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How many are considering PACT Seaman or Undes? What do you think?
Great vid! I am going as PACT SN. Going to bootcamp on FEB. Kinda nervous and excited. New life, new experience, new people
this is exciting! You will LOVE A school because you will get to visit Chicago
I was in the pact program.. ended up getting a dar and switched to LS
How is the ET rate?
I was a pact SR in 2006, and then switched to MA in boot camp
6 year navy veteran. 1976-1982. We called them non-designated strikers, and they came back to Great Lakes for A.T.B.
Whatsup Mike! They went to Great Lakes after the struck for a job?
i also enjoy designing military uniforms. i'm a veteran that's a published author. 1 my books has over 40 illustrations of my uniform designs. i'm now making new edition versions of the books.
Kenneth Hamblett where can I view your art? ❤️
Finally a video that’s not just bashing pact just work hard
We like to keep it real over here 💯
It’s trash 🤷
Love it when an undes to 3rd has a warfare pin and the 2nd class doesn't! Plus side to undes life
Do you have a relative with the first name Bonnie?
“…if you join the Navy you should be on the ship because you’re a sailor..”
Absolutely!
-Lt. Green, US Navy Mountain Warfare Unit
Unless you go in as a seabees.
Eddie Hizo or AWO
Not if you are in a VQ squadron.
@@ZoomZip Can't wait to hear about the Air Force Submarine Fleet
😂facts
This is so inappropriate but it looks like you guys are passing a blunt back and forth and I can’t stop laughing every time you pass the mic 😂
😂 i will never see this video the same.......
🤣
hahahahahah seriously I thought about that too when I saw Austen interviewing a female hahaha
J. Vallejos lol 😂
Lmfao!!
I am at MEPs rn and watched your video and really opened my mind to Pact seaman. Thank you
"Pick what you want to do & not what you're told to do"
this was great man thanks for the video 🙂
exactly! Thanks, Patrick. I appreciate it
Completely forgot about PACT Fireman...
No shave chit for the win.
I scored 90 on my asvab but still had to choose undesignated because I'm not a us citizen yet , I only got the green card status so most of the jobs that I wanted and qualified for require US citizenship and all the jobs that I got offered do not require citizenship but all of them are not what I wanted to choose at first place. How unfortunate huh.
Anyways, I will keep my head up and try to get the naturalization process asap so I could select the rate that I wanted and suitable for me.
Update I’m on the same boat
same
This made me feel a little less nervous. I’m undes and going out on a ship in a few weeks. I’ve been stressed because all I’ve been hearing are really negative things about having this job, especially on a ship. Thank you!
How is it so far? I swore in yesterday as a pac seaman 🤦🏽♂️
@@Swiift2x You never hear from those people ever again, lol...The fall into the crevices of the service, forever stuck as a nobody, with no specific training.
@@SolApathy bro chill
@@Swiift2x I just completed Bootcamp and one of my Blue Rope RDC was a PACT he said it’s a bunch of Hardwork but he had a lot of fun before he struck for Seabee. I also talked to a lot of battle stations instructors that were PACT and they love it...and the BMs love us 😂
@@PureSinaatraa why and update
"Did you get that from Picasso?"😂😂😂
Lewis seems like a nice wholesome guy !
he is a cool dude
Austen Alexander he should make his own channel!
I wanna go undes cause it ship out the earliest and I’m tryna get out of my current situation.
Jo Vill I want to get out the earliest too but I chose an aviation rate (ABF). I requested to change an early ship off date and now I’m shipping off in a month. I went through MEPS a week ago.
Are you sure you really want to go undes? I think it’s better to have a rate and do your research
dude, do not go undes !! You're going to regret it man haha.
Yeah
@@ZoomZip i ended up going as GSM and im in A school rn
@@ZoomZip how so? Please let me know.
Seaman is an amazing job, at least you learn more than each others. learn how to servive in the bad day on the sea. learn how to manage your feeling once you away from home and family. and how to save life and collegue once you are facing the difficult moment.
Good job for gentleman.
