We straight up don’t know that though Elena may have been a lower ranking Kindred but she also was a distortion which likely grants her a lot more power given the library defeated the 0th generation kindred (Regardless weakened but still) and Elena fought a degraded Arbiter
@@protege6383 We have no idea if Nausfuratu is the 0th kindred even if it is more likely to be a mental concepts of either B.F,The first B.F or something like thirst made physical via Lob corps Singularity
My crackpot theory based on 6.5.2 is that don is 2 people with vastly different personalities, and the blood fiend version of don happened to take the body of a young girl who has delusions of doing justice to wrongdoers.
I have another theory: don is a bloodfiend who just really don't want to be a bloodfiend but rather a human fixed who can bring justice, she curse a boots to suppress both memory and power of her before prescript her new self to believe in justice
The key behind my theory is how the first thing don want after killing cassetti is her boots, the thing that she probably well known that would turn her back into that naive girl
Can't wait for half of these to end up reversed as more chapters get released. Ryoshu: Still has never drawn her sword and is literally just chopping people into pieces with her scabbard while also having numerous other feats that hint at her real skill/strength. Sinclair: Has the mark and I wouldn't be surprised if he straight up manifests ego at some point. Outis: Is definitely hiding something and the game even takes care to give you a warning in her introduction at the very start to keep an eye on her. Meursault: Is a complete mystery and as for the rest, well I'm sure they're all cooking up something. Heathcliff is already pretty strong by default considering he went head to head with the erlking albeit without his infinite horde of minions thanks to Vergilius.
Ryoshu is atleast probably on the level of eldest brother/sister of middle probably i can't she her as colour since it will be noticable by other Outis is either really strong or just higher up woman who commit war crime Meursault is unknown yeah Sinclair probably will be a strong as demian atleast grade one fixer maybe colour Idk about faust too
We’ve literally not seen anything from Kindred Don yeah Bloodfiends are strong but they lack EGO hax they only have blood control which Vergilius also kinda has, and Ryoshu has been foreshadowed plenty to be rather strong perhaps having her own EGO given she can wield multiple EGO without corroding
Technically, _all_ the Sinners have their own EGO, they just seemingly can't be continuously manifested like how Vergilius can maintain his. Also, Don not only is one of the oldest and thus strongest Bloodfiends _in existence,_ but also has been confirmed to control the blood of other people. Aside from one instance from Elena that was only ever used to puppeteer the Vermilion Cross and for nothing else, no other Bloodfiend has been shown to do that, let alone offensively.
@@thomasthecoolkid7228well they sort of have EGO yes but their EGOs are only able to form because of limbus company and don’t most bloodfiends control other peoples blood that’s how they so easily extract and use it Elena didn’t use the vermillion crosses blood to control he was possibly turned into a bloodbag and Elena shows her control by her mass attack page allowing her to siphon blood from anyone hit by the first skill from a far distance to use, as well Casetti’s prince of this parade skill and him liquifying all of his blood bags to return their blood to him, sure Don is probably strong but we straight up don’t know for sure how strong she is as we’ve seen one single scene of her killing a lower ranked bloodfiend
@@ErlkingFreakcliff yeah, a 6th kindred, and a very weak enemy the facts are if we weren’t in the warp train we wouldn’t need to have Don kill him he was weak and it was shown that his regen combined with the Warp Train is what kept him a threat
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 While shes old she has actively abstained from drinking blood to keep up her farce as "Don Quixote", she is not a full strength bloodfiend as bloodfiend society actively abstains from rampaging and kills those that break said rules. So Don Quixote is very likely weaker than full power Elena, Elenas base form is litteraly Casettis last stage.
No shit. We aren't even comparing the best IDs and not all the characters have had their stories completed. For all you know Meursault could be the strongest sinner.
- исполнительный руководитель! Санчо слишком сильна для наших грешников. Данте, когда приказал мерсо сражаться не на 0.2% от всей силы: absolute cinema!
