This is such a great and informative video sir. I'm glad you like it and that you found my installation video helpful 👊😊🤙 I love and had my steering damper on my Zero10X for a year now and I agree with you it is a wonderful and useful upgrade to have. Take care and keep creating awesome content 😎
Thanks mate ! And thanks for your excellent instructions video! I would have been scratching my head without your video, since no instructions came with the damper. Ride on brother !🤙😎
What a difference it makes. I'm glad i got it. Took a bit of getting used to. I've got 14 clicks on mine. So before the damper I went over a dipped drain, scary. With the damper, I've come across bumps and dips and no problems. The two grub screws on the base of the stem (where rugged clamp is) one of them stripped, so I drilled the holes to M8 and put on bigger grubs. Much better..Thanks for this video!!
My Bronco Xtreme comes with a damper. It was missing from mine when it arrived. Of course I rode it while it was being shipped. Above 40mph it has some wobble. After the damper was installed it made a world of difference. Above 50mph it still feels solid and secure. Recommended for those that will fide their fast scooters fast.
Update: This damper has saved my ass many times! I've also done over 2000 miles since I got it on June 24th this year! Also changed tyres to all terrain. Much much better!
Just bought mine at Falcon Pev, thanks for the tip. When I go around 30ish speed and beyond as you had said the 10X front wheel are wobbly compared to my other 2 diff brand of scooters.
I was considering steering damper too, also for zero 10x. However I think I adjusted and I feel fully in control at high speeds. What I do is to try shift most of the weight to the back leg holding the handlebar very lightly. The front wheel almost never attempts to wobble. I feel that having a lot of weight at back of scooter affects the virtual caster but happy to be corrected. I had scooter for 8 months and done 1600 miles without damper.
Hey Vlad, that's really interesting ! Could be a cheaper fix. Maybe having less weight over the front wheel allows it to float over ruts instead of hitting them hard. I use that technique whenever I see an obvious hole or bump that I cannot avoid. Of course it doesn't work when you are braking since all the weight is naturally transferred over the front wheel. Stay safe ! Mark.
Brilliant and informative video - I have a Realmax SK-11 scooter from China, and also installed a damper, I find the damper really helps above speeds of 50km and even more so above 65km..... Gives it a more positive and safer feel
Absolutely THE video I was looking for! Your explanation of caster was great! I recently received my new Varla Eagle One which appears to me to simply be a rebranded 10x. One of the first things I noticed (which you also addressed), was my instinctual impulse to take my hands of the bars to “rest” as I’ve down for forty years of bike riding, but….thankfully my higher instincts to stay living, or at least out of the hospital, prevailed. I’m definitely ordering one of these dampers. Near as I can tell it will take about a month for it to be delivered here to Colorado in the States. Hopefully I will still be alive. ;-) Thanks for this video which very perfectly answered the questions I had!
@@MarksElectricLife installed my steering stabilizer. Magnificent and confidence-inducing enhancement! Now I can scratch my nose when I run into a bug (or, vice/versa), without fear. Excellent.
I don't have a scooter but I found this very interesting. I can't say that I would want a steering damper on my motorcycle like you showed a the beginning.
Great video and related info. Well done! Also fitted a damper to my Zero 10X and have never looked back. Only limitation is turning circle but many many more positives on the comfort, stability and safety sides.
Hi Lindsay, thanks for the feedback! Yes, I forgot to mention the turning circle limitation. That said, I don't find it to be too much of an issue except when trying to get through a tight doorway or into an elevator. Have a great day !
i have a xiaomi scooter and ive tightened the screw inside the stem so much that the handlebar locks in place when its exactly straight. i love it like that!
Good video. Scooter trail (or the lack of it) is not well understood. The other factor that impacts on the amount of front wheel trail on the 10X (and scooter stability) is the angle of the swing arm. As the front end sags under load, the trail reduces to the point it becomes 'lead' - resulting in an even twitchier front end. I've raised the ride height to drop the swing arm as much as practical to give the greatest amount of trail (effectively dropped the axle by 30mm). I've also fitted a long stroke damper (facing backwards) which gives full steering angle. Much better for maneuvering. I've also fitted DNM air shocks front and back, which work well. 1200kms with this setup so far. All good.