“Never Again Volunteer Yourself”😂
Lewis seems like a great sensible guy!
Lewis" your the kind of person who I would want on my team !
3 thumbs up brother.
Lmao the beginning cracked me up. 1st I thought you were taking a blunt from him and not the microphone smh. 2nd the lap joke took me off guard lmao.
Good video
I'm taking undesig, been in DEP for wayyyy too long, 2 years in fact, I 'd rather do undesig while in , than waiting around for a job to come
Yea me too. All these jobs they offered at meps were terrible
Did you pick a rate yet after 2 years?
Did you pick a rate yet
Lol I’m in THU while typing this.
Im Going PACT, i leave 19 Nov, I heard a lot of bad things / good things about PACT/ undes, If you want a good rate, you have to work for it. I scored decent on ASVAB, I picked PACT because they didn't have all the other rates that i q'ld for open at the time. Like Lewis said, work hard. If your like me and a hard worker in the civilian life, you can prob make it a good run just like Lewis said. do good, work hard, you'll be OK. I see so much shame for people going undes / PACT, but the plus side is your not fully locked to a rate that you or may not like, so you get to see all the inputs.Work Hard = Succeed, Take BS work = Learn and still Succeed
exaclty. sounds like you understand it completely. just work hard and the good will come
your face when he said “ you should be on a ship because you’re a sailor “ I’m dying 😂
Bro I was scratching my head at first, but then it dawned on me that there are navy personnel who are stationed at bases, and or their own housing outside of the ones residing on the aircraft carrier or battleship...it makes sense if you take a moment
Me being A pact on shore duty like 🙄
They are messing with a lot of folks that were lined up for rates with their contracts and screwing them over, and forcing them to go undes because the turnover rate is so bad at some of these A school stations. Poor command leadership is to blame, forcing people undes instead of fixing the underlying problem is a huge hit on morale. These videos make it look like undes is a great thing...It's great unless you are someone with a solid ASVAB that is now in limbo. What a horrible way to treat people.
I was a Nuke Drop with a 99 on the ASVAB. 92 College Credit Hours with 3.8 GPA. Typical Eagle Scout and loves to work. Nuke Program hit hard with Covid restrictions and that I saw someone attempt to kill themselves in the pipeline. I wigged out and went to outpatient therapy. Spent 8 months in limbo TPU to be given undesignated orders and just picked up RP after a year in seaman pact. I wasn't given any options but to go undes though because I did all the right things and followed my chain of commands instructions. Problem with the Navy is they will reward people who don't appreciate it.
i really wish i went navy instead. i'm army veteran, to my knowledge, on dad's side, 4th generayion in row to go army. i would love to have eithert been religious programs specialist or security forces in the navy. i'm 42 in april. stay awesome. :)
I'm in the DEP for the Navy and my ship out date is January 29th. I wanted to pick MA as my rate but failed the depth perception eye test. I was offered the pact seaman rate, but how it was presented to me was kind of a turn off. I ended up picking my 2nd choice QM which sounds very exciting the more I learn about the rate.
yes I hear QM is a good rate. My buddy is a QM in Virginia. I believe you will have lots of ship time
QM don’t do shit!! Ur job sucks
Congrats man I ship 22jan2019 I wanted MA as well but it wasn’t offered so I got my second choice HM. See you at Great Lakes
@@brandoncarson9743 I think they are picky on who Navy select for MA. The ASVAB scort isn't the highest, so a lot of people qualify, but I think they find reasons to dq folk.
Need to show discretion posting dates about military personnel is a violation of OPSEC.
Hey Austen great video and thanks to Lewis for his info as well. I am currently in the process of joining the Navy. Wondering if there is a certain length of time before you can choose a rate. In mycase I plan to be an HM but at the moment there's a year wait for that. If you are undeclared and the position you want opens up at any time are you able to take it or is there a certain length of time you must wait before you can choose that option thank you.
Ibelieve it's 2 years before you can strike. HM is awesome but crazy over manned right now so advancements will be slow.
