I switched from 15lbs to 14lbs for my two league balls, and just bought a new spare ball, which I dropped down another pound, to a 13lb ball, and I'm loving them all. I'm 68+, so I'm not as strong as I used to be, and these lighter balls have helped me a great deal.
I think a line of T-Shirts is in the future of Nate and Elise...."Slapper Dapper" "Spinner Winner" "Rumper Dumper" "Thumper Dumper" "Bumper Stumper" "Ran It Over" "Half Loaf" "Throw It Better" "Put Me In Coach"...New line of shirts! And of course add a nice Shammy and add some of your new tag lines :)
I switched to 14 lb 3 seasons ago due to Golfer's Elbow. There are some balls, usually assyms, that you have to watch the specs on, but overall it's been a positive experience going to 14
I like this video showing the difference between a 14 and a 15 lbs balls. It gives perspectives of the different reactiy on you can get with the weight difference.
The whole heavier ball is smoother makes perfect sense when you look at it from like a physics POV. Especially when your going left to right, that's an extra LB you have to get to turn the corner.
Thanks for this. I had to switch to 14 a few years back, and I keep thinking I need to go back to 15 to score, but this is proof that maybe I don't. You rarely get to see a straight comparison like this.
Jason and I have been having a conversation about exactly this. I contend that a bowling ball with the higher mass will create more pin action than one of lower mass. Jason says that 16lb balls represent only 2% of the balls that are manufactured, and so the core is engineered better for balls that are 14 and 15 lb. But I still see the difference in the pin action, as I favor the 16 lb Ball versus the 15 lb ball. On paper, I think your 15 lb ball should hit harder and more efficiently than the 14-lb ball against 35 lb of pins. That you're also looking at track shape On the lanes was something I had never considered. I really appreciate your videos, and this one has got me thinking!
@firstivuslastivus3349 you're looking at ball weight as a variable in isolation. If all other things are identical, then you're right- higher weight equals higher carry. But in reality you have to consider entry angle, ball speed and rev rate- and all of these are likely to change if you throw a lighter weight. Almost no one throws 16 now as 15 has equivalent or better carry thanks to those variables, and now that 14lb cores are becoming closer to the 15lb (in the case of AI cores, identical) the same trend is happening- you gain a little ball speed and revrate with 14lb which offsets the 1lb weight difference, the core has similar RG numbers now, and you also experience less tendon fatigue- even if you are strong and fit. Just look at the number of elbow+wrist injuries suffered by PBA players, even those who are incredibly fit and strong. Reduced long term damage to your elbow is a smart thing to consider, because once you develop tendinitis it's a real issue to get rid of without taking a very extended break. And if you're relatively strong, that probably means you have a physically demanding job, you spend a lot of time in the gym, or you do other activities that are physically demanding. These things add up. Taking care of the longevity of your body is not something to be ashamed of, and now we don't have to worry about it limiting bowling performance either- so what's not to love?
People have done tests. 16 lbs actually give worse carry of the three but u hit the hardest. 15 gives you decent carry and hits in the middle. And 14 gives u the best carry but doesn’t hit as hard. This is due to pin deflection and how the 16 keeps rolling through the pins whereas the 14 will slightly bounce off u will get more pin action with 14 but that’s why everyone’s on 15 lbs bc it’s the middle ground
Think of it as a car. A car hits the wall how it crumples to half the size to relieve the energy. That energy is going somewhere else. In our for instance it’s the pins. The 14 lbs loses the most energy in the ball but the pins gain the most energy. Whereas if a car didn’t crumple the person inside would carry all the energy. In our case it’s the ball. So although it may hit harder that doesn’t always mean better pin deflection.
I switched from a 15 lb Quantum Evo Response to a 14 lb Quantum Evo Response (clearance price) on the evidence of this video. I've only rolled my 14 once, but my results mirror these results. My first line was experimental to dial in speed and revs. 2 and 3 I increased my total pins by 10 and 12. I rolled a 16 lb urethane in my youth, I'm 64 now.
I switched from 15lbs to 14lbs a few years back and I really should have done so 20 years ago. The difference in carry is negligible but 14lbs feels way better. Its still about bein in the right part of the lane with the right ball in your hands.
First thing first: You have to be honest with yourself and swallow your pride to say: "I need to go down in ball weight, (Especially as you get older!) I'm 65 years old and went to a 14 lb. from a 15 lb. ball! Best thing I did, as I can get under the equator of the ball much better, keep my ball speed up, and my accuracy and controllability (If that's a real word!) is slightly better! The pin carry is not different from the 15 to 14 lb. ball from what I can tell! 206 average from 194 in my league since dropping to 14 lb, and looking to improve from that!
ive made the switch a few months ago. what i've noticed is there is more deflection when trying to convert buckets and double wood. also, the higher RG values force me to slow down a bit more. but, i can increase speed at fresher backend conditions.
