Time to time returns to this video. 3 inch toothpick bible) @Moe thank you for propagating 3inch light weight quads. They are really awesome. My favorite now is 2s 3inch analog 42.8 g + 18g gnb 2s 350mAh. With HappyModel 1202,5 8000kv, emax avan 3inch 3 blades and such light weight, power to wight ratio is so crazy, it is hard to describe how good it fly.
Yo more flight footage please! I really enjoyed this build I’m definitely going to have to build one. looks just my style. Also would be dope if you showed your pids on each build at the end of the next vid if you do so. Quality content👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you very much for the feedback and I will start sharing my tunes from here on out. I am just concerned that pilots might use them for any build which could cause some bad to worse results. I’ll just make sure to make it clear that I can only promise these pids will work on this EXACT setup. Thanks again for the advice I’ll definitely be doing this
I second that, huge fan of toothpicks and this thing is about as extreme toothpick as you can go. Would love to see more on these. Looks like they fly phenomenal. Would you consider releasing your tune? I would honestly build mine similar.
I will send you mine - if there is enough interest i may upload a video or maybe create a playlist for tunes. Do you have a discord or IG i can send them to you on? @@ZKingFPV
Can confirm. For moment I though you had stolen my drones. JK. But I do have two very similar drones. Mainly the motor, prop and frames you have. I'm using a different AIO 1-3s and I'm running mine on 2s. So mine are about 12 grams heavier than what you have. But one is heavier, and the lighter one is by far my favorite. The lighter one needs more tuning, etc etc. Almost everything you described is the experience I've had. My lighter one has hdzero and the heavier one has WS and I'm about to build a third with analog. Anyway I just sat down at my desk to do that and wanted to watch some drone motivation video, and yours popped up. AI is scary LOL. Great vid thanks for the motivation. On a seperate note, since your sharing with people how this form factor is unique and fun in a way that other drones aren't. Let me throw this out there for you. Recently I bought a "Chesty" (the new bag from Mr. Steele) and have REALLY enjoyed what it has done for making it easy to fly more often and new places. I didn't use it exactly the way he intended. I put my goggles in the main pocket and leave the controller hanging from the bottom of the bag with what is basically and crown royal pull string bag on it for protection. The last thing I have to do is make some small velcro straps to attach a few drones to the front velcro. In the second main pocket I carry 21700 6s batter I made originally for long range, and a charger (the ToolkitRC M8S). For the two side pockets I used some stuff I had a folded some boxes so nothing falls out the bottom. I put my batteries in those and transfer my batteries from one side to the other as they are used. But honestly the 21700 (let's call it megapack) allows me to charge, I don't even know, 20+ of my 2s 550mah batteries. Honestly it never comes to that. Usually I'm using it to charge my goggles or controller before that. The point is I have one small bag that carries every thing I need, and even if I have no packs charged I can always stop and fast charge a pack at 4c if i really wanna fly. Because I'm flying small drones it really opens up where I can fly without drawing negative attention, AND I don't ever have to set anything down, I'm free to fly and walk away at a moments notice, or search for a downed drone with out worrying someone will take off with my stuff left at a table etc, cause I live in a big city. I just wanted to share this with you cause It has been such an UPGRADE in the hobby for me. I just throw that bag in the car if I think there is even a chance I'll get to fly and if not no big deal.
Yeah that’s a good idea and I am really curious to see. I looked at a few motor charts and the draw seemed tolerable , but I had just heard mixed things about the diamond boards. Some loved them and some had bad experiences. Knock on wood, all good so far
@@MoeFPV my experience is OK so far too. But when I put 1102s with 2 inch props I was seeing 22A on punchouts. That's cutting it a bit fine at 5.5A per ESC; feels like 3 inch might be even more. But, I'm really tempted to try one now. It looks like a real ripper
Hey mo! Man I saw a frame on cncdrones called the TKS Echo 3.5 1s toothpick frame! it's a very minimal and very light looking frame. You should check it out! could be a great candidate frame for a 1s digital vtx build. Or even a full performance analog build. Just figured I'd mention it, very little info on RUclips about the frame and I think it's right up your alley! Really enjoy your content brother can't wait to see more!