I lowkey think heathcliff, charon and mehpistoles could put up a fight against donqui, Charon Is likely comparable to vergilius on a highball, Heathcliff carried the entire Erlking fight, and if you read the soruce material for Mephi it's literally an omniscent demon
CANTO 7 PART 3 SPOILERS I just realized base Don is technically stronger than all her other IDs (until we get the boss ID) due to that fact she can take off her shoes whenever she wants to now.
Fun fact. In bloodfiend culture Don would be seen as stronger and more important then Blood Red Night from Library of Ruina as she is from an earlier generation of Bloodfiend.
@@kingsuperbobboyactually thats what elena is hated for don would probably be tolerated due to wearing rocinante which hides all her bloodfiend traits and she herself not even knowing shes a bloodfiend (until canto 7) basically performing the masquerade even better than most bloodfiends
Here are a few way to hook your friends Show them charector art that you think they would like,Show them the music,Ask them to play a little bit of Limbus Company these are just some I just spit balled
Imagen don goes into atrack and dante just winding his clock turning her bofie back in time and she transforms back into base don and get giga clapt with the rest of LCB
Don Quixote seems to be around grade 1 level as she is level 85 and held against and won a clash against a weakened 1st kindred with Dante’s buff who is around color level or higher considering the real Don Quixote is equal to Bari (and self-proclaimed to be the strongest Bloodfiend which I assume includes other elders like Elena who is SOTC, before her resurrection, and did decently against Roland + Angelica)
@@rainbows_edge On the first point, if Elena is not a 1st kindred that only helps my argument as it shows that a 1st kindred is far above a color fixer since they are far above 2nd kindred who you assume Elena is equal or below to (No she cannot be the Progenitor as that is Nosferatu). Also, Elena was stated to be a natural born bloodfiend and emerged from the mansion where “everything began” in here page. Also in distortion detective it is stated that she long existed before the distortion detective and other bloodfiends are aware of her lunatic behavior so she could not be a newly emerged bloodfiend due to the distortion. Since she is natural born, she cannot be a human turned vampire by an elder and must have been formed by Nosferatu thereby being an elder/1st kindred herself. On the second point, I forgot to elaborate on Sancho’s level (although it is not the best indicator of power), Vergilius and a Weakened Don Quixote are both level 90 which is not that far off from Sancho’s level 85. In my opinion, there is also an argument to be made that a prime Don Quixote is more powerful than Vergilius or at least around the same level, as Don Quixote claims to be the strongest amongst the Bloodfiends so by default he is at least SOTC at the minimum since Don Quixote > Elena and is aware of her since she is notorious amongst bloodfiends. So even though he is weakened, there is a good case to argue that he should be able to handle a grade 1 fixer considering he is implied to be more powerful than Elena at her prime who nearly won against Roland and Angelica. This comes from my perspective that the gap between the average color fixer vs a grade 1 is far larger than the average grade 1 and 2 though exceptions exist.
@Bot-iq9vo Elena could never be kindred zero that's contradicts everything we have seen also nosferatu is not confirmed to be the progenitor Elena is either first or 2nd kindred
@@rainbows_edge Actually I concede that Nosferatu is likely not the progenitor but likely a manifestation of the fears of Bloodfiends like how Censored is the fear of the Source of the Smoke War and the Three Birds are the fear of A B and C corps. But I clearly did not say Elena is 0th kindred, also I gave my reasons why she can not be the second kindred. But I’ll give one more decisive evidence, it seems that the appearance of Bloodfiends happened in a mansion located somewhere unknown and was some kind of disease with three symptoms fear of water, aversion to sunlight, and not sleeping at night. You can read this in a translation of the unimplemented story of Nosferatu. Furthermore, in the same story it literally mentions that one of the characters was specialist “Elena” and it seems she was also infected by the Bloodfiend disease unless you think its coincidental that a person named “Elena”, who also happens to be a Bloodfiend in LOR with a page story that also mentions a mansion, appears in Nosferatu’s story. I think the chance of that being a coincidence is unlikely, also maybe there is no 0th kindred as it seems to have been a natural phenomenon that occurred to the people at the Mansion. Also, we learn more in Distortion Detective that there is a territorial unrest amongst the First Kindreds/Elders, where to avoid this they spread out to every district in the city A,B,C,…,Z. This implies there were many who were infected by the disease at the mansion maybe 1 for each letter or more depending on if they exist at the outskirts as well.
