@@skolarii If I'm not mistaken this was because the image(s) in question were "manipulated", that is they were quite substantially enlarged in order to be able to "discern" the actions/behaviour of the defendant. And pictures were still not at all "clear", and since they were ""Zoomed in and enlarged"" naturally a certain ratio of the pixels were NOT captured by the camera (drone video), but rather were "created by the interpreting software". And "in a nutshell" it was this that made the judge "throw out" SOME of the "photographic evidence", though some was allowed. At least that is how I understood it, but if You know differently I'd be interested to take part of Your information and knowledge about it. Best regards.
@@acberkowitzIt was really nothing. The judge was just dumb & the lawyers involved were just dumb. The prosecutors presented the "zoomed in & enlarged" version of the photograph, the defense objected & the judge accepted the objection because apparently, "zooming in" on an image makes it "manipulated". They basically said if you can't see something without zooming in, you can't use it. Like, seriously!
Cameras are not allowed because Samsung's facility is full of dismantled products from competitors. Every product category bearing an uncanny resemblance to the competition that preceded it doesn't come for free.
I love it when you guys just go off the rails. David and Ellis were so stressed about what is a photo and then there's Andrew cracking jokes and teasing David hahaha never change guys
27:05 That Do it! part was the funniest thing I have heard in a long time.. The wait, the tone, the slight hesitation, the delivery were incredibly good I laughed outloud multiple times. Thank you Ellis..
The photo not photo debate reminded me of the "ceci n'est pas une pipe" artwork form Magritte 🇧🇪 (1929) where the painting is just a drawing of a pipe with a writing that says "this is not a pipe". Because it's actually a 2D drawing representation of a pipe....
I just keep seeing these colour wheels on my phone feed and scroll past, wondering WTF is all this about??!! Didn't know it was some new RUclips masterplan to f*ck with our feeds even more!! 😜
@@josh44026 Yes. He said that he was exhausted that week because of the Vision Pro videos. And loosing some trivia questions to David and Andrew didn’t help either 😊.
Hey. Philosopher here. I've never researched the topic. But if you're interested. You can watch me postulate on photos... A photo is real insomuch as it is an accurate representation of a moment in time. Everyone has a different perspective of the moment and each lense, sensor, person, or film has a different reproduction of that moment in time. But no matter what. That moment was captured. And the quality of the photo can then be assessed. More post processing brings that photo further away from the original. And/or sometimes depending on the photographer they can edit the photo so that it looks even closer to the way the photographer saw the moment from their perspective. But no matter which way you process the photo. There once was a moment in time that was captured and that is the essence of a photo.
Why is the RUclips thumbnail color sorting a thing before being able to sort your RUclips Music playlists by artist, title, etc. Very backwards priorities on RUclips/Google's part
I watch a lot of comedy videos, but haven't laughed as much as I did during your conversation about 'what a photo is' in ages. Thanks for the great laugh!😂
I gotta give it to you Marques, you’d make a really good scientist and/or epidemiologist. Your analysis of the RUclips’s new multi thumbnail metric and the its pitfalls is really critical and well thought through 👍
Light hitting the sensor when it's off still CREATES an image, but that image is not picked up/recorded by anything. Just like a pinhole camera, where the "sensor" is just the back wall of the box, there is an image there, but it's not captured permanently. The key here is the lens (optical element) in the process, that creates the picture (eyes, camera lenses, or the hole in the pinhole camera), that is what renders the image, after that is just a capturing process, be it film or a photo-diode, and that's where different methods come into play, so even a film stock is not the original image, because each type uses a slightly different chemical composition, altering the colours and exposure already.
For VR headsets, you want the Pixels Per Degree metric _(PPD)._ Quest 2 had 20, Quest 3 has 25 and iFixit estimates the Apple PPD at 34, so a pretty huge boost of 36% improvement, but it's not orders of magnitude different. The OLED displays + PPD improvement really separates it from a lot of other headsets from a visual quality perspective.
I totally agree with that Samsung guy. The moment a modern digital camera captures a photo it's heavily processed: - Picture profiles - Auto white balance - Active D-Lighting (Nikon) - Portrait impression balance (Nikon) - The way skin colors are handled in green colored environments (leaves, grass, trees) (was he running or was he sick?) - Surely Canon, Fuji, Sony have similar image improving steps that alter reality. More so concerning smartphone cameras: - Each night shot is a composite of multiple shots - Heavy noise reduction maybe deletes small objects like letters or hole writings on a sign or a wall. - Nobody knows how a smartphone or AI handles different parts of the photo individually after hitting the shutter button. With 10 different cameras you will end up with 10 different pictures and you won't be able to say how the scenery's lighting really was if you weren't there yourself.
It would be cool if Gemini becomes capable enough to just let you decide what you want the trigger name to be. So you could say Hey "Google","Bard", "Gemini", etc. or whatever you'd like and it can still trigger the action.
