I switched from 15lbs to 14lbs for my two league balls, and just bought a new spare ball, which I dropped down another pound, to a 13lb ball, and I'm loving them all. I'm 68+, so I'm not as strong as I used to be, and these lighter balls have helped me a great deal.
I switched to 14 lb 3 seasons ago due to Golfer's Elbow. There are some balls, usually assyms, that you have to watch the specs on, but overall it's been a positive experience going to 14
I think a line of T-Shirts is in the future of Nate and Elise...."Slapper Dapper" "Spinner Winner" "Rumper Dumper" "Thumper Dumper" "Bumper Stumper" "Ran It Over" "Half Loaf" "Throw It Better" "Put Me In Coach"...New line of shirts! And of course add a nice Shammy and add some of your new tag lines :)
I like this video showing the difference between a 14 and a 15 lbs balls. It gives perspectives of the different reactiy on you can get with the weight difference.
Thanks for this. I had to switch to 14 a few years back, and I keep thinking I need to go back to 15 to score, but this is proof that maybe I don't. You rarely get to see a straight comparison like this.
I'm impressed I drilled A few 14's and when I would switch back and forth the weight difference would mess with my timing, My issue with the 14 is that unless I was in deep with it I would throw it past the break point because amazingly enough to me that one pound makes a huge difference. I think I carried better with the 14 because now that I am old and can't throw a 15 past 15mph the extra ball speed helped with carrying the light hits
Hmmm... I'm 60 but in rather good shape and pretty good strength. Recently I joined a league for the first time, and I bought a 14lb Storm ball. I felt it was tipping me over and I definitely bowled worse than with a 12lb house ball. So, I purchased a 12lb Storm Tropical Surge. Over the last several weeks, I have managed to go from sucking to about where I was with scoring with a 12lb house ball. Last league night though - average bumped up from mid 130s to 147. Now, I do have that 14lb ball available in reserve. I wonder if my technique was more at fault vs. the weight of the ball, i.e. keeping my head up. Honestly, I can't imagine given my decent strength that 14lbs is too much. But, who knows. I may now go practice with the 14lb ball - I haven't thrown it since purchasing.
Jason and I have been having a conversation about exactly this. I contend that a bowling ball with the higher mass will create more pin action than one of lower mass. Jason says that 16lb balls represent only 2% of the balls that are manufactured, and so the core is engineered better for balls that are 14 and 15 lb. But I still see the difference in the pin action, as I favor the 16 lb Ball versus the 15 lb ball. On paper, I think your 15 lb ball should hit harder and more efficiently than the 14-lb ball against 35 lb of pins. That you're also looking at track shape On the lanes was something I had never considered. I really appreciate your videos, and this one has got me thinking!
@firstivuslastivus3349 you're looking at ball weight as a variable in isolation. If all other things are identical, then you're right- higher weight equals higher carry. But in reality you have to consider entry angle, ball speed and rev rate- and all of these are likely to change if you throw a lighter weight. Almost no one throws 16 now as 15 has equivalent or better carry thanks to those variables, and now that 14lb cores are becoming closer to the 15lb (in the case of AI cores, identical) the same trend is happening- you gain a little ball speed and revrate with 14lb which offsets the 1lb weight difference, the core has similar RG numbers now, and you also experience less tendon fatigue- even if you are strong and fit. Just look at the number of elbow+wrist injuries suffered by PBA players, even those who are incredibly fit and strong. Reduced long term damage to your elbow is a smart thing to consider, because once you develop tendinitis it's a real issue to get rid of without taking a very extended break. And if you're relatively strong, that probably means you have a physically demanding job, you spend a lot of time in the gym, or you do other activities that are physically demanding. These things add up. Taking care of the longevity of your body is not something to be ashamed of, and now we don't have to worry about it limiting bowling performance either- so what's not to love?
People have done tests. 16 lbs actually give worse carry of the three but u hit the hardest. 15 gives you decent carry and hits in the middle. And 14 gives u the best carry but doesn’t hit as hard. This is due to pin deflection and how the 16 keeps rolling through the pins whereas the 14 will slightly bounce off u will get more pin action with 14 but that’s why everyone’s on 15 lbs bc it’s the middle ground
Think of it as a car. A car hits the wall how it crumples to half the size to relieve the energy. That energy is going somewhere else. In our for instance it’s the pins. The 14 lbs loses the most energy in the ball but the pins gain the most energy. Whereas if a car didn’t crumple the person inside would carry all the energy. In our case it’s the ball. So although it may hit harder that doesn’t always mean better pin deflection.