Hey Doug, thanks for the feedback. I love it when engineers start tinkering with stuff ! Maybe you could make a quick video of your 10X to inspire us all 👍
@@MarksElectricLife I'm not much of a video producer - however if you PM me I will share a bunch of photos and info on things I've done to my 10x. Some have been great. Some not so good. Regards Doug Hill, Brisbane.
I have a Kaabo mantis king GT without a steering dampener and it’s solid at 60 kph. I was considering a steering dampener but haven’t seen the need yet. I usually keep it at the legal 20kph where there’s practically no risk.
Great video. I've got a Bexly 10X which is basically the same scooter and that sharp, ultra tweaky steering was the first thing I noticed and causes me concern as I teach the kids to ride it. I think this will be the first accessory I buy.
Hi Spagman, thanks for the positive feedback. Yeah the Bexly is basically the same scooter (Aussie version I think?). The same damper should fit your scooter and I would definitely install one before putting the kids on there. Ride on!
Had a speed wobble last weekend going flat out on my zero 10x, spent 2 days in hospital ☹ I was a right mess. Shorts n t shirt with no helmet! Bad idea.
I have the x-tron x10, model similar to the zero 10x but it does not have a thing, the 2 holes that are on the fork in front, how do I do, do you have any ideas?
I definetly need a speed damper. I got into an accident and it was bad because I lost control of the handlebars. I just can’t find one. Do you know of a speed damper or a universal one? I have the Maxfun 10 Pro. Please and Thank You
Anyone know where to get a steering damper for a (zsnake,vreom, EFGTEC) 5600 dual motor.? I put wider bars with bar end weights and helped but not enough to max out speed
Will have to see if there is a way to put a damper on my Dragon GTR v2 as it needs it. Have to hang on like grim death on bad surfaces. I used them long ago on Kawasaki motorbikes and they worked well.
Hi Mark, do you own a version 2 of the Zero 10 x ? because i heard that there were issue with the Kwheel damper and version 2 of Zero 10 x. Thanks for your input. Christophe
Hi YW, the damper hardware needs to be matched to your brand and model. I know they make them to suit the Kaabo Mantis. You might need to search the web for you brand of scooter and "steering damper". Good luck!
I just got my damper kit. What is the purpose of the two grub screws that need to be removed for the front clamp at front of stem for? Reason I ask, is because the pitches on the front clamp are misaligned Grrrrrr! I have one long screw and one short screw. I may need to use extra washers for the extra length of the long screw not going in fully. But those two grub screws... What do they secure?
Hi JC, have you watched the installation video (link in my description of this video) ? The bracket that you attach to the bottom of the stem is held in place by two equal length screws that have a normal hex head on them (not grub screws). From memory they are about 5mm diameter and 15-20mm long. But before you can insert these screws you need to remove the two grub screws that are installed by the factory into the holes on each opposite sides of the stem. I hope this makes sense but it's hard to know without seeing what you are seeing. Good luck man !
@@MarksElectricLife The grub screws I'm talking of, are what is already in the stem. I removed them, then used the screws provided. I don't have same kit as you unfortunately. Just wondering what these two grub screws tighten on to (safety question) prior to installing the kit. The kit I have is not good at all. As I was saying the pitch on that half circle clamp is awful. I've actually sheared one of the screws. Will need to drill it out. Another thing I've noticed is the whole steering is now limited. Won't know until its properly installed what a difference this will make. I've gotten used to being able to manouvre the whole wheel when in tight spaces and taking out of house for example.
@@jasecee8992 Ok, so they are no longer required as the two screws that came with the kit serve the same purpose. They do two things. Firstly they hold the bracket to the bottom of the stem. Secondly, they hold the swing arm in the correct orientation to the stem (that is what the removed grub screws were doing).
My damper finally arrived but I'm having trouble attaching the neck part to the stem, the screws seem to be too long. I've just read a few people talking about some 'stem screws' that need to be removed so these screws will fit. Any idea about that and how to remove them?
Hi Damez! Yeah, that's correct. There will be two set screws installed by the factory that need to be removed first. You just need to get the right size Allen key to engage in the head of these screws. I think it is about a 3mm key that you need. When you insert the key into the hole you will be able to feel it engage in the head of the bolt, which is well down inside the hole. On my scooter they were glued with thread locker so it takes a bit of force to unscrew them (but not excessive). Hope this helps. Let me know how you go? Mark.
