizing bars, and she sets up and plays perfectly.
Every little problem he finds on any guitar is like the end of the world and and every one else is an idiot to this guy yet it takes him days to spot all the problems on instruments. I got 5 words for ya...Dave's world of fun stuff!
LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂
Tye Cook you're spot on with that one buddy! I've been watching Dave for years, he is the shit. I think this guy here is influenced by Dave, they're also both Canadian but this guy makes the smallest problems that are super easy to fix and acts like they're such a huge deal lol. If he finds any problems at all with an instrument he acts like he got scammed lol. News flash: you're never gonna buy a guitar that's absolutely perfect. Stop bitching and just fix the shit! Its not like you're having to refret the damn thing!
I would NEVER let this guy work on my guitars!
But if he didn't find all of these problems he wouldn't have an excuse to drop 90 F bombs into the dialogue. :/
@@FuelTankerMan true...and all the exasperated heavy sighs...
Just providing an update to all this: I sent the guy an email and a link to this video. He said he's willing to take it back and offer me another Midtown Custom or an equivalent trade. Kinda restores my faith in others for trades... 😊
Good to hear that Richard. Nobody brought up the possibility that maybe the seller himself didn't know either. I was just curious, did he seem surprised at all?
That's good of him. Get it boxed up and double check the replacement.
Indeed. I once checked out an acoustic guitar, there was a crack in the back of the neck joint, only visible from certain angle in the light. I could tell the seller was inexperienced and unaware. Already asked and confirmed he wasn't the first owner of the guitar. Didn't want to embarrass him so sort of let him down gently.. "Ah..I think I'll leave it actually" and tilted the guitar in his direction so he would clock the split. Thanked him but no more words were spoken really. Glanced back as I was walking off and he was inspecting the neck closely, by the time I was home he'd updated his ad to reflect the damage.
See that is what we call being tactful and it's something we could use more of
@Richard - Of course the seller will take back the guitar now that a proper setup is possible.
For a guy who fixes guitars, you sure get your knickers in a twist when you come across a guitar that needs repairs. And the first thing you should check on a Gibson is for a head stock repair. The fact that it took you weeks to find the problem with the nut and headstock doesn't play well in your favour as a Luthier. You won't be working on any guitars I own.
Hahaha! So truth!
Hope you don't get hold of anything I own! I am an amature Luther myself and would quit playing altogether before I dealt with anyone with as many sticks up the behind as you obviously have.
@@jeffhammers5677 hahaha
The slot hasn’t been deepened. That’s how Gibson nut slots are. They usually don’t look like that, because the finish is sprayed over the nut.
I wouldn't let this guy work on any guitar I own
SAME!
He shouldn't be working on other people's instruments let alone having a "show" on YT. Watching this guy work on guitars reminds me of watching a family of ducks crossing a busy freeway. If this were satire then it would actually be brilliant
he's an enthusiastic "if a tad over dramatic" amateur tinkerer, nothing more, nothing less
@@inspectorcal An enthusiastic sigher and OMG user as well.
Not even a Wirst Act guitar from the thrift store?
That nut slot is normal depth, they just paint lacquer over it now, to make it look level with the binding line.
One of the first things I check on a Gibson is for a broken neck. This would be fairly common on mahogany neck Gibson. A broken neck would be priced about half the price of a non-broken neck Gibson.
The neck relief is the second thing I look for. You should be able to check it without a straightedge or a gauge set. A neck relief set and bridge adjustment is one of the easiest and most basic setup for a guitar tech.
Dude it took you 3 weeks to work out that the guitar had a broken neck??? WOW!!!
I think your wrong. I was a Luther at a shop for 10 years. I'd never seen someone cut into wood instead of filing plastic. However I have seen Gibson's with that same nut cut. I'd guess Gibson is doing it.
How many turns of the truss rod was that in one sitting?! Especially seeing that it has had a dodgy neck repair and with the amount of setting up back-and-forth adjustments you've already done, I'm surprised it didn't break again.
At the point the neck break was found, would return to the owner and demand my gear back
Yup.
so after all of that, the only repair you really did was add the shim to raise the nut height little bit since you didn't do any upgrades?
Question? What can you do if the finish is crackled around the corner of the nut w/small spiderweb cracks on either side of the nut alongside the neck about 1/4"? Any ideas to keep them from going further the neck is ok it's on a Epi LP i've seen on other band new Epi's a few times. Thx man.
First World problems..... at 12 seconds in you say "It feels OK to play, it sounds great." Count your blessings, man.
Would a 'black light' have shown up the neck-break repair before any further physical investigation.