Purist agree with David on photos are film old school. I think photos also include digital as long as it only processed to give you the best version of what you are seeing. Any altering or post process photoshopping, AI manipulation or filtering that fundamentally changes the image from reality are a different category of photo. Filters like black and white and sepia are okay but manipulations, art work, and other types of photos are not real because they are not what was observed. We still call them photos because they started as this but they should be called altered images. It is all just down to technicalities, definitions, and philosophy.
I think the new metric for VR will be “ppd” or pixels per degree. So a combination of field of view and resolution. By that metric an iPhone’s Retina display is much higher (as it, in fact, appears to be).
I have Gemini advance and you can set the new app to replace your Google Assistant but it doesn't necessarily replace your Google Assistant. It just when I trigger my assistant between many different ways that you can accomplish that. It goes through Gemini first and then It determines does it need to handle what I'm asking or does it need to delegate that to the assistant. It's awesome!
And it's horrible at delegating. I tried it and it was super glitchy. Uninstalled the app and went back to Assistant. I'm on the Pixel 8 Pro too. Kinda disappointed because I was wanting to have a conversation with a LLM with the convenient integration of Assistant.
@@CapCannoli what do you mean It's horrible at delegating? If I ask it something like set a timer for 25 minutes It sets a timer for 25 minutes, but it shows a little flag icon or toast notification if you will showing that the assistant did that. If I ask it something like a complex math problem or pretty much anything else that just requires an answer rather than a task it needs to complete on my phone the answer is given to me from Gemini and if it's a task that needs to be completed on my phone like set a timer or a calendar thing or other things like that the Google Assistant handles that. It does it beautifully.
@@CapCannoli also, I believe it's the pixel 8 Pro that is glitchy or buggy not necessarily integrating Gemini with the assistant. I'm using the Google pixel 7 with AP21.240119.009.
@@bl5843 I asked it to play a song and to launch an app. Neither command worked. Both times it told me that it couldn't control my devices. It also wouldn't listen after I said "Hey Google." It would launch at the bottom like Google Assistant but stop listening immediately. It would only work if I hit the microphone button to talk into it, then launch into the Gemini app. Also, never had any glitches with the phone before Gemini, and now that it's gone assistant is working fine.
I'm using the Galaxy s20 ultra and I have Gemini and it has replaced the assistant app. I got to say it's delegating well on my phone and has worked just as well if not better than assistant. I am really loving it so far and so excited to see how far it goes. I live my life with Google Assistant helping out and it's so far NOT a downgrade
Andrew, Ellis, and David going on a pedantic rant with the “what even is a picture?” tickles my brain so much! “Color isn’t real.” I see you, David! Bluejays aren’t blue 😉
49:48 Shared experiences already exist in Apple Vision Pro. It's left with app developers to integrate those experiences. Anyone who have watched some of the developer videos on Apple Vision Pro released in June 2023 knows what they are.
Not only can you not control home devices with Gemini, you also can't use Gemini if you use Google Assistant instead. I just want to be able to ask assistant to turn on my lights AND ask Gemini questions when I want.
The Samsung exec maybe trys to say that all the photos you take with electronic sensors never show reality how it actually was. Our eyes can perceive more brightness levels than any display can show (thats why tonemapping is a thing). Since no photo you see on a display is even close to reality and only an approximation of reality I can understand where the thought "there are no *real* pictures" might come from.
Regarding that “new” RUclips thumbnail colour sorting feature, I had access to it for probably the second half of last year but it recently disappeared. I’m in Canada so I wonder if we were among the first to test the feature.
Not sure if maybe mine is different, but I installed the Gemini app, and saying 'Hey Google' activates Gemini and also allows for all my google assistant tasks (smart devices, routines, etc.) to work. It seems to me Gemini can be a full replacement of Google assistant
I feel like veritasium tends to undersell his thumbnail. For exactly his last video was just "blue LEDs are hard to make" but ended up being a very interesting video (as always)
I feel like the categorization of videos by RUclips is a psychology thing. Personally I'm more aligned to clicking a video with a red /orange thumbnail. So, I think they were actually uo to something. Not that they were bored as you guys say Viewer's choice to click on a video is heavily influenced by the thumbnail Color is definitely major influence.
Clearly I am the only person in the world who does not care what a thumbnail shows, the video description is what makes 99% of my decision the thumbnail is literally just a reference point in my brain as have a I seen this video before
29:14 I like Wikipedia’s definition: “A photograph (also known as a photo, image, or picture) is an image created by light falling on a photosensitive surface, usually photographic film or an electronic image sensor”. To Marques’s “if the sensor is off, nothing is created” argument I would say that if the sensor is off, then it is no longer a photosensitive surface. Hence, the definition stands.
Why doesn’t Apple allow users when prompted to say “hey Siri” to use any phrase that they would like to use.. That would also function a bit like a personal password.
