I'm the guy that would come in asking for you to teach me how to do things. The problem is sourcing factory parts and service kits for a individual is kind of difficult. I feel that if someone is technically inclined they should be able to take the training to service their own gear. This might result in better serviced equipment more frequently instead of skipping service intervals to save money. One of the reasons I bought a Deep Six Regulator was that service parts and training classes are available for all customers. I have not yet been trained fully but I feel comfortable making small adjustments hose changes, orings, etc.
Being able to confidently make small changes is actually a big deal as the majority of divers would never try to replace a hose. I use the example of everyone flys but no one knows how the plane works, yet we are still happy. A
Sorry Alex, I don't like the logic here. One one had you have joe blow employee that's likely working there only for a paycheck (because why not?) likely has no real interest in servicing gear but you'll send him to training. On the other you have a diver, who has a great interest in servicing gear, but since he's not an employee he gets told no. So what's he likely to do? Turn to RUclips and watch a few videos then service his own gear and quite possibly harm himself on the next dive w/ that gear, now you have lost a customer. Personally I bought all Apex regs b/c I can buy parts and I took part in a 3 day online 'seminar' to learn reg maintenance as it was the best option since the LDS won't let me join a ScubaPro class. So it could be liability? Doubt it, most likely just the Dive Shop protecting their bottom line b/c now that customer won't come in for service. Seems short sighted.
vital to safety is education. what manufacturers want is monopoly of knowledge. liability? nobody seems to be bothered by people changing brake pads of their 3 ton truck now do we?
I hear your points but as a dive shop owner, diver safety is more important than the bottom line. One mistake and a lawsuit can end a business. Training employees is very different than a customer: legally, financially and for all customers. I don't want to get into a lot of typing to explain it but this is the same reason why Canadian Tire (in Canada), does not train customers to do their own car service. Customers come to me for my skills and i am compensated for it. That is the business relationship to keep. A
My view is a pro has training, tools, test gear and does it repeatedly, not once a year or so. Now that i'm retired, I give mine to a pro to service. A
another myths that firmly maintained by equipment companies, I'm an advocate of training for anybody that is technically inclined and desires to train for " specialized " tasks, this makes a better diver that won't panic in the event of an equipment malfunction. hiding information is the best way to maintain myths, the best example I can give to you is the marine engines ( inboard or I/O ) that are very special engines, in fact, thay are standard light duty automotive engines, I can testify it by the numbers of the internal parts. The difference is in the accessories that must be spark proof and spill proof, the camshaft that is " marine" grind ( very similar to RV grind ) and cooling loop that is different from a regular automotive application including water jacketed exhaust manifolds. very good topic very good video
Sometimes I watch your videos on autoplay and it always ends up on that diversco video. You telling that guy that he doesn't operate the big machinery because he's not human always cracks me up😂😂😂 "I see you have loads of stuff in Kevin's favourite colour... hot pink"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 You might get old but your sense of humour never fades😂😂😂 that video's so damn funny
I disagree with some of what you’re saying here. PADI has an Equipment Specialist Specialty that’s a great way to both satisfy the Customer’s desire for personal gear maintenance AND make money for the LDS. And if a Customer is interested in further knowledge they might be a great addition as a new Tech once they’ve been sent to a course!
I agree that everyone should take an equipment course to know more about how their gear works, but not to service it. Life saving equipment is not something an amateur should touch, one a pro. A
Alec, one facet of equipment DIY ‘training’ for divers you didn’t mention is the PADI ‘Equipment Specialist’ Cert that local dive shops offer. This does not train a diver to service or rebuild equipment, but does train a diver to build a save a dive kit and perform field repairs that otherwise would end the planned day of diving: o-ring replacement, hose changeouts, quick bcd fixes etc. etc. To use your analogy, kind of like learning to change a tire on a car… it’s a good skill to have.
The reason I didn't mention the PADI course, which I taught for many, many years, is it's not really gear service but gear understanding. No one adjusts the first stage IP or replaces a single key part but they do learn about hoses, fins, replacing mask straps. Lots of good feedback on this subject so thanks for the comment. A
7:05 so basically you would give false hopes to the customer, just so you don't have to say no, thats very unprofessional. I spent thousands of euros on diving equipment at my local dive shop, I would be mad at the owner if he cheated me like that, over time I sent him dozens of new customers, he would not only lose me as a customer but also all the other customers I referred there and hundreds of future ones because I would say that he is a fraud. If he said no, and than reason why, that would be ok with me.
Not false hope but eduction to show them reg service is not like changing a shower faucet, it is a life saving device, you life. In addition to the parts, training, experience and many specialized tools (ie a magnelelic meter), you need focus without disturbances. No one interrupts a heart surgeon mid procedure to leave and check on a coughing patient. This is why you rarely hear of diver injuries from gear serviced by a pro. Finally, if a customer invested so much to be truly a competent service pro, why not work for the LDS then and expand into other brands which makes you and employee. A
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter when I worked on my first stage (Apeks DST) I was very focused and careful, I put fifth pourt on two DST first stages on my own and tested they work grait no problems, I want to service my regulator brand and know how it works. I don't want to work in dive store becouse its not enough money, and I'm not interested in other regulator brands. My friend went to "profesional" he took dive tank to have it serviced, and guy didn't change valve neck o ring, if I service my gear I know what is done to it, I like knowing that specialy if I'm 80m- 90m deep. And in my dive club we have only apeks regulators and 95% of divers have their own Apeks regulators.
I'm the guy that would come in asking for you to teach me how to do things. The problem is sourcing factory parts and service kits for a individual is kind of difficult. I feel that if someone is technically inclined they should be able to take the training to service their own gear. This might result in better serviced equipment more frequently instead of skipping service intervals to save money. One of the reasons I bought a Deep Six Regulator was that service parts and training classes are available for all customers. I have not yet been trained fully but I feel comfortable making small adjustments hose changes, orings, etc.
