When describing the special insight Galadriel had into others' character, I think perhaps the word that might fit would be discernment. Discerning is a specific kind of insight, one that can see a person's weaknesses and strengths, and sometimes through that a person''s motives and nature. Excellent video. Thanks for all your hard work.
I've just thought of something when listening to you at 31:15. The One ring must have proved an even more tremendous temptation to Galadriel than having a ring of power would ordniarily be to anyone given the things you've pointed out here i.e. her long desire to rule her own kingdom *and* her long and wonderful use of Ninya (is that it's name) with which she had wrought Lothlorien. She would have been threatened by the seductive notion that with the One ring she could create even more wonderful forests, glades, and flowers, etc. Moreover, she knew that to reject the ring and help Frodo meant the ruination of much that she worked for and loved. Sadly, for me at least, the way Peter Jackson dealt with this momentous part of the story, with Galadriel transforming into a maniacal witch figure with a distorted voice, was so over the top that it made it unlikely that any viewer would be in the correct frame of mind to fully comprehend her dilema and what it must have taken for her to refuse the ring and 'diminish'.
7:30 I seem to think I read somewhere that Tolikien was aware of that mistake with Celeborn and in his notes he fixed it by turning the one Celeborn into two different elves by that name.
It's not she is more humble when gimli asked. If she was not pretty humble enough, she herself demonstrates in the movie what might have happened to the middle earth. It's gimli s approach, aim and not being a jerkiness while wanting a body part from someone. Don't forget, we are talking about someone claimed to be the greatest of elves, only maybe after feanor(might be the wrong name, it's the elvish davinci/einstein guy). The "maybe" there is yes not to imply that she was the first (maybe), but damn sure implies they were toe to toe enough for there to be a small but still there suspicion about the question in question. The guy after making the silmarils, and the trees being killed(in coma?), refused giving silmarils to revive light (and thus protection against dark forces including melkor) to the earth. I don't give an anything for him gifting anything else he makes to everyone else. yes he might have codified written language and many may use it. But immortals who never get senile and are never shown to forget something really needing written language and noone but feanor is being capable of making signs to demonstrate ideas and or words is laughable so it's not as good a gift. As if he could "not give" it. An alphabet only the creator of it knows is.....basically nothing. And all other useful things are nowhere near as important as reviving the two trees. Besides everyone was gifting what they did or made around there wasn't it? Giving was not his good point, everyone did it. She saw that in the guy. One can gift a gold diamond dress to ones wife and by just one wording while doing that can insult her to the hell. But one can gift a more humble! thing but by showing them that they really were listening what's wanted/needed may as well have given their spouse the world. I personally never could imagine feanor asking for her hair, by really asking. He sounds more like the mad scientist who just grabs everything he saw that he could use never thinking about anything about unnecessary things like how to obtain properly "when he is in the grabs of invention lust". Not always obviously. Whereas glorfindel gave his life so more refugees could escape alive. And, Mandos treated him as his gift/life was worth.
Around min 22 w regard to Elrond & Celebríans marriage date you mention it’s not quite clear when that happens. I have to reference where I think I’ve read this. But I could have sworn in the early appendix after return of the king it mentions she was kidnapped @ redhorn pass, then becomes so disconsolate she had to leave middle earth. I feel like I remember there being a mention of “they had only been married for X amount of years” or something like that? Something to lament their short time together. I will look now. I’m sure if anyone knows it’s you though
Certainly some of these contradictions were character developments over the years but I think as likely as not some were left in because the history of any character has more than one story line depending on who is telling the story. Imagine the Lord of the Rings as an autobiography. How would the story differ? Who then would be hero and villians? I give you The Screwtape Letters as an example. (Excellent reading) I think in the final analysis Tolkien may have had a private laugh with the riddles he left. At least I hope so.
Everything from letters and the like, known and hidden in a floorboard somewhere is still cannon because HE wrote it. But yes, i still love here and the more the better with Tolkien. ;3
No, that defeats the idea of canon in the first place. By that logic, Beren is both a man and an elf in canon, since he was first written as an elf in The Lost Tales, only to eventually become a man by the time of The Silmarillion.
Personally, I think Jackson over extended his rights with author Tolkien's masterpiece distorting the character of Galadriel and created his own version of who she was, more in line with the contemporary view of women as needing males to lean on when threatened by evil. He did the same with Eowyn having her cower and shake with incapacitating fear in battle and reliant on the hobbit for help which is not how Tolkien wrote these characters at all. Galadriel was written as a powerful and magical warrior with great wisdom and dignity and Eowyn was written as a coldhearted and severe Valkerie. Of course his addition of an elf falling in love with a dwarf completely and without respect or understanding hacked Tolkien's distinctive racial and physical characteristics, beliefs, and behaviors making a mockery of the story and a laughingstock out of the cultures in Middle Earth.
boy if anyone wants a real challenge take a shot every time he says 'depending on which version of the story you read' Let us know if you survive that!
Greetings from a fellow tolkien geek. BUT, it is TeLEri and not TEleri and Galadriel is a Noldo, not a Noldor (plural). It is like saying that Lincoln is americans and not american. Frodo went to the West not because he took the place of Galadriel or Arwen but because through using the Ring he was affected by the soul and power of an Ainu, Sauron (Maeron), the same as Bilbo and Sam.
Based on the rules in the LOTR appendices, TEleri is certainly the correct pronunciation. Noldor was a slip of the tongue so good catch. And yes, Frodo goes because of the ring but Galadriel in her farewell song speaks of him going as if in her place.
I very rarely comment on vids but I have been waiting for this vid since I found your channel brilliant
When describing the special insight Galadriel had into others' character, I think perhaps the word that might fit would be discernment. Discerning is a specific kind of insight, one that can see a person's weaknesses and strengths, and sometimes through that a person''s motives and nature.
Excellent video. Thanks for all your hard work.
No, she had telepathy. A power. Not merely the ability to distinguish compare and discern.
She's not a god damn therapist yikes 😬 lol
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I've just thought of something when listening to you at 31:15. The One ring must have proved an even more tremendous temptation to Galadriel than having a ring of power would ordniarily be to anyone given the things you've pointed out here i.e. her long desire to rule her own kingdom *and* her long and wonderful use of Ninya (is that it's name) with which she had wrought Lothlorien. She would have been threatened by the seductive notion that with the One ring she could create even more wonderful forests, glades, and flowers, etc. Moreover, she knew that to reject the ring and help Frodo meant the ruination of much that she worked for and loved. Sadly, for me at least, the way Peter Jackson dealt with this momentous part of the story, with Galadriel transforming into a maniacal witch figure with a distorted voice, was so over the top that it made it unlikely that any viewer would be in the correct frame of mind to fully comprehend her dilema and what it must have taken for her to refuse the ring and 'diminish'.
The fact that Galadriel could definitely beat me up only makes me like her more
7:30 I seem to think I read somewhere that Tolikien was aware of that mistake with Celeborn and in his notes he fixed it by turning the one Celeborn into two different elves by that name.
Been waiting for this one! Great work man.
New sub. Always glad to support a fellow Tolkienist! Good job bro!
You did not cover her tutelage with Melian and the attack on Lorien. But otherwise, good documentary on her
My favorite character, thank you.
It's not she is more humble when gimli asked. If she was not pretty humble enough, she herself demonstrates in the movie what might have happened to the middle earth. It's gimli s approach, aim and not being a jerkiness while wanting a body part from someone.
Don't forget, we are talking about someone claimed to be the greatest of elves, only maybe after feanor(might be the wrong name, it's the elvish davinci/einstein guy). The "maybe" there is yes not to imply that she was the first (maybe), but damn sure implies they were toe to toe enough for there to be a small but still there suspicion about the question in question. The guy after making the silmarils, and the trees being killed(in coma?), refused giving silmarils to revive light (and thus protection against dark forces including melkor) to the earth. I don't give an anything for him gifting anything else he makes to everyone else. yes he might have codified written language and many may use it. But immortals who never get senile and are never shown to forget something really needing written language and noone but feanor is being capable of making signs to demonstrate ideas and or words is laughable so it's not as good a gift. As if he could "not give" it. An alphabet only the creator of it knows is.....basically nothing. And all other useful things are nowhere near as important as reviving the two trees. Besides everyone was gifting what they did or made around there wasn't it? Giving was not his good point, everyone did it. She saw that in the guy. One can gift a gold diamond dress to ones wife and by just one wording while doing that can insult her to the hell. But one can gift a more humble! thing but by showing them that they really were listening what's wanted/needed may as well have given their spouse the world. I personally never could imagine feanor asking for her hair, by really asking. He sounds more like the mad scientist who just grabs everything he saw that he could use never thinking about anything about unnecessary things like how to obtain properly "when he is in the grabs of invention lust". Not always obviously.
Whereas glorfindel gave his life so more refugees could escape alive. And, Mandos treated him as his gift/life was worth.
I love your work. And great accent.
Around min 22 w regard to Elrond & Celebríans marriage date you mention it’s not quite clear when that happens. I have to reference where I think I’ve read this. But I could have sworn in the early appendix after return of the king it mentions she was kidnapped @ redhorn pass, then becomes so disconsolate she had to leave middle earth. I feel like I remember there being a mention of “they had only been married for X amount of years” or something like that? Something to lament their short time together. I will look now. I’m sure if anyone knows it’s you though
She’s one of the most interesting character in LOTR
Excellent video. Where did you get those sword plaques for Anduril and Glamdring?
Came with the swords, which came from The Noble Collection.
Tolkien Lore nice, I always forget about the noble collection since lots of people and myself have united cutlery swords
Great video
Certainly some of these contradictions were character developments over the years but I think as likely as not some were left in because the history of any character has more than one story line depending on who is telling the story. Imagine the Lord of the Rings as an autobiography. How would the story differ? Who then would be hero and villians? I give you The Screwtape Letters as an example. (Excellent reading) I think in the final analysis Tolkien may have had a private laugh with the riddles he left. At least I hope so.
I believe that Celebrimbor may have been an unsuccessful suitor to Galadriel.
Everything from letters and the like, known and hidden in a floorboard somewhere is still cannon because HE wrote it. But yes, i still love here and the more the better with Tolkien. ;3
I hesitate to say it’s all canon, since much of it is contradictory, but certainly it’s more authoritative than fan fiction. :)
No, that defeats the idea of canon in the first place. By that logic, Beren is both a man and an elf in canon, since he was first written as an elf in The Lost Tales, only to eventually become a man by the time of The Silmarillion.
Personally, I think Jackson over extended his rights with author Tolkien's masterpiece distorting the character of Galadriel and created his own version of who she was, more in line with the contemporary view of women as needing males to lean on when threatened by evil. He did the same with Eowyn having her cower and shake with incapacitating fear in battle and reliant on the hobbit for help which is not how Tolkien wrote these characters at all. Galadriel was written as a powerful and magical warrior with great wisdom and dignity and Eowyn was written as a coldhearted and severe Valkerie. Of course his addition of an elf falling in love with a dwarf completely and without respect or understanding hacked Tolkien's distinctive racial and physical characteristics, beliefs, and behaviors making a mockery of the story and a laughingstock out of the cultures in Middle Earth.
Ralph Lorian
boy if anyone wants a real challenge take a shot every time he says
'depending on which version of the story you read'
Let us know if you survive that!
Greetings from a fellow tolkien geek. BUT, it is TeLEri and not TEleri and Galadriel is a Noldo, not a Noldor (plural). It is like saying that Lincoln is americans and not american. Frodo went to the West not because he took the place of Galadriel or Arwen but because through using the Ring he was affected by the soul and power of an Ainu, Sauron (Maeron), the same as Bilbo and Sam.
Based on the rules in the LOTR appendices, TEleri is certainly the correct pronunciation. Noldor was a slip of the tongue so good catch. And yes, Frodo goes because of the ring but Galadriel in her farewell song speaks of him going as if in her place.