I switched from 15lbs to 14lbs a few years back and I really should have done so 20 years ago. The difference in carry is negligible but 14lbs feels way better. Its still about bein in the right part of the lane with the right ball in your hands.
I switched from a 15 lb Quantum Evo Response to a 14 lb Quantum Evo Response (clearance price) on the evidence of this video. I've only rolled my 14 once, but my results mirror these results. My first line was experimental to dial in speed and revs. 2 and 3 I increased my total pins by 10 and 12. I rolled a 16 lb urethane in my youth, I'm 64 now.
ive made the switch a few months ago. what i've noticed is there is more deflection when trying to convert buckets and double wood. also, the higher RG values force me to slow down a bit more. but, i can increase speed at fresher backend conditions.
The whole heavier ball is smoother makes perfect sense when you look at it from like a physics POV. Especially when your going left to right, that's an extra LB you have to get to turn the corner.
A ball shammy, a sew on patch for a ball bag, or even an iron-on patch for a bowling shirt possibly? I do buy a bunch of shirts with funny sayings and hashtags just to aggravate everyone on league! 😂
I would buy the Rumperdumper Snapperdapper Spinnerwinner For The Full Loaf Nate and Elise t-shirt! With the No Eight Pin sign logo. *With real cloth threads to insure better coverage, fer sure!
I couldn't see the label on the 14 lb ball and you never told us before each shot which weight you were throwing. Pure physics tells us the same core in a lighter weight will allow the core to overcome the weight of the ball easier and be more dynamic.
I really like your video on weights....BUT....it would be so helpful if you would say 14 or 15 on each shot....we can't see the tape on the ball and it's hard to understand which one you describe which one you are talking about...at least for me it is. Always appreciate your videos!!!
First thing first: You have to be honest with yourself and swallow your pride to say: "I need to go down in ball weight, (Especially as you get older!) I'm 65 years old and went to a 14 lb. from a 15 lb. ball! Best thing I did, as I can get under the equator of the ball much better, keep my ball speed up, and my accuracy and controllability (If that's a real word!) is slightly better! The pin carry is not different from the 15 to 14 lb. ball from what I can tell! 206 average from 194 in my league since dropping to 14 lb, and looking to improve from that!
I bought a 14 lbs RST 3 for my other half some time ago. It hooked too much for her lower ball speed. Now after watching this video - I have to try it again cause I did notice something similar when I threw it, subbing in league, about a year ago ( no pots, so I was fooling around). I had had it re-drilled for me to practice two handed (didn't work - hooked too early). Now I have to retrieve it from the garage and clear out the cobwebs. As I recall, that night I did play deeper with it and every ball, I expected it not to carry but it did. I think I shot 740/750 with it. I thought it was a fluke as I was more focused on Isaac Newton and that mass x velocity thingie (and I have "pooh poohed lower weights in the past.) So just for minds like me N and E - the 14lbs tender to have a lower RG??
I refuse to use these lighter weights. 16 for me. Besides getting a better workout with the heavier ball. I feel that weight on my hand and my arm swing seems freer. And, I use my thumb, and my pearl balls make u turns so I have no problem hooking it. Actually, I have switched to a plastic ball for the ths.
are there differences in ball speed? I have used 15lb for decades (60 yr old female) and now suffer with low ball speed. Problem is when I tried 14, my ball speed did not change. What did chage for me was my accuracy. The 14lb was all over the place. while I was way more consistent with the 15. Could be just a matter of practise. My normal stance on my house shot is stand 35, aim 15, 10 at range finders.
I read through one of the comments and some people are complete assholes! Elise, you are a beautiful person and best looking ones on the tour. Nate is a lucky man for sure!! Anywho, main purpose for the post. You guys should make some merch with some of the funnies that you said. “Rumper Dumper” “Thumper Dumper” “Bumper Stumper” “Lofter Rofter” “Snapper Dapper”put them on patches we can iron on our bowling shirts. Or even make up some T-Shirts with a Nate and Elise logo.
I wouldn't go below 14 unless you have to because your speed is too low to be consistent. They really start deflecting a lot making it harder to strike.
Don't talk about the 14 or 15 lb balls, I want to know why recently it looks like Elise has gained 14 or 15 lbs. Sorry, but it's noticeable. I wish she could lose 50 lbs somehow.
@@bennybuffylovewhy are you such a shallow person? Aside from being an amazing bowler, educator and entertainer. Elise happens to be very attractive in many ways, your comment isn’t even needed. While we are entitled to our own opinions I think you should take yours and go somewhere else. It wasn’t to me; however, it bothers me.
