1119 Prototype New Style Generator - Part 1
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Who ever told you that tape trick needs thanks, that's the first time I've been able to read that.
Love this video!
lol - a couple of folks mentioned it mate
Yes, it's easy to read now. Thanks.
I like the way you have put order to your videos by adding a catalog number to your videos titles for easier reference and search.
Enjoyed this video. Thanks
thank you - I do rely on previous videos a fair bit so it has helped me too
That's brilliant. It's also the same arrangement that's used in a car alternator's rotor to commutate the flux for the outside stator coils to generate from.
What's great about this is you could get a few very consistent measurements with different loads by spinning your flywheel up to a set speed and letting it passively slow the flywheel down to another set speed.
good point mate
Great. Should accept large gage conductor too! What a great drive system for a hubless wheel as well.
it would make a great motor too
"Prototype", "New", "Generator"... You're spoiling us, Rob.
lol
That is really great 💡 fantastic. Could you use magnet balls and put it