"Bard" felt really good as a brand name, as it evoked something you could have a conversation with, that told you new things "Gemini" felt good for their knowledge model, as it evoked the idea that it was different versions of the same model. And it could change and adapt to Gemini 2, or another new model name, without muddying up the branding for their conversational endpoint
Explainer for 21:29 - DeepMind's Chinchilla was a "compute-optimal" language model. Before Chinchilla, LLM Scaling was heavily inclined towards increasing the 'model size' (i.e. no. of parameters) and relatively less inclined towards increasing the dataset size used for Training the model. So, basically if you have 4 times the amount of 'compute' resources, it was like multiply the model size by ~3.5 and dataset size by ~1.2. With Chinchilla, they corrected this by balancing the model-size v dataset size choice. So, post Chinchilla it was proven that if you have 4 times the amount of compute, you could 2×modelsize and 2×dataset size and achieve a more optimal result. Conclusion: LLM performance improves as we increase model size, dataset size and amount of compute used for training. For optimal performance, all 3 factors must be scaled up in tandem.
49:31 pinning windows is great but also, imagine making pinned windows public for other vision pro users. Like, at the studio, shared pinned windows floating with chats, announcements for others in specific spots. Can be a great way to reward perks.
Perhaps since this is a death of Bard episode, you should have asked Gemini "what is a photograph". "A photograph is a type of picture created by capturing light with a camera. Light reflects off objects and is focused by the camera's lens onto a light-sensitive surface, either film or a digital sensor. This process creates a chemical or electronic record of the scene, which can then be reproduced as a visible image. Photographs can be realistic or abstract, depending on the photographer's intent and technique."
So, as a creator who has, y'know, 1/10,000th the subs as the main channel, Test & Compare/A/B testing is something I've wanted for years. At my size, and maybe the crew can reflect on this too, my subscription base is so small that CTR is misleading. CTR and watch time can be amazing, but, counter-intuitively, that can lead to YT not offering impressions to the video because only my subscriber base is clicking through and watching it and non-subs aren't clicking on it at all, leading to distorted stats. It's frustrating to not have enough data to be able to optimize without skating directly into clickbait territory with titles and thumbnails and instead having to gamble with totally different concepts and hope that catches the eyes of non-viewers.
A photograph is what we consider a captured moment in time, whether the image is processed, altered or left untouched. It is a graphic, created by the absorption of photons and then made into something we can practically use.
@32:00 @Marques The point being made for a photo definition was before digital photos. The light landing on paper or film brings it back to the 35mm days. When the light hits the film it has the original photo, and from there you can edit it how you wish.
How do these guys know each other. I obviously know marques. David I think mentioned he used to write for gsm arena. Does anyone know the backstory of this podcast coming to be?
Now that I think about it, I got the red blue green filter on youtube about 3 months ago and I never used it which disappeared after a survey from youtube. nobody asked but I felt like saying it.
“Push to Pass” is something they use in Indycar. Every driver gets about 150-200 seconds per race. F1 uses DRS, or also an overtake button that allows the driver to use battery energy to overtake or defend a position. Cool to see Porsche using something similar!
I actually think that color thing COULD be good if you can sort a Creator's page not just the front page, because then creators could kinda color code their content by type, for example (if you guys had everything on one channel) you could do like red for reviews, blue for podcasts, etc and it would be easier for viewers to organize
The RUclips color feature is really helpful when you are bored af and not sure what to watch. I have been using it for a couple of days, and it looks fun
I hope Apple enables focus mode, like when you are at home, you can toggle the Home mode, so that all the virtual displays suddenly just be shown around your home (where you set them up), it also applies to work, like when you are in the office, enable Office Mode, then all apps that you set up will just open. Apple can just use location to notify the user what focus mode to enable, then they will call this machine learning, but it works, both marketing and user experience.
Summary of the podcast: RUclips is messing around, Google messes up their naming again, Top samsung ex and biggest tech youtube talk about what photos are, more apple vision pro stuff and car stuff
A photo - Regardless of the mechanics used to capture it, is a collection of pigments, pixels, etc. that when viewed represents a moment in time that means something to the observer and may allow that observer to experience something about that moment.
Before digital cameras were invented. Taking a photo was just a matter of physics. After digital cameras came about. The gained the capacity to be digital altered. You have photos but and they you have a sub category of digitally altered photos
1:09:20 take this with a huge grain of salt but I think the reason for the Taycan having an extra button is because for the duration of pressing the button it is overloading the motors. You can actually do this with a special kind of electric motors. But because its overloading you can obviously only do it for a short time. But I have no idea if thats actually the case. Thats the first thing I thought of though
Honestly, the right question isn’t “what’s a photo” but “what is an edited photo / an acceptable level of editing in photos”. I think we know what photos are. What we can’t agree, is what is an acceptable level of manipulation in photos, and at what threshold we should be informed that the photo is edited.