@@MarksElectricLife Hey Mark, thanks for your help! I did as you said and everything worked out great! Took her for a quick test run and the difference is truly astounding, I can't believe it. Looking forward to taking her out for a decent run later. Thanks again and keep up the great content :)
Hi again mate, I've started having issues with the damper. At the front there's that small screw that apparently just screws in to keep the bracket from going up and down when you turn the handlebars, but the screw has eaten away at the metal of the steering stem and now when I turn the handlebars the damper bracket slips up and down. I tried tightening that little screw but now the head is stripped and the allan key just turns around in it. Have you had a similar issue? Any suggestions? Should I just replace the screw with a new one, maybe that will fix it? UPDATE: Ignore that, I just found a longer, stronger screw with a proper head that will hold the bracket in place for aeons. But let that serve as a warning to anyone else who bought the type of damper that has that screw in the front of the bracket, upgrade the screw immediately!
Hi I got a nanrobot d6+ and wanted to buy one for mine from Ali express. There so many different ones and cannot find one which will fit mine. Also been told they don't make one for nanrobot but many have drilled the holes in a different place because the damper holes don't match the board which can be solved once purchase and easy enough to fit. If anyone have a damper on there nanrobot models and can direct me to a Good quality one on Ali express it would be so much appreciated 👍👍👍
Is it possible to add a steering damper to any e scooter? I find that mine gets slight wobble at 20 odd mph but when hitting little bumps at that speed makes my wheels jolt a lot and as it happens sometimes I’m like shit, did I almost just come off due to a silly little bump turning my wheel.
Hi Michael, I have never ridden the 11X so can't really say whether it suffers from the same wobble. I would make these observations looking at a photo of the 11X. Firstly, it will handle bumps and uneven surfaces better with the larger wheel. It should also provide more gyro force to help stay on track. It appears to have slightly more caster/trail than the 10X but that could just be the angle at which the photo is taken. If it does then this would also help with stability. I'm not sure how much difference the dual forks will make because, unlike the Wolf Warrior, the 10X has a rather strange design, where the forks end at a yolk, which is then linked at a single point of connection to the swing arm. It seems to me that this would defeat the advantage of having dual forks - i.e. steering force applied at two points, each end of the axle. It is my belief that this is what makes the WW feel more stable on rough surfaces, because you have a mechanical advantage by applying the force from your arms to two points several inches away from the centre of the wheel (or point of disturbance). On any scooter with a single swing arm you are only applying force at one point, roughly in the middle of the wheel. Maybe there is someone with more engineering knowledge who can add to this comments. Have a great day ! Mark.
What isn't made in China? And if it says made in America it's probably a lie. American made doesn't make it better humans are humans everywhere. Gm cars mess up too even though there made in USA.
I added a damper to my 10x 60V and boy what a difference it makes! So much more stable, especially over choppy surfaces while going 60kph.
This is such a great and informative video sir. I'm glad you like it and that you found my installation video helpful 👊😊🤙
I love and had my steering damper on my Zero10X for a year now and I agree with you it is a wonderful and useful upgrade to have. Take care and keep creating awesome content 😎
Thanks mate ! And thanks for your excellent instructions video! I would have been scratching my head without your video, since no instructions came with the damper. Ride on brother !🤙😎
What a difference it makes. I'm glad i got it. Took a bit of getting used to. I've got 14 clicks on mine.
So before the damper I went over a dipped drain, scary. With the damper, I've come across bumps and dips and no problems.
The two grub screws on the base of the stem (where rugged clamp is) one of them stripped, so I drilled the holes to M8 and put on bigger grubs. Much better..Thanks for this video!!
My Bronco Xtreme comes with a damper. It was missing from mine when it arrived. Of course I rode it while it was being shipped. Above 40mph it has some wobble. After the damper was installed it made a world of difference. Above 50mph it still feels solid and secure. Recommended for those that will fide their fast scooters fast.
your scooter gets to 50 mph? holy molly
Update: This damper has saved my ass many times! I've also done over 2000 miles since I got it on June 24th this year!
Also changed tyres to all terrain. Much much better!
Just bought mine at Falcon Pev, thanks for the tip.
