I just heard from a viewer in Colorado who also found his box could not decrypt channels without an Internet connection. What a continued mess this is turning out to be. ruclips.net/video/qezFdJ3zEAA/видео.html
Thanks for various tests and updates , including the link to the Denver area user's video. I can easily understand the printed Quick Start Guide be incorrect/out-of-date, but your CT area tests and the Denver area tester indicate real problems. I'm considering buying the $60 GT-media USB tuner just to try out the unencrypted NYC station(s?). Start with Android on Windows 11. If that combo doesn't work, blow another $20 and get the Walmart ONN android box...
The zinwell device has only been out for about a month. It's not uncommon for just released products to still need some more work. Combine that with the fact that atsc 3.0 is generally only being used by early adopters with high end TVs. I'd say it is too soon to call it a mess given how short the product has been available and how few people are using atsc 3.0. This experience is what early adopters often experience, and it is how stuff gets fixed before it goes to the masses. Now, if someone is just against drm in general, it's easy to be motivated to see it all as a mess. All of the streaming services use the same widevine drm, and they have it all sorted out for using on most any device. I'd say fairness requires giving more time to let the issues be sorted out.
@@reticularimus They've had years to get this right. There is no plan and it's already making OTA television watching onerous on consumers. It's only going to get worse as the transition continues.
@@LonSeidman Fair enough. Given that broadcast networks in general (and over-the-air distribution in particular) have less interested consumers than ever, the broadcast industry might not have the incentive to move as fast as they otherwise would if over-the-air distribution was still the primary delivery mechanism, or if 1.0 simulcasts weren't sill being broadcast, or if there was robust consumer demand for atsc 3.0. The drm system for astc 3.0 is much more akin to blu-ray drm than original dvd drm. Any modern drm system will have a renewable component, not a single embedded key like dvd had. If a system is to be renewable, it must have access to two-way communication. Any modern device will require firmware updates, which again is most efficiently done using two-way communication. The de facto means for two-way communication is the internet. It might be unreasonable to expect any modern embedded device to never use the internet for this communication. If the zinwell device can mostly work with only the occasional need for this two-way communication, that would be the unusual case. And It is certainly less onerous than always requiring an internet connection.
I have a ZapperBox and most ATSC-3 channels are accessible, however, WCBS-NY, CBS-Hartford (WFSB), and WNBC-NY are still encrypted. I checked the menu and decryption is grayed-out for these channels. I had heard that there was a SW update via WiFi (I’m connected), but it it’s still not working after repeated SW updates.
Hey Lon, fellow Connecticutter here. My Zapperbox behaves the same way as your Zinwell decoder. While I’m in the NYC DMA, being in Stratford, I also receive the Hartford New Haven stations on my outdoor antenna similar to you. I’m very glad that you’re honestly reporting your results on what’s turning out to be a sloppily and hastily-conceived plan by the broadcasters to protect their $2.5B+ retransmission fees while robbing the television-viewing public of their rights to the airwaves. I have no objection to the billionaires making money on their privately transmitted streaming services, but when they try to hold our airwaves hostage with DRM, then they get my dander up. I hope that you continue to get both the attention of the public and the manufacturers and broadcasters through your RUclips content. Have you heard anything from the engineers at the Gray or Nexstar groups?
Good for you Lon. Hopefully channel master will come back with a fix for both the quick start guide and the connect ability asap. Thanks for sticking by your review!!
So, this confirms that stations could make changes to always require an internet connection. What assurances do we have that stations must support these offline boxes?
Thanks for the fair and balanced update. This is too expensive for a single TV tuner with no recording capabilities. Channel Master was once a great company with cutting edge tech but not anymore.
If my Next gen channels decide to encrypt in a year or two and it doesn't work are they going to replace it or tell me "it's out of warranty"? I'm betting on the latter.
@@McGregorMX I'd hope you're right but this is starting to look like many other standards that aren't being followed properly or just aren't laid out properly.
Thanks for the fast update, Lon. Your honesty and transparency combined with the wide scope of the types of products you review is what makes your channel first rate! This ATSC 3.0/Nexr Gen TV rollout with DRM is a first class clusterf*ck!😱🤬The box manufacturers and primarily the briadcasters could screw up a cheese sandwich!!💩🤬 I'd just like for the industry to be able to come up with a FULLY functional, stand alone (no internet) box that could 1. decrypt DRM 2. have DVR capability (SD card, flash drive, hard drive??) 3. have a channel guide (24 hr minimum) 4. have ad skipping (or maximum 15 sec ad before skip) 5. have ability to do OTA updates similar to smartphones. The industry needs to get their sh*t 💩 together! Broadcasters still have a requirement "to serve the public". Thanks to Lon and Tyler "The Antenna Man" for their hard work regarding ATSC 3.0 👍👍
I'd love to see a video where you get some people from local stations and working on pushing the standard itself on for an interview. Im in CT and WFSB and WTNH needing network activation makes buying one of these devices a non-starter for me.
@@LonSeidmanit really feels like they are trying to just kill OTA by making this less convenient than streaming where they can collect viewership stats. Why deal with getting the signal over the air if you're already putting the device online, and I think they're counting on consumers asking that same question.
It sounds like ATSC 3 DRM might be using something similar to Google Winevine's certification levels... In Widevine, L1 certification (hardware decoding/most secure) can play anything while L3 certification (software decoding/least secure) is generally restricted to lower quality video.
I have this box and am in the Tampa area. I see this same notice on my box from time to time. All I do is go back to the guide and select the same next gen channel and is works fine without an internet connection.
Thanks, Lon, for keeping on this. I'm sad that my HDHR tuner doesn't work, and I'd really love to get a tuner that just works, and without needing an internet connection. I have filed comments with the FCC, and do keep up the good fight!
@BrunodeSouzaLino I don't think it's the licensing fee, that is a one time cost, DRM is to keep the advertising dollars coming in, the broadcasters don't want you to have the ability to skip commercials, it lowers the price they can charge for commercial time, and at the time millions are dropping cable and they are losing retransmission fee, they need advertising dollars to stay in business.
What and who would count towards retransmission? If these boxes can decode to HDMI capture, it's clearly not difficult to work with that signal and do something with it.
@igeekone the problem is, cable tv is dying, everytime someone drops cable, the broadcasters lose a retransmission fee, some customers they lose go with a live streaming service that have local station and still pay the retransmission fee's, but many dont. On a Facebook group that deals with antennas, there are a few posting on there that they could not get ota stations, or was missing some networks until atsc 3.0 was being broadcasted, so it didn't make it as hard as possible for them, it made it possible, if they ever get all the tv manufacturers to buy in, it should be plug and play.