A photo is a process of capturing reflected information. Either through photosensitive emulsion or through a charge coupling device used in digital photography
The fascinating thing about the RUclips color filter is that I am actually MORE INCLINED TO CLICK on any given video, regardless of subject, if I’m viewing through the filtered feed. My guess is that this plays off of a psychological phenomenon that’s similar to Ad Blindness, where each thumbnail looking totally disparate from its surroundings causes the brain to tune them all out as noise or to lose interest faster. When all of the thumbnails are visually cohesive, it becomes more recognizable as the thing you’re interested in**, reducing overstimulation and putting you in a lower-stress, more willing-to-click mindset. ** By “the thing you’re interested in,” I mean “content to consume” as a whole, not even any single topic, since the range of topics covered by the filtered feed is just as diverse as the unfiltered feed. It just LOOKS like it’s all part of the same whole, whereas in the main feed each video is very clearly unrelated to the ones around it. The visual discordance of the main feed may serve as a subconscious reminder of the vast array of content available to you, leading to the Netflix Effect (my terminology - spending an hour choosing something to watch and then just turning it off) and Decision Paralysis, which the visual continuity of the filtered feed combats and makes any single video seem more approachable.
Having now listened to the rest of their segment on this, I think a clear distinction they missed (because they run a huge RUclips channel so obviously they’re approaching it through the lens of “how can we use this to optimize our own channel performance?”) is that the color filtering seems to me to be a feature with the goal of improving site-wide clickthrough rates, NOT aimed at helping individuals channels optimize their thumbnails. Unless all the big channels want to get together and start coordinating thumbnail colors so that the normal unfiltered feed has more homogeneity, I think RUclips just wants people to keep doing what they’re doing while RUclips messes around with how they get people to watch as many videos as possible.
Oh, I saw that colour thing to do. I assumed it showed me it because I'd been looking for specific searches with the colour red listed in the search string.
In the beginning when they started talking about PPi, i took a magnifying glass to my 15 Pro Max since thats what they were talking about. And then it switched to meta quest footage. And ironically the screen door effect i got with the magnifying glass looked the exact same as my quest 2
Imagine showing photo evidence on court and the opposing lawyer rejects it with "Photo isn't real."
That argument was used in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial and the judge accepted it and excluded photo evidence from the trial
@@skolariireally, do you remember what it was specifically, bc I don't remember that happening
"As said by technology expert Marques Brownlee in so and so episode of Waveform podcast". They will be citing the show in court haha!
@@skolarii If I'm not mistaken this was because the image(s) in question were "manipulated", that is they were quite substantially enlarged in order to be able to "discern" the actions/behaviour of the defendant. And pictures were still not at all "clear", and since they were ""Zoomed in and enlarged"" naturally a certain ratio of the pixels were NOT captured by the camera (drone video), but rather were "created by the interpreting software". And "in a nutshell" it was this that made the judge "throw out" SOME of the "photographic evidence", though some was allowed.
At least that is how I understood it, but if You know differently I'd be interested to take part of Your information and knowledge about it.
Best regards.
@@acberkowitzIt was really nothing. The judge was just dumb & the lawyers involved were just dumb. The prosecutors presented the "zoomed in & enlarged" version of the photograph, the defense objected & the judge accepted the objection because apparently, "zooming in" on an image makes it "manipulated". They basically said if you can't see something without zooming in, you can't use it. Like, seriously!
Andrew at 27:07 "You're manually breathing." I was working and had to stop for a break
I'm mad that I got got by a man in a podcast lol
Lmaoo that got me too 🤣
Andrew has some epic one-liners. 😂
This was perfect 🤣
Just wanted to say that I appreciated Adam's dad joke after Ellis said "it's a meta decision" at 30:07
Me too!
I hate that NO ONE acknowledged it
it was acknowledged by me and it was hilarious 🤣
"ELLIS IS STRESSED" 😂 28:32
Its the funniest thing ever😂😂
- You can't take photos inside our Samsung facilities...
- What is a photo?!
so photo leaks of a product are not leaks because photos are not real and it did not violate a non disclosure agreement, right? RIGHT? XD
Cameras are not allowed because Samsung's facility is full of dismantled products from competitors. Every product category bearing an uncanny resemblance to the competition that preceded it doesn't come for free.
@@tonyhawk123you don’t understand irony?
@@tonyhawk123 imagine being you
@@tonyhawk123it's more that it's full of military hardware lol.
23:48 - 33:43
Most chaotic part ever and I'm all here for it!😆❤️
I love it when you guys just go off the rails. David and Ellis were so stressed about what is a photo and then there's Andrew cracking jokes and teasing David hahaha never change guys
1:06:12 "are you rapping?" Got me crying 😂
"We're not taking photos, we're living life" is iconic haha
27:05 That Do it! part was the funniest thing I have heard in a long time.. The wait, the tone, the slight hesitation, the delivery were incredibly good I laughed outloud multiple times. Thank you Ellis..
"Samsung said so!" got me rolling further 😂😂
😭
“You’re now manually breathing”🤣🤣
Brain: interprets mix of colours as white and magenta
Ellis: Let's go fill Moomin valley with crime!
The photo not photo debate reminded me of the "ceci n'est pas une pipe" artwork form Magritte 🇧🇪 (1929) where the painting is just a drawing of a pipe with a writing that says "this is not a pipe". Because it's actually a 2D drawing representation of a pipe....