Thank you very much for Zking! Ive heard good things about the TKS series but I havent seen the 3.5" before and I'm not sure i've ever seen 1s on that big of a prop. Wonder if its possible or how it preforms. I might have to check it out soon. Have a few builds on the list but I will queue this one up for sure. Been building more with walksnail recently so it might be a good fit. Thanks again for the tip and kind words
Dinglez! Thanks for watching , my friend. Don’t get me wrong, babytooth is still a super solid platform and more resilient/versatile , but I truly don’t think it can compete with the light weight build of this frame. I bet many people out there could bring it down even future. Definitely one of a kind
An other amazing video Moe! This frame is very good and the lighter build is the way to go I agree! It would be awesome if the company makes a freestyle version of this frame with the battery on top. I tend to prefer it and I think that with just a 3d printed mod they can achieve this target. Ps. I loved this thumbnail! 😂
Thank you Baffo , much appreciated! And I think Dao is mainly focused on the racing builds so I’m not sure they would do a top mount but I completely agree with you - I’ve been dying for a 3” ultralight frame with a top mounted battery. I think I may know of one coming out in the not so distant future, too 😏 I’ll keep you updated !
These look amazing. If I wasn't already sitting on a spare Crux3 frame. But these are probably wasted on a novice like me. Good build info though, that's not wasted on a novice like me ^_^ Looks like the renos are coming along, when do we get a tour? (Good taste in puter chairs Titan FTW!). Awesome backyard rip! Thanks for sharing the vids and these sweet builds! Cheers
Thank you Amin0!! I love me a trusty crux 3 so nothing wrong there ! I wouldn’t necessarily pick up one of these to beat around over a babytooth but if you’re at all interested in racing I really haven’t flown anything like this before. Thanks again for stopping by !
awesome video man! Maybe the KV of those motors on the lighter build allow you to run the diamond F4 safely? I use this board on my 2" baby turtle 1s with 1002 19000kv motors and I have burned a fet after multiple crashes. Was in summer though with higher temperatures also. Luckily you can almost get 2 of those boards for one of the flywoo ones :)
Geko ! Thanks man - and I’m not sure if I’m on borrowed time with the diamond or not but I have been pushing it and it’s still going strong. I’m gonna check the amps I’m pulling next time and see if she’s longed for this world. I once had a diamond die on me hitting a tree with a 45 mm whoop about 3 days into its life 😅 maybe they’re a crap shoot
Hey yo! I like your videos and want to build a 3" 1s freestyle drone only. Is there a build you can recommend or at least a frame? A Build would be awesome!!! edit: Oh well, at 13:54 you said the frame. But is there a build you have in mind?
Nice builds Moe! I have a set of brand new HM EX1203 11000kv motors. Wonder if those would work like your light build does..? Not sure the difference in the motors...? Maybe the 1203 11000kv motors were replaced with the 1202.5 11500kv motors...? And a bunch of those same green label GNB 550 1S packs with the GNB27 connectors and a spare Caddx Ant camera..
After trying the 75 Pro, I was surprised the flight times were not really affected vs 75mm even with the larger props, so I decided to use the older 85mm URUAV/happymodel frames that came in around 7-8 grams. I cut some plastic off and ended up with an HDZero build that weighed 34 grams using 1002s. Right now its my favorite 1s HDZero build because it seems to have that 75mm analog light feel while still getting 4 minute flight times, more if you arent punching throttle a lot. I am using the BT2.0 but I would think the A30s could be a decent middle of road alternative to the XT30? Supposedly they offer more amps with only a slight weight increase.
Very interesting build - sounds like a lot of fun ! I’m currently flying a 75 pro HDZ as well on 1102s and get decent flight times and performance with it. And to be honest, Chris I wasn’t aware that the A3 provided any benefits in current - did you see some information otherwise ? 1002s with 45mm props should be manageable by bt 2.0 in my opinion but I would be interested to know if there was a sag and performance improvement. This build really opened the rabbit hole for me on the X300 versus BT debate
@@MoeFPVGNB A30 and BT2 plugs are compatible. Both have the same pin connector. So there most probably is no performance benefit of the A30 over BT2 connector. I know A30 claims higher current.