maybe even color fixer level due to having knowledge of the don quixote hardblood arts and even creating her own variant style of those arts which mimic the techniques of a possible color fixer
@@tricon6778 sancho is level 85 if she was locked in vergillius probably the strongest fixer in the city is (in the files) level 90 which is the same level as first kindred don quixote in his prime
@@ExplodingVolcano777how can vergillius use a weapon made of blood on a creature that gains strength using blood and can create weapons using blood (can verg even control the hardblood that bloodfiends use?)
crazy how vergil is brave enough to choke this girl even tho he already knew. but then again, vergil also has red eyes and blood control/manipulation. maybe they are both second kindred? or maybe vergil is a fiend from the 1st kindred Im lowkey confused on how projectmoon make their world
@@vibran4919Incorrect, regular red augments do not inflict pressure to the point roland complains to it to vergilious. Vergilious when he killed someone, blood floated up even before he didn’t have ego. You can check the manga panels from old videos who read leviathan, blood floated up when he killed people and slammed down when he left the room. This was during the time he didn’t manifest ego btw.
The fact that her getting beaten by a Color Fixer is the most debatable part of this just shows how nutty it goes
Bruh the anceztor got bodied by a wifeless incel
These vampires aint shyyyyt 😂😂😂
verg have to bail limbus out again why does his contract suck ass
To be fair, she's on power supressor at the time.
@@mrdoormat6809but powers of Vergil are direct counter to all bloodfiends
Cap, Mephis no diff Don and the universe anytime 🤣
Project moon fandom when they see a strong character appearing out of nowhere:
Power scaling fans when spiritual aligning comes in:
Well said.. how about DBZ fans and OPM fans? Huh?
I'd say if we consider Don is stronger than Elena for being the second kindred I'll say Vergilius wins with high diff
We straight up don’t know that though Elena may have been a lower ranking Kindred but she also was a distortion which likely grants her a lot more power given the library defeated the 0th generation kindred (Regardless weakened but still) and Elena fought a degraded Arbiter
@@protege6383 We have no idea if Nausfuratu is the 0th kindred even if it is more likely to be a mental concepts of either B.F,The first B.F or something like thirst made physical via Lob corps Singularity
Elena > don quixote. Elena is one of the first bloodfiend.
@@왜-u5t I don't think so
@@왜-u5t Elena is stated to be a natural Bloodfiend not one of the first one's
Don Quixote realized her first name is Doflamigo...
My crackpot theory based on 6.5.2 is that don is 2 people with vastly different personalities, and the blood fiend version of don happened to take the body of a young girl who has delusions of doing justice to wrongdoers.
I have another theory: don is a bloodfiend who just really don't want to be a bloodfiend but rather a human fixed who can bring justice, she curse a boots to suppress both memory and power of her before prescript her new self to believe in justice
The key behind my theory is how the first thing don want after killing cassetti is her boots, the thing that she probably well known that would turn her back into that naive girl
The spare canto 7 on My left pocket
- Pink cloak
- Don quixote
- Demonic aura
that must be Doflamingo the heavenly demon long lost sister
They both have for theme justice.
REAL
I mean...they both blone...
Remember when everyone thought Ryoshu was the strongest sinner pre-lcb? Lol. Just lol
im still a believer. her canto WILL go hard
@@nebz1811 Unfortunately the agenda comes first so Rodya negs them all but I can't lie Ryoshu's canto is top 2 most anticipated easily
@@wannabeyakuza the so called rodions canto when it unironically sucks (please redo canto 1 and canto 2 kim)
Wifey may not be that strong but her rizz is, undeniably stronger than everyone else.
My husband Hong lu is going to ascend and become the white silence just yall watch
Can't wait for half of these to end up reversed as more chapters get released.
Ryoshu: Still has never drawn her sword and is literally just chopping people into pieces with her scabbard while also having numerous other feats that hint at her real skill/strength.