I did that pact seamen during my ship duties on a battleship in 1987 when I served. Amazing this hasn't change much.
I live about a mile from the Seal Beach facility and always wondered what goes on there because you see very little activity from Westminster Blvd when driving by...........
Lots of high-level intel stuff, few squirrels here and there, a few sailors and lots of Monster energy drinks lol
@@AustenAlexander What I see driving by is a lot of guys picking crops (inside the fence).......which always seems odd to me. As a US citizen and veteran I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be allowed inside but if you're some dude with sketchy docs and a sombrero on the back of a flatbed you're ushered right through.....just kind of funny.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not lol I've never seen a garden here anywhere. And of course, you will be allowed on if you have a Veteran ID or an escort. Come to say hello one day! I'll show you around
So I just recently sworn into the navy and this is what I went with. I already kinda like Boatswains mate but I went with PACT seamen just out of curiosity to see what else there is maybe see if I like something else. And boy…I’m excited and nervous as hell for this new chapter of my life.
This currently me choosing my job on Friday but the recruiter mentioned to go undesignated… but I really like BM as well. And I’m scared for my future if I go in as a pact seaman
Undes is just a way for military industrial complex to keep hiring ppl so admirals keep getting higher budgets. It’s also a way to not use civilian clean up since that’s more expensive
My son scored an 83 on his asvab. He picked OS as his job. His job wasn’t available at the time and he didn’t know when it would “open up”. Fast forward his recruiter told him to go undesignated My son trust him. As per my son it’s his biggest regret.
Yea the recruiter might have just wanted to get him in...sorry to hear that...when he is ready to strike though he will have lots of jobs available
I wanted to be an OS as well, but I already signed for AO (Second Option) because I wanted to secure the job. The OS opened up, and wanted to change my rate, the recruiter said it’s not possible to switch
Undesignated seaman hardly gets to see other rates. They mostly paint, clean, drive the ship, stand lookout and do pier security. It is ridiculously long hours and hard work. It is also extremely rewarding. I don't suggest anyone goes designated unless someone thinks they want to go BM. If you end up not liking it then you have a chance after a few years to strike out and chose a different job.
What's BM?
@@TsunaSetsu Boatswain's Mate
MA is also long hours
Hi, I just enlisted as a pact seaman yesterday and my husband is currently in the navy and he's telling me that after you pick your job after a year , you get automatically get E-3 ? Is that true
I'm going as a E-1
I’m pact Airman striking for either AZ or PR. I’m also on shore duty for my first command at CAG 5 and it’s the best thing ever!🙂
Aliza Nicole I’m tryna go AZ hopefully I get it joining this month
Good luck I think i’m going pact seaman. I’m not sure yet
Did you start on a ship when you Where a pact airman?
How did it go
Another great vid Austen. You and Lewis make a great team for the channel. Makes me know now that PACT is kind of a good route to take and isn't all misery.
Maybe I can get him in some more videos soon
@@AustenAlexander Yeah that would be cool, he does good for someone that is camera shy Haha.
It's hard to get a rating if not in your contract. You have to learn the rating you want on your spare time. You do better in the Army or Marine Corp as an infantrymen . I got out as a deck seaman still an e 3 . I did better in Air Force going through R.O.T.C ,commissioned as a second lieutenant, combat controller. Pact seaman you fucked, get a rating .
Pact seaman you a janitor, mopping,painting,sanding. You can go on ship as an infantryman in Marine Corp.
Join the Army or Marine Corp as an infantrymen is much better deal than Pact seaman.
I just got rerated to pact seaman. I wanted CM or GM and didn’t get those options. 2 days later my buddy gets to pick his rate and his options are OS, CM, GM and undes he picked undes. So far nothing good has come out of the navy for me besides getting paid.
Oof that sucks. Are you still a pact SN or did you get another chance to re-rate?
@@lablabdog still pact I gotta wait a year before I can strike a rate and if I don’t they just make me a BM
@@michaelyoung8382 oof. Well it’s not too late to retake the ASVAB and score high enough to get one of the intel rates.