I grew up in rural WV, and antenna signal is hard enough to come by there, let alone an internet connection. Many people I know there likely won’t ever have the ability to have an internet connection. They are the few, but they rely on antennas arguably more than anybody.
You said that the DRM was poorly planned. This means you are assuming that the mess is not intentional. It could all be part of their very clever plan.
Actually what it's all about is to put an end to locast clones which is completely stupid because it already defeated itself by just plugging it into a regular capture card to record the video even if it had the HDCP enabled you can still get around that, all this ignore is making a bigger mess for everyone in the long run now we'll have to go back to doing things like we used to do with cable and satellite receivers, But unfortunately I think the days OTA is going to die anyway as more and more people are just going online and using free streaming services so all this local broadcasters and large media companies that own them are just ****** themselves over.
I doubt this was intentional by the regulators that have control of these rules. They are just clueless and trying to appease corporations while at the same time implementing some set of consumer protections that their job entails. However on the broadcaster's side, yeah most likely intentional chaos and giving regulators false information that they can't just use an open signal because "so and so bad thing will happen". Main issue is regulators generally aren't educated in the technologies they oversee and they feel obligated to listen to the industry. Consumer lawyers should be guiding these rules, not the broadcasters.
The fact that they are likely to fix two stations in CT and then declare "No Problemo" is exactly what the rest of us fear. Every time some new engineer reconfigures something wrong there is going to be no mechanism to get the station to fix things. They clearly need some government regulator to force every station to test/support their deployment every time consumers get blocked by DRM. They don't want to do this because it's expensive, but some financial burden needs to be placed on DRM deployment to reflect the public interest. Cable companies understood this cost in the CableCARD days, and ultimately managed to deploy a pretty stable solution. The broadcasters that see ATSC 3 DRM as "cheap and easy" need to realize that's an example of industry over hype.
You are always 100 percent transparent on your channel and why I enjoy your content. The Channel Master response that they "tested it in multiple markets" is weak sauce. It is obvious that you had issues with the device right out of the box with DRM.
DRM (Lock Out) may also depend on the DRM TV Station you are watching. Each DRM TV Station can have it's own DRM rules because the FCC is letting TV Stations experiment at this time.
I wonder what gonna happen when some people who DONT have an internet jack close to their TVs? I live in an appt and the only hard wire is in another area not close to the TV. They should allow wireless for that.
What I don't understand is how this DRM is even allowed by the FCC in light of the requirements to broadcasters to provide EAS tests and alerts. You can't have alerts going out to the general public if people decide to not watch *at all* due to DRM hassle.
Like I got this error when trying to access the “App” later when connected to the internet. “Unable to decrypt Error Code 105: Unable to Decrypt - Not Authorized This device is not authorized to receive this channel.”
I have such fond memories of the good ol' days when you could buy a TV, plug it in, and just watch TV. I remember one time...oops, gotta go. I have to reboot the refrigerator, I don't think the software update went well. Hope the fridge OS doesn't have a virus again.
You can still do that, I hope you still have fond memories of it, the reason atsc 1.0 is not allowed to shut down is because atsc 3.0 is not yet plug and play, the sky is not falling.
@l-Joseph123 Yeah, was just poking fun at the mess ATSC 3.0 (and some technology in general) has turned into. I'm perfectly happy w/ATSC 1.0 for as long as it's supported, which will be quite some time. Maybe by the time I need to replace a TV, it will be sorted out. But I sure wouldn't want to be an early adopter with ATSC 3.0.
I'm a new subscriber. Thanks for your reviews. I'm following ATSC 3.0 and eventually will get the equipment I need to view it. Your reviews guide me. Thanks again.
Makes me wonder how this encryption actually works. Maybe the DRM works like website security certificates, where there is a Root CA that is stored in your web browser. So the tuner box ships out with a few root CA's, and maybe those TV stations don't use the correct root cert causing this issue. I would've loved to sniff the internet traffic to see what comes over the wire while it's updating to allow new TV channels. What servers do these boxes connect to? What data is it receiving? etc.
All I know is that a "key" needs to be implanted during the device manufacture. If not, there is no software/firmware update that can ever make that device usable for DRM decryption. (don't know anything about what the "key" is)
Even if it worked as stated by them it seems a bit barebones for the price IMO. No recording or ad skipping feature even on ATSC 1.0, and it'd be nice to have it display signal strength also. Maybe all this is a coming soon, but it can't even seem to do the basics for a premium price they're charging.
"lobbying in favor" is sort of the wrong term. You really mean "Our government should make this DRM BS illegal with the penalty for a violation being flogging around the fleet, keelhauling and then being yelled at".
@@kensmith5694I know it sucks, but what happens when everybody is streaming, and the networks are no longer getting retransmission fee's, then everybody is now recording with their new nextgen devices, and skipping past all the commercials, and advertising dollars go away, how do networks get money put show on OTA, I don't know how else networks can get money, what's your idea?
It is worth noting that ATSC 3.0 Security and Service Protection (ATSC A/360:2024-04) does not appear to define how "offline key management" is supported. The spec only explains the internet connection TLS based certificate and key exchange. You could provide the receiver manufacture the market/channel unique AES keys proactively but there is no recourse if keys need to rev due to compromise or if new markets introduce DRM after the product is manufactured (presumably what happened here). One solution could be to agree upon a "master key" so that any market could send their current keys via some meta ATSC 3.0 channel, but that master key would be a high value target for a wide audience and would quickly be compromised. I'll add too that ATSC 3.0 has a spec for "Service Usage Reporting" that periodically logs and reports the device location and active content. So if you decide to connect your receiver to the internet for the DRM unlock, consider that your behavior data is likely being sold.
My read of this is the vendor is giving "tech 101" advice of GEE WE NEVER EVERY HAD THIS BEFORE and YOUR EXPERIENCE IS UNIQUE. BTW that's a nice way of the vendor blaming the customer and having lived through 30 years of tech support this sure sounds like where this convo is going. I'd agree with the DRM so far is a mess conclusion.
I've read that the Zinwell devices have a built in 4G LTE radio so it can get the updated certificates it needs without being connected to home internet.
@@LonSeidman I wonder why a future product will have a built in 4G radio if internet is not required for these devices? Will this be for used for updating the firmware or revoking keys down the road that will be required to continue using these tuners - specifically for encrypted channels?
I have a Hisense tv and apparently they got authorized to decode DRM because the one channel I have that has DRM is playing now. I have a HD Homerun and its still blocked out when I try to display the channel on it.