If you throw the 15 better, the 14 just goes up accordingly. I throw both and have no troubles handling 15, but I still throw 14 a little faster and catch it a little cleaner. No difference whatsoever in carry, in fact if anything the 14 tends to be marginally better.
I switched from 15lbs to 14lbs for my two league balls, and just bought a new spare ball, which I dropped down another pound, to a 13lb ball, and I'm loving them all. I'm 68+, so I'm not as strong as I used to be, and these lighter balls have helped me a great deal.
I switched to 14 lb 3 seasons ago due to Golfer's Elbow. There are some balls, usually assyms, that you have to watch the specs on, but overall it's been a positive experience going to 14
I think a line of T-Shirts is in the future of Nate and Elise...."Slapper Dapper" "Spinner Winner" "Rumper Dumper" "Thumper Dumper" "Bumper Stumper" "Ran It Over" "Half Loaf" "Throw It Better" "Put Me In Coach"...New line of shirts! And of course add a nice Shammy and add some of your new tag lines :)
I like this video showing the difference between a 14 and a 15 lbs balls. It gives perspectives of the different reactiy on you can get with the weight difference.
Thanks for this. I had to switch to 14 a few years back, and I keep thinking I need to go back to 15 to score, but this is proof that maybe I don't. You rarely get to see a straight comparison like this.
You and Nate dog are very simple knowledge in bowling thanks for all that you both do.
I love my Big Time Special Edition, so I really want this one, too. It's interesting that they polished the solid but sanded the pearl.
I dropped to 14 (from 15) at the beginning of the season and am now carrying my highest ever average of 223
I just moved up from 13 to 14 lbs. This happens to be a ball I've been looking at. Yay. Ty for the info!
I'm impressed I drilled A few 14's and when I would switch back and forth the weight difference would mess with my timing, My issue with the 14 is that unless I was in deep with it I would throw it past the break point because amazingly enough to me that one pound makes a huge difference. I think I carried better with the 14 because now that I am old and can't throw a 15 past 15mph the extra ball speed helped with carrying the light hits
Hmmm... I'm 60 but in rather good shape and pretty good strength. Recently I joined a league for the first time, and I bought a 14lb Storm ball. I felt it was tipping me over and I definitely bowled worse than with a 12lb house ball. So, I purchased a 12lb Storm Tropical Surge. Over the last several weeks, I have managed to go from sucking to about where I was with scoring with a 12lb house ball. Last league night though - average bumped up from mid 130s to 147. Now, I do have that 14lb ball available in reserve. I wonder if my technique was more at fault vs. the weight of the ball, i.e. keeping my head up. Honestly, I can't imagine given my decent strength that 14lbs is too much. But, who knows. I may now go practice with the 14lb ball - I haven't thrown it since purchasing.
I enjoyed your video. But I didn't know when you were throwing each ball. I've been thinking about switching from a 15 to a 14.
This is a really good teaching video. I think for me I should have made the change in weight sooner to impact my game. Thanks much😊
Jason and I have been having a conversation about exactly this. I contend that a bowling ball with the higher mass will create more pin action than one of lower mass. Jason says that 16lb balls represent only 2% of the balls that are manufactured, and so the core is engineered better for balls that are 14 and 15 lb. But I still see the difference in the pin action, as I favor the 16 lb Ball versus the 15 lb ball. On paper, I think your 15 lb ball should hit harder and more efficiently than the 14-lb ball against 35 lb of pins. That you're also looking at track shape On the lanes was something I had never considered. I really appreciate your videos, and this one has got me thinking!
@firstivuslastivus3349 you're looking at ball weight as a variable in isolation. If all other things are identical, then you're right- higher weight equals higher carry. But in reality you have to consider entry angle, ball speed and rev rate- and all of these are likely to change if you throw a lighter weight. Almost no one throws 16 now as 15 has equivalent or better carry thanks to those variables, and now that 14lb cores are becoming closer to the 15lb (in the case of AI cores, identical) the same trend is happening- you gain a little ball speed and revrate with 14lb which offsets the 1lb weight difference, the core has similar RG numbers now, and you also experience less tendon fatigue- even if you are strong and fit. Just look at the number of elbow+wrist injuries suffered by PBA players, even those who are incredibly fit and strong. Reduced long term damage to your elbow is a smart thing to consider, because once you develop tendinitis it's a real issue to get rid of without taking a very extended break. And if you're relatively strong, that probably means you have a physically demanding job, you spend a lot of time in the gym, or you do other activities that are physically demanding. These things add up. Taking care of the longevity of your body is not something to be ashamed of, and now we don't have to worry about it limiting bowling performance either- so what's not to love?