When I go around 30ish speed and beyond as you had said the 10X front wheel are wobbly compared to my other 2 diff brand of scooters.
I was considering steering damper too, also for zero 10x. However I think I adjusted and I feel fully in control at high speeds. What I do is to try shift most of the weight to the back leg holding the handlebar very lightly. The front wheel almost never attempts to wobble. I feel that having a lot of weight at back of scooter affects the virtual caster but happy to be corrected.
I had scooter for 8 months and done 1600 miles without damper.
Hey Vlad, that's really interesting ! Could be a cheaper fix. Maybe having less weight over the front wheel allows it to float over ruts instead of hitting them hard. I use that technique whenever I see an obvious hole or bump that I cannot avoid. Of course it doesn't work when you are braking since all the weight is naturally transferred over the front wheel. Stay safe ! Mark.
Another very useful video. Ordered my damper a couple of days ago, waiting impatiently for it to arrive.
Brilliant and informative video - I have a Realmax SK-11 scooter from China, and also installed a damper, I find the damper really helps above speeds of 50km and even more so above 65km..... Gives it a more positive and safer feel
Hi Tim, thanks for the positive feedback! Ride on !
Absolutely THE video I was looking for! Your explanation of caster was great! I recently received my new Varla Eagle One which appears to me to simply be a rebranded 10x. One of the first things I noticed (which you also addressed), was my instinctual impulse to take my hands of the bars to “rest” as I’ve down for forty years of bike riding, but….thankfully my higher instincts to stay living, or at least out of the hospital, prevailed. I’m definitely ordering one of these dampers. Near as I can tell it will take about a month for it to be delivered here to Colorado in the States. Hopefully I will still be alive. ;-) Thanks for this video which very perfectly answered the questions I had!
Hi GM, thanks for the positive feedback. I'm glad this was useful to you. Ride safe !👍
@@MarksElectricLife installed my steering stabilizer. Magnificent and confidence-inducing enhancement! Now I can scratch my nose when I run into a bug (or, vice/versa), without fear. Excellent.
@@goobermcgylish5666 Hey, that's great to hear GM ! Ride on !
I don't have a scooter but I found this very interesting. I can't say that I would want a steering damper on my motorcycle like you showed a the beginning.
Made a huge difference for me. Love it.
Great explanations in here; thanks for the video!
Great video and related info. Well done! Also fitted a damper to my Zero 10X and have never looked back. Only limitation is turning circle but many many more positives on the comfort, stability and safety sides.
Hi Lindsay, thanks for the feedback! Yes, I forgot to mention the turning circle limitation. That said, I don't find it to be too much of an issue except when trying to get through a tight doorway or into an elevator. Have a great day !
Thankyou for this video. It goes a long way to helping me make a decision what scooter to buy for my first scooter.
Thanks for the positive feedback SA ! Glad you found the info helpful.
Great, informative video. Thank you. I just ordered a damper for my Vsett 10+, hoping that it will make it safer for me at higher speeds.
i have a xiaomi scooter and ive tightened the screw inside the stem so much that the handlebar locks in place when its exactly straight. i love it like that!
Good video. Scooter trail (or the lack of it) is not well understood. The other factor that impacts on the amount of front wheel trail on the 10X (and scooter stability) is the angle of the swing arm. As the front end sags under load, the trail reduces to the point it becomes 'lead' - resulting in an even twitchier front end. I've raised the ride height to drop the swing arm as much as practical to give the greatest amount of trail (effectively dropped the axle by 30mm). I've also fitted a long stroke damper (facing backwards) which gives full steering angle. Much better for maneuvering. I've also fitted DNM air shocks front and back, which work well. 1200kms with this setup so far. All good.
Hey Doug, thanks for the feedback. I love it when engineers start tinkering with stuff ! Maybe you could make a quick video of your 10X to inspire us all 👍
@@MarksElectricLife I'm not much of a video producer - however if you PM me I will share a bunch of photos and info on things I've done to my 10x. Some have been great. Some not so good. Regards Doug Hill, Brisbane.
@@doughill0154 hello, please, what is the model and size of the shock absorber you installed in the front?
I have a Kaabo mantis king GT without a steering dampener and it’s solid at 60 kph.