Didn't realize that youtube color thing was being tested on random people. I got that the other day and was like "who the hell thought of this"
I just keep seeing these colour wheels on my phone feed and scroll past, wondering WTF is all this about??!! Didn't know it was some new RUclips masterplan to f*ck with our feeds even more!! 😜
I first got it months ago.
.... and I liked it. Showed me better videos than the main feed.
Digital photos are not real.
I didn't think it was thumbnail colour related, I've been ignoring it on my feed for a month now. Might check it out now 🔴🔵🟢
Marques is much more relaxed than the previous trivia episode. Refreshingly relaxed 😊
"Marquise" 💀
Oops! Marques 😊
you mean trivia finale
@@josh44026 Yes. He said that he was exhausted that week because of the Vision Pro videos. And loosing some trivia questions to David and Andrew didn’t help either 😊.
The difference in IQ between Marques and the others is soo huggeee! I don't know how he keeps himself sane around these jokers.
You went from "No such thing as a photo" to "Commit crimes" real quickk
Hey. Philosopher here. I've never researched the topic. But if you're interested. You can watch me postulate on photos...
A photo is real insomuch as it is an accurate representation of a moment in time. Everyone has a different perspective of the moment and each lense, sensor, person, or film has a different reproduction of that moment in time. But no matter what. That moment was captured. And the quality of the photo can then be assessed.
More post processing brings that photo further away from the original. And/or sometimes depending on the photographer they can edit the photo so that it looks even closer to the way the photographer saw the moment from their perspective. But no matter which way you process the photo. There once was a moment in time that was captured and that is the essence of a photo.
Well said
@@iroar5982 thanks!
Took the words right out of my mouth 😁
Why is the RUclips thumbnail color sorting a thing before being able to sort your RUclips Music playlists by artist, title, etc. Very backwards priorities on RUclips/Google's part
Or even be able search songs in a playlist on mobile
54:29 caught David slip one through 😂
I noticed that too, was looking for anyone else who did
I would seperate the word "photo" and "image". So what the sensor captures as raw data is the photo, and after that it is turned into an image.
If that's the case, then I'd like my phone to save both, so I have the reference as well as the result.
I watch a lot of comedy videos, but haven't laughed as much as I did during your conversation about 'what a photo is' in ages. Thanks for the great laugh!😂
The RAW image before the processing is the photo. Simple as that.
I gotta give it to you Marques, you’d make a really good scientist and/or epidemiologist. Your analysis of the RUclips’s new multi thumbnail metric and the its pitfalls is really critical and well thought through 👍
Light hitting the sensor when it's off still CREATES an image, but that image is not picked up/recorded by anything. Just like a pinhole camera, where the "sensor" is just the back wall of the box, there is an image there, but it's not captured permanently. The key here is the lens (optical element) in the process, that creates the picture (eyes, camera lenses, or the hole in the pinhole camera), that is what renders the image, after that is just a capturing process, be it film or a photo-diode, and that's where different methods come into play, so even a film stock is not the original image, because each type uses a slightly different chemical composition, altering the colours and exposure already.
For VR headsets, you want the Pixels Per Degree metric _(PPD)._ Quest 2 had 20, Quest 3 has 25 and iFixit estimates the Apple PPD at 34, so a pretty huge boost of 36% improvement, but it's not orders of magnitude different.
The OLED displays + PPD improvement really separates it from a lot of other headsets from a visual quality perspective.
This is the notification I wanted. UK, it's the weekend, and the Waveform is my start! :).
"Are you rapping?" 😂😂😂😂
Literally laughed out loud
This is the notification I wanted. UK, it's the weekend, and the Waveform is my start! :)
Hey Matt!!!
Haha same, always the highlight of my Friday afternoon. Weekend starts now!
Same in Australia!
@@peekabooicancu Aussie, Aussie, Aussie…
I totally agree with that Samsung guy.
The moment a modern digital camera captures a photo it's heavily processed:
- Picture profiles
- Auto white balance
- Active D-Lighting (Nikon)
- Portrait impression balance (Nikon)
- The way skin colors are handled in green colored environments (leaves, grass, trees)
(was he running or was he sick?)
- Surely Canon, Fuji, Sony have similar image improving steps that alter reality.
More so concerning smartphone cameras:
- Each night shot is a composite of multiple shots
- Heavy noise reduction maybe deletes small objects like letters or hole writings on a sign or a wall.
- Nobody knows how a smartphone or AI handles different parts of the photo individually after hitting the shutter button.
With 10 different cameras you will end up with 10 different pictures and you won't be able to say how the scenery's lighting really was if you weren't there yourself.
"We're not taking photos, we're living life" - Ellis (2024)
It would be cool if Gemini becomes capable enough to just let you decide what you want the trigger name to be. So you could say Hey "Google","Bard", "Gemini", etc. or whatever you'd like and it can still trigger the action.
