As a fan of domestics for the last 25+ years, I have got to admit the sound of that motor is heavenly. How could you not love that sound? I think I'm slowly creeping to the dark side (JDM)
Just wonderful. I remember, back when I've learned as a mechanic, one of the vocational teachers said that at around 6500-7000RPM in most combustion engines the valves start to chatter etc. and it's not healthy..."but that doesn't count for Honda engines. I don't know how, but they manage to do more" He said that with a smile of course :D
@Richard Harrold ah.. if thats case i think most stock japan performance engine have 7k+ rpm capability... -Honda vtec -nissan SR neo vvl -mitsubishi mivec -subaru jdm ej20 sti with single avcs -toyota 3sge beam/2zz But i do agree honda set the trend and benchmark with their early b16a... And their engine design highly efficient (everything were built and specced like it was meant for racing)
Before they made cars they were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer of the world and in motorcycles, as you have to know, engines rev way more higher than in cars. So valve chattering for VTECs or Type Rs isn't any thing.
This type of motor don't have lifters (flat tappet, solid or roller). Other than non hi perf types lifters and springs suffer from float out. Rocker arm activates valve and cam, no pushrod.
I raced on the nurburgring a few years ago with my friend's honda civic ek4 b16a2 with over 480,000 km on the odometer, original engine, no tuning, absurd to still be able to pull the rev limiter with so many km. one of the best engines ever built!
My dc2 had over 200,000 miles on it and was a UK factory stock car. On the Dyno it made 190bhp. That's crazy considering its age and milage as they were only 190 ish new.
I think he actually struggled to accommodate the different engine and gearing. But he's such an amazing driver and he usually adapts very quickly to what would take me years to learn
Fast? No, but fun? Yes! edit: My EP3 is still going, around 328.000km at this moment. Take care of the engine by warming up(and oil changes ofc) and it will last a long time!
Lot's of misinformation in these comments. The VTEC point 6100 is correct for the B16B engine, it can of course be lowered with a remap, usually to around 5200 optimally. VTEC controllers on their own are useless as they lower the VTEC point without adjusting the fuelling. Honda keep the VTEC point deliberately high for an agressive cam change over, which is sub optimal but a fun selling point. The car likely hasn't lost any power, it's hampered by low torque and longer gearing from the S4C box. Also having a passenger makes a huge difference in these, Misha would have had a better time driving alone. For the Nurburgring an EUDM or JDM 98 spec DC2 integra with an extra 200cc and the shorter geared S80 box would probably be a better experience, though the B16B is fun in it's own right. They're quite amazing engines really, what other manufacturer can build an engine that lasts so long at those RPMs without ever having to be opened. I'll bet this one likes a good drink of oil though 😀
Wahayyy finally someone who knows what they're on about😅 oil usage isn't horrific but of course it does burn some. It was a champ the week we were there using .4l in 1600 miles over the whole trip
@@Dzero4 haha that's not bad. The B16B I had in my EF would use a litre on a track day and belted some smoke out. Still made 186hp though and never broke 😂. I miss the engine to be honest, replaced with K20 which is much faster but certainly less fun. By the way I went from the 4.4 S4C to a 5.1 final drive with my B16B and the impact in performance was incredible, would definitely reccomend that
The VTEC point on all my B series Hondas was around 6200 stock. My 1991 EG6 SiR and 92 EG6 SiR II would engage VTEC around 6 grand. My 1997 EK9 would engage VTEC around 6 grand, and my 1996 DB8 ITR engages VTEC around 6 grand. Also, I wouldn't say an S4C has longer gears as the gear ratios in the S4C was the B series standard at the time. The S4C has the exact same gear ratios as the Y21 and '96 spec ITR S80 transmission. The problem is that both the B16B and the B16A have absolutely nothing to offer below 6 grand and the 4.4 final is just too long of a final drive ratio for the engines to be any fun. the 4.7 final drive completely changes them. With that said, I'd rather just swap the final drive in a 96 spec S80, S4C, or Y21 (with a diff change obviously), cause the 98 spec S80 has the longer 3-5 which kinda sucks the fun out of the 4.7 final.
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I have an FN2 type R with over 240,000 miles (~386,000km) and it still doesn't skip a beat... Bought it as a cheap run around while I bought a house. The K20 is a masterpiece of an engine. I can't quite believe it's not dead yet. Redline it basically every time I take it out 🤣
I'm driving a 1.8 petrol and consider to return to hothatches with an FN2 (maybe a WCE to have an LSD). The price of euro Civic are are rising to a point i can sell my facelif 8 gen 1.8 petrol the same price i bought it 3.5 years ago with 50.000km less. I don't need to add any oil between oil changes (10000-15000 miles) NOTHING. In the end overkill engineering and reliabilty has a price. I also ride another old Honda, but it's a 2 stroke 1994 250CR. And...yes reliable.
🤩 thank you so much for posting this Misha. My good friend had one like this but in super mint condition, the whole feel of the driving experience in this car is unexplainable. I am sure you understand what the meaning when Vtec kicks in 😁 you don't only feel it but hear the scream
I love this era of Honda. Instead of just mashing the pedal in an automatic car with lots of power down low, you have to be incredibly aware of your momentum, your weight, your revs, what gear you're in, and how much speed you can carry through the corner. It's stuff you can forget about slightly when you have so much power to compensate for any lack of driving ability. I would love to see this guy come back with some more modifications done, or even a turbo and let Mischa go out again. And since these cars are so sensitive to weight, possibly let him go alone. You guys with low powered cars know what I'm talking about. Even a child slows you down. 😆
Excellent content. It's amazing to see a car that everyone can afford that survives longer than any one of the hypercars could possibly hope to. Thank you very much for this video.
In Australia they are a minimum of $40k AUD for a genuine EK9. Even a povo pack EK hatch in terrible condition and high k's are for sale around $5-10k.
@@desirabledrives44 how much was it when it was brand new? How much is a Ferrari Lamborghini Pagani etc etc brand new? Can you get 320,000 Km on any of them without spending the equivalent of another two or three brand new ones in keeping it running?