I’m going to MEPS tomorrow and qualify and want to do MA. But the problem is I have hearing loss in my left ear. I was wondering if SPACT could possibly increase my chances of getting MA while in the Navy. I sign my contract tomorrow and stuff I’m just worried MA won’t be there despite me qualifying.
Managed to find my old comment lmao, I got MA and thankfully didn’t go SPACT, my time in boot camp showed me that SPACT has some of the worst sailors imaginable, unfortunately good sailors get caught into the mix because they were lied to by their recruiters. My advice is to never go PACT anything.
Is it possible to go HM as a PACT-SN?
I work at the University of Washington, a lot of squirrels, and one jumped out of tree near me when I was at work! _ NO joke.
I like Lewis, it seems like if you are in the Navy you should be all about being on ship and deploying
Petty Officer Hope You Give me A Tip for The Bootcamp. I'll Be Shipping out To bootcamp Next Year Around May 19th 2021. And My Job Is Pact Seaman.
Fireman PACT ship out August 1st , it was either that or a cook so I took what they gave me. Trying to look for all the info I can gather about being undesignated but there’s not a lot of positive ones out there
yes not alot of positivity...but you will be fine and get to explore lots of places
I m from India, my first love in Navy, I like Royal Navy. Your youtube video I like so much. 👍
thanks!
is MA master at arms for military police
yeah MA, SF, MP, they are pretty much the same thing
Pretty cool rate. Just got out of A school for MA... waivered in after they told me undes was all they "had" -__- lol do your research before you pick something. Don't listen to your recruiters when they tell you it's the best choice or you can take advantage of the Navy for the enlistment bonus. Truth about the bonus that they don't say is that you get half after boot camp and it gets taxed and you get the other half in segments of your 4 year term. >=/
It stands for checking IDs
My recruiter set me up😢
Keep the interviews coming road to 10k
yesssss I plan to! Thanks for the support
Absolutely do not go into the Navy as undesignated. You're doing nothing but wasting your time. Your better off picking a rate that you can live with. That way you can actually advance, and not take the risk of having your career lying in the hands of people who don't care. Sure, you may get lucky and get the rate that you actually wanted when you initially joined, but the reality is you most likely won't. I waited for over two years to get shit sack shuffled into a direct convert rate. That same could be applied to 98% of anyone I've ever known who went down the same path.
Thanks for the heads up
Bro I fucked up. I chose pact seaman when I could’ve just took being a HM for $25,000
How is pact? Did u end up liking it?
“If you join the navy you should be on the ship because your a sailor”
6:59 his reaction had me laughing 😂
My man Lewis is a Real G. Going out on January 2020 and this video really pumped me up!!!
No rating is career suicide, at least when I was in 95 and 96
I’m about to leave for RTC Great Lakes in a couple weeks. As of right now my rate is PACT Airman but they are trying to get me to go EO. Thank you for theses videos
In order to select the MA rate before basic your math and WK has to meet the required score, if your go undesignated first and later decided to go in the MA rate would u still have to re-test in your asvab and score the same or what's the process going into MA as undesignated?
"You done? You sprinkled your sugar on top, errr uhm, salt?" 😂😂 i fkin laughed at that one 😂😂😂
Can I still do college as a seaman pact ?
I’m only qualified for Pac Seamen. Do they let you choose any job in the Navy & they 100% give it to you after the Program is over? My goal is MA too
If you are above 6’0 don’t go subs like I did
They tried to sucker me into another sub rate but I chose Undesignated instead my goal is to be an MA
How long did he wait to get MA? I know we have to be in PACT atleast 1 year and I hear its hard to strike a rate that we wnt. I got SNPACT (leaving Sept 2020) btw cause the rate I want is in that list but realized I'm a couple points off, can 1 retake asvab during that 1 year wait?