My HDHOMERUN Quattro Flex 4K doesn't tune WXYZ-TV "Channel 107.1" as it is encrypted. Several of the 1xx.x channels in the Detroit DMA are encrypted. I think WXYZ is using their tower and transmitting plant to transmit the ATSC 1.0 signals while using their partnership with WMYD to transmit the ATSC 3.0 (Since Scripps broadcasting owns both WXYZ and WMYD) for the major Detroit TV stations. (WMYD is using their frequency to Xmit the ATSC 3.0 for WWJ, WXYZ, WDIV, and WJBK)
So what are people, who don't have internet, supposed to do if more channels start encrypting using algorithms the tuner (and other brand tuners) don't yet have the key to decrypt?
Here is my take on DRM: 1: There must be a 3-5 year moratorium on using DRM. 2: DRM may be used between the hours of 1am to 5am for testing purposes, not to exceed 20 hours/month. 3: A year before the moratorium expires, a report must be done to determine the status of device support for DRM, and any Internet, privacy (tracking, etc...), reliability, and other issues.
Also, let's hold the channel master accountable; let's not give them a pass, I understand they are a reseller. However, they are defending a defective product. Regardless of how the standard is being deployed, they should be more forthcoming and honest in the description.
I am thinking that the company is working to download all known station and market encryption keys for install on the device from deployment, but I also think they'll eventually expire too.. or new keys will be needed as channels accept / implement encryption.
So these broadcasters would try to do this instead of simulcast their broadcasts over the Internet? I don't get it. I haven't watched my local news stations in years due to this issue
without HDCP the whole DRM encryption is a mute point.and the standard on how DRM is implemented by the broadcasters (without and internet connection) aren't sorted out then ATSC 3.0 is a dead as HD radio IMO.
I don't understand... if some of the commenters on your initial video said that they skipped the internet step and got the DRM channels, and Channel Master says that the QSG step stating to connect it to the internet at setup is a mistake/outdated information, what happened (if you tried) when you factor reset the device and simply skipped over the internet part of the set up?
This is insane. I can take my ATSC 1 TV (or an ATSC 1 box) anywhere in the county and it will pick up all the channels in that area. But with ATSC 3, you can buy a TV or box and then not know whether it will work without stations in your area spying on you by requiring an Internet connection, or whether it will work at all with your channels. No one should buy ATSC 3 devices.
I missed the original video, Lon. Does that device work on your CT encrypted channels after connecting to the internet? I'm just curious if the internet did fix those 2 channels. I also fully understand your complaint, that the product claims to work without an internet connection, but apparently doesn't always work.
You’ve mentioned that all of these tuner boxes so far run android under the hood, and I am especially interested in this one since it seems very simple to operate. I am wondering though, when you access the settings or more specifically the android settings menu, can you enable any accessibility features? I am blind, and use the talkback screen reader available on android devices. I am hopeful that enabling talkback will let me access the TV guide and help me figure out when I need internet. Thanks!
This move to a new standard will create so much e-waste either buy a 100 buck box to get a couple years more out of your tv. When tv breaks you toss them both out and replace tv or you chuck your old working tv now and buy a new tv.
So retransmission is the issue -- but who and what would that be? Third party services to let you watch your local TV from anywhere? Pirates? Clearly this can be decoded to HDMI and captured, so that doesn't really stop much in itself.
@@midimax2998until it can be, atsc 1.0 will not be shut down, I know everybody likes to say the broadcasters tell the FCC what to do, but I do not believe that they will every have the public pay to hear and see a emergency broadcast.
Well, maybe you had a defective device, did they immediately send you an exchange device to try again? I'd offer to test in my area, but I dont think anyone has encrypted here yet, maybe my NBC but not sure. I'm in the middle of NY if you want to send it for testing. Or maybe send it to Antenna Man, I know he has some "encrapted" stations down there.
Hmm could it be on a station to station basis where not all ATSC 3 stations are not sending the encryption keys out over the air and they are being sent out over the Internet because there are way too many keys out there to be loaded in the box at the factory so like firmware it has to be loaded from the Internet in order to work properly and then it can get the keys from the station (because the TV stations are afraid that if the authorization keys are sent out over the air that pirates could copy them and use them to decrypt the channels without proper authorization) because the TV stations want their keys verified by an Internet server before they are loaded into the box (because once loaded the TV station can update the keys at anytime without having to go through Internet verification because the box has already been verified to get those keys over the air) in other words the TV stations have added their own layer of security to what is already out there and instead of having it sent out over the air when you set up the box for the first time they want you to connect to the Internet so the TV station can verify that your box is capable of decoding the signals using the keys they send out
For those of us who have no misgivings with a dedicated internet connection (Cat6 Ethernet) in their setup, we should have no problem with the decryption issues; correct?
Hey mister Lon!!! Are you finding any chance to play games or enjoy your time anymore? I used to presence this channel, to watch videos about the GPD XD, as well as the GCW zero. I hope you are still doing things for gaming, but mostly for you and yourself, as well I guess maybe for your family too.
The problem with how everybody is looking at this is wrong, seems like most everybody is looking at this like the company is telling everybody that it will work without internet to fool them, I think that it has some bugs to be worked out so it will work without internet, atsc 1.0 will not be shut down until the 0.1 stations can be watched over atsc 3.0 without a internet connection, and television in homes have hit a certain percentage of tv's with atsc 3.0 tuners, and there are affordable converter boxes that do not put a financial burden on low income family's they already said at the earliest that atsc 1.0 can be shut down is in July of 2027, and at that time they are going to review it and see if a certain criteria has been met.
'The broadcast industry has-' it's head up its ass where ANY mention of drm is concerned unless it is a rejection of said DRM. Public Airwaves demand Public Access.
I don't even understand how DRM would prevent retransmission. If you have this device that decrypts the video for you, then you have a clean signal to retransmit. Anyone wanting to retransmit these over the air signals can get the same device as any consumer can.
Did you power the device off and back on. If this does not work, do the same thing ten times more. Stick to your guns. a TV tuner without DVR function should not require an Internet connection so ask the question why does it have an Ethernet port? Channel Master is a good company just set up by their supplier located in Asia. I bet the unit was only tested in a lab and not beta tested in various North America markets. You would think they would have sent a unit to Antenna Man to test before the ship date. Issues with ADTH DVR, GT Media, and even HD Homerun. Products out to the general public before firmware and software works. And $150 for a stand alone tuner and HD Homerun sells a 4 tuner box for $200. Yes the one tuner Zapperbox is $250 but works with DRM, recording, and Dolby Sound AC4 but comes at a high cost for early adoption. This Nextgen is buyer beware at best.