@@DavidMiller-yc5ol to my knowledge we never got them as a brand new car. They only came in as a JDM import. The other cars you mentioned have all gone up in price substantially even as used vehicles. As an example a Lamborghini Gallardo could be purchased a few years ago for under $150k. The same year model now is around $200k AUD. We are waiting 12-18 months to buy a new Hyundai i30N and I saw an advertisement a few days ago with someone asking nearly $80k for the facelift version. R34 GTR Skyline was around $50k a few years ago but that's now doubled or tripled. A mint 2011 champ white FN2 civic type R was $15k but now closer to $25-30k. Diesel fuel is now $2.40 a litre but it was the 2nd cheapest fuel a few years ago.
Sounds great. Miss my B16b. They are best when modded, full intake, exhaust and a remap and there is less lag before crossover, mine made 194hp on stock internals. I never got bored of revving it out to 8800RPM.
90's engines last forever. My e36 has 303.000 km and everyone that has ridden in it thought it pulled great, even people that are used to e36's and know what a stock m50b25 in good health feels like thought it pulled hard for what it is.
@@chrismills9346 Hehe if you take care of it really well, it can last long as well (its a honda bro), but naturally aspirated hondas are something different :)))
@@exenvanogert4284 Dang that's a lot, especially given the M54 sometimes has ring issues ? I guess you did not follow Long Life oil intervals and changed the oil more often, like you would on the older engines ?
The interesting thing is that if you really shift at 8.6, you seem to stay above the 6.1 vtec limit. So if you are below the vtec limit it's worth downshifting.
@@benmann6323 yes but the trans don't look to be the original type R the original one is super short ratio and it's at 4k rpm in 5 gear at highway speed And the engine look to be really tired normally type R engine need ring at 100k mile And the JDM ecu got a hard cut at 180km/h
Bumped into the owner of this car on the day he got back from Nurburg. Saw him at bicester heritage as I was snooping around his car. Really nice guy and I love the ek9 type R!
Mooie video Mischa! Volgens mij is er niks mis met de Vtec de techniek is juist om hem continu in de Vtec te houden. Dus gewoon keertje vaker terug schakelen, kan die wel hebben. Gave auto verder echt een legend!
Enjoying getting to see laps in all sorts of modified cars. Civic Type Rs, Mitsubishi Evos, BMWs, Fiesta STs, Subarus, Porsches, Volkswagens! Each with their own character. These videos remind me of The Smoking Tire One Take videos for anyone familiar with those. But these are like a better evolution because you can explore the car's limits a bit more vs on a "normal" public road. Thanks for sharing.
10:36 Thanks for asking that question. No way was it doing 100km/h while being pushed. Watching the speedo doing those speeds while saying 100 Km / h was mind boggling to say the least. I’m going to look for that model of Honda Civic or probably a bit newer when I take my sons to the Nurburgring.
My old 07 Si has 230k miles and my nephew beats on it constantly. Just got the clutch changed because the way he drives. You maintain them and they will last a very long time.
VTEC Kicked in moment at 9:23. Anyway with that kind of mileage, capability maybe Apex can have one of these in their taxi lineup. The maintenance savings would be massive! 😁😁
God I miss my B-series Civic EG9 when watching this 😁 Also, this car with a final drive ratio somewhere around 4.7 instead of stock 4.4 would be a weapon around Nurburgring! Have to use all the rev range at all times though 😄 Stock it's aimed more towards tracks like Tsukuba with tight 2nd gear corners.
If you watch the old Japanese best motoring videos where they raced these and the DC2s around Tsukuba they beat the living shit out of them with downshifts. They were press cars driven by racing drivers though. Their rule seemed to be if it was in the soft cam profile for even a split second, they'd downshift. Even if they landed somewhere 300rpm below redline. You can see the VTEC switches pretty much exactly at where it will land after the most aggressive possible gear change in the previous gear.
Hi Misha, a legend on green hell, she has just finished her engine break-in 😝💯, my ek4 vti at 329,000 km and my ep3 at 210,000 km, outstanding reliability if regular maintenance 🔥🔰
to any honda fan this is what heaven sounds like. That scream of vtec never gets old I love how he was pushing 9K on shifts. Exactly how vtec Hondas love to be driven at redline! Having Vtec engage at 4500-5000 RPM would help a bunch for the lap
Great content as always Misha. Testament to how the engines were put together and the regular oil changes and maintenance the Owners have given it. Think you just need abit more seat time in a car like that to get to know gearing and driving style etc… Vtec must be kept on the boil. If you also had the opportunity (with owners permission ofcourse) to take it out solo you would also see great improvement on pick up. These cars really have very little torque and are effected by extra weight or even when A/C is switched on. They are over 20 years old mind. My DC2 (owned since 2008) is a real joy to drive around the Ring and UK tracks. Keep up good work!
Yup watching old best motoring and hot version videos its so fun to see the drivers keeping it right between 6-8.5k revs for a whole lap 😁😁 they are wild and fun engines, but they need to be in that rev range to perform. The newer K powered 6 speed Hondas are easier to keep in that band
Supports and proves what I have told people for over a decade that these engines not just B16s but all B, D, F, H etc of the 80s and 90s are near indestructible. The distance covered by a unit ultimately depends not on the engine but on how much care is given and how long the owners interest lasts. Many units outlasts the owners interest, driving life and still making the rounds around the car scene with different owners/cars/country and still factory sealed.
The vtec crossover sounds great even on a engine with this mileage. With hondas you have to change your driving style a bit where as to stay in its top powerband you have to rev all the way out to stay in vtec and constantly downshift to the highest possible rpm. The cars dont have any low end power as the low end is for fuel efficiency and vtec kicks on the additional cam lobe allowing for the valves to open more creating additional power
@@MikkoRantalainen Just from the way it accelerates through the gears and having owned a few B series vtec Hondas Usually the piston rings would be degraded at this mileage It still runs well though 👍
Very nice, would be nice to see some other Type R's such as a EP3. Also a 2000 car from the UK is rare to not be rotten. I also like the addition of the pedal camera. 👍
My Rsx Type S block gave out 279,000 miles Tuned on Hondata to a 8600 rpm rev limit. Really impressive considering how much I abused it 😅....put another block that has 148,000 miles. Runs like a champ.
Just sold my ep3, 253,000 miles on the clock. I was using it for track days with red line every time. Unbelievable that it was still taking that abuse and running really sweet. Original cam chain so those of you that panic at 100,000 and think it needs changing, don’t worry!.