@@MoeFPV When GNB released the A30 there was a chart floating around showing 12A rating for BT2.0 and 15A for the A30, Bardwell even released a video where he mentions the performance is as good or better but after you asked I did a quick search for the chart and stumbled across Oscar Liangs review which shows the BT2.0 actually having a tiny bit less voltage drop, so it's likely marketing hype suggesting its 15A vs 12A. I do know for a fact that BT2.0 works just fine on 2 cell 5 - 7 amp builds, so any 40 gram or under 2 cell build.
@@chrisbee5481 that is what I assumed TBH - I use them both interchangeably so assumed there was no real advantage of one over the other (aside from A30 being non proprietary) - thanks for the info
@@chrisbee5481 My thinking was they made the pins a little longer to achieve the higher rating yet still be compatible with BT2.0, but looking back now it's likely marketing bs.
I'm going for a under 30g build with 1202.5 motors, and X12 AIO. It's getting hard to get under but we will see. Can you share pids/filtering setup by any change?
12mm motor shouldn’t be much of an issue TBH especially with the lower pitched lighter Gemfan props. Happymodel used a 5a 2G4 AIO for their Crux 3 on 1202.5 motors. I wouldn’t really want to run the 13mm on 5a, especially a diamond board… but it PROBABLY wouldn’t explode ..
@@MoeFPV yeah I killed esc in crux1s+ws, I guess gyro was trying to compensate after bump or smth, are you sure its 5a? I know spec says that but its x12 board wich should be 12a? Do you think betafpv cross will do as a repacment?
@@h8er137 well there are two crux 3s I should have been more specific. The Crux3 1s ELRS is a 5a board, the discontinued 2G4. The 2s Crux3 uses the X12 board as its 12a and suitable for 2s. Beta makes a toothpick board - I would use that over the cross, TBH
The frames can be purchased here: daodesign.sg (also in description) but I believe the shop is closed for the holiday. Keep an eye out as they should be back soon
I had someone mention this and I think I will be sharing them going forward. Keep in mind the pids will only work for the EXACT BUILD 1 for 1. Once I dial these in a bit more I will update
Time to time returns to this video. 3 inch toothpick bible)
@Moe thank you for propagating 3inch light weight quads. They are really awesome.
My favorite now is 2s 3inch analog 42.8 g + 18g gnb 2s 350mAh. With HappyModel 1202,5 8000kv, emax avan 3inch 3 blades and such light weight, power to wight ratio is so crazy, it is hard to describe how good it fly.
Means a lot to hear that - thank you for the kind words and hope youre enjoying your builds!
Yo more flight footage please! I really enjoyed this build I’m definitely going to have to build one. looks just my style. Also would be dope if you showed your pids on each build at the end of the next vid if you do so. Quality content👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you very much for the feedback and I will start sharing my tunes from here on out. I am just concerned that pilots might use them for any build which could cause some bad to worse results. I’ll just make sure to make it clear that I can only promise these pids will work on this EXACT setup. Thanks again for the advice I’ll definitely be doing this
I second that, huge fan of toothpicks and this thing is about as extreme toothpick as you can go. Would love to see more on these. Looks like they fly phenomenal. Would you consider releasing your tune? I would honestly build mine similar.
@moefpv what’s the tune for the lighter one I got the frame all built I just need the tune
I will send you mine - if there is enough interest i may upload a video or maybe create a playlist for tunes. Do you have a discord or IG i can send them to you on?