@@LonSeidman I was just joking around I am sure you fully investigated for the review. It just seems like a lot of tech in recent years is introduced before things are proven to work. Keep up your fine work.
If everybody is moving to streaming and the broadcaster lose all their retransmission fee's, then everybody starts getting atsc 3.0 devices with 2 or 4 tuners and can record shows and can skip commercials, and all the advertisers dollars go away, we will all be watching Gilliagans Island and the Beverley Hillbillies, because the networks will have no money.😮
OTA 4k? DRM OTA 4k NEXTGEN-TV will never happen because of not enough bandwidth. 12 Reasons why OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail. Just say NO to (DRM). Tell your USA Government about the Hostile Takeover of (OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV) issues listed below. OTA DRM ("over the air" Digital Rights Management) Encrypted TV Station's signals. Why? Some 3.0 tuners at this time require you stay on the internet to decode DRM 3.0 TV Stations. Why? 3.0 Currently no 4K and you only get the Simulcasted main channel and no sub channels. Channel Crawling = super slow channel changing (DRM 5 + seconds slow). No sound because of Dolby AC4 audio codec does not have a legal open source license to decode legally on many devices. Some 3.0 tuners have Out of sync audio to video problems. Private Home Networked OTA antenna tuner boxes like (Tablo TV box) can not get official certified approval for DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV. Why? You may need non OTA home pay internet for updates and to unlock DRM encrypted ATSC 3.0 tv channels. Possible DRM restrictions on DRM ATSC 3.0 recordings and no viewing anywhere on any device with no sound. Emergency alert messages can not be received if DRM is blocking them. OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail because the FCC is not going to turn off ATSC 1.0 TV stations for many years if not enough people buy 3.0 TVs and 3.0 boxes. No one has solve the problem of no government money for free DRM 3.0 TV tuner boxes because 1.0 TV turners and recorders will not work after that TV Station switches to 3.0 TV broadcasts. (Range and signal error correction) OR (more sub channels and near 4k picture) trade off problem. FCC is not forcing any 1.0 TV Stations to move over to 3.0 TV. So some TV stations will be on 1.0 and others will be on DRM 3.0. The FCC is only allowing OTA Simulcasts of the ATSC 1.0 main channel at this time on DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV. DRM ATSC 3.0 is a not finished product and is a work in progress mix of unproven ideas that has never gotten full FCC approval at this time. Software updates for 3.0 tuner boxes may be needed for changes made to the unfinished and future added new official ATSC 3.0 standards modules. Patent License problems. LG no longer sells TVs with ATSC 3.0 tuners. Some 3.0 TV tuners companies may go out of business or stop updates leaving you with no DRM or software updates. OTA ATSC 3.0 is better but is not perfect and still can be affected by weak tv signals: (distance, weather, planes, trees, buildings, trucks, poor antenna, etc). FCC rules that 5 percent of old ATSC 1.0 coverage area does not need to be covered anymore = (SHORTER RANGE). Viewing zone outside of your 15 minute city or town could be blocked. Your TV viewing habits could be tracked by your serial number or IP address. ATSC 3.0 is updatable until it is not updatable without new hardware tuners (ATSC 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0......). Some of these 3.0 TV issues may be fixed over time. This is only some of the mess with DRM ATSC 3.0 TV. This is my opinion why DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail. IMO. Stay on OTA 1.0 TV until DRM is removed from OTA ATSC 3.0 by law. It is the people versus the hostile takeover by private DRM 3.0 TV stations for control over the USA public airwaves. IMO 2024. .
yeah i'll pass bought a channel master stream+ got one update like 4 months later and that was all the support they ever had. I no longer trust CM to produce anything of quality.CM just abandoned those customers.
I just want to know from anybody who is using ATSC 3.0 tuner or TV with ATSC 3.0 if it is worth it. One of my streaming services had something in HDR and I thought it looked great. Is anybody getting HDR or 4k with one of these or other brand tuners? Worth the effort?
I just heard from a viewer in Colorado who also found his box could not decrypt channels without an Internet connection. What a continued mess this is turning out to be. ruclips.net/video/qezFdJ3zEAA/видео.html
Thanks for various tests and updates , including the link to the Denver area user's video. I can easily understand the printed Quick Start Guide be incorrect/out-of-date, but your CT area tests and the Denver area tester indicate real problems. I'm considering buying the $60 GT-media USB tuner just to try out the unencrypted NYC station(s?). Start with Android on Windows 11. If that combo doesn't work, blow another $20 and get the Walmart ONN android box...
The zinwell device has only been out for about a month. It's not uncommon for just released products to still need some more work. Combine that with the fact that atsc 3.0 is generally only being used by early adopters with high end TVs. I'd say it is too soon to call it a mess given how short the product has been available and how few people are using atsc 3.0. This experience is what early adopters often experience, and it is how stuff gets fixed before it goes to the masses. Now, if someone is just against drm in general, it's easy to be motivated to see it all as a mess. All of the streaming services use the same widevine drm, and they have it all sorted out for using on most any device. I'd say fairness requires giving more time to let the issues be sorted out.
@@reticularimus They've had years to get this right. There is no plan and it's already making OTA television watching onerous on consumers. It's only going to get worse as the transition continues.
@@LonSeidman Fair enough. Given that broadcast networks in general (and over-the-air distribution in particular) have less interested consumers than ever, the broadcast industry might not have the incentive to move as fast as they otherwise would if over-the-air distribution was still the primary delivery mechanism, or if 1.0 simulcasts weren't sill being broadcast, or if there was robust consumer demand for atsc 3.0. The drm system for astc 3.0 is much more akin to blu-ray drm than original dvd drm. Any modern drm system will have a renewable component, not a single embedded key like dvd had. If a system is to be renewable, it must have access to two-way communication. Any modern device will require firmware updates, which again is most efficiently done using two-way communication. The de facto means for two-way communication is the internet. It might be unreasonable to expect any modern embedded device to never use the internet for this communication. If the zinwell device can mostly work with only the occasional need for this two-way communication, that would be the unusual case. And It is certainly less onerous than always requiring an internet connection.
I have a ZapperBox and most ATSC-3 channels are accessible, however, WCBS-NY, CBS-Hartford (WFSB), and WNBC-NY are still encrypted. I checked the menu and decryption is grayed-out for these channels. I had heard that there was a SW update via WiFi (I’m connected), but it it’s still not working after repeated SW updates.
This is exactly why I trust Lon's equipment reviews. He's always 100% transparent and thorough with everything he does.
Totally agree!
Hey Lon, fellow Connecticutter here. My Zapperbox behaves the same way as your Zinwell decoder. While I’m in the NYC DMA, being in Stratford, I also receive the Hartford New Haven stations on my outdoor antenna similar to you.