How could you have spotted this @ 1st inspection? String Action @ 1st fret w/neck straightened?
Why is the neck pickup the other way round? Was it originally a bridge pickup?
Hey everyone.. Just read through the initial comments. Just a couple things instead of saying the same thing several times.
In Richard's defence, he trades and buys and sells a heap ton. He's not "RICH" in any sense of the word. He had just gotten to a point where he has had enough gear to keep a revolving door of trades going. You win some, you loose some. This time he got burned.
Also in his defence, I'd probably have overlooked that break myself. I'd be down the road 2 weeks in the same place if I'd gotten it myself. Like I said, it did play passable when he got it. The clues came slowly to me as I began to check measurements, and only then did I finally find it myself. I'd have gotten taken on this for sure!! You might too, which is why I post this for your sake. What to look out for. Learn from US:-)
Woodeso's Guitar Mods Hi, did you buy it from reverb. Com?
I knew the neck was broke in the first 30 seconds of the video
Will burhrrr.... You're right, i meant 30 of seeing the obviously fucked up paint on the headstock and neck which this guy didnt show untill about 3 and a half minutes into the vidio
Over There - the first thing to look for in a Gibson is the headstock break, and the daoed nut slot was a dead giveaway that it was not a simple nut replacement. The refinish flaws were also apparent. The lowered bridge is a dead giveaway that the headstock should be checked. Mahogany is a diffuse porous wood, and there is a short grain problem right at the truss rod cover. I suspected it as soon as I saw the lowered bridge, which was a Nashville style, and it should never be that low, as the strings would be right on the frets. As soon as I saw the dadoed nut, it was an obvious hack job, done by somebody who didn't have nut files.
Woodeso's Guitar Mods he should find a new trade.....by trade i dont mean another guitar
Question do you do set ups? I have a Guitar need the action lowered and perhaps a neck adjustment. Can I ship to you for that and of course pay you for your service.
Morrisman Smith did he ever respond?
How could you trade for a Gibson without PAINSTAKINGLY inspecting the neck? Christ if you fart too hard near most Gibson's the headstock separates! They are great guitars... but how... after all these freaking trades can he not look for the one major weak point? I hope your buddy actually thinks about this scam this time... he seems cool enough. But he is way too star struck by guitars! Look before you leap.
I would hazard a guess and say this Rich guy turns into some kind of gibbering, hand trembling wreck at the thought of getting another guitar due to chronic GAS that all common sense goes out the window. An easy target for a con artist to exploit.
Take a look at the end of the video... The owner gives it a shot, and you can easily figure out why he got scammed... He can't even plays correctly, and maybe don't know much about what to look at on a guitar in way to find glitches. He is obviously a novice, and I'm wondering why he want to buy a $2000 guitar, when, in fact, a $500 Epiphone would do the job perfectly.
Agreed. Gibson's are infamous for broken necks at the head stock neck joint. One of the first things I look at any Gibson style guitar. Any trace of paint repair in 'that' area, and I won't touch the guitar. Instant deal breaker. Damaged goods. Extremely reduced price. Period.
This guys a knob
That's the first thing to look for. I thought he spotted it when he noticed the nut had been dadoed. I could see the repairs, even with the low video quality. He said he does the repairs for free. Now you know why. The 'customer' bought repair parts for nothing.
This guy would never touch my guitars! He works on a lot of guitars yet doesn't see/look for any of the issues until he "stumbles" across them!
Indeed. How didn’t he notice the nut until 2 weeks later? It should be one of the first things you look at.
Never buy a guitar with solid paint at the back, unless it's brand new from the store and is not Gibson.
Nut cut too deep? Fill the slot with a mixture of super glue and sodium bicarbonate. Allow to dry and recut. No need whatsoever to replace the nut unless you are a cork sniffer.
Too much neck relief? A simple truss rod adjustment.
Great video. Thank you for making those mistakes and bearing that brunt so that we can learn from it, and make better purchasing decisions.
Yes it always helps to see another noob making mistakes to ones you are likely to make.
what difference does it make as long as it PLAYS like you said?
"You can tell there has been some dodgy repair here". Yup, watching it in real time!
Can I ask about the frets ? Your rocker showed a lot . What did you do about this problem ???
Why not finish with the upgrades? Just about every Gibson breaks a neck sooner or later. They can be repaired. It's a battle scar and you move on. I don't understand this attitude of "Oh my! It's ruined!!"