Would love to get one of these and rebuild it. Looks like this one is missing a few horses😅. But bravo for keeping it stock and very impressive it still can do the ring with that mileage👏.
And the transmission doesn't look like it's the stock one you not supposed to get below VTEC after a shift it almost look like a ls trans with the tall gearing
@@TheTechnoaddict no vtec is perfectly fine It was working perfectly the guy just can't drive or like a said it not the original transmission and why it go lower that vtec at shift
@@TheTechnoaddict how can you say that you can clearly hear it a 6k The guy can't drive and was letting the engine go below 6k a drop of oil pressure at 8k would have destroyed the engine almost immediately But like a said it look like it not the original transmission and it a ls trans and not the close ratio transmission that come stock with a type R It should drop like 2k between shifts and it was more like 3k drop at shift and why it was going out of vtec especially at corner exist because of this and he was not downshifting enough and not shifting at red line
Before an EP3, I had an EK4, apart from a bigger radiator, completely stock, even the intake, it's slightly less powerful, the chassis is less rigid, than the EK9, but I would say it's still better to drive, than the EP3. With the gearing I never had issues, it always stayed in the VTEC zone, changing at 5500 RPM. And the engine sound, even with a stock-ish rear muffler, sound better than a stock EP3. Actually, my mother is missing the noise of that car :D Stock suspension is also very capable, it's kinda soft, but the body doesn't roll much, and under load the rear starts to "turn" nicely. Also, the engine had 330000km in it, and it was never been rebuilt.
finaly a honda, i love the sound, i got a fully build all motor FG2 to 300 whp with type r final drive. those eks really miss a 6 speed gear box to have a good power range to lap on the nurb, but i am sure if u lap the car alone it would of been a world of a diff cause of the power to weight ratio. my vtec was at 5900 stock now its at 4750 with a 9500 rpm redline and it helped a ton with some cams etc.
Yeah, with the gearbox in the EK, a lower VTEC activation would've helped a lot. 300 all motor is impressive, must have a lot of internal work done to get there
@@VanishingPoint96 yes fully built K20 refreshed engine cam stage 2 valve spring retainers full bolt on runing on a gaz mix with bigger fuel pump and injectors with a ported intake direct in the head light on some nankang AR-1, but stock piston and rod.i do better time on a small track then my friend almost stock 565hp 2019 gtr.
Fit a 4.9 final drive. Or if you want to get fancy use the integra dc2 98 1-3 gears and keep your ek9 4- 5 gears. Coupled with a 4.9 or 5.1 final drive. Will transform it and it will stay in vtec range Ek9 and 96 jdm dc2 have the same gearbox specs just different case number IDs . S80 4.4fd is dc2 96 jdm S80 4.7fd is dc2 98 euro and jdm and s4c 4.4fd is ek9 .
98 spec 1-3 are the exact same gears as the EK9. The 98 spec uses the longer 4-5 gears from the GSR (Si VTEC/ Integra SiR in Japan). So really, all you accomplished with your recommendation was giving a shorter final drive. 4.9 final is way too short and you're constantly rowing through the gear box. I had a 10,000 RPM rev limit on my EG6 with Toda VTEC Killer cams and the 4.9 final was godawful. I can't even imagine how bad it'd be with a lower rev limiter. Anything higher would be much, much worse. 4.7 final is the perfect final drive for an N/A B series.
I love this car and that engine! If I ever wanted to do an engine swap in my Honda Jazz GK5, it would be the B16B series, instead of the more popular K20, which is also cool, but the noise and music from the B16B is really what dreams are made of 🙂
My first car was a white 92 prelude 2.3L non vtec still great engine though. It had 490,000km and besides burning a small amount of oil it still ran perfectly no issues at all through its entire life i related the alternator once lol I swapped it out for a used but low km 2.2L vtec bc i wanted to do some mods but why do it on the high mileage H23A1 it's better to start with the H22 obviously. Drove it for another 7 years after the swap. I think it ended up around 330HP (no dyno numbers just guessing by adding each parts avertised gains). The body had like 700,000km or more not sure the speedo was unplugged when I finally retired the old girl. What a great car so reliable and I beat the living hell out of it and I even drove it through the Canadian winters certain years when i had to. I also had a 91 integra that has a similar story of insane punishment and mileage 😄 and now my girl is a 2007 white Acura TL- aspec with this buttery smooth 6speed and i just live this car so much words dont describe, like the seats and comfort level plus the power and looks and it was cheap! Honda engines are just incredible. Been a fan since my first 50cc Honda dirtbike as a little guy can you tell? 😆
This will sound impolite, but if Misha didn't have a big passenger on board he would feel a MASSIVE difference in the drivability of the car. Having had two DC2 Integra Type-Rs, I used to dread when people wanted passenger rides at trackdays, as it really dulls the way the car feels, as they're so light, any weight makes a big difference.
See you can be experienced in so many different cars....but to fully understand VTEC...only experienced VTEC drivers know where to shift. But knowing Mischa...give him one for a day....
My k24 accord at 220k miles got k20 head/ oil pump plus 421and 3inch exhaust 😅going strong like there's no tomorrow 😂😊. Proper service and maintenance its the key for Hondas❤
Awesome lap, as a owner of a k20z3, its really impressive that 320.000km, the owner took care of the engine... I don't know why honda changed the vtec engagement to 6.100rpm at the B16B, the b16a's are at 5.500, it would help a lot at this ocasion!
Even if you have to downshift at a higher rpm to keep the vtec engaged, I think vtec needs to be at around 5500 like the stock engine, maybe even lower for a track like this.
My civic has a b18c4 in the vtech kicks in around 5600rpm and still pulls hard as hell at 130 000 miles. Absolutly adictive sound. I would this chaps vteck kicks in a little later than normal and seems to stugglr to get passed 100mph . Might be the age but would love to see misha in a stock dc2!