I was considering a steering dampener but haven’t seen the need yet. I usually keep it at the legal 20kph where there’s practically no risk.
Great video. I've got a Bexly 10X which is basically the same scooter and that sharp, ultra tweaky steering was the first thing I noticed and causes me concern as I teach the kids to ride it. I think this will be the first accessory I buy.
Hi Spagman, thanks for the positive feedback. Yeah the Bexly is basically the same scooter (Aussie version I think?). The same damper should fit your scooter and I would definitely install one before putting the kids on there. Ride on!
I didn't have a damper on my old Zero10x but I do need it on my VSett10+.
Very nice video. Thank you very much
Very good video
Thanks CL !
Interesting content!
Had a speed wobble last weekend going flat out on my zero 10x, spent 2 days in hospital ☹ I was a right mess. Shorts n t shirt with no helmet! Bad idea.
I have the x-tron x10, model similar to the zero 10x but it does not have a thing, the 2 holes that are on the fork in front, how do I do, do you have any ideas?
I definetly need a speed damper. I got into an accident and it was bad because I lost control of the handlebars. I just can’t find one. Do you know of a speed damper or a universal one? I have the Maxfun 10 Pro. Please and Thank You
what a cool dude!
There needs to be steering damper's for the nanrobot d6! I hope they add one before I buy one of their D6....
I just got a MotoTec Thor 60v 2400w scooter and I’m curious if I can add a damper?
front part allways get loose,, it forced me to loose the damper.. i think im using it at half strenght..
Anyone know where to get a steering damper for a (zsnake,vreom, EFGTEC) 5600 dual motor.? I put wider bars with bar end weights and helped but not enough to max out speed
Will have to see if there is a way to put a damper on my Dragon GTR v2 as it needs it. Have to hang on like grim death on bad surfaces. I used them long ago on Kawasaki motorbikes and they worked well.
Hi Mark, do you own a version 2 of the Zero 10 x ? because i heard that there were issue with the Kwheel damper and version 2 of Zero 10 x. Thanks for your input. Christophe
Hi Christophe, mine is the old version. Mark.
Great explanation thankyou
Nice input...
Thanks !😉
Whats the size of your front suspension?
Is it universal damper ? Im using other brand can i use to my scooter
Hi YW, the damper hardware needs to be matched to your brand and model. I know they make them to suit the Kaabo Mantis. You might need to search the web for you brand of scooter and "steering damper". Good luck!
I just got my damper kit. What is the purpose of the two grub screws that need to be removed for the front clamp at front of stem for?
Reason I ask, is because the pitches on the front clamp are misaligned Grrrrrr! I have one long screw and one short screw. I may need to use extra washers for the extra length of the long screw not going in fully.
But those two grub screws... What do they secure?
Hi JC, have you watched the installation video (link in my description of this video) ? The bracket that you attach to the bottom of the stem is held in place by two equal length screws that have a normal hex head on them (not grub screws). From memory they are about 5mm diameter and 15-20mm long. But before you can insert these screws you need to remove the two grub screws that are installed by the factory into the holes on each opposite sides of the stem. I hope this makes sense but it's hard to know without seeing what you are seeing. Good luck man !
@@MarksElectricLife The grub screws I'm talking of, are what is already in the stem. I removed them, then used the screws provided. I don't have same kit as you unfortunately. Just wondering what these two grub screws tighten on to (safety question) prior to installing the kit.
The kit I have is not good at all. As I was saying the pitch on that half circle clamp is awful. I've actually sheared one of the screws. Will need to drill it out.
Another thing I've noticed is the whole steering is now limited. Won't know until its properly installed what a difference this will make. I've gotten used to being able to manouvre the whole wheel when in tight spaces and taking out of house for example.
Do you mean the two screws that were installed by the factory ?
@@MarksElectricLife yes, sorry
@@jasecee8992 Ok, so they are no longer required as the two screws that came with the kit serve the same purpose. They do two things. Firstly they hold the bracket to the bottom of the stem. Secondly, they hold the swing arm in the correct orientation to the stem (that is what the removed grub screws were doing).
My damper finally arrived but I'm having trouble attaching the neck part to the stem, the screws seem to be too long. I've just read a few people talking about some 'stem screws' that need to be removed so these screws will fit. Any idea about that and how to remove them?