Being able to confidently make small changes is actually a big deal as the majority of divers would never try to replace a hose. I use the example of everyone flys but no one knows how the plane works, yet we are still happy.
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I miss good old vintage scuba videos
More coming this fall.
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Sorry Alex, I don't like the logic here. One one had you have joe blow employee that's likely working there only for a paycheck (because why not?) likely has no real interest in servicing gear but you'll send him to training. On the other you have a diver, who has a great interest in servicing gear, but since he's not an employee he gets told no. So what's he likely to do? Turn to RUclips and watch a few videos then service his own gear and quite possibly harm himself on the next dive w/ that gear, now you have lost a customer. Personally I bought all Apex regs b/c I can buy parts and I took part in a 3 day online 'seminar' to learn reg maintenance as it was the best option since the LDS won't let me join a ScubaPro class. So it could be liability? Doubt it, most likely just the Dive Shop protecting their bottom line b/c now that customer won't come in for service. Seems short sighted.
vital to safety is education. what manufacturers want is monopoly of knowledge. liability? nobody seems to be bothered by people changing brake pads of their 3 ton truck now do we?
I hear your points but as a dive shop owner, diver safety is more important than the bottom line. One mistake and a lawsuit can end a business. Training employees is very different than a customer: legally, financially and for all customers. I don't want to get into a lot of typing to explain it but this is the same reason why Canadian Tire (in Canada), does not train customers to do their own car service. Customers come to me for my skills and i am compensated for it. That is the business relationship to keep.
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Makes sense when your dealing with life supporting equipment plain and simple.
I can pack my own parachute but I don’t because I’m not a pro.
My view is a pro has training, tools, test gear and does it repeatedly, not once a year or so. Now that i'm retired, I give mine to a pro to service.
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another myths that firmly maintained by equipment companies, I'm an advocate of training for anybody that is technically inclined and desires to train for " specialized " tasks, this makes a better diver that won't panic in the event of an equipment malfunction.
hiding information is the best way to maintain myths, the best example I can give to you is the marine engines ( inboard or I/O ) that are very special engines, in fact, thay are standard light duty automotive engines, I can testify it by the numbers of the internal parts. The difference is in the accessories that must be spark proof and spill proof, the camshaft that is " marine" grind ( very similar to RV grind ) and cooling loop that is different from a regular automotive application including water jacketed exhaust manifolds.
very good topic
very good video
Thanks very much. Lots of good discussions on this subject
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Sometimes I watch your videos on autoplay and it always ends up on that diversco video. You telling that guy that he doesn't operate the big machinery because he's not human always cracks me up😂😂😂 "I see you have loads of stuff in Kevin's favourite colour... hot pink"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You might get old but your sense of humour never fades😂😂😂 that video's so damn funny
Thanks very much for the feedback. My friends at Diversco loved it and asked me to come back for more fun.
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I disagree with some of what you’re saying here. PADI has an Equipment Specialist Specialty that’s a great way to both satisfy the Customer’s desire for personal gear maintenance AND make money for the LDS.
And if a Customer is interested in further knowledge they might be a great addition as a new Tech once they’ve been sent to a course!
I agree that everyone should take an equipment course to know more about how their gear works, but not to service it. Life saving equipment is not something an amateur should touch, one a pro.
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It is tough when in a country where you can't find a tech.
Maybe train to become a service tech and help all your divers.
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Alec, one facet of equipment DIY ‘training’ for divers you didn’t mention is the PADI ‘Equipment Specialist’ Cert that local dive shops offer. This does not train a diver to service or rebuild equipment, but does train a diver to build a save a dive kit and perform field repairs that otherwise would end the planned day of diving: o-ring replacement, hose changeouts, quick bcd fixes etc. etc. To use your analogy, kind of like learning to change a tire on a car… it’s a good skill to have.
The reason I didn't mention the PADI course, which I taught for many, many years, is it's not really gear service but gear understanding. No one adjusts the first stage IP or replaces a single key part but they do learn about hoses, fins, replacing mask straps. Lots of good feedback on this subject so thanks for the comment.
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so basically you would give false hopes to the customer, just so you don't have to say no, thats very unprofessional. I spent thousands of euros on diving equipment at my local dive shop, I would be mad at the owner if he cheated me like that, over time I sent him dozens of new customers, he would not only lose me as a customer but also all the other customers I referred there and hundreds of future ones because I would say that he is a fraud. If he said no, and than reason why, that would be ok with me.
Not false hope but eduction to show them reg service is not like changing a shower faucet, it is a life saving device, you life. In addition to the parts, training, experience and many specialized tools (ie a magnelelic meter), you need focus without disturbances. No one interrupts a heart surgeon mid procedure to leave and check on a coughing patient. This is why you rarely hear of diver injuries from gear serviced by a pro. Finally, if a customer invested so much to be truly a competent service pro, why not work for the LDS then and expand into other brands which makes you and employee.
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@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter when I worked on my first stage (Apeks DST) I was very focused and careful, I put fifth pourt on two DST first stages on my own and tested they work grait no problems, I want to service my regulator brand and know how it works. I don't want to work in dive store becouse its not enough money, and I'm not interested in other regulator brands. My friend went to "profesional" he took dive tank to have it serviced, and guy didn't change valve neck o ring, if I service my gear I know what is done to it, I like knowing that specialy if I'm 80m- 90m deep. And in my dive club we have only apeks regulators and 95% of divers have their own Apeks regulators.
I wish I got the floating air pump instead of a tank much better for fun.
The hookah thing?
What does that have to do with this video?
Ok.
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