I’m very glad that you’re honestly reporting your results on what’s turning out to be a sloppily and hastily-conceived plan by the broadcasters to protect their $2.5B+ retransmission fees while robbing the television-viewing public of their rights to the airwaves.
I have no objection to the billionaires making money on their privately transmitted streaming services, but when they try to hold our airwaves hostage with DRM, then they get my dander up.
I hope that you continue to get both the attention of the public and the manufacturers and broadcasters through your RUclips content. Have you heard anything from the engineers at the Gray or Nexstar groups?
Tyler the "Antenna Man" is warming up his sledgehammer for a video on this product soon.
Good for you Lon. Hopefully channel master will come back with a fix for both the quick start guide and the connect ability asap. Thanks for sticking by your review!!
So, this confirms that stations could make changes to always require an internet connection. What assurances do we have that stations must support these offline boxes?
I did NOT expect an update so soon.
Thanks for the fair and balanced update. This is too expensive for a single TV tuner with no recording capabilities. Channel Master was once a great company with cutting edge tech but not anymore.
If my Next gen channels decide to encrypt in a year or two and it doesn't work are they going to replace it or tell me "it's out of warranty"? I'm betting on the latter.
Hopefully it can be solved in firmware updates.
@@McGregorMX I'd hope you're right but this is starting to look like many other standards that aren't being followed properly or just aren't laid out properly.
Thanks for the fast update, Lon. Your honesty and transparency combined with the wide scope of the types of products you review is what makes your channel first rate!
This ATSC 3.0/Nexr Gen TV rollout with DRM is a first class clusterf*ck!😱🤬The box manufacturers and primarily the briadcasters could screw up a cheese sandwich!!💩🤬
I'd just like for the industry to be able to come up with a FULLY functional, stand alone (no internet) box that could
1. decrypt DRM
2. have DVR capability (SD card, flash drive, hard drive??)
3. have a channel guide (24 hr minimum)
4. have ad skipping (or maximum 15 sec ad before skip)
5. have ability to do OTA updates similar to smartphones.
The industry needs to get their sh*t 💩 together! Broadcasters still have a requirement "to serve the public".
Thanks to Lon and Tyler "The Antenna Man" for their hard work regarding ATSC 3.0
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I'd love to see a video where you get some people from local stations and working on pushing the standard itself on for an interview.
Im in CT and WFSB and WTNH needing network activation makes buying one of these devices a non-starter for me.
Right now it's WFSB and WVIT only but the others will be encrypted soon too.
@@LonSeidmanit really feels like they are trying to just kill OTA by making this less convenient than streaming where they can collect viewership stats.
Why deal with getting the signal over the air if you're already putting the device online, and I think they're counting on consumers asking that same question.
Agreed. I'd like to hear more about what it is like behind the scenes trying to implement the ATSC 3 system from the people having to do it.
@@jjones2582 From what I'm hearing it's just as chaotic inside as it is from the outside!
It sounds like ATSC 3 DRM might be using something similar to Google Winevine's certification levels... In Widevine, L1 certification (hardware decoding/most secure) can play anything while L3 certification (software decoding/least secure) is generally restricted to lower quality video.
I have this box and am in the Tampa area. I see this same notice on my box from time to time. All I do is go back to the guide and select the same next gen channel and is works fine without an internet connection.
Thanks, Lon, for keeping on this. I'm sad that my HDHR tuner doesn't work, and I'd really
love to get a tuner that just works, and without needing an internet connection.
I have filed comments with the FCC, and do keep up the good fight!
Thanks Lon for the informative videos you make, and keep presenting the truth.
What a hassle this whole drm fiasco has been
DRM = Devil’s Righthand Man 🎉
Thanks for the update, Lon.
You're one of the best RUclips reviewers out there. Always 100%
Thank you for being transparent, and holding these jackholes accountable, as there should not be any DRM whatsoever on public airwaves!!!
What is the argument to have DRM on OTA TV? Makes no sense to me.
Licensing money.
Channel owners want to make it as hard as possible to use OTA TV. They make their money on retransmission fees you pay for with cable.
@BrunodeSouzaLino I don't think it's the licensing fee, that is a one time cost, DRM is to keep the advertising dollars coming in, the broadcasters don't want you to have the ability to skip commercials, it lowers the price they can charge for commercial time, and at the time millions are dropping cable and they are losing retransmission fee, they need advertising dollars to stay in business.
What and who would count towards retransmission? If these boxes can decode to HDMI capture, it's clearly not difficult to work with that signal and do something with it.
@igeekone the problem is, cable tv is dying, everytime someone drops cable, the broadcasters lose a retransmission fee, some customers they lose go with a live streaming service that have local station and still pay the retransmission fee's, but many dont. On a Facebook group that deals with antennas, there are a few posting on there that they could not get ota stations, or was missing some networks until atsc 3.0 was being broadcasted, so it didn't make it as hard as possible for them, it made it possible, if they ever get all the tv manufacturers to buy in, it should be plug and play.
I grew up in rural WV, and antenna signal is hard enough to come by there, let alone an internet connection.
Many people I know there likely won’t ever have the ability to have an internet connection.
They are the few, but they rely on antennas arguably more than anybody.
Encryption on public airwaves is perverse.
I think it’s perfectly fine to encrypt as long as you don’t have Ads. Can’t have it both.
@@tkmedia3866 I believe the intent of encryption is to prevent recording of programming and playback on other devices.
It's not your fault. It's a quality control issue, based on the instruction manual. Thanks for your update
You said that the DRM was poorly planned. This means you are assuming that the mess is not intentional. It could all be part of their very clever plan.
Actually what it's all about is to put an end to locast clones which is completely stupid because it already defeated itself by just plugging it into a regular capture card to record the video even if it had the HDCP enabled you can still get around that, all this ignore is making a bigger mess for everyone in the long run now we'll have to go back to doing things like we used to do with cable and satellite receivers, But unfortunately I think the days OTA is going to die anyway as more and more people are just going online and using free streaming services so all this local broadcasters and large media companies that own them are just ****** themselves over.
I doubt this was intentional by the regulators that have control of these rules. They are just clueless and trying to appease corporations while at the same time implementing some set of consumer protections that their job entails. However on the broadcaster's side, yeah most likely intentional chaos and giving regulators false information that they can't just use an open signal because "so and so bad thing will happen".
Main issue is regulators generally aren't educated in the technologies they oversee and they feel obligated to listen to the industry. Consumer lawyers should be guiding these rules, not the broadcasters.
My thoughts are the same, it appears intentional.