Sinclair: Has the mark and I wouldn't be surprised if he straight up manifests ego at some point.
Outis: Is definitely hiding something and the game even takes care to give you a warning in her introduction at the very start to keep an eye on her.
Meursault: Is a complete mystery
and as for the rest, well I'm sure they're all cooking up something. Heathcliff is already pretty strong by default considering he went head to head with the erlking albeit without his infinite horde of minions thanks to Vergilius.
Ryoshu is atleast probably on the level of eldest brother/sister of middle probably i can't she her as colour since it will be noticable by other
Outis is either really strong or just higher up woman who commit war crime
Meursault is unknown yeah
Sinclair probably will be a strong as demian atleast grade one fixer maybe colour
Idk about faust too
I'm gonna be so fr meursalt's power is gonna be a six shooter and a death sentence
I don’t know why, but realizing how much Don has lost herself makes me extremely depressed.
We’ve literally not seen anything from Kindred Don yeah Bloodfiends are strong but they lack EGO hax they only have blood control which Vergilius also kinda has, and Ryoshu has been foreshadowed plenty to be rather strong perhaps having her own EGO given she can wield multiple EGO without corroding
Technically, _all_ the Sinners have their own EGO, they just seemingly can't be continuously manifested like how Vergilius can maintain his.
Also, Don not only is one of the oldest and thus strongest Bloodfiends _in existence,_ but also has been confirmed to control the blood of other people. Aside from one instance from Elena that was only ever used to puppeteer the Vermilion Cross and for nothing else, no other Bloodfiend has been shown to do that, let alone offensively.
@@thomasthecoolkid7228well they sort of have EGO yes but their EGOs are only able to form because of limbus company and don’t most bloodfiends control other peoples blood that’s how they so easily extract and use it Elena didn’t use the vermillion crosses blood to control he was possibly turned into a bloodbag and Elena shows her control by her mass attack page allowing her to siphon blood from anyone hit by the first skill from a far distance to use, as well Casetti’s prince of this parade skill and him liquifying all of his blood bags to return their blood to him, sure Don is probably strong but we straight up don’t know for sure how strong she is as we’ve seen one single scene of her killing a lower ranked bloodfiend
You see kindred don kill The 6th kindred casetti
@@ErlkingFreakcliff yeah, a 6th kindred, and a very weak enemy the facts are if we weren’t in the warp train we wouldn’t need to have Don kill him he was weak and it was shown that his regen combined with the Warp Train is what kept him a threat
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 While shes old she has actively abstained from drinking blood to keep up her farce as "Don Quixote", she is not a full strength bloodfiend as bloodfiend society actively abstains from rampaging and kills those that break said rules. So Don Quixote is very likely weaker than full power Elena, Elenas base form is litteraly Casettis last stage.
Don wants Vergil to break his legs again
Donteh Charging his inner Ayin / Dio for 2 minutes - *Looks what she needs to do to mimic a fraction of my POWER* !
Ryoshu vs all sinners next? If you want
Btw nice edit
No shit. We aren't even comparing the best IDs and not all the characters have had their stories completed. For all you know Meursault could be the strongest sinner.
- исполнительный руководитель! Санчо слишком сильна для наших грешников.
Данте, когда приказал мерсо сражаться не на 0.2% от всей силы: absolute cinema!
her canto isn't even out yet
I lowkey think heathcliff, charon and mehpistoles could put up a fight against donqui, Charon Is likely comparable to vergilius on a highball, Heathcliff carried the entire Erlking fight, and if you read the soruce material for Mephi it's literally an omniscent demon
charon neg-diffs the sinners fr fr
@@nebz1811 so true
CANTO 7 PART 3 SPOILERS
I just realized base Don is technically stronger than all her other IDs (until we get the boss ID) due to that fact she can take off her shoes whenever she wants to now.
Sancho is calculated power around fixer grade 4 (4-5 person in one)
I thought she was silly..
Fun fact. In bloodfiend culture Don would be seen as stronger and more important then Blood Red Night from Library of Ruina as she is from an earlier generation of Bloodfiend.