"boy, what's the weather outside"
Purist agree with David on photos are film old school. I think photos also include digital as long as it only processed to give you the best version of what you are seeing. Any altering or post process photoshopping, AI manipulation or filtering that fundamentally changes the image from reality are a different category of photo. Filters like black and white and sepia are okay but manipulations, art work, and other types of photos are not real because they are not what was observed. We still call them photos because they started as this but they should be called altered images. It is all just down to technicalities, definitions, and philosophy.
I think the new metric for VR will be “ppd” or pixels per degree. So a combination of field of view and resolution. By that metric an iPhone’s Retina display is much higher (as it, in fact, appears to be).
That's been a metric for VR for quite some time now, it just hasn't caught on outside of the VR market.
@@VaalkinTheOnly Yes, I was trying to be diplomatic in striking down the ppi comparison.
Are podcasts real? 🤔
I have Gemini advance and you can set the new app to replace your Google Assistant but it doesn't necessarily replace your Google Assistant. It just when I trigger my assistant between many different ways that you can accomplish that. It goes through Gemini first and then It determines does it need to handle what I'm asking or does it need to delegate that to the assistant. It's awesome!
And it's horrible at delegating. I tried it and it was super glitchy. Uninstalled the app and went back to Assistant. I'm on the Pixel 8 Pro too. Kinda disappointed because I was wanting to have a conversation with a LLM with the convenient integration of Assistant.
@@CapCannoli what do you mean It's horrible at delegating? If I ask it something like set a timer for 25 minutes It sets a timer for 25 minutes, but it shows a little flag icon or toast notification if you will showing that the assistant did that. If I ask it something like a complex math problem or pretty much anything else that just requires an answer rather than a task it needs to complete on my phone the answer is given to me from Gemini and if it's a task that needs to be completed on my phone like set a timer or a calendar thing or other things like that the Google Assistant handles that. It does it beautifully.
@@CapCannoli also, I believe it's the pixel 8 Pro that is glitchy or buggy not necessarily integrating Gemini with the assistant. I'm using the Google pixel 7 with AP21.240119.009.
@@bl5843 I asked it to play a song and to launch an app. Neither command worked. Both times it told me that it couldn't control my devices. It also wouldn't listen after I said "Hey Google." It would launch at the bottom like Google Assistant but stop listening immediately. It would only work if I hit the microphone button to talk into it, then launch into the Gemini app.
Also, never had any glitches with the phone before Gemini, and now that it's gone assistant is working fine.
I'm using the Galaxy s20 ultra and I have Gemini and it has replaced the assistant app. I got to say it's delegating well on my phone and has worked just as well if not better than assistant. I am really loving it so far and so excited to see how far it goes. I live my life with Google Assistant helping out and it's so far NOT a downgrade
Oh, now it's Friday
Andrew, Ellis, and David going on a pedantic rant with the “what even is a picture?” tickles my brain so much!
“Color isn’t real.” I see you, David! Bluejays aren’t blue 😉
Two computers walk into a Bard...and bartender asks: "are you gemini?"
No, I'm Leo, give me a drink..!! 😜
49:48 Shared experiences already exist in Apple Vision Pro. It's left with app developers to integrate those experiences. Anyone who have watched some of the developer videos on Apple Vision Pro released in June 2023 knows what they are.
Not only can you not control home devices with Gemini, you also can't use Gemini if you use Google Assistant instead. I just want to be able to ask assistant to turn on my lights AND ask Gemini questions when I want.
The Samsung exec maybe trys to say that all the photos you take with electronic sensors never show reality how it actually was. Our eyes can perceive more brightness levels than any display can show (thats why tonemapping is a thing). Since no photo you see on a display is even close to reality and only an approximation of reality I can understand where the thought "there are no *real* pictures" might come from.
Bard was a cuter name
I'm with Andrew "Bard is better" 22:09
Regarding that “new” RUclips thumbnail colour sorting feature, I had access to it for probably the second half of last year but it recently disappeared. I’m in Canada so I wonder if we were among the first to test the feature.
Not sure if maybe mine is different, but I installed the Gemini app, and saying 'Hey Google' activates Gemini and also allows for all my google assistant tasks (smart devices, routines, etc.) to work. It seems to me Gemini can be a full replacement of Google assistant
really?
the way David pronounces 'weekeepedia' is adorable
"can you explain this?"
Ellis: "No!"
lol I was laughing audibly
For the RUclips color thing. A creator could color code there videos so a channel with different types of content could easily sort there video type
Playlists?
The photo conversation has forever changed my life. 😂 Although, some would argue that perhaps Samsung has changed my life...through you guys. 🤔
I feel like veritasium tends to undersell his thumbnail. For exactly his last video was just "blue LEDs are hard to make" but ended up being a very interesting video (as always)
I stumbled upon this red green blue feature the other day, not going to lie. Blue is my favorite. Red is a little aggressive
I liked green a lot!