I came in as a E1 so had to wait but I was on the ship for year and a hslf
I’m Signed as MA but want to go undesignated because I want to go to school and MA hours will not work for that! I rather do anything than work 12-16 hours
i am undes. And i hated my life at first because we do the most stupidest shit on the ship although some of them are cool like boat ops,flight quarters or unrep. But most of the time u dostupid shit people around the ship thinks so low about you. The most free time u get is 4/5hours. But being undes builds character by the time u hit your 1year mark either youre shit/garbage or youre a rockstar in the navy. We deserve whatever we struck since we started from the very bottom and the real meaning of being a sailor. I hope every rate starts at undes/deck then u move up.
Austen Alexander
All LPRs are now placed in Seamenpac
while in DEP, when there BI clears they can pick a rate. I had Seabee UT then they changed it to that because of the rule change. But I'll probably pick it once my BI clears God Willing.
You mentioned you'd rather be a Seabed over a MA, why's that?
i just feel like SeaBee's get to travel a little more and go tad/tdy more often
When I went in . 1980 we would call these people strikers.
And that's what I was. I wanted to be in aviation. but did not know where I wanted to be.
I then chose AE' and that is how I got my designation. working my tail off after hours in the electronic shop.
Incredible how much thing's have changed.
If you know were to find flight line' you'l do just fine. lol.
I imagine back then there was more competition for the rates
Downtime as an undesignated means you are a skater and spend your time hiding instead of working. Also I will call you out on being able to work out twice a day as undesignated because that also means you were skating.
If you're E3 and below always look busy. Keep a bucket of water and a mop. When you see someone above rank or a yeoman, just start mopping.
Is it possible to become HM with this program? I know that it’s an overpopulated rate already I just want to know if it’s possible? I qualified for it on the ASVAB but wasn’t able to get the contract due to some old misdemeanors making me ineligible, they did tell me I’d be able to switch rates after 24months if I took one of the other MOS but Ik that that nearly never is the case. Specifically I want to go for HM-ATF and yes I have an idea on the difficulty of the task but if it’s possible I’ll stop at nothing to get it. Someone please get back to me! I ship out for bootcamp on June 12 2023, best of luck to those who plan on serving our country
i agree undesignated is the way to go
I’m not gonna watch the video, I’m just here to say that being an S-Pact is fucking garbage. Don’t fucking do it. I’ve heard that E-Pact is worse.
Lewis would disagree with you!! But I think the general consensus agrees with you
Binge watching your videos while on quarantine lol
YESSS
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Hey, isn't Lewis the fellow who lives in the barracks and collects shoes? Good bloke.
Guys like him are always valuable... Guys that will always say yes!
I’m a Pact-S atm, will I be able to strike for a Seabee rate ?
I signed my contract yesterday, I qualified for HM but I took the SN-Pact instead since I guaranteed myself the rank of E-4 since I'm going in as an E-3 right out of bootcamp. I guess the hard labor that entails the SN-Pact job description is worth the promotion and the ability to transfer to HM.
I've been reading things that say I should've went designated and joined HM right off the bat, but the promotions and ranking in that specific are like you said worse than if someone were to go OS.
Is it difficult to go to HM from s pact?
You are most likely going to have to extend your contract if you want the automatic E-4 if you are lucky enough to get the rate. You can’t make petty officer as undes
I was called a Deck Seaman, Deck Ape or just undesignated... Also 1st Division!
I converted to MA after I was what used to be called a 9545 (LE Specialist), just to have to be a 2nd Class to convert.
Thanks really good information
I enlisted in August 1977 and joined specifically to be a BM (Bosuns Mate). My recruiter said I could have "A" schools or airman, seaman,fireman but I said BM. After bootcamp I had 2 weeks of seaman apprentice school, then directly to the newly commissioned USS Oliver Hazard Perry FFG-7. We just called this as un designated rate. At the time, the MAA rate was open to only E-5 and above who changed their rate to MA. I had a strange journey in the Navy. I worked as a mess management specialist for two years, then as a deck seaman and my last year was appointment by the command Master Chief (VA-75) as leading seaman of 1st Lt. Division. I had the authority of a E-6 But not the pay or rank. Long...LONG hours aboard ship...I felt more like a slave than a sailor. Completed 6 years, honorable discharge.