Just to add ....1st gear 10 rev limiter hits then second maybe 2 limiter hits the rest just smash those gears if it's not screaming your not doing it right...vtech yooooo🤣🤣 Great video Misha thank you 👍
10:15 HAHaha so freakin awesome, just the engine poorin' its heart out at 7500 RPM like "yeah we're going climbing hooraaaay" :D Sounds awesome, what a weird nugget of an engine :)
CTR gearing is shorter than this, isn't it? Also, looks like there may be some sort of oil pressure issue why VTEC is doing that. It only cuts off after long hard sweeping turns (was it just me or only right turns?) Love seeing a Honda on track 🫡
It was a good lap, however the ek9 didn't come with shorter gearing, only the later model dc2 ITR came with the 4.7fd. Ek9 retained the 4.4. And no oil issues, just the factory crossover of 6.2k is rather high especially on the inclines with no torque. Definitely room to improve the car for next season
May need an Accusump for track use. IE-extended high G cornering (fast sweepers) oil pulled away from pickup in wet sump engine. Accusump is much more affordable than a dry sump set up. Accusump hold oil in a pressurized cylinder, when pressure drops, it triggers and pushes 10-15 seconds of oil into the pump. VTEC requires oil pressure, if it drops the ECU closes the VTEC solenoid .
@@davcap7816 The EK9 does not. The EK9 has the exact same gear ratios as the EG6, EK4 SiR, and 96 Spec ITR. The 4.4 final drive is just too long for B16s and they have absolutely nothing to offer below 6 grand.
Could def do with a remap. I used to have slightly modded b16a1 and it benefited from Vtec starting at 4800. Im not sure why all Honda engines have their Vtec pulled so further in the rev range. I presume its cause the vtec kick is more pronounced.
As a fan of domestics for the last 25+ years, I have got to admit the sound of that motor is heavenly. How could you not love that sound? I think I'm slowly creeping to the dark side (JDM)
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...that is THE JDM sound...
@@diablabokchoi yessir 👉. That is true my dude
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Just wonderful. I remember, back when I've learned as a mechanic, one of the vocational teachers said that at around 6500-7000RPM in most combustion engines the valves start to chatter etc. and it's not healthy..."but that doesn't count for Honda engines. I don't know how, but they manage to do more" He said that with a smile of course :D
Honda engines mitigate this by implementing VTC cam gear phasing up to a set amount of degrees on the camshafts to ensure its not chattering.
Coz overhead camshaft...
Not pushrod egine.2/3 of valve train masses were from that pushrod,lifter and rocker arm assembly
@Richard Harrold ah.. if thats case i think most stock japan performance engine have 7k+ rpm capability...
-Honda vtec
-nissan SR neo vvl
-mitsubishi mivec
-subaru jdm ej20 sti with single avcs
-toyota 3sge beam/2zz
But i do agree honda set the trend and benchmark with their early b16a...
And their engine design highly efficient (everything were built and specced like it was meant for racing)
Before they made cars they were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer of the world and in motorcycles, as you have to know, engines rev way more higher than in cars. So valve chattering for VTECs or Type Rs isn't any thing.
This type of motor don't have lifters (flat tappet, solid or roller). Other than non hi perf types lifters and springs suffer from float out. Rocker arm activates valve and cam, no pushrod.
I raced on the nurburgring a few years ago with my friend's honda civic ek4 b16a2 with over 480,000 km on the odometer, original engine, no tuning, absurd to still be able to pull the rev limiter with so many km. one of the best engines ever built!
I am a hardcore fan of Honda, i own a S2000 but honestly, seeing the EK9 with this mileage and works perfectly... it's amazing. I love this car !
There are AP1 s2000s in the wild that are pushing over 300k miles!
i had ek4 with 350k km's engine was yet not rebuilt also was not smoking and not eating oil that much
My dc2 had over 200,000 miles on it and was a UK factory stock car. On the Dyno it made 190bhp. That's crazy considering its age and milage as they were only 190 ish new.
There 197bhp in Japan which is tested on 98 octane . Uk has 95 octane right same as ireland? Excellent figures
Uk has 95 to 100 octane
@@kip8790 I used Tesco super unleaded which is apparently 98 ron
UK DC2's have a different manifold so produce around 10bhp less@@skmotorcycles8123
Dyno isn't necessarily accurate. But the result at 190 shows that it's atleast close to the original despite it's miles
Watching Misha accommodating to VTEC and high-revving drive style - priceless. Maybe we"ll see more Hondas in the future?
I certainly hope so !
I think he actually struggled to accommodate the different engine and gearing. But he's such an amazing driver and he usually adapts very quickly to what would take me years to learn
This man has great tastes! My DC2 has 350,000km and is still going strong - sadly no ring trips for me in 2022 but I’ll be back out next year!
Fast? No, but fun? Yes!
edit: My EP3 is still going, around 328.000km at this moment. Take care of the engine by warming up(and oil changes ofc) and it will last a long time!
Does it have a vtec solenoid valve like the later ones perhaps needs cleaning out or replacing , an appreciating classic there nice 👍
My Ep3 is near to 90.000km it's like a new car🙂
@@ΝικόλαςΠαναγιάρης I wish you many playfull kilometers! Its a fun car 👍
@Chris p I dont know, but mine is from 2002
@@eddohan Wish the same mine is 06 no mods
@@ΝικόλαςΠαναγιάρης I bought mine with an LSD and I added a Stoptech bigbrake kit for track use. Good luck :)
Red line at 8,6 *proceeds to rev to 9k* 🤣
They love it lol
The hard cut is 8400 but the dials are inaccurate, its why people often think they rev to 9.
@@Booka3141 - never seen honda dials correct 😂👏👏
@@Booka3141 the hard cut is higher I can promise you that. 8.4 is the cut on a Vti/SiR civic
That vtec power baBEEE 😂
Lot's of misinformation in these comments.
The VTEC point 6100 is correct for the B16B engine, it can of course be lowered with a remap, usually to around 5200 optimally. VTEC controllers on their own are useless as they lower the VTEC point without adjusting the fuelling. Honda keep the VTEC point deliberately high for an agressive cam change over, which is sub optimal but a fun selling point.
The car likely hasn't lost any power, it's hampered by low torque and longer gearing from the S4C box. Also having a passenger makes a huge difference in these, Misha would have had a better time driving alone. For the Nurburgring an EUDM or JDM 98 spec DC2 integra with an extra 200cc and the shorter geared S80 box would probably be a better experience, though the B16B is fun in it's own right.