Focus modes make so much sense for what Marques is talking about at 47:30
Fun Fact about Samsung. Samsung group also has a construction company (Samsung C&T) which built the Burj Khalifa.
Andrew: I loved your comment about the Vision Pro dropping when trying the immersing Car Play in the Tycan. Great and funny comment
I feel like the categorization of videos by RUclips is a psychology thing. Personally I'm more aligned to clicking a video with a red /orange thumbnail. So, I think they were actually uo to something. Not that they were bored as you guys say Viewer's choice to click on a video is heavily influenced by the thumbnail Color is definitely major influence.
Clearly I am the only person in the world who does not care what a thumbnail shows, the video description is what makes 99% of my decision the thumbnail is literally just a reference point in my brain as have a I seen this video before
29:14 I like Wikipedia’s definition: “A photograph (also known as a photo, image, or picture) is an image created by light falling on a photosensitive surface, usually photographic film or an electronic image sensor”. To Marques’s “if the sensor is off, nothing is created” argument I would say that if the sensor is off, then it is no longer a photosensitive surface. Hence, the definition stands.
Why doesn’t Apple allow users when prompted to say “hey Siri” to use any phrase that they would like to use.. That would also function a bit like a personal password.
I really enjoyed the "what is a photo" discussion. Its completely unproductive, but amusing and interesting discussion.
No better feeling than coming home and seeing that the new Waveform episode is out
les goooo I’m watching this and after the trivia finaleee! 🎉
Loved the "what is a photo" segment 😂 was a lot of fun... *existential crisis*
"Bard" felt really good as a brand name, as it evoked something you could have a conversation with, that told you new things
"Gemini" felt good for their knowledge model, as it evoked the idea that it was different versions of the same model. And it could change and adapt to Gemini 2, or another new model name, without muddying up the branding for their conversational endpoint
i love the fact that samsung just triggered a communications theory class conversation between them for 15 minutes
That meta discussion about photos was hilarious.
Explainer for 21:29 - DeepMind's Chinchilla was a "compute-optimal" language model. Before Chinchilla, LLM Scaling was heavily inclined towards increasing the 'model size' (i.e. no. of parameters) and relatively less inclined towards increasing the dataset size used for Training the model. So, basically if you have 4 times the amount of 'compute' resources, it was like multiply the model size by ~3.5 and dataset size by ~1.2. With Chinchilla, they corrected this by balancing the model-size v dataset size choice. So, post Chinchilla it was proven that if you have 4 times the amount of compute, you could 2×modelsize and 2×dataset size and achieve a more optimal result. Conclusion: LLM performance improves as we increase model size, dataset size and amount of compute used for training. For optimal performance, all 3 factors must be scaled up in tandem.
49:31 pinning windows is great but also, imagine making pinned windows public for other vision pro users. Like, at the studio, shared pinned windows floating with chats, announcements for others in specific spots. Can be a great way to reward perks.
Perhaps since this is a death of Bard episode, you should have asked Gemini "what is a photograph".
"A photograph is a type of picture created by capturing light with a camera. Light reflects off objects and is focused by the camera's lens onto a light-sensitive surface, either film or a digital sensor. This process creates a chemical or electronic record of the scene, which can then be reproduced as a visible image. Photographs can be realistic or abstract, depending on the photographer's intent and technique."
So, as a creator who has, y'know, 1/10,000th the subs as the main channel, Test & Compare/A/B testing is something I've wanted for years.
At my size, and maybe the crew can reflect on this too, my subscription base is so small that CTR is misleading. CTR and watch time can be amazing, but, counter-intuitively, that can lead to YT not offering impressions to the video because only my subscriber base is clicking through and watching it and non-subs aren't clicking on it at all, leading to distorted stats. It's frustrating to not have enough data to be able to optimize without skating directly into clickbait territory with titles and thumbnails and instead having to gamble with totally different concepts and hope that catches the eyes of non-viewers.
A photograph is what we consider a captured moment in time, whether the image is processed, altered or left untouched. It is a graphic, created by the absorption of photons and then made into something we can practically use.
@32:00 @Marques The point being made for a photo definition was before digital photos. The light landing on paper or film brings it back to the 35mm days. When the light hits the film it has the original photo, and from there you can edit it how you wish.
How do these guys know each other. I obviously know marques. David I think mentioned he used to write for gsm arena. Does anyone know the backstory of this podcast coming to be?
Could RUclips work on 5.1 audio rather than color sorting thumbnails? smh.
Happy Friday everyone!
You all are quickly becoming my favorite podcast. Just recently stumbled across this.
Now that I think about it, I got the red blue green filter on youtube about 3 months ago and I never used it which disappeared after a survey from youtube.
nobody asked but I felt like saying it.
27:05 Just had to repeat this part over and over again.
Best one yet from this podcast. 👏😂
I also got the RGB RUclips sorting, wouldn't have noticed it if you haven't mentioned it, honestly never noticed any of the sorting trends before. 😅
“Push to Pass” is something they use in Indycar. Every driver gets about 150-200 seconds per race. F1 uses DRS, or also an overtake button that allows the driver to use battery energy to overtake or defend a position. Cool to see Porsche using something similar!