When I joined I was guaranteed CTR school. They made an excuse of my enlistment being fraudulent to get me out of an overbooked CTR A school. They didn't have the term PACT, when I was in, it was called "undesignated striker". Not getting that CTR school was the best thing that ever happened to me. I spoke with CTRs at my command and I would've hated it. I got to go around the ship, visit all the departments and pick my own job. Got out after 4 years of excellent service as QM2 (SW). One of the best jobs I ever had in my life.
Man I had a really similar experience. When I enlisted I was supposed to be going to Nuclear Field School for 2 years of training... while in boot they said I hadn't disclosed three parking tickets I'd gotten from campus police at university and since they considered each one a crime :/ I couldn't get the required clearance. When I filled out all my paperwork my recruiter had told me that those didn't count as traffic offenses. :/ Editing to add... still had a valuable experience in the Navy just felt like I could have done so many more interesting things than unrated Airman. I would enjoyed things like working on aircraft, I'm great with my hands.
Well I'm Epact
Currently in a school
what is EPact?
@@AustenAlexander Epact = fire pact so all engine rates rates.
Same lol maybe we are in the same classroom 😂🤙
I currently am in the DEP Program but I ship out 12/06/2021 , a day before my birthday . And I had job options available for me . Don’t get me wrong , I had a decent ASVAB score but because the other jobs were closed I had to choose between being a CS or a PACT. Hearing this video motivates me even more, it’s all about working hard to earn that rate that you want. Thank you for this ! I swore in Yesterday, but I may leave earlier because that’s what I asked for was to leave ASAP. Hoping for the best!!
Hey! I ship out on the same day! I am in the Airman Pact, maybe we will see each other while in Bootcamp or going to A school! :)
@@miaredwine7040 I ship out the same day as well ! I hope to see you all there ! ☺️
@@jacindakendrick4068 awesome!! Do you have an Instagram to talk? :)
@@miaredwine7040 unfortunately i don't, do you have a snapchat instead ?
@@jacindakendrick4068 I got switched over to HM like I wanted but if you want we can still get each other’s snap so I can let you know how bootcamp is and give pointers!!
That's NOT sailor uniform. If you want to where that uniform join Marine, Seabee or Army.
Lol recheck your information
Mr shaving profile.
I was an undesignated SA in 1976 USS MIDWAY (CV-41). Nothing wrong that that. It makes you into a man. Served 22 years and never forget my friends in 1st. Division.
needle gunning" ships company . right ?
Im going as Pact Fireman Engineer, kinda nervous but we will see how it goes, I leave September 12
Subwolfer how’s it going?
Thats my rate im going into as
Could Navy sailors joins US Army Delta Force? Or its Only the Seals and DevGru?
So I’m a PACT Seaman I leave for basic training December 3 I was wondering what steps do I need to do to become a MA
You’ll have to be a PACT for 2 years and then strike for a rate. Try to volunteer for ASF or security department to get referrals! Hope this helps!
Thanks
Dang how the time flies, can’t believe we made this like 5 years ago
Don't want to be undesignated but it could work out get an a school go navy x uss trenton
Don't do it!
I apreaciate this video alot I'm a future sailor and I will be looking to be a seaman PACT and im very curious how my future will look like
Poor semen, I heard they're the worst.
Don't want to be stuck in a bad rate trying to get MA if they don't give it to me. I scored well on my asvab so I can do most jobs. lol even though my phones auto correct is stuffed.
Austen, have you received arduous sea duty orders on a combat vessel yet? (EX) IC2 in Texas
just say no
Are MA's able to get warfare devices if deployed on a ship?
yes
Being a Non PO sucks.
truuuuu
Good videos. But I do not agree you guys not wearing patches! That is out of uniform in the Army!
Do u have to retake the asvab then if u did not score high enough
Charcoal grey is good. I like Periwinkle blue myself but Charcoal grey is great.
Really informative
No patches....that shit is unsat shipmate. I'd get my ass chewed if I didn't have them.