In bloodfiend culture Don would likely be hated for bringing attention to herself and risking the Masquerade
@@kingsuperbobboy fair enough lol
@@kingsuperbobboyactually thats what elena is hated for don would probably be tolerated due to wearing rocinante which hides all her bloodfiend traits and she herself not even knowing shes a bloodfiend (until canto 7) basically performing the masquerade even better than most bloodfiends
@@larsthememelord3383 Well after Canto 7 I was right and wrong
@@larsthememelord3383 But yeah I did mean Canto 7, 6.5 doesnt count as only Dante and Faust saw it
Well some of these are debatable,ryoshu and outis mainly(Gregor and Sinclair if you’re pushing it)
Make her solo some other verses, like Demon Slayer and Castlevania (anime).
Alright i know this is outta the theme but how can i hook my friend on PM games please tell me
i got one of my friends into PM by me being completely normal about it (lies). i do not have PM brainrot and i do not constantly talk about it...
Here are a few way to hook your friends Show them charector art that you think they would like,Show them the music,Ask them to play a little bit of Limbus Company these are just some I just spit balled
@@Plaugus_Screenz i will try this, thank you for your advice
I got one to play the game but the problem is he just skips the story-
Dante arguably outhaxes but other than that fire edit
Everyone here slams her🗿
Are u do ego vs base or what bruh
Why are people doing this again for the fiftieth time?
Imagen don goes into atrack and dante just winding his clock turning her bofie back in time and she transforms back into base don and get giga clapt with the rest of LCB
Base don is bloodfiend don bruh
Rocinante is more like restricting her blood fiend power
What is the song from
Lady Gaga - Bloody Mary Instrumental (slowed)
Don Quixote seems to be around grade 1 level as she is level 85 and held against and won a clash against a weakened 1st kindred with Dante’s buff who is around color level or higher considering the real Don Quixote is equal to Bari (and self-proclaimed to be the strongest Bloodfiend which I assume includes other elders like Elena who is SOTC, before her resurrection, and did decently against Roland + Angelica)
Elena nearly won and not confirmed 1st kindred honestly Sancho doesn't get best feat by beating a massively weakened don quixote
@@rainbows_edge On the first point, if Elena is not a 1st kindred that only helps my argument as it shows that a 1st kindred is far above a color fixer since they are far above 2nd kindred who you assume Elena is equal or below to (No she cannot be the Progenitor as that is Nosferatu). Also, Elena was stated to be a natural born bloodfiend and emerged from the mansion where “everything began” in here page. Also in distortion detective it is stated that she long existed before the distortion detective and other bloodfiends are aware of her lunatic behavior so she could not be a newly emerged bloodfiend due to the distortion. Since she is natural born, she cannot be a human turned vampire by an elder and must have been formed by Nosferatu thereby being an elder/1st kindred herself. On the second point, I forgot to elaborate on Sancho’s level (although it is not the best indicator of power), Vergilius and a Weakened Don Quixote are both level 90 which is not that far off from Sancho’s level 85. In my opinion, there is also an argument to be made that a prime Don Quixote is more powerful than Vergilius or at least around the same level, as Don Quixote claims to be the strongest amongst the Bloodfiends so by default he is at least SOTC at the minimum since Don Quixote > Elena and is aware of her since she is notorious amongst bloodfiends. So even though he is weakened, there is a good case to argue that he should be able to handle a grade 1 fixer considering he is implied to be more powerful than Elena at her prime who nearly won against Roland and Angelica. This comes from my perspective that the gap between the average color fixer vs a grade 1 is far larger than the average grade 1 and 2 though exceptions exist.