Hi Damez! Yeah, that's correct. There will be two set screws installed by the factory that need to be removed first. You just need to get the right size Allen key to engage in the head of these screws. I think it is about a 3mm key that you need. When you insert the key into the hole you will be able to feel it engage in the head of the bolt, which is well down inside the hole. On my scooter they were glued with thread locker so it takes a bit of force to unscrew them (but not excessive). Hope this helps. Let me know how you go? Mark.
@@MarksElectricLife Hey Mark, thanks for your help! I did as you said and everything worked out great! Took her for a quick test run and the difference is truly astounding, I can't believe it. Looking forward to taking her out for a decent run later. Thanks again and keep up the great content :)
@@Clipper_Damez Hey, that's great news ! Ride on ! 👍
That's only for C-type suspension NOT for dual front fork suspension!
Hi again mate, I've started having issues with the damper. At the front there's that small screw that apparently just screws in to keep the bracket from going up and down when you turn the handlebars, but the screw has eaten away at the metal of the steering stem and now when I turn the handlebars the damper bracket slips up and down. I tried tightening that little screw but now the head is stripped and the allan key just turns around in it. Have you had a similar issue? Any suggestions? Should I just replace the screw with a new one, maybe that will fix it?
UPDATE:
Ignore that, I just found a longer, stronger screw with a proper head that will hold the bracket in place for aeons. But let that serve as a warning to anyone else who bought the type of damper that has that screw in the front of the bracket, upgrade the screw immediately!
Hi Damez, thanks for that warning. I haven't had that problem so far but now know how to fix it if I do. Ride on!
Nice vid thanks again im your new subscriber
Thanks for the positive feedback! And thank you for subscribing. Ride on !👍
Hi I got a nanrobot d6+ and wanted to buy one for mine from Ali express. There so many different ones and cannot find one which will fit mine. Also been told they don't make one for nanrobot but many have drilled the holes in a different place because the damper holes don't match the board which can be solved once purchase and easy enough to fit. If anyone have a damper on there nanrobot models and can direct me to a Good quality one on Ali express it would be so much appreciated 👍👍👍
how about zero 10 only not zero 10x?
Is it possible to add a steering damper to any e scooter? I find that mine gets slight wobble at 20 odd mph but when hitting little bumps at that speed makes my wheels jolt a lot and as it happens sometimes I’m like shit, did I almost just come off due to a silly little bump turning my wheel.
Hi Graham, I think K-Wheel make ones to suit other models. You may need to search for you scooter and "K-wheel". Good luck !
@@electricscootersnow-austra1171I just had a search and couldn’t find anything, unfortunately. Thanks anyway mate. 👍
anybody know a steering damper for a wolf warrior 11+?
Extend handle bàr
Am I right in guessing this is not necessary for the 11X which has 11" Wheels?
Hi Michael, I have never ridden the 11X so can't really say whether it suffers from the same wobble. I would make these observations looking at a photo of the 11X. Firstly, it will handle bumps and uneven surfaces better with the larger wheel. It should also provide more gyro force to help stay on track. It appears to have slightly more caster/trail than the 10X but that could just be the angle at which the photo is taken. If it does then this would also help with stability. I'm not sure how much difference the dual forks will make because, unlike the Wolf Warrior, the 10X has a rather strange design, where the forks end at a yolk, which is then linked at a single point of connection to the swing arm. It seems to me that this would defeat the advantage of having dual forks - i.e. steering force applied at two points, each end of the axle. It is my belief that this is what makes the WW feel more stable on rough surfaces, because you have a mechanical advantage by applying the force from your arms to two points several inches away from the centre of the wheel (or point of disturbance). On any scooter with a single swing arm you are only applying force at one point, roughly in the middle of the wheel. Maybe there is someone with more engineering knowledge who can add to this comments. Have a great day ! Mark.
It’s probably good but just looks design wise really bad on the scooter. It should somehow be better integrated into to frame.
Get both all about safety first
What isn't made in China? And if it says made in America it's probably a lie. American made doesn't make it better humans are humans everywhere. Gm cars mess up too even though there made in USA.
The fact he said in summary at the end convinces me that he might have been an English teacher at some point.
Hi, please, what is your experience with this A5 front suspension? is the 125mm model? Is the front of the scooter not too low?