They're quite amazing engines really, what other manufacturer can build an engine that lasts so long at those RPMs without ever having to be opened. I'll bet this one likes a good drink of oil though 😀
Wahayyy finally someone who knows what they're on about😅 oil usage isn't horrific but of course it does burn some. It was a champ the week we were there using .4l in 1600 miles over the whole trip
@@Dzero4 haha that's not bad. The B16B I had in my EF would use a litre on a track day and belted some smoke out. Still made 186hp though and never broke 😂.
I miss the engine to be honest, replaced with K20 which is much faster but certainly less fun.
By the way I went from the 4.4 S4C to a 5.1 final drive with my B16B and the impact in performance was incredible, would definitely reccomend that
Toyota mr2 Aw 11 engines weren't bad either
The VTEC point on all my B series Hondas was around 6200 stock. My 1991 EG6 SiR and 92 EG6 SiR II would engage VTEC around 6 grand. My 1997 EK9 would engage VTEC around 6 grand, and my 1996 DB8 ITR engages VTEC around 6 grand. Also, I wouldn't say an S4C has longer gears as the gear ratios in the S4C was the B series standard at the time. The S4C has the exact same gear ratios as the Y21 and '96 spec ITR S80 transmission. The problem is that both the B16B and the B16A have absolutely nothing to offer below 6 grand and the 4.4 final is just too long of a final drive ratio for the engines to be any fun. the 4.7 final drive completely changes them. With that said, I'd rather just swap the final drive in a 96 spec S80, S4C, or Y21 (with a diff change obviously), cause the 98 spec S80 has the longer 3-5 which kinda sucks the fun out of the 4.7 final.
Вы только представьте. Этот атмосферный двигатель выдает мощность среднего современного 1.6 литрового двигателя с наддувом, при этом он проехал очень, очень много, что для любого современного двигателя с наддувом просто нереально. Хонда поистине создала шедевр👏
Misha Surprised to see Japanese Cars going past 300k kms without engine Rebuild 😂🗿. JDM for win anyday everyday all-day
I have an FN2 type R with over 240,000 miles (~386,000km) and it still doesn't skip a beat... Bought it as a cheap run around while I bought a house. The K20 is a masterpiece of an engine. I can't quite believe it's not dead yet. Redline it basically every time I take it out 🤣
I'm driving a 1.8 petrol and consider to return to hothatches with an FN2 (maybe a WCE to have an LSD). The price of euro Civic are are rising to a point i can sell my facelif 8 gen 1.8 petrol the same price i bought it 3.5 years ago with 50.000km less. I don't need to add any oil between oil changes (10000-15000 miles) NOTHING. In the end overkill engineering and reliabilty has a price. I also ride another old Honda, but it's a 2 stroke 1994 250CR. And...yes reliable.
Becuase its designed to, why do people keep asking dumb questions about honda. Its DESIGNED TOO. Jesus christ.
🤩 thank you so much for posting this Misha. My good friend had one like this but in super mint condition, the whole feel of the driving experience in this car is unexplainable. I am sure you understand what the meaning when Vtec kicks in 😁 you don't only feel it but hear the scream
I love this era of Honda. Instead of just mashing the pedal in an automatic car with lots of power down low, you have to be incredibly aware of your momentum, your weight, your revs, what gear you're in, and how much speed you can carry through the corner. It's stuff you can forget about slightly when you have so much power to compensate for any lack of driving ability.
I would love to see this guy come back with some more modifications done, or even a turbo and let Mischa go out again. And since these cars are so sensitive to weight, possibly let him go alone. You guys with low powered cars know what I'm talking about. Even a child slows you down. 😆
Turbo lag with no turbo.
Nice! I hope to take my Integra dc2 on the Nurburgring asphalt soon too🇯🇵🫡
Excellent content. It's amazing to see a car that everyone can afford that survives longer than any one of the hypercars could possibly hope to. Thank you very much for this video.
Have a look how much a ek9 civic goes for now
In Australia they are a minimum of $40k AUD for a genuine EK9. Even a povo pack EK hatch in terrible condition and high k's are for sale around $5-10k.
@@desirabledrives44 how much was it when it was brand new? How much is a Ferrari Lamborghini Pagani etc etc brand new? Can you get 320,000 Km on any of them without spending the equivalent of another two or three brand new ones in keeping it running?
@@DavidMiller-yc5ol to my knowledge we never got them as a brand new car. They only came in as a JDM import.
The other cars you mentioned have all gone up in price substantially even as used vehicles.
As an example a Lamborghini Gallardo could be purchased a few years ago for under $150k. The same year model now is around $200k AUD. We are waiting 12-18 months to buy a new Hyundai i30N and I saw an advertisement a few days ago with someone asking nearly $80k for the facelift version.
R34 GTR Skyline was around $50k a few years ago but that's now doubled or tripled. A mint 2011 champ white FN2 civic type R was $15k but now closer to $25-30k.
Diesel fuel is now $2.40 a litre but it was the 2nd cheapest fuel a few years ago.
@@DavidMiller-yc5ol Ferrari SF90 2021 model is $1.3m. Lamborghini Huracan STO $850k. McLaren 765LT $1.6m.
Sounds great. Miss my B16b. They are best when modded, full intake, exhaust and a remap and there is less lag before crossover, mine made 194hp on stock internals. I never got bored of revving it out to 8800RPM.
Such an awesome little machine .. one of the best Hot Hatches EVER made !
90's engines last forever. My e36 has 303.000 km and everyone that has ridden in it thought it pulled great, even people that are used to e36's and know what a stock m50b25 in good health feels like thought it pulled hard for what it is.
New Honda never last long that engine shite wet timing belt 1 litre they never recommended that in the 90s
@@chrismills9346 Hehe if you take care of it really well, it can last long as well (its a honda bro), but naturally aspirated hondas are something different :)))
Just wait until you see what '90s engines can do. But honestly I've never seen a 90 foot engine so maybe it is better
@IMNOTA My 538.000km M54B25 greets you (no work done on the engine)
@@exenvanogert4284 Dang that's a lot, especially given the M54 sometimes has ring issues ? I guess you did not follow Long Life oil intervals and changed the oil more often, like you would on the older engines ?
The interesting thing is that if you really shift at 8.6, you seem to stay above the 6.1 vtec limit. So if you are below the vtec limit it's worth downshifting.