@@ZKingFPV
Do you have an IG or a Discord? I can share it with you there@@alejandrodavis1465
Can confirm. For moment I though you had stolen my drones. JK. But I do have two very similar drones. Mainly the motor, prop and frames you have. I'm using a different AIO 1-3s and I'm running mine on 2s. So mine are about 12 grams heavier than what you have. But one is heavier, and the lighter one is by far my favorite. The lighter one needs more tuning, etc etc. Almost everything you described is the experience I've had. My lighter one has hdzero and the heavier one has WS and I'm about to build a third with analog. Anyway I just sat down at my desk to do that and wanted to watch some drone motivation video, and yours popped up. AI is scary LOL. Great vid thanks for the motivation.
On a seperate note, since your sharing with people how this form factor is unique and fun in a way that other drones aren't. Let me throw this out there for you. Recently I bought a "Chesty" (the new bag from Mr. Steele) and have REALLY enjoyed what it has done for making it easy to fly more often and new places. I didn't use it exactly the way he intended. I put my goggles in the main pocket and leave the controller hanging from the bottom of the bag with what is basically and crown royal pull string bag on it for protection. The last thing I have to do is make some small velcro straps to attach a few drones to the front velcro. In the second main pocket I carry 21700 6s batter I made originally for long range, and a charger (the ToolkitRC M8S). For the two side pockets I used some stuff I had a folded some boxes so nothing falls out the bottom. I put my batteries in those and transfer my batteries from one side to the other as they are used. But honestly the 21700 (let's call it megapack) allows me to charge, I don't even know, 20+ of my 2s 550mah batteries. Honestly it never comes to that. Usually I'm using it to charge my goggles or controller before that. The point is I have one small bag that carries every thing I need, and even if I have no packs charged I can always stop and fast charge a pack at 4c if i really wanna fly. Because I'm flying small drones it really opens up where I can fly without drawing negative attention, AND I don't ever have to set anything down, I'm free to fly and walk away at a moments notice, or search for a downed drone with out worrying someone will take off with my stuff left at a table etc, cause I live in a big city. I just wanted to share this with you cause It has been such an UPGRADE in the hobby for me. I just throw that bag in the car if I think there is even a chance I'll get to fly and if not no big deal.
Robin spent a looong time on this frame glad to see it getting some recognition. great vid man very well done!
Seems like it really is pushing the limit as to how light it can be while still being functional - absolutely loving it. Thanks for the kind words !
Throw the current draw up on the OSD so you can see if you are close to the limits (hitting 20A regularly etc)!
Yeah that’s a good idea and I am really curious to see. I looked at a few motor charts and the draw seemed tolerable , but I had just heard mixed things about the diamond boards. Some loved them and some had bad experiences. Knock on wood, all good so far
@@MoeFPV my experience is OK so far too. But when I put 1102s with 2 inch props I was seeing 22A on punchouts. That's cutting it a bit fine at 5.5A per ESC; feels like 3 inch might be even more. But, I'm really tempted to try one now. It looks like a real ripper
Hey! Its like a modern version of the old dream catcher frame for brushed motors. Nice!
Thank you! Not familiar with that frame but I’ll have to check it out - sounds like a cool piece of history
Ohh yeah! Micro Motor Warehouse! I miss those days.
Hey mo! Man I saw a frame on cncdrones called the TKS Echo 3.5 1s toothpick frame! it's a very minimal and very light looking frame. You should check it out! could be a great candidate frame for a 1s digital vtx build. Or even a full performance analog build. Just figured I'd mention it, very little info on RUclips about the frame and I think it's right up your alley! Really enjoy your content brother can't wait to see more!
Thank you very much for Zking! Ive heard good things about the TKS series but I havent seen the 3.5" before and I'm not sure i've ever seen 1s on that big of a prop. Wonder if its possible or how it preforms. I might have to check it out soon. Have a few builds on the list but I will queue this one up for sure. Been building more with walksnail recently so it might be a good fit. Thanks again for the tip and kind words
Love your videos.. these toothpick builds are such a joy to watch. Keep them coming brotha❤
Thank you very much! Should have a 3s Walknsail build coming in the next few weeks : )
Clean builds man! Great flights, thanks for sharing these
Much appreciated man , thanks for checking it out !
Awesome video Moe! Your videos are making me want to build a toothpick!