I refuse to use these lighter weights. 16 for me. Besides getting a better workout with the heavier ball. I feel that weight on my hand and my arm swing seems freer. And, I use my thumb, and my pearl balls make u turns so I have no problem hooking it. Actually, I have switched to a plastic ball for the ths.
are there differences in ball speed? I have used 15lb for decades (60 yr old female) and now suffer with low ball speed. Problem is when I tried 14, my ball speed did not change. What did chage for me was my accuracy. The 14lb was all over the place. while I was way more consistent with the 15. Could be just a matter of practise. My normal stance on my house shot is stand 35, aim 15, 10 at range finders.
I really like your video on weights....BUT....it would be so helpful if you would say 14 or 15 on each shot....we can't see the tape on the ball and it's hard to understand which one you describe which one you are talking about...at least for me it is. Always appreciate your videos!!!
A ball shammy, a sew on patch for a ball bag, or even an iron-on patch for a bowling shirt possibly? I do buy a bunch of shirts with funny sayings and hashtags just to aggravate everyone on league! 😂
I would buy the Rumperdumper Snapperdapper Spinnerwinner For The Full Loaf Nate and Elise t-shirt! With the No Eight Pin sign logo. *With real cloth threads to insure better coverage, fer sure!
I couldn't see the label on the 14 lb ball and you never told us before each shot which weight you were throwing. Pure physics tells us the same core in a lighter weight will allow the core to overcome the weight of the ball easier and be more dynamic.
I read through one of the comments and some people are complete assholes! Elise, you are a beautiful person and best looking ones on the tour. Nate is a lucky man for sure!! Anywho, main purpose for the post. You guys should make some merch with some of the funnies that you said. “Rumper Dumper” “Thumper Dumper” “Bumper Stumper” “Lofter Rofter” “Snapper Dapper”put them on patches we can iron on our bowling shirts. Or even make up some T-Shirts with a Nate and Elise logo.
I wouldn't go below 14 unless you have to because your speed is too low to be consistent. They really start deflecting a lot making it harder to strike.
If you throw the 15 better, the 14 just goes up accordingly. I throw both and have no troubles handling 15, but I still throw 14 a little faster and catch it a little cleaner. No difference whatsoever in carry, in fact if anything the 14 tends to be marginally better.
Don't talk about the 14 or 15 lb balls, I want to know why recently it looks like Elise has gained 14 or 15 lbs. Sorry, but it's noticeable. I wish she could lose 50 lbs somehow.
@@bennybuffylovewhy are you such a shallow person? Aside from being an amazing bowler, educator and entertainer. Elise happens to be very attractive in many ways, your comment isn’t even needed. While we are entitled to our own opinions I think you should take yours and go somewhere else. It wasn’t to me; however, it bothers me.
I switched from 15lbs to 14lbs for my two league balls, and just bought a new spare ball, which I dropped down another pound, to a 13lb ball, and I'm loving them all. I'm 68+, so I'm not as strong as I used to be, and these lighter balls have helped me a great deal.
I think a line of T-Shirts is in the future of Nate and Elise...."Slapper Dapper" "Spinner Winner" "Rumper Dumper" "Thumper Dumper" "Bumper Stumper" "Ran It Over" "Half Loaf" "Throw It Better" "Put Me In Coach"...New line of shirts! And of course add a nice Shammy and add some of your new tag lines :)
I just moved up from 13 to 14 lbs. This happens to be a ball I've been looking at. Yay. Ty for the info!
I switched to 14 lb 3 seasons ago due to Golfer's Elbow. There are some balls, usually assyms, that you have to watch the specs on, but overall it's been a positive experience going to 14
I like this video showing the difference between a 14 and a 15 lbs balls. It gives perspectives of the different reactiy on you can get with the weight difference.
You and Nate dog are very simple knowledge in bowling thanks for all that you both do.
The whole heavier ball is smoother makes perfect sense when you look at it from like a physics POV. Especially when your going left to right, that's an extra LB you have to get to turn the corner.
Thanks for this. I had to switch to 14 a few years back, and I keep thinking I need to go back to 15 to score, but this is proof that maybe I don't. You rarely get to see a straight comparison like this.
I dropped to 14 (from 15) at the beginning of the season and am now carrying my highest ever average of 223
I enjoyed your video. But I didn't know when you were throwing each ball. I've been thinking about switching from a 15 to a 14.