The fact that they are likely to fix two stations in CT and then declare "No Problemo" is exactly what the rest of us fear. Every time some new engineer reconfigures something wrong there is going to be no mechanism to get the station to fix things. They clearly need some government regulator to force every station to test/support their deployment every time consumers get blocked by DRM. They don't want to do this because it's expensive, but some financial burden needs to be placed on DRM deployment to reflect the public interest. Cable companies understood this cost in the CableCARD days, and ultimately managed to deploy a pretty stable solution. The broadcasters that see ATSC 3 DRM as "cheap and easy" need to realize that's an example of industry over hype.
You are always 100 percent transparent on your channel and why I enjoy your content. The Channel Master response that they "tested it in multiple markets" is weak sauce. It is obvious that you had issues with the device right out of the box with DRM.
I was on the fence about getting this. Now, I'm unsure
Haha, this was good for a solid laugh. Take my up vote!
Thanks Lon for keeping us up to date !❤
Thanks for the update Lon! Always appreciate how forthright you are with your reviews
DRM (Lock Out) may also depend on the DRM TV Station you are watching. Each DRM TV Station can have it's own DRM rules because the FCC is letting TV Stations experiment at this time.
I wonder what gonna happen when some people who DONT have an internet jack close to their TVs? I live in an appt and the only hard wire is in another area not close to the TV. They should allow wireless for that.
Hopefully there will be a OTA tuner that gets "modded" by the community nothing gets groups interested in modifying a device more than corporate greed
What I don't understand is how this DRM is even allowed by the FCC in light of the requirements to broadcasters to provide EAS tests and alerts. You can't have alerts going out to the general public if people decide to not watch *at all* due to DRM hassle.
Like I got this error when trying to access the “App” later when connected to the internet.
“Unable to decrypt
Error Code 105: Unable to Decrypt - Not Authorized This device is not authorized to receive this channel.”
I have such fond memories of the good ol' days when you could buy a TV, plug it in, and just watch TV. I remember one time...oops, gotta go. I have to reboot the refrigerator, I don't think the software update went well. Hope the fridge OS doesn't have a virus again.
You can still do that, I hope you still have fond memories of it, the reason atsc 1.0 is not allowed to shut down is because atsc 3.0 is not yet plug and play, the sky is not falling.
@l-Joseph123 Yeah, was just poking fun at the mess ATSC 3.0 (and some technology in general) has turned into. I'm perfectly happy w/ATSC 1.0 for as long as it's supported, which will be quite some time. Maybe by the time I need to replace a TV, it will be sorted out. But I sure wouldn't want to be an early adopter with ATSC 3.0.
I'm a new subscriber. Thanks for your reviews. I'm following ATSC 3.0 and eventually will get the equipment I need to view it. Your reviews guide me. Thanks again.
Thanks for your support!!
Makes me wonder how this encryption actually works. Maybe the DRM works like website security certificates, where there is a Root CA that is stored in your web browser. So the tuner box ships out with a few root CA's, and maybe those TV stations don't use the correct root cert causing this issue. I would've loved to sniff the internet traffic to see what comes over the wire while it's updating to allow new TV channels. What servers do these boxes connect to? What data is it receiving? etc.
All I know is that a "key" needs to be implanted during the device manufacture. If not, there is no software/firmware update that can ever make that device usable for DRM decryption. (don't know anything about what the "key" is)
Even if it worked as stated by them it seems a bit barebones for the price IMO. No recording or ad skipping feature even on ATSC 1.0, and it'd be nice to have it display signal strength also. Maybe all this is a coming soon, but it can't even seem to do the basics for a premium price they're charging.
could your device have a faulty chip or some other bug that would cause it to not perform as advertised? also firmware updates?
Our government should not be lobbying in favor of this at all…. Absolutely a mess!
"lobbying in favor" is sort of the wrong term. You really mean "Our government should make this DRM BS illegal with the penalty for a violation being flogging around the fleet, keelhauling and then being yelled at".
@@kensmith5694I know it sucks, but what happens when everybody is streaming, and the networks are no longer getting retransmission fee's, then everybody is now recording with their new nextgen devices, and skipping past all the commercials, and advertising dollars go away, how do networks get money put show on OTA, I don't know how else networks can get money, what's your idea?
Called money. They don’t care as long as the green flows in their pockets
It is worth noting that ATSC 3.0 Security and Service Protection (ATSC A/360:2024-04) does not appear to define how "offline key management" is supported. The spec only explains the internet connection TLS based certificate and key exchange.
You could provide the receiver manufacture the market/channel unique AES keys proactively but there is no recourse if keys need to rev due to compromise or if new markets introduce DRM after the product is manufactured (presumably what happened here). One solution could be to agree upon a "master key" so that any market could send their current keys via some meta ATSC 3.0 channel, but that master key would be a high value target for a wide audience and would quickly be compromised.
I'll add too that ATSC 3.0 has a spec for "Service Usage Reporting" that periodically logs and reports the device location and active content. So if you decide to connect your receiver to the internet for the DRM unlock, consider that your behavior data is likely being sold.
Thanks Lon. Please keep shining the light on all this DRM nonsense
There's only one reason for DRM. That is to place limits on what people do with public broadcasts. NO DRM, PERIOD!
My read of this is the vendor is giving "tech 101" advice of GEE WE NEVER EVERY HAD THIS BEFORE and YOUR EXPERIENCE IS UNIQUE. BTW that's a nice way of the vendor blaming the customer and having lived through 30 years of tech support this sure sounds like where this convo is going. I'd agree with the DRM so far is a mess conclusion.
I've read that the Zinwell devices have a built in 4G LTE radio so it can get the updated certificates it needs without being connected to home internet.
Not this one but they had announced a version that did have an LTE modem for validating security keys.
@@LonSeidmanso how are some people saying it's working for them without ever being connected to the internet?
@@LonSeidman I wonder why a future product will have a built in 4G radio if internet is not required for these devices? Will this be for used for updating the firmware or revoking keys down the road that will be required to continue using these tuners - specifically for encrypted channels?
I have a Hisense tv and apparently they got authorized to decode DRM because the one channel I have that has DRM is playing now. I have a HD Homerun and its still blocked out when I try to display the channel on it.
Great video and very informative, love to see you shared the constructors point of view, more constuctors should do the same :)
Appreciate your excellence, Lon! Keep up the great work!
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Great video and follow-up Lon.
What a shame the way this DRM thing is being handled. I do think CM is caught in the middle here.