Me screaming downshift Misha everytime he's under lift🤣🤣
100 % love this guys vids and he’s a great driver but he doesn’t know what he’s doing here.
@@benmann6323 yes but the trans don't look to be the original type R the original one is super short ratio and it's at 4k rpm in 5 gear at highway speed
And the engine look to be really tired normally type R engine need ring at 100k mile
And the JDM ecu got a hard cut at 180km/h
I mean that's how it was designed
Bumped into the owner of this car on the day he got back from Nurburg. Saw him at bicester heritage as I was snooping around his car. Really nice guy and I love the ek9 type R!
Mooie video Mischa! Volgens mij is er niks mis met de Vtec de techniek is juist om hem continu in de Vtec te houden. Dus gewoon keertje vaker terug schakelen, kan die wel hebben. Gave auto verder echt een legend!
Perfect! I will bring my 300,000km VTEC EE9 over next season Misha!
I´m thinking exactly the same. My EE9 about 240.000km. Still beast and vtec kick in! :)
@@jumbojumbostatif1704 Then we should do a lap in convoy!
@@FullgasNoTraction Let´s do it! :)
@@jumbojumbostatif1704 👍 Mine's Rio Red (well it's a special faded version 😇)
@@FullgasNoTraction Mine is just red :D
Enjoying getting to see laps in all sorts of modified cars. Civic Type Rs, Mitsubishi Evos, BMWs, Fiesta STs, Subarus, Porsches, Volkswagens! Each with their own character. These videos remind me of The Smoking Tire One Take videos for anyone familiar with those. But these are like a better evolution because you can explore the car's limits a bit more vs on a "normal" public road. Thanks for sharing.
9:29 the accord coupe pulls by- and all i can do is smile. what a great era of all stars came out of honda factories in the late 80s 90s early 2000s
Probably one of the coolest car videos of this year for me....and I watch like 80% of RUclips car content
B16b the highest output naturally aspirated 1.6L to ever come out of a production car.
Phenomenal engine of its time.
Nissan had the 1.6 VZR N1 with 200 hp (Pulsar)
10:36 Thanks for asking that question. No way was it doing 100km/h while being pushed. Watching the speedo doing those speeds while saying 100 Km / h was mind boggling to say the least.
I’m going to look for that model of Honda Civic or probably a bit newer when I take my sons to the Nurburgring.
He even mentioned it is MPH not KPH
I love how he didn't tell him this until he asked. It's pretty critical info, especially since the dial says km/h. Lol
My old 07 Si has 230k miles and my nephew beats on it constantly. Just got the clutch changed because the way he drives. You maintain them and they will last a very long time.
VTEC Kicked in moment at 9:23.
Anyway with that kind of mileage, capability maybe Apex can have one of these in their taxi lineup. The maintenance savings would be massive! 😁😁
Most tuners move vtec rpm down. Smoother powerband and more average power by far.
God I miss my B-series Civic EG9 when watching this 😁
Also, this car with a final drive ratio somewhere around 4.7 instead of stock 4.4 would be a weapon around Nurburgring! Have to use all the rev range at all times though 😄
Stock it's aimed more towards tracks like Tsukuba with tight 2nd gear corners.
I have a FN2 Type R with 360K km, still runs great and likes the track!
If you watch the old Japanese best motoring videos where they raced these and the DC2s around Tsukuba they beat the living shit out of them with downshifts. They were press cars driven by racing drivers though. Their rule seemed to be if it was in the soft cam profile for even a split second, they'd downshift. Even if they landed somewhere 300rpm below redline. You can see the VTEC switches pretty much exactly at where it will land after the most aggressive possible gear change in the previous gear.
Misha needed to do the DMO shift 🤣
lmaoo
@@B__L it's a Honda as long as you don't miss third into the money shift there built to last 🤣
Amazing content! That VTEC sound makes me missed my 99 EM1.
Hi Misha, a legend on green hell, she has just finished her engine break-in 😝💯, my ek4 vti at 329,000 km and my ep3 at 210,000 km, outstanding reliability if regular maintenance 🔥🔰
to any honda fan this is what heaven sounds like. That scream of vtec never gets old
I love how he was pushing 9K on shifts. Exactly how vtec Hondas love to be driven at redline!
Having Vtec engage at 4500-5000 RPM would help a bunch for the lap
And the engine had 200k miles
Great content as always Misha. Testament to how the engines were put together and the regular oil changes and maintenance the Owners have given it.
Think you just need abit more seat time in a car like that to get to know gearing and driving style etc… Vtec must be kept on the boil.
If you also had the opportunity (with owners permission ofcourse) to take it out solo you would also see great improvement on pick up. These cars really have very little torque and are effected by extra weight or even when A/C is switched on. They are over 20 years old mind. My DC2 (owned since 2008) is a real joy to drive around the Ring and UK tracks. Keep up good work!
Yup watching old best motoring and hot version videos its so fun to see the drivers keeping it right between 6-8.5k revs for a whole lap 😁😁 they are wild and fun engines, but they need to be in that rev range to perform. The newer K powered 6 speed Hondas are easier to keep in that band
Great walk with a legend!! Thanks Mr Misha. Hope NSX R next time;)
thumb up for that rammstein shirt and that vtec :p
These EK9-R's are among my favorite of the JDM's. SUPER cool!
Supports and proves what I have told people for over a decade that these engines not just B16s but all B, D, F, H etc of the 80s and 90s are near indestructible.
The distance covered by a unit ultimately depends not on the engine but on how much care is given and how long the owners interest lasts.
Many units outlasts the owners interest, driving life and still making the rounds around the car scene with different owners/cars/country and still factory sealed.
What a glorious sound that V-TEC makes 🤤
I've been waiting for cars and laps like this!!! Ty Misha for the content! VTEC pawa
The vtec crossover sounds great even on a engine with this mileage. With hondas you have to change your driving style a bit where as to stay in its top powerband you have to rev all the way out to stay in vtec and constantly downshift to the highest possible rpm. The cars dont have any low end power as the low end is for fuel efficiency and vtec kicks on the additional cam lobe allowing for the valves to open more creating additional power
VTEC Kicks in😂😂😂 awesome car and so enjoyable!