Absolutely right. The headstock break was repaired OK, it's just the finish that was substandard
This particular guitar/video aside, for every guitar ever fixed by any tech anywhere, sooner or later there will be another tech looking at the repair and calling it 'horseshit'. It's the circle of tech-dom.
Yep, own a high-end, limited edition Les Paul and it fell forward off a guitar stand, landed on the head stock and "SNAP!" I took it to a luthier who repaired it so well it's nearly undetectable and it plays like new, but it will no longer be the collector's guitar I had invested over 3k, but I've been playing 40 years and it's the first time this ever happened. I was told the neck break took half the value off the guitar, even though it's nearly impossible to detect. The experience still left me bummed. I wish Gibson would volute their necks or do something, but it is what it is. Still, a broken and "properly repaired" Gibson head stock is still a fine player guitar.
I still would have put that new nut and tuners on the guitar. The neck may have been broken at some point, but it was repaired. That shouldn't mean you can't upgrade the parts. Unless the customer wanted to save them for a nicer guitar of course.
5:07 I think Gibson makes some of their nut slots like that. I have a 2005 1961 Sg re-issue and the nut slot is exactly like that.
Does more pixxing and moaning than fixing. Needs to clean up his act and move the pacing along. Waaaay too slow.
The slot wasn't deepened, gibson usually finishes over the bottom of the nut making it difficult to replace their cheesy plastic nuts without damaging the finish on the neck.
yeah and they probably charge 75$ for the nut...Damn good plastic...
I saw more of his neck than the guitar neck
so what was the final verdict? is he going to hang on to that or get his tele back?
The nut slot, from what I can catch on the vid, looks like a normal Gibson install. The scraping of the binding to expose the binding does not scrape to the depth of the nut slot. However, you are correct that the nut was replaced. Gibson on newer guitars also epoxy the corian nut... not desirable for changing nuts.
Looks like the neck tilt is installed a little "off".
The setup issue with that guitar has nothing to do with the broken headstock. That looks like a fine headstock repair. Still should have been disclosed, but it's not as big of an issue as you are making it out to be. I'm not sure why your friend would trade a Deluxe Tele plus "other shit" for a Midtown anyway, though. It's a fine guitar but not an expensive model at all.
The nut may be too low, but you do realize that Gibson sets their nuts in below the binding and then put finish over it to make it look like it’s the same depth as the binding but in reality the bottom of the nut is well below the binding. The depth in the video looks pretty standard for Gibson. Just some information, do with it what you please.
You made it sound like the end of the world. I own a Midtown. When I saw the setup I thought, straighten the neck raise the bridge. Ok the nut slot was too deep and there was a repair made to the neck that was questionable, It needed a shim, not something to freak out over. It was a bad trade, lesson learned. The repair was not that hard. A shim. No, The guitar is not worth what he thought but it's a player, that's what we buy them for. At least it's not a Chibson.
So after all that, is the bridge still bottomed out?
60 seconds into this video and half the people here already know they’d never let you touch their gear.
nobody appears to see that the neck pickup is changed 180 degrees?? of do they do that with some models???
Mine was the same... and when you lean your arm on it it'll change pitch it's like you are bending the guitar neck against the body.....
Why is he counting frets? They're all marked. I hear a lot of whining, but not too much working. Put a shim under that nut and finish the ends. Do it.
Was that a piece of trex handrail you use to knock nuts loose.
So you make all these claims but a turn of the truss rod fixes everything? Sounds like the neck was not broke, the nut was not cut deep and it just need a truss rod adjustment!!
Did you miss the part where he shimmed the nut slot?
Yeah I missed that. The guys videos are hard to follow, just a lot of bitching and drama and way to long.
perfectly said.
I thought the same thing with the drama. Making a big deal about turning the truss rod. I would have shaped a beautiful new bone nut with no shim involved. A perfect frett level and good to go.
The guy cut the nut slot because he didn't have nut files. Easiest thing to do, when you don't know what you're doing.
I love that you use crimson guitar tools!
That headstock design and angle is just historically terrible. I’ve never bought a Gibson and never will.
Interesting.
Funny to hear the family dinner in the background.