My HDHOMERUN Quattro Flex 4K doesn't tune WXYZ-TV "Channel 107.1" as it is encrypted. Several of the 1xx.x channels in the Detroit DMA are encrypted. I think WXYZ is using their tower and transmitting plant to transmit the ATSC 1.0 signals while using their partnership with WMYD to transmit the ATSC 3.0 (Since Scripps broadcasting owns both WXYZ and WMYD) for the major Detroit TV stations. (WMYD is using their frequency to Xmit the ATSC 3.0 for WWJ, WXYZ, WDIV, and WJBK)
wxyz is the only atsc 3.0 station that is encrypted in the Detroit market.
So what are people, who don't have internet, supposed to do if more channels start encrypting using algorithms the tuner (and other brand tuners) don't yet have the key to decrypt?
Here is my take on DRM:
1: There must be a 3-5 year moratorium on using DRM.
2: DRM may be used between the hours of 1am to 5am for testing purposes, not to exceed 20 hours/month.
3: A year before the moratorium expires, a report must be done to determine the status of device support for DRM, and any Internet, privacy (tracking, etc...), reliability, and other issues.
Is reception better with ATSC 3 than ATSC 1?
Also, let's hold the channel master accountable; let's not give them a pass, I understand they are a reseller. However, they are defending a defective product. Regardless of how the standard is being deployed, they should be more forthcoming and honest in the description.
I am thinking that the company is working to download all known station and market encryption keys for install on the device from deployment, but I also think they'll eventually expire too.. or new keys will be needed as channels accept / implement encryption.
What is the model number of that zenwell box
can you access web content on the box using the ethernet port?
So these broadcasters would try to do this instead of simulcast their broadcasts over the Internet? I don't get it. I haven't watched my local news stations in years due to this issue
without HDCP the whole DRM encryption is a mute point.and the standard on how DRM is implemented by the broadcasters (without and internet connection) aren't sorted out then ATSC 3.0 is a dead as HD radio IMO.
DRM ruins everything.
I don't understand... if some of the commenters on your initial video said that they skipped the internet step and got the DRM channels, and Channel Master says that the QSG step stating to connect it to the internet at setup is a mistake/outdated information, what happened (if you tried) when you factor reset the device and simply skipped over the internet part of the set up?
I initially set up the device without the Internet as was discussed in the prior video.
@@LonSeidman Ok thanks; I didn't see that video and should have before asking. Sorry!
The problem is the individual ATSC 3 stations using DRM in the first place. Say no!!!
This is insane. I can take my ATSC 1 TV (or an ATSC 1 box) anywhere in the county and it will pick up all the channels in that area. But with ATSC 3, you can buy a TV or box and then not know whether it will work without stations in your area spying on you by requiring an Internet connection, or whether it will work at all with your channels. No one should buy ATSC 3 devices.
I missed the original video, Lon. Does that device work on your CT encrypted channels after connecting to the internet?
I'm just curious if the internet did fix those 2 channels. I also fully understand your complaint, that the product claims to work without an internet connection, but apparently doesn't always work.
Watch the video and find out :)
You’ve mentioned that all of these tuner boxes so far run android under the hood, and I am especially interested in this one since it seems very simple to operate. I am wondering though, when you access the settings or more specifically the android settings menu, can you enable any accessibility features? I am blind, and use the talkback screen reader available on android devices. I am hopeful that enabling talkback will let me access the TV guide and help me figure out when I need internet. Thanks!
I didn’t see any but will double check !
Good for sticking to your guns. It's not your fault they didn't do 100% evaluation of a product.
This move to a new standard will create so much e-waste either buy a 100 buck box to get a couple years more out of your tv. When tv breaks you toss them both out and replace tv or you chuck your old working tv now and buy a new tv.
So retransmission is the issue -- but who and what would that be?
Third party services to let you watch your local TV from anywhere? Pirates? Clearly this can be decoded to HDMI and captured, so that doesn't really stop much in itself.
Well channel master has yet to prove otherwise... Also, value for money.... is poor on this product.
Did you a firmware update to the box? and if so, what changes did you note?
The maybe more important question. Can one update the firmware without a internet connection? 🤨
@@midimax2998until it can be, atsc 1.0 will not be shut down, I know everybody likes to say the broadcasters tell the FCC what to do, but I do not believe that they will every have the public pay to hear and see a emergency broadcast.
thank you lon for pointing this out to me. Can you do an update video for the adth box it has new features. sorry i cant speel good.
I have my HDHome Run Quatro because of your channel, but I don't see an ATSC 3.0 box in my future maybe ever. This 3.0 rollout is disgusting.
Well, maybe you had a defective device, did they immediately send you an exchange device to try again? I'd offer to test in my area, but I dont think anyone has encrypted here yet, maybe my NBC but not sure. I'm in the middle of NY if you want to send it for testing. Or maybe send it to Antenna Man, I know he has some "encrapted" stations down there.
Hmm could it be on a station to station basis where not all ATSC 3 stations are not sending the encryption keys out over the air and they are being sent out over the Internet because there are way too many keys out there to be loaded in the box at the factory so like firmware it has to be loaded from the Internet in order to work properly and then it can get the keys from the station (because the TV stations are afraid that if the authorization keys are sent out over the air that pirates could copy them and use them to decrypt the channels without proper authorization) because the TV stations want their keys verified by an Internet server before they are loaded into the box (because once loaded the TV station can update the keys at anytime without having to go through Internet verification because the box has already been verified to get those keys over the air) in other words the TV stations have added their own layer of security to what is already out there and instead of having it sent out over the air when you set up the box for the first time they want you to connect to the Internet so the TV station can verify that your box is capable of decoding the signals using the keys they send out
This Zinwell tuner or the adth tuner?
Advertisers are going to MISS OUT when I don't watch your station. If my TV DOES NOT work when not plugged into the internet, its dead to me.
Thanks
For those of us who have no misgivings with a dedicated internet connection (Cat6 Ethernet) in their setup, we should have no problem with the decryption issues; correct?
Yes that should work for now
@@LonSeidman
Is there a potential time limit on this? Is it different from what ZapperBox has with their certification?
Hey mister Lon!!! Are you finding any chance to play games or enjoy your time anymore? I used to presence this channel, to watch videos about the GPD XD, as well as the GCW zero. I hope you are still doing things for gaming, but mostly for you and yourself, as well I guess maybe for your family too.
i sitll consider ATSC 3.0 a huge scam with the DRM being embedded into it like come on in reality 1080 is fine
It obviously Doesn’t work right
The problem with how everybody is looking at this is wrong, seems like most everybody is looking at this like the company is telling everybody that it will work without internet to fool them, I think that it has some bugs to be worked out so it will work without internet, atsc 1.0 will not be shut down until the 0.1 stations can be watched over atsc 3.0 without a internet connection, and television in homes have hit a certain percentage of tv's with atsc 3.0 tuners, and there are affordable converter boxes that do not put a financial burden on low income family's they already said at the earliest that atsc 1.0 can be shut down is in July of 2027, and at that time they are going to review it and see if a certain criteria has been met.