@@dysfunctionaldave Well said! Most, if not all PBA men are now throwing 14 -15 Lb. balls these days!
People have done tests. 16 lbs actually give worse carry of the three but u hit the hardest. 15 gives you decent carry and hits in the middle. And 14 gives u the best carry but doesn’t hit as hard. This is due to pin deflection and how the 16 keeps rolling through the pins whereas the 14 will slightly bounce off u will get more pin action with 14 but that’s why everyone’s on 15 lbs bc it’s the middle ground
Think of it as a car. A car hits the wall how it crumples to half the size to relieve the energy. That energy is going somewhere else. In our for instance it’s the pins. The 14 lbs loses the most energy in the ball but the pins gain the most energy. Whereas if a car didn’t crumple the person inside would carry all the energy. In our case it’s the ball. So although it may hit harder that doesn’t always mean better pin deflection.
Elise I hit it harder sometimes that's the best adjustment ❤🎉😊
A fresh pounding while enjoying pound cake 🎂 ❤🎉😊
Hitting it harder is THE adjustment. Always.
The spinner winner ended up being a 4piece and a bisket!! 14 or 15lbs. this ball looks pretty good!!
I use to use a 16 llb when I started league bowling was to much for my shoulder I went to 14lbs it helped so much
Online deals have me contemplating going up to 16lbs from 15lb 🤔
Great video thinking of getting a 14.
I switched from 15lbs to 14lbs a few years back and I really should have done so 20 years ago. The difference in carry is negligible but 14lbs feels way better. Its still about bein in the right part of the lane with the right ball in your hands.
For a merch idea, I'd like to suggest a Brunswick Rangefinder Guide. (mainly because I can't find one anywhere).
I switched from a 15 lb Quantum Evo Response to a 14 lb Quantum Evo Response (clearance price) on the evidence of this video. I've only rolled my 14 once, but my results mirror these results. My first line was experimental to dial in speed and revs. 2 and 3 I increased my total pins by 10 and 12. I rolled a 16 lb urethane in my youth, I'm 64 now.
Nice job! That ball reminds me of my old purple beast! A long time ago😂
The purple beast was a great ball for sure
ive made the switch a few months ago. what i've noticed is there is more deflection when trying to convert buckets and double wood. also, the higher RG values force me to slow down a bit more. but, i can increase speed at fresher backend conditions.
Great video as usual. What are your favorite balls for a burned up house shot? That ball looks pretty sweet. Very controllable
Look like you going to 14 . I bowl with a 14 now and I love it
The whole heavier ball is smoother makes perfect sense when you look at it from like a physics POV. Especially when your going left to right, that's an extra LB you have to get to turn the corner.
Question is it 14lbs or 15Lbs “exactly” or are there ounces involved on each?
New merch idea ....... "Back in my day" was not the heyday Mr. 1 league Larry
A ball shammy, a sew on patch for a ball bag, or even an iron-on patch for a bowling shirt possibly? I do buy a bunch of shirts with funny sayings and hashtags just to aggravate everyone on league! 😂
I would buy the Rumperdumper Snapperdapper Spinnerwinner For The Full Loaf Nate and Elise t-shirt! With the No Eight Pin sign logo. *With real cloth threads to insure better coverage, fer sure!
For fun, dropping down to a 6lb ball will allow you to put about 1000+RPM on the ball to zip hook the entire lane before reaching the pin deck. 😂
15lb- RG- 2.508 Diff- 0.054
14lb- RG- 2.538 Diff- 0.054
I couldn't see the label on the 14 lb ball and you never told us before each shot which weight you were throwing.
Pure physics tells us the same core in a lighter weight will allow the core to overcome the weight of the ball easier and be more dynamic.
Amleto the legend casually in the background
I really like your video on weights....BUT....it would be so helpful if you would say 14 or 15 on each shot....we can't see the tape on the ball and it's hard to understand which one you describe which one you are talking about...at least for me it is. Always appreciate your videos!!!
Apologies ! I meant to edit that in there and I forgot - Nate
It's abundantly clear which is which dude
First thing first: You have to be honest with yourself and swallow your pride to say: "I need to go down in ball weight, (Especially as you get older!)