Hey, I just want to say a few things. First I let this repair be filmed because if it can help someone else then that's great. Second, I've likely traded over 120 guitars last year and a half. 2 bad apples isn't too bad... Biggest issue here is that I was too eager (I really wanted another Midtown or ES style guitar) and met the guy in a garage where the lighting wasn't so good. My mistake. He is of course a total douche who won't return an email response. That's life, live and learn. No I'm not a wealthy guy. I've got three kids, two of them in diapers. There was a time when I had 8-9 guitars and three in rotation on trades all the time but right now I've got no time for that. Honestly, today I only own 2 electrics (the ml3, this one) and one Martin acoustic (gift from my wife) I'll never trade. I enjoyed the run while it lasted... It's been fun doing all those videos with Nelson and trying new stuff. Every now and then BS like this eventually happens. I may keep it... She still rocks hard and I might fix it up more and make it my own. Or I'll sell / trade it with a disclaimer. Not sure yet. 😈 Part of me wants to post the guy name, email and phone number of the guy who ripped me off but that would be bad karma and I know someone might break his legs... So it's best to let it go I think. If he won't trade back, that's how she goes... It's his dishonour. Best I can do is try to help someone out and pass on the experience. I hope he never crosses my path again. Ha! 😁😡😉
Richard sorry you got burned again buddy. If this guy will not respond to you in a reasonable time frame, I would certainly post his name and guitar crime wherever the deal was done. You do not need to give his email or phone # but at least a name so other people do not get the same raw deal.
Post the guys name and if you see a post from him in the future if possible post something on it or if it's Craig's list post a add calling him out. Something like "Hey the guy selling red Strat sold me blank and this was the results." I know when you want something you get stoked and it's easy to over look things. Everyone go's threw it at one time or another.That's why sometimes it's good to take a buddy because He's not looking at it threw excited eyes. Ya know? You could always have the guy trading meet you at a guitar repair shop and give the guy working there a few bucks to look it over like a mechanic would with a car. If the guy dosen't want to maybe he is trying to be shady and it's best to shy away from him. Good luck in future trades.
"I've likely traded over 120 guitars last year and a half."
Good God, man.....
This is the 3rd time isn't it?
All I gotta say is:
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, well then I'm just a fool.
Richard - Thanks for speaking up. Sorry about all of our harsh comments, but, when I buy a guitar, it's like I'm buying a car - I'm gonna take a real good look. I respect your opinions on the whole 'escapade' and appreciate you/Nelson helping everyone to be 'aware'. Thanks for your decency and the best of luck to you and yours. Cheers, Mike
So, needs a new nut and full set-up....maybe the whole guitar-tech thing isn't for you if this causes you so much distress.
I agree. He needs to relax
Lolllll well put . I’m like damn, he’s calling them “retard “ ,”fuckin idiot”, and saying “it’s way worse than I thought .....”
Minor fixable/adjustable shit
😴
Btw the neck puck-up is on backwards with the polepieces pointing the wrong way
this is amazing
It's also a left handed guitar strung back to front. This guy is super-unobservant!
You mean "WAS" on backwards? Because I just checked some pictures, polepieces look fine to me after he turns the neck pickup around.
Wouldn't a lefty guitar end up with tone/volume knobs and switches on its upper side, after turning it around?
OMG.. not you too...
Easiest way to see if you're being scammed (if the guitar is possibly fake or a different model than advertised) is to make sure you either have data or wifi, and just use a serial number checker online to see what the logs bring in.
2 weeks later realizes nut slot too deep... 4 weeks later realizes headstock was completely sheared off... Ehh boy...
The nut wasn't wide enough, had some play. This sucks! I'm glad you post this, easily you could have not let Richard look bad but this is reality. This crap happens all the time.
You may need to start taking meds for anxiety and stress if you got this worked up. Especially with a Gibson. Expecting quality from Gibson products is already cause for meds .
What Happened with the fret level ?
I always enjoy guitar repair videos, and I especially appreciate that you pointed out the evidence of modifications/repairs to this guitar. One constructive suggestion - the video would have been better with a little less swearing and a little more explanation of your decisions (and changes to those decisions) about how to approach the repairs/upgrade and/or what would have convinced you to go forward with your original plans. I lost the thread of your decision making when you decided to reinstall the original nut. Looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Jesus, dude. Spazzing out about a warped neck before you've even tried the truss rod.
You just need to adjust the truss rod.
I don't think they deepened the nut slot. Gibson lacquers over the bottom of the nut. You just don't see the bottom of a nut on a Gibson, until the nut is changed. When changing the nut the lacquer needs to be scored around it.
From Montreal here, I JUST bought a used 1990 jazzmaster japan for under what it should go for because of minor issues. I fixed in about 5 minutes... so it sometimes goes the other way too. Sucks he got scammed again... Live and learn
When is that guy going to learn, and stop making bad trades? Does he not know how to look for this stuff? Maybe Richard shouldn't be trading guitars. No disrespect, but he's made way too many dodgy trades.
Plenty of morons around who think they are experts. This won't be the last time this Richard guy pays more for a used guitar than it's worth.