That engine runs really nice for having over 300 000 km on the clock already!
The compression seems down,power is not normal
@@ArtVandelayOfficial That's interesting. Can you hear it from the engine sound?
@@MikkoRantalainen Just from the way it accelerates through the gears and having owned a few B series vtec Hondas
Usually the piston rings would be degraded at this mileage
It still runs well though 👍
The Nurburgring is only enjoyable if the driver knows what he's doing. The car is secondary. Nice video. Awesome driver.
Very nice, would be nice to see some other Type R's such as a EP3. Also a 2000 car from the UK is rare to not be rotten. I also like the addition of the pedal camera. 👍
My Rsx Type S block gave out 279,000 miles Tuned on Hondata to a 8600 rpm rev limit. Really impressive considering how much I abused it 😅....put another block that has 148,000 miles. Runs like a champ.
Just sold my ep3, 253,000 miles on the clock. I was using it for track days with red line every time. Unbelievable that it was still taking that abuse and running really sweet. Original cam chain so those of you that panic at 100,000 and think it needs changing, don’t worry!.
The best car for the ring, esp the feeling when you hit both vtec crossover points…by far the best car I owned was the DC2 ITR
Would love to get one of these and rebuild it. Looks like this one is missing a few horses😅. But bravo for keeping it stock and very impressive it still can do the ring with that mileage👏.
And the transmission doesn't look like it's the stock one you not supposed to get below VTEC after a shift it almost look like a ls trans with the tall gearing
@@legros731 could also be low oilpressure why the vtec is falling away.
@@TheTechnoaddict no vtec is perfectly fine
It was working perfectly the guy just can't drive or like a said it not the original transmission and why it go lower that vtec at shift
@@legros731 the vtec was fine on straights. Coming out of corners it was gone so seems like low oil pressure.
@@TheTechnoaddict how can you say that you can clearly hear it a 6k
The guy can't drive and was letting the engine go below 6k a
drop of oil pressure at 8k would have destroyed the engine almost immediately
But like a said it look like it not the original transmission and it a ls trans and not the close ratio transmission that come stock with a type R
It should drop like 2k between shifts and it was more like 3k drop at shift and why it was going out of vtec especially at corner exist because of this and he was not downshifting enough and not shifting at red line
Before an EP3, I had an EK4, apart from a bigger radiator, completely stock, even the intake, it's slightly less powerful, the chassis is less rigid, than the EK9, but I would say it's still better to drive, than the EP3. With the gearing I never had issues, it always stayed in the VTEC zone, changing at 5500 RPM. And the engine sound, even with a stock-ish rear muffler, sound better than a stock EP3. Actually, my mother is missing the noise of that car :D Stock suspension is also very capable, it's kinda soft, but the body doesn't roll much, and under load the rear starts to "turn" nicely. Also, the engine had 330000km in it, and it was never been rebuilt.
Nothing sounds like a B Series over 6k rpm!!! 😍😍😍😍😍
finaly a honda, i love the sound, i got a fully build all motor FG2 to 300 whp with type r final drive. those eks really miss a 6 speed gear box to have a good power range to lap on the nurb, but i am sure if u lap the car alone it would of been a world of a diff cause of the power to weight ratio. my vtec was at 5900 stock now its at 4750 with a 9500 rpm redline and it helped a ton with some cams etc.
Yeah, with the gearbox in the EK, a lower VTEC activation would've helped a lot. 300 all motor is impressive, must have a lot of internal work done to get there
@@VanishingPoint96 yes fully built K20 refreshed engine cam stage 2 valve spring retainers full bolt on runing on a gaz mix with bigger fuel pump and injectors with a ported intake direct in the head light on some nankang AR-1, but stock piston and rod.i do better time on a small track then my friend almost stock 565hp 2019 gtr.
Happy Birthay #CivicTypeR 25 years of Love!
Fit a 4.9 final drive. Or if you want to get fancy use the integra dc2 98 1-3 gears and keep your ek9 4- 5 gears. Coupled with a 4.9 or 5.1 final drive. Will transform it and it will stay in vtec range
Ek9 and 96 jdm dc2 have the same gearbox specs just different case number IDs
. S80 4.4fd is dc2 96 jdm
S80 4.7fd is dc2 98 euro and jdm
and s4c 4.4fd is ek9 .
Dc2 is b18c 1800cc so the makes up for the 1600cc shortfall of the b16b ek9
98 spec 1-3 are the exact same gears as the EK9. The 98 spec uses the longer 4-5 gears from the GSR (Si VTEC/ Integra SiR in Japan). So really, all you accomplished with your recommendation was giving a shorter final drive. 4.9 final is way too short and you're constantly rowing through the gear box. I had a 10,000 RPM rev limit on my EG6 with Toda VTEC Killer cams and the 4.9 final was godawful. I can't even imagine how bad it'd be with a lower rev limiter. Anything higher would be much, much worse. 4.7 final is the perfect final drive for an N/A B series.
Misha gives you that need and urge of buying a nurby car, just to go there, meet him, and enjoy the ride with him !
Just made my day man, It's been a rough one. Thank you !
Was good fun getting the hondas out together!
Thnx for joining us!
Honda: The Power of Dreams 🔰 #oldisgold
As a Civic owner, I would not change mine for anything. Well done Ranulph, looks amazing! Great IG too.
7:36, Has the same mileage as Takumi's AE86
Absolutely gorgeous Car!!! What a legend and VTEC is soo god
Right on boyzzz! I got a ep3 and will own it until over 300 000 kms 4 sure!! Love honda 4 life
Superb! Looking forward to see the new one out there as well
The first Civic type r and real one nothing more said
I owned a 200hp ek4 Civic - my favorite car till this day❤
Nice car with good sound! hope to bring my supercharged crx someday to the ring its a bucketlist thing!
Now I want a high revving old Civic.
Not used to see so many people overtaking Misha 😅
With cams/Vtec set properly, you would have smashed a lot of these guys for sure 🚗💨
Just the other day I was literally seeing if you'd done an EK9 video yet. What a good coincidence haha!