Drs isn’t battery the wing changes angle for less (or more I can’t remember) downforce so you can go faster in the drs zones
❤❤Thanks for covering across the board❤❤
I actually think that color thing COULD be good if you can sort a Creator's page not just the front page, because then creators could kinda color code their content by type, for example (if you guys had everything on one channel) you could do like red for reviews, blue for podcasts, etc and it would be easier for viewers to organize
The RUclips color feature is really helpful when you are bored af and not sure what to watch. I have been using it for a couple of days, and it looks fun
I hope Apple enables focus mode, like when you are at home, you can toggle the Home mode, so that all the virtual displays suddenly just be shown around your home (where you set them up), it also applies to work, like when you are in the office, enable Office Mode, then all apps that you set up will just open. Apple can just use location to notify the user what focus mode to enable, then they will call this machine learning, but it works, both marketing and user experience.
You guys should do a deep dive on professional sports broadcasting tech! Cameras, live setups and software. That'd be fascinating!
Agreed
46:26 “THIS!” is exactly what I envisioned when they first debuted the Vision Pro!
43:18 the best video is the one with the guy driving the Cyber truck wearing vision Pro and tapping with his fingers😂
Picture - any paper or cloth in a frame.
Photo - anything that captures a moment in time using light
Image - any kind of static digital file
i've actually ended up experiencing the colour filter twice now. was a surprise though, but it doesnt change much.
Summary of the podcast: RUclips is messing around, Google messes up their naming again, Top samsung ex and biggest tech youtube talk about what photos are, more apple vision pro stuff and car stuff
A photo - Regardless of the mechanics used to capture it, is a collection of pigments, pixels, etc. that when viewed represents a moment in time that means something to the observer and may allow that observer to experience something about that moment.
I wish RUclips would add a continue watching section in history or something. It pops up once and a while but it’s never consistent
Before digital cameras were invented. Taking a photo was just a matter of physics. After digital cameras came about. The gained the capacity to be digital altered. You have photos but and they you have a sub category of digitally altered photos
1:09:20 take this with a huge grain of salt but I think the reason for the Taycan having an extra button is because for the duration of pressing the button it is overloading the motors. You can actually do this with a special kind of electric motors. But because its overloading you can obviously only do it for a short time.
But I have no idea if thats actually the case. Thats the first thing I thought of though
I am going to choose to believe that photos do exist in every capacity so I keep my sanity 😂😭
1:19:59
"The rivian r1 is the fastest reversing car ive driven"
Rimac navera rn:
Honestly, the right question isn’t “what’s a photo” but “what is an edited photo / an acceptable level of editing in photos”. I think we know what photos are.
What we can’t agree, is what is an acceptable level of manipulation in photos, and at what threshold we should be informed that the photo is edited.
A photo is a process of capturing reflected information. Either through photosensitive emulsion or through a charge coupling device used in digital photography
The fascinating thing about the RUclips color filter is that I am actually MORE INCLINED TO CLICK on any given video, regardless of subject, if I’m viewing through the filtered feed.
My guess is that this plays off of a psychological phenomenon that’s similar to Ad Blindness, where each thumbnail looking totally disparate from its surroundings causes the brain to tune them all out as noise or to lose interest faster. When all of the thumbnails are visually cohesive, it becomes more recognizable as the thing you’re interested in**, reducing overstimulation and putting you in a lower-stress, more willing-to-click mindset.
** By “the thing you’re interested in,” I mean “content to consume” as a whole, not even any single topic, since the range of topics covered by the filtered feed is just as diverse as the unfiltered feed. It just LOOKS like it’s all part of the same whole, whereas in the main feed each video is very clearly unrelated to the ones around it. The visual discordance of the main feed may serve as a subconscious reminder of the vast array of content available to you, leading to the Netflix Effect (my terminology - spending an hour choosing something to watch and then just turning it off) and Decision Paralysis, which the visual continuity of the filtered feed combats and makes any single video seem more approachable.
Having now listened to the rest of their segment on this, I think a clear distinction they missed (because they run a huge RUclips channel so obviously they’re approaching it through the lens of “how can we use this to optimize our own channel performance?”) is that the color filtering seems to me to be a feature with the goal of improving site-wide clickthrough rates, NOT aimed at helping individuals channels optimize their thumbnails. Unless all the big channels want to get together and start coordinating thumbnail colors so that the normal unfiltered feed has more homogeneity, I think RUclips just wants people to keep doing what they’re doing while RUclips messes around with how they get people to watch as many videos as possible.
Oh, I saw that colour thing to do. I assumed it showed me it because I'd been looking for specific searches with the colour red listed in the search string.
In the beginning when they started talking about PPi, i took a magnifying glass to my 15 Pro Max since thats what they were talking about. And then it switched to meta quest footage. And ironically the screen door effect i got with the magnifying glass looked the exact same as my quest 2