I'm 65 years old and went to a 14 lb. from a 15 lb. ball! Best thing I did, as I can get under the equator of the ball much better, keep my ball speed up, and my accuracy and controllability (If that's a real word!) is slightly better! The pin carry is not different from the 15 to 14 lb. ball from what I can tell! 206 average from 194 in my league since dropping to 14 lb, and looking to improve from that!
I love bowling with a 15lb ball I believe I get more pin action cause throwing a 14lb I feel I can throw that almost half way down the lane
I bought a 14 lbs RST 3 for my other half some time ago. It hooked too much for her lower ball speed. Now after watching this video - I have to try it again cause I did notice something similar when I threw it, subbing in league, about a year ago ( no pots, so I was fooling around). I had had it re-drilled for me to practice two handed (didn't work - hooked too early). Now I have to retrieve it from the garage and clear out the cobwebs. As I recall, that night I did play deeper with it and every ball, I expected it not to carry but it did. I think I shot 740/750 with it. I thought it was a fluke as I was more focused on Isaac Newton and that mass x velocity thingie (and I have "pooh poohed lower weights in the past.) So just for minds like me N and E - the 14lbs tender to have a lower RG??
Not always. The rg and dif vary per bowling ball.
I refuse to use these lighter weights. 16 for me. Besides getting a better workout with the heavier ball. I feel that weight on my hand and my arm swing seems freer. And, I use my thumb, and my pearl balls make u turns so I have no problem hooking it. Actually, I have switched to a plastic ball for the ths.
She didn't say witch ball was which with which thrall
Why not indicate before you throw which ball is 14 or 15 lbs? Just saying!
@@florencioyignacio9225 I thought the understanding was I was switching back and forth. Sorry!
are there differences in ball speed? I have used 15lb for decades (60 yr old female) and now suffer with low ball speed. Problem is when I tried 14, my ball speed did not change. What did chage for me was my accuracy. The 14lb was all over the place. while I was way more consistent with the 15. Could be just a matter of practise. My normal stance on my house shot is stand 35, aim 15, 10 at range finders.
Not much difference in speed
yes it does
Spinner winner ball spinner 😁
Very Interesting (Honest comment but I am SURE it won't be the most liked :) )
Merch idea on this video
I read through one of the comments and some people are complete assholes! Elise, you are a beautiful person and best looking ones on the tour. Nate is a lucky man for sure!!
Anywho, main purpose for the post. You guys should make some merch with some of the funnies that you said. “Rumper Dumper” “Thumper Dumper” “Bumper Stumper” “Lofter Rofter” “Snapper Dapper”put them on patches we can iron on our bowling shirts. Or even make up some T-Shirts with a Nate and Elise logo.
Hi everyone 🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
Hey Nate and Elise
That ball is better with breathing room
RG is higher in the 14lb ball
I mentioned that - Nate
I dropped down to a 13 lb venom shock from a 14 lb primal shock,. I actually use both but seem to drop the primal now, lol
Seems like it's just physics. Less weight = better control, slightly more lift. In the future, please try 14 vs 13 vs 12 vs 10 lbs.
I wouldn't go below 14 unless you have to because your speed is too low to be consistent. They really start deflecting a lot making it harder to strike.
Also at 13 lbs you do get a different weight block. It is supposed to simulate the same rg and differential but is not same as 16 15 14.
She's beautiful
Nate and Elise extras T Shirt
Sorry but I was extremely disappointed with the video. You need to announce the weight of the ball prior to the shot.
Don't talk about the 14 or 15 lb balls, I want to know why recently it looks like Elise has gained 14 or 15 lbs. Sorry, but it's noticeable. I wish she could lose 50 lbs somehow.
Why do you WISH I could lose 50lbs? You don’t even know what I weigh… I’m just not quite sure how that changes your day to day life?
We forgot to edit it in 😢 sorry!
@@bennybuffylovewhen bothered so much you post rude comments. Change your channel before posting to avoid being an anxious a**.
@@bennybuffylovewhy are you such a shallow person? Aside from being an amazing bowler, educator and entertainer. Elise happens to be very attractive in many ways, your comment isn’t even needed. While we are entitled to our own opinions I think you should take yours and go somewhere else. It wasn’t to me; however, it bothers me.
If you spend a few more days at the gym the 15-pound bowling ball would have won.
If you throw the 15 better, the 14 just goes up accordingly. I throw both and have no troubles handling 15, but I still throw 14 a little faster and catch it a little cleaner. No difference whatsoever in carry, in fact if anything the 14 tends to be marginally better.
I like your thumper dumper