Very nice builds! Have to try that myself too 😊🎉
That’s light af boi!!
I’m very interested in building one now because I thought the original babytooth couldn’t get any better…..
Dinglez! Thanks for watching , my friend. Don’t get me wrong, babytooth is still a super solid platform and more resilient/versatile , but I truly don’t think it can compete with the light weight build of this frame. I bet many people out there could bring it down even future. Definitely one of a kind
Great video as always bro!!! Killing it!!!
Much appreciated, Greenhorn ! 😁
An other amazing video Moe! This frame is very good and the lighter build is the way to go I agree! It would be awesome if the company makes a freestyle version of this frame with the battery on top. I tend to prefer it and I think that with just a 3d printed mod they can achieve this target.
Ps. I loved this thumbnail! 😂
Thank you Baffo , much appreciated! And I think Dao is mainly focused on the racing builds so I’m not sure they would do a top mount but I completely agree with you - I’ve been dying for a 3” ultralight frame with a top mounted battery. I think I may know of one coming out in the not so distant future, too 😏 I’ll keep you updated !
These look amazing. If I wasn't already sitting on a spare Crux3 frame. But these are probably wasted on a novice like me. Good build info though, that's not wasted on a novice like me ^_^
Looks like the renos are coming along, when do we get a tour? (Good taste in puter chairs Titan FTW!). Awesome backyard rip! Thanks for sharing the vids and these sweet builds! Cheers
Thank you Amin0!! I love me a trusty crux 3 so nothing wrong there ! I wouldn’t necessarily pick up one of these to beat around over a babytooth but if you’re at all interested in racing I really haven’t flown anything like this before. Thanks again for stopping by !
Awesome video, such a great presentation ❤
Much appreciated Kunlun! Hope I did the frame some justice
Nice work sir! Great content 👍
Much appreciated!
Nice builds. Gonna check one out!
They’re a lot of fun! I’ve been loving the ultralight one
Would be nice to share where you buy those parts(especially electronics). Thanks!
great review, dawg
Thanks kev !
awesome video man! Maybe the KV of those motors on the lighter build allow you to run the diamond F4 safely? I use this board on my 2" baby turtle 1s with 1002 19000kv motors and I have burned a fet after multiple crashes. Was in summer though with higher temperatures also.
Luckily you can almost get 2 of those boards for one of the flywoo ones :)
Geko ! Thanks man - and I’m not sure if I’m on borrowed time with the diamond or not but I have been pushing it and it’s still going strong. I’m gonna check the amps I’m pulling next time and see if she’s longed for this world. I once had a diamond die on me hitting a tree with a 45 mm whoop about 3 days into its life 😅 maybe they’re a crap shoot
Hey yo! I like your videos and want to build a 3" 1s freestyle drone only. Is there a build you can recommend or at least a frame? A Build would be awesome!!!
edit: Oh well, at 13:54 you said the frame. But is there a build you have in mind?
Nice builds Moe!
I have a set of brand new HM EX1203 11000kv motors. Wonder if those would work like your light build does..? Not sure the difference in the motors...?
Maybe the 1203 11000kv motors were replaced with the 1202.5 11500kv motors...?
And a bunch of those same green label GNB 550 1S packs with the GNB27 connectors and a spare Caddx Ant camera..
Thank you very much Chrys ! I will PM you discord shortly
Do you think that it will work with 1002 motors ?
MoeFPV
hey i have a question.. how do i record whats going on in the goggles to upload just like this please?
How much amps takes the lighter build ? It’s above 5A that is declared by happymodel in diamond aios ?
After trying the 75 Pro, I was surprised the flight times were not really affected vs 75mm even with the larger props, so I decided to use the older 85mm URUAV/happymodel frames that came in around 7-8 grams. I cut some plastic off and ended up with an HDZero build that weighed 34 grams using 1002s. Right now its my favorite 1s HDZero build because it seems to have that 75mm analog light feel while still getting 4 minute flight times, more if you arent punching throttle a lot. I am using the BT2.0 but I would think the A30s could be a decent middle of road alternative to the XT30? Supposedly they offer more amps with only a slight weight increase.