@Bot-iq9vo Elena could never be kindred zero that's contradicts everything we have seen also nosferatu is not confirmed to be the progenitor Elena is either first or 2nd kindred
@@Bot-iq9vothe level 90 is datamined so not officially confirmed
@@rainbows_edge Actually I concede that Nosferatu is likely not the progenitor but likely a manifestation of the fears of Bloodfiends like how Censored is the fear of the Source of the Smoke War and the Three Birds are the fear of A B and C corps. But I clearly did not say Elena is 0th kindred, also I gave my reasons why she can not be the second kindred. But I’ll give one more decisive evidence, it seems that the appearance of Bloodfiends happened in a mansion located somewhere unknown and was some kind of disease with three symptoms fear of water, aversion to sunlight, and not sleeping at night. You can read this in a translation of the unimplemented story of Nosferatu. Furthermore, in the same story it literally mentions that one of the characters was specialist “Elena” and it seems she was also infected by the Bloodfiend disease unless you think its coincidental that a person named “Elena”, who also happens to be a Bloodfiend in LOR with a page story that also mentions a mansion, appears in Nosferatu’s story. I think the chance of that being a coincidence is unlikely, also maybe there is no 0th kindred as it seems to have been a natural phenomenon that occurred to the people at the Mansion. Also, we learn more in Distortion Detective that there is a territorial unrest amongst the First Kindreds/Elders, where to avoid this they spread out to every district in the city A,B,C,…,Z. This implies there were many who were infected by the disease at the mansion maybe 1 for each letter or more depending on if they exist at the outskirts as well.
Is Vampire Don Grade 1 Fixer level? Or nah?
Definitely
maybe even color fixer level due to having knowledge of the don quixote hardblood arts and even creating her own variant style of those arts which mimic the techniques of a possible color fixer
Probably low grade 1 to high grade 2 imo
@@tricon6778 sancho is level 85 if she was locked in vergillius probably the strongest fixer in the city is (in the files) level 90 which is the same level as first kindred don quixote in his prime
@@tricon6778 you think a grade 2 can clash with a first kindred?
Who do you think is the strongest bloodfiend?
don quixote prime. he is the one who turned the tides of the endless war between humans and bloodfiends.
Vergil dmc vs virgilius limbus
Nah, Verg still owns
It's probably high diff
@@rainbows_edgenah, verg low diffs sancho.
@@ExplodingVolcano777 how?
@@ExplodingVolcano777how can vergillius use a weapon made of blood on a creature that gains strength using blood and can create weapons using blood (can verg even control the hardblood that bloodfiends use?)
don quixote vs other bloodfiend
well she's a second generation so... she destroys nearly all of them
she managed to kill her own parent bloodfiend which bloodfiends aren’t even supposed to be capable of doing
crazy how vergil is brave enough to choke this girl even tho he already knew. but then again, vergil also has red eyes and blood control/manipulation. maybe they are both second kindred? or maybe vergil is a fiend from the 1st kindred
Im lowkey confused on how projectmoon make their world
Dawg Vergilius’ blood manipulation is through E.G.O
@@OfficeKuina oh, i didn't know my bad G
@@AdzimHere 👍
Verg's red eyes is an augment (Very popular thing for fixers to have and what gave him the red gaze name) and his ego is blood manip
@@vibran4919Incorrect, regular red augments do not inflict pressure to the point roland complains to it to vergilious. Vergilious when he killed someone, blood floated up even before he didn’t have ego.
You can check the manga panels from old videos who read leviathan, blood floated up when he killed people and slammed down when he left the room.
This was during the time he didn’t manifest ego btw.
Big Dons
Wait wait wait, is this actually in the game?
@@grassy-os yup. It was revealed one the intervallo murder on the warp express.
@@nebz1811 There’s no way. That’s actually insane
wahoo
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Bari vs colors
who is Bari? is that a new character introduced in dons canto rn? im staying away from spoilers so i can binge canto 7 in its entirety once its done.
@@nebz1811 it's not a new character
@@nebz1811 minor spoilers
It's the bookhunter they got a name and more feats
Canto 7 spoilers
Bari is built differently fighting a first kindred to a draw after fighting for 3 days
WAIT WHAT? Thats an spoiler of canto 7? Dang she looks cool
spoiler for the warp train event
Charon low diffs
mid edit. i fell off
@nebz1811 do you know who the artist is for the Ryoshu image?
@@OneBleachStudios @aqiqiqiqiii on twitter