This is a really good teaching video. I think for me I should have made the change in weight sooner to impact my game. Thanks much😊
Elise I hit it harder sometimes that's the best adjustment ❤🎉😊
A fresh pounding while enjoying pound cake 🎂 ❤🎉😊
Hitting it harder is THE adjustment. Always.
Great video as usual. What are your favorite balls for a burned up house shot? That ball looks pretty sweet. Very controllable
I love my Big Time Special Edition, so I really want this one, too. It's interesting that they polished the solid but sanded the pearl.
Great video thinking of getting a 14.
Jason and I have been having a conversation about exactly this. I contend that a bowling ball with the higher mass will create more pin action than one of lower mass. Jason says that 16lb balls represent only 2% of the balls that are manufactured, and so the core is engineered better for balls that are 14 and 15 lb. But I still see the difference in the pin action, as I favor the 16 lb Ball versus the 15 lb ball. On paper, I think your 15 lb ball should hit harder and more efficiently than the 14-lb ball against 35 lb of pins. That you're also looking at track shape On the lanes was something I had never considered. I really appreciate your videos, and this one has got me thinking!
@firstivuslastivus3349 you're looking at ball weight as a variable in isolation. If all other things are identical, then you're right- higher weight equals higher carry. But in reality you have to consider entry angle, ball speed and rev rate- and all of these are likely to change if you throw a lighter weight. Almost no one throws 16 now as 15 has equivalent or better carry thanks to those variables, and now that 14lb cores are becoming closer to the 15lb (in the case of AI cores, identical) the same trend is happening- you gain a little ball speed and revrate with 14lb which offsets the 1lb weight difference, the core has similar RG numbers now, and you also experience less tendon fatigue- even if you are strong and fit. Just look at the number of elbow+wrist injuries suffered by PBA players, even those who are incredibly fit and strong. Reduced long term damage to your elbow is a smart thing to consider, because once you develop tendinitis it's a real issue to get rid of without taking a very extended break. And if you're relatively strong, that probably means you have a physically demanding job, you spend a lot of time in the gym, or you do other activities that are physically demanding. These things add up. Taking care of the longevity of your body is not something to be ashamed of, and now we don't have to worry about it limiting bowling performance either- so what's not to love?
@@dysfunctionaldave Well said! Most, if not all PBA men are now throwing 14 -15 Lb. balls these days!
People have done tests. 16 lbs actually give worse carry of the three but u hit the hardest. 15 gives you decent carry and hits in the middle. And 14 gives u the best carry but doesn’t hit as hard. This is due to pin deflection and how the 16 keeps rolling through the pins whereas the 14 will slightly bounce off u will get more pin action with 14 but that’s why everyone’s on 15 lbs bc it’s the middle ground
Think of it as a car. A car hits the wall how it crumples to half the size to relieve the energy. That energy is going somewhere else. In our for instance it’s the pins. The 14 lbs loses the most energy in the ball but the pins gain the most energy. Whereas if a car didn’t crumple the person inside would carry all the energy. In our case it’s the ball. So although it may hit harder that doesn’t always mean better pin deflection.
I use to use a 16 llb when I started league bowling was to much for my shoulder I went to 14lbs it helped so much
I switched from a 15 lb Quantum Evo Response to a 14 lb Quantum Evo Response (clearance price) on the evidence of this video. I've only rolled my 14 once, but my results mirror these results. My first line was experimental to dial in speed and revs. 2 and 3 I increased my total pins by 10 and 12. I rolled a 16 lb urethane in my youth, I'm 64 now.
Nice job! That ball reminds me of my old purple beast! A long time ago😂
The purple beast was a great ball for sure
I switched from 15lbs to 14lbs a few years back and I really should have done so 20 years ago. The difference in carry is negligible but 14lbs feels way better. Its still about bein in the right part of the lane with the right ball in your hands.
First thing first: You have to be honest with yourself and swallow your pride to say: "I need to go down in ball weight, (Especially as you get older!)
I'm 65 years old and went to a 14 lb. from a 15 lb. ball! Best thing I did, as I can get under the equator of the ball much better, keep my ball speed up, and my accuracy and controllability (If that's a real word!) is slightly better! The pin carry is not different from the 15 to 14 lb. ball from what I can tell! 206 average from 194 in my league since dropping to 14 lb, and looking to improve from that!
For a merch idea, I'd like to suggest a Brunswick Rangefinder Guide. (mainly because I can't find one anywhere).
ive made the switch a few months ago. what i've noticed is there is more deflection when trying to convert buckets and double wood. also, the higher RG values force me to slow down a bit more. but, i can increase speed at fresher backend conditions.