Very interesting build - sounds like a lot of fun ! I’m currently flying a 75 pro HDZ as well on 1102s and get decent flight times and performance with it. And to be honest, Chris I wasn’t aware that the A3 provided any benefits in current - did you see some information otherwise ? 1002s with 45mm props should be manageable by bt 2.0 in my opinion but I would be interested to know if there was a sag and performance improvement. This build really opened the rabbit hole for me on the X300 versus BT debate
@@MoeFPVGNB A30 and BT2 plugs are compatible. Both have the same pin connector. So there most probably is no performance benefit of the A30 over BT2 connector. I know A30 claims higher current.
@@MoeFPV When GNB released the A30 there was a chart floating around showing 12A rating for BT2.0 and 15A for the A30, Bardwell even released a video where he mentions the performance is as good or better but after you asked I did a quick search for the chart and stumbled across Oscar Liangs review which shows the BT2.0 actually having a tiny bit less voltage drop, so it's likely marketing hype suggesting its 15A vs 12A. I do know for a fact that BT2.0 works just fine on 2 cell 5 - 7 amp builds, so any 40 gram or under 2 cell build.
@@chrisbee5481 that is what I assumed TBH - I use them both interchangeably so assumed there was no real advantage of one over the other (aside from A30 being non proprietary) - thanks for the info
@@chrisbee5481 My thinking was they made the pins a little longer to achieve the higher rating yet still be compatible with BT2.0, but looking back now it's likely marketing bs.
bro what FC AIO you using on your toothpicks ? I Like to buy cause My ESC MOSFETST burns all time
are there any toothpick frames which has carbon toplate instead of tpu?
I'm going for a under 30g build with 1202.5 motors, and X12 AIO. It's getting hard to get under but we will see.
Can you share pids/filtering setup by any change?
Do you have an IG or a discord i can send them to you on? I might end up putting up a private video to share if there is enough interest
why not 2s 🤔
5a seems a little low for 12mm motor, am I right?
12mm motor shouldn’t be much of an issue TBH especially with the lower pitched lighter Gemfan props. Happymodel used a 5a 2G4 AIO for their Crux 3 on 1202.5 motors. I wouldn’t really want to run the 13mm on 5a, especially a diamond board… but it PROBABLY wouldn’t explode ..
@@MoeFPV yeah I killed esc in crux1s+ws, I guess gyro was trying to compensate after bump or smth, are you sure its 5a? I know spec says that but its x12 board wich should be 12a? Do you think betafpv cross will do as a repacment?
@@h8er137 well there are two crux 3s I should have been more specific. The Crux3 1s ELRS is a 5a board, the discontinued 2G4. The 2s Crux3 uses the X12 board as its 12a and suitable for 2s. Beta makes a toothpick board - I would use that over the cross, TBH
@@MoeFPV yeye Im talking about 1s, great with ws (thank you), anyways even mobula 7 had 12a, seems odd to fit 5a in crux.
hey can ask where did u buy the frame i cant find it
The frames can be purchased here: daodesign.sg (also in description) but I believe the shop is closed for the holiday. Keep an eye out as they should be back soon
ok thank u so mutch i found it and it si closed
@@MoeFPV
The flywoo board is expensive for sure. Let us know if its worth it.
Will definitely keep yall updated - I really want it to be good (and for $99 it really should be 😂)
Where did you get canopy for these?
The canopy TPU print is included with the frame , itself ! And you get to chose your favorite color :)
PIDs plz !!!!
I had someone mention this and I think I will be sharing them going forward. Keep in mind the pids will only work for the EXACT BUILD 1 for 1. Once I dial these in a bit more I will update
I woule to see a 2.5" 2s build from you. Theyre so zippy!
I believe a 2.5" is coming from Dao! But that one would be 1s. I actually dont think I ever have tried 2.5" 2s. I will have to check that out soon
@@MoeFPV nice🤙
I'm offended by your hot take lol jk
AH CRAP 😜