'The broadcast industry has-'
it's head up its ass where ANY mention of drm is concerned unless it is a rejection of said DRM. Public Airwaves demand Public Access.
I don't even understand how DRM would prevent retransmission. If you have this device that decrypts the video for you, then you have a clean signal to retransmit. Anyone wanting to retransmit these over the air signals can get the same device as any consumer can.
Imagine a world that makes you think 'CableCard DRM wasn't that bad in comparison' lol
Edit: For OTA TV at that! 🙃🔫
Very true!!
It’s all about money there trying to get rid of free tv
An internet connection today is almost (if not already) a necessity.
If they are going to require a broadband connection, they may as well skip the OTA and just send out an IP stream.
These boxes cost too much. They'll have to come down in price before I buy one. I doubt they will because of all the royalties on them.
Pretty much will keep atsc 1.0 until all tvs had come with nextgen tuners for a couple years.
Did you power the device off and back on. If this does not work, do the same thing ten times more.
Stick to your guns. a TV tuner without DVR function should not require an Internet connection so ask the question why does it have an Ethernet port?
Channel Master is a good company just set up by their supplier located in Asia. I bet the unit was only tested in a lab and not beta tested in various North America markets. You would think they would have sent a unit to Antenna Man to test before the ship date. Issues with ADTH DVR, GT Media, and even HD Homerun. Products out to the general public before firmware and software works.
And $150 for a stand alone tuner and HD Homerun sells a 4 tuner box for $200. Yes the one tuner Zapperbox is $250 but works with DRM, recording, and Dolby Sound AC4 but comes at a high cost for early adoption. This Nextgen is buyer beware at best.
Yes definitely did a bunch of resets, etc. You can learn more in the original video
@@LonSeidman I was just joking around I am sure you fully investigated for the review. It just seems like a lot of tech in recent years is introduced before things are proven to work.
Keep up your fine work.
If everybody is moving to streaming and the broadcaster lose all their retransmission fee's, then everybody starts getting atsc 3.0 devices with 2 or 4 tuners and can record shows and can skip commercials, and all the advertisers dollars go away, we will all be watching Gilliagans Island and the Beverley Hillbillies, because the networks will have no money.😮
OTA 4k? DRM OTA 4k NEXTGEN-TV will never happen because of not enough bandwidth. 12 Reasons why OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail. Just say NO to (DRM). Tell your USA Government about the Hostile Takeover of (OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV) issues listed below.
OTA DRM ("over the air" Digital Rights Management) Encrypted TV Station's signals. Why?
Some 3.0 tuners at this time require you stay on the internet to decode DRM 3.0 TV Stations. Why?
3.0 Currently no 4K and you only get the Simulcasted main channel and no sub channels.
Channel Crawling = super slow channel changing (DRM 5 + seconds slow).
No sound because of Dolby AC4 audio codec does not have a legal open source license to decode legally on many devices.
Some 3.0 tuners have Out of sync audio to video problems.
Private Home Networked OTA antenna tuner boxes like (Tablo TV box) can not get official certified approval for DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV. Why?
You may need non OTA home pay internet for updates and to unlock DRM encrypted ATSC 3.0 tv channels.
Possible DRM restrictions on DRM ATSC 3.0 recordings and no viewing anywhere on any device with no sound.
Emergency alert messages can not be received if DRM is blocking them.
OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail because the FCC is not going to turn off ATSC 1.0 TV stations for many years if not enough people buy 3.0 TVs and 3.0 boxes.
No one has solve the problem of no government money for free DRM 3.0 TV tuner boxes because 1.0 TV turners and recorders will not work after that TV Station switches to 3.0 TV broadcasts.
(Range and signal error correction) OR (more sub channels and near 4k picture) trade off problem.
FCC is not forcing any 1.0 TV Stations to move over to 3.0 TV. So some TV stations will be on 1.0 and others will be on DRM 3.0.
The FCC is only allowing OTA Simulcasts of the ATSC 1.0 main channel at this time on DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV.
DRM ATSC 3.0 is a not finished product and is a work in progress mix of unproven ideas that has never gotten full FCC approval at this time.
Software updates for 3.0 tuner boxes may be needed for changes made to the unfinished and future added new official ATSC 3.0 standards modules.
Patent License problems. LG no longer sells TVs with ATSC 3.0 tuners.
Some 3.0 TV tuners companies may go out of business or stop updates leaving you with no DRM or software updates.
OTA ATSC 3.0 is better but is not perfect and still can be affected by weak tv signals: (distance, weather, planes, trees, buildings, trucks, poor antenna, etc).
FCC rules that 5 percent of old ATSC 1.0 coverage area does not need to be covered anymore = (SHORTER RANGE).
Viewing zone outside of your 15 minute city or town could be blocked.
Your TV viewing habits could be tracked by your serial number or IP address.
ATSC 3.0 is updatable until it is not updatable without new hardware tuners (ATSC 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0......).
Some of these 3.0 TV issues may be fixed over time.
This is only some of the mess with DRM ATSC 3.0 TV.
This is my opinion why DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail.
IMO. Stay on OTA 1.0 TV until DRM is removed from OTA ATSC 3.0 by law.
It is the people versus the hostile takeover by private DRM 3.0 TV stations for control over the USA public airwaves.
IMO 2024.
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So much confusion😂😂😂😂
yeah i'll pass bought a channel master stream+ got one update like 4 months later and that was all the support they ever had. I no longer trust CM to produce anything of quality.CM just abandoned those customers.
OT, but do you have any OTA DVR recommendations? TY
Any number of cheap TV tuners? Recording ATSC1 video is still a thing, but as for NextGenTV, I'm sure it won't start at this stage.
@@Code7Unltd I meant an OTA Tuner/DVR combo box with option for HDD recording?
@@Code7Unltd With EPG program guide
I just want to know from anybody who is using ATSC 3.0 tuner or TV with ATSC 3.0
if it is worth it. One of my streaming services had something in HDR and I thought it looked great. Is anybody getting HDR or 4k with one of these or other brand tuners? Worth the effort?
By the time they get this resolved, we’re all watch streaming services. This roll out is a sure fire way to lose viewers
Good video
TRY TO DO A FACTORY RESET
Yeah they don’t want anybody getting free tv anymore my friend it’s all about money now
Why don’t you go to someone else’s house to see if it works there maybe it’s will you are and maybe you got a old one