I refuse to use these lighter weights. 16 for me. Besides getting a better workout with the heavier ball. I feel that weight on my hand and my arm swing seems freer. And, I use my thumb, and my pearl balls make u turns so I have no problem hooking it. Actually, I have switched to a plastic ball for the ths.
Online deals have me contemplating going up to 16lbs from 15lb 🤔
Amleto the legend casually in the background
are there differences in ball speed? I have used 15lb for decades (60 yr old female) and now suffer with low ball speed. Problem is when I tried 14, my ball speed did not change. What did chage for me was my accuracy. The 14lb was all over the place. while I was way more consistent with the 15. Could be just a matter of practise. My normal stance on my house shot is stand 35, aim 15, 10 at range finders.
Not much difference in speed
I really like your video on weights....BUT....it would be so helpful if you would say 14 or 15 on each shot....we can't see the tape on the ball and it's hard to understand which one you describe which one you are talking about...at least for me it is. Always appreciate your videos!!!
Apologies ! I meant to edit that in there and I forgot - Nate
A ball shammy, a sew on patch for a ball bag, or even an iron-on patch for a bowling shirt possibly? I do buy a bunch of shirts with funny sayings and hashtags just to aggravate everyone on league! 😂
15lb- RG- 2.508 Diff- 0.054
14lb- RG- 2.538 Diff- 0.054
I love bowling with a 15lb ball I believe I get more pin action cause throwing a 14lb I feel I can throw that almost half way down the lane
I would buy the Rumperdumper Snapperdapper Spinnerwinner For The Full Loaf Nate and Elise t-shirt! With the No Eight Pin sign logo. *With real cloth threads to insure better coverage, fer sure!
I couldn't see the label on the 14 lb ball and you never told us before each shot which weight you were throwing.
Pure physics tells us the same core in a lighter weight will allow the core to overcome the weight of the ball easier and be more dynamic.
For fun, dropping down to a 6lb ball will allow you to put about 1000+RPM on the ball to zip hook the entire lane before reaching the pin deck. 😂
yes it does
I read through one of the comments and some people are complete assholes! Elise, you are a beautiful person and best looking ones on the tour. Nate is a lucky man for sure!!
Anywho, main purpose for the post. You guys should make some merch with some of the funnies that you said. “Rumper Dumper” “Thumper Dumper” “Bumper Stumper” “Lofter Rofter” “Snapper Dapper”put them on patches we can iron on our bowling shirts. Or even make up some T-Shirts with a Nate and Elise logo.
She didn't say witch ball was which with which thrall
Spinner winner ball spinner 😁
Hey Nate and Elise
Why not indicate before you throw which ball is 14 or 15 lbs? Just saying!
@@florencioyignacio9225 I thought the understanding was I was switching back and forth. Sorry!
Hi everyone 🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
RG is higher in the 14lb ball
I mentioned that - Nate
I dropped down to a 13 lb venom shock from a 14 lb primal shock,. I actually use both but seem to drop the primal now, lol
Nate and Elise extras T Shirt
Seems like it's just physics. Less weight = better control, slightly more lift. In the future, please try 14 vs 13 vs 12 vs 10 lbs.
I wouldn't go below 14 unless you have to because your speed is too low to be consistent. They really start deflecting a lot making it harder to strike.
Also at 13 lbs you do get a different weight block. It is supposed to simulate the same rg and differential but is not same as 16 15 14.
If you spend a few more days at the gym the 15-pound bowling ball would have won.
If you throw the 15 better, the 14 just goes up accordingly. I throw both and have no troubles handling 15, but I still throw 14 a little faster and catch it a little cleaner. No difference whatsoever in carry, in fact if anything the 14 tends to be marginally better.
Sorry but I was extremely disappointed with the video. You need to announce the weight of the ball prior to the shot.
Don't talk about the 14 or 15 lb balls, I want to know why recently it looks like Elise has gained 14 or 15 lbs. Sorry, but it's noticeable. I wish she could lose 50 lbs somehow.
Why do you WISH I could lose 50lbs? You don’t even know what I weigh… I’m just not quite sure how that changes your day to day life?
We forgot to edit it in 😢 sorry!
@@bennybuffylovewhen bothered so much you post rude comments. Change your channel before posting to avoid being an anxious a**.
@@bennybuffylovewhy are you such a shallow person? Aside from being an amazing bowler, educator and entertainer. Elise happens to be very attractive in many ways, your comment isn’t even needed. While we are entitled to our own opinions I think you should take yours and go somewhere else. It wasn’t to me; however, it bothers me.
I like your thumper dumper