If you do enough of anything, you're bound to get burned now and again.
Action bad = Check bridge, check neck, check nut. How the F does it take 2 weeks to spot (what you think is) a badly replaced nut (it wasn't, this guitar comes with a nut like that)
Cool video. The only guitars I've bought from individuals on eBay are used Steinbergers. Darned near impossible to screw up a Steinberger neck.
Maybe your buddy needs to stop trading guitar's on his own because he's already been burned on that Strat now this.
LOL why did you oil a richlite fretboard?
Looks better shiny!
This is a Chibson my friend. There's a certain seller that sells these if you can find 'em. I owned a real Midtown and that ain't one.
Stop with the foul language... No need for it...it's not the end of the world!!
yes - I could settle for a few bleeps... but I can't listen to this
So , wait; You do this for a living ,and you actually POSTED this? And you didn't disable the comments? In my area,there is a chronic shortage of grocery cashiers -
very smart of ya to not touch that guit another inch after you realized the next was a fixer. this dude needs a refund
No disrespect mate but how was that not seen on a first inspection by the buyer??
Neck p-up is in backwards too, is it not?
I like the idea of your videos and I also really appreciate the intent. I've watched several at this point and I just need to say that in my opinion you really need to work on your delivery. I have to stop watching because the constant whining, moaning, and sighing is just too much.
After seeing this video and the white Strat video my knees are shaking & knocking together.
Was the slot deepened?
Yep, the previous guy could have just pin knocked the original nut that was epoxied in the slot, the result is easily a neck break.
Your first video about that scamcaster was annoying.. I spotted the AliExpress/China copycat logo's directly from the start... You could see within seconds that this was a fake copy from china.. In the end you say you overlooked the 'series number' instead of 'serial number'. If thats the only way for you to spot a fake you got a lot to learn my friend..
THIS TWEEKER NEEDS TO GIVE UP ON G TECH
It's amazing how knowledgeable you can sound while speaking as if shite was your native language!!
They invented English for a reason. So that everything could be easily understood!!
davidoffon1 Fuck is my native language
A truss rod adjust?
the neck break was obvious from the minute you showed the back of the neck
I sure miss these videos.
People need a gauge to know if the action is "good" or "bad"?
(before watching video)
Oh no...no no no. Not again...
(watches video)
Well, that wasn't too bad. Not nearly as bad as I was expecting.
you say to "pinch" the 15th fret and check at the ninth but earlier in the video you pinched the last fret and checked the 7th... just saying.
"LIKE it feels OK to play.. " "LIKE it's not hard to play at all..." "LIKE and it looks bowed..." "So LIKE the neck...." "LIKE look at that..." "That's LIKE that purple color..."
LIKE, really? Are you 15?
Why is it that your always getting fake guitars? And another thing: that video of that white Strat you said was fake and you said the clue you missed was the serial number, well that was a real fender neck. Check the serial number on their site. But since you turned off the comments section on that vid no one could tell you otherwise.
Damn usually Canadians are really nice
That's what the guitar looks like when you replace the nut. The nut looks smaller because there's paint over the binding and nut. If that's a Nashville tune o matic, I think that might be the problem. ABR-1 maybe?
Why would you put a shim in the nut?? That's a bad solution. You should've made a custom nut to fit it. You were just being lazy hoping to put a cheap nut replacement?
Finding a recent production Gibson with perfect frets-neck action? Good luck! It took me 50+ Gibsons(and a couple of years) to try, before I found one that really has "it". I do not meet in public, but a music shop will scam you as much as anyone else. On the net all dealers are buyers if it comes to it.I am a bit puzzled how you can buy a guitar without checking truss rod action, straight neck, pickups, tone, intonation,etc...? I once asked (in a famous vintage shop) to have the pickups checked. Turns out they were replica's! Not me brother, not me...
It’s a Gibson, of course the neck has been broken... they should just do it at the factory and get it over with. On the good side, once they break they usually don’t break again.
Why didn't you just look down the neck,instead of getting the feeler gauges out ?
An ultraviolet light will pick up any refinish or a neck break that's been refinished saves lots of time
I bought my Gibson SG 2016 brand new. I had to return it because of bad cutaway work, it was all uneven and looked terrible. Returned it and got my money back. Then I went on bought another, the one I use now. It's great. Even brand new guitars can be faulty. If anyone buys a new one that is bad you should get your money back.
GIBSON suggests not tightening tuning post nuts beyond hand tight to avoid cracking the paint/veneer on the crown.....jus' sayin'......