I was so confused why the speedometer was so low, but then at 10:34 it was clarified apparently it was in mph
Original 6,000 Rpm vtec sound great 👍❤
I love this car and that engine! If I ever wanted to do an engine swap in my Honda Jazz GK5, it would be the B16B series, instead of the more popular K20, which is also cool, but the noise and music from the B16B is really what dreams are made of 🙂
This car is quite popular for racing from where i live and always see them with modifications and upgrades meant for racing
It shows how good Honda car is stock 200k miles b series legend
My first car was a white 92 prelude 2.3L non vtec still great engine though. It had 490,000km and besides burning a small amount of oil it still ran perfectly no issues at all through its entire life i related the alternator once lol I swapped it out for a used but low km 2.2L vtec bc i wanted to do some mods but why do it on the high mileage H23A1 it's better to start with the H22 obviously. Drove it for another 7 years after the swap. I think it ended up around 330HP (no dyno numbers just guessing by adding each parts avertised gains). The body had like 700,000km or more not sure the speedo was unplugged when I finally retired the old girl. What a great car so reliable and I beat the living hell out of it and I even drove it through the Canadian winters certain years when i had to. I also had a 91 integra that has a similar story of insane punishment and mileage 😄 and now my girl is a 2007 white Acura TL- aspec with this buttery smooth 6speed and i just live this car so much words dont describe, like the seats and comfort level plus the power and looks and it was cheap! Honda engines are just incredible. Been a fan since my first 50cc Honda dirtbike as a little guy can you tell? 😆
This will sound impolite, but if Misha didn't have a big passenger on board he would feel a MASSIVE difference in the drivability of the car.
Having had two DC2 Integra Type-Rs, I used to dread when people wanted passenger rides at trackdays, as it really dulls the way the car feels, as they're so light, any weight makes a big difference.
See you can be experienced in so many different cars....but to fully understand VTEC...only experienced VTEC drivers know where to shift. But knowing Mischa...give him one for a day....
My k24 accord at 220k miles got k20 head/ oil pump plus 421and 3inch exhaust 😅going strong like there's no tomorrow 😂😊. Proper service and maintenance its the key for Hondas❤
I have a ep3 type r 03 with 282km still runs strong old hondas never die 🇯🇵💪
Mine has almost 350k
Stockish..so perfect. Amazing to see one in action 🤘🙏
300000+ km and still the VTEC kicks in :) But need to rev above 6k by downshift often to get fun of it.
Damn, it got overtaken by a CD accord coupe xD Still got mad love for the ek ctr. Such a cool hatch.
The guy driving the accord is insane🤣
Thanks! Haha my accord is set up for the ring and rans car is on a soft street setup
@@roadheroes2210 definitely looking to change some things for next season! For a first outing it was a lot of fun and many areas to improve👌
Awesome lap, as a owner of a k20z3, its really impressive that 320.000km, the owner took care of the engine...
I don't know why honda changed the vtec engagement to 6.100rpm at the B16B, the b16a's are at 5.500, it would help a lot at this ocasion!
the gauge is out by a bit.. he also revs to 9k, and the hard cut is at 8.4k, so thats about right at 5.5k for the vtec engage.
The B16A also has much smaller cams than the EK9 and the EK9 cams wouldn't make any usable power below 6 grand to begin with.
That flywheel kills it for me including vtec @6200.. my brain is just saying "comon, comon.. goooo..!"
Even if you have to downshift at a higher rpm to keep the vtec engaged, I think vtec needs to be at around 5500 like the stock engine, maybe even lower for a track like this.
OMG, when that VTEC kicks in slightly above 6k.
My civic has a b18c4 in the vtech kicks in around 5600rpm and still pulls hard as hell at 130 000 miles. Absolutly adictive sound. I would this chaps vteck kicks in a little later than normal and seems to stugglr to get passed 100mph . Might be the age but would love to see misha in a stock dc2!
The b18c's have a lower vtec crossover point. The b16b like in this ek9 is supposed to engage at 6100.
@@wijbezwager that would explain it, cheers for pointing it out.
Just to add ....1st gear 10 rev limiter hits then second maybe 2 limiter hits the rest just smash those gears if it's not screaming your not doing it right...vtech yooooo🤣🤣
Great video Misha thank you 👍
I had japanese version 4 door saloon, 160 hp. Drove 10 years 98-2008 220k km. Still missing it. Pure engine sound not a silly exhaust sounds.
waht Is amazing this that is type R is a 1.6 185 hp NA, stock from factory, probably the highst HP 1.6 IN THE world !!
Nope. The Nissan SR16VE N1 took that title.
Nice to see the real Type R on your channel ;)
10:15 HAHaha so freakin awesome, just the engine poorin' its heart out at 7500 RPM like "yeah we're going climbing hooraaaay" :D
Sounds awesome, what a weird nugget of an engine :)
I'm using a civic 1.8 fd R16 engine. It's currently almost 330,000km. Still alive and well. Tho it's a 2006 civic
CTR gearing is shorter than this, isn't it? Also, looks like there may be some sort of oil pressure issue why VTEC is doing that. It only cuts off after long hard sweeping turns (was it just me or only right turns?) Love seeing a Honda on track 🫡
It was a good lap, however the ek9 didn't come with shorter gearing, only the later model dc2 ITR came with the 4.7fd. Ek9 retained the 4.4. And no oil issues, just the factory crossover of 6.2k is rather high especially on the inclines with no torque. Definitely room to improve the car for next season
May need an Accusump for track use. IE-extended high G cornering (fast sweepers) oil pulled away from pickup in wet sump engine. Accusump is much more affordable than a dry sump set up. Accusump hold oil in a pressurized cylinder, when pressure drops, it triggers and pushes 10-15 seconds of oil into the pump. VTEC requires oil pressure, if it drops the ECU closes the VTEC solenoid .
@@Dzero4i always knew that ek9 had first 3 gears short and 4-5 long
@@davcap7816 The EK9 does not. The EK9 has the exact same gear ratios as the EG6, EK4 SiR, and 96 Spec ITR. The 4.4 final drive is just too long for B16s and they have absolutely nothing to offer below 6 grand.
Man I hope someone with FD2 type r let yo drive!
Could def do with a remap. I used to have slightly modded b16a1 and it benefited from Vtec starting at 4800. Im not sure why all Honda engines have their Vtec pulled so further in the rev range. I presume its cause the vtec kick is more pronounced.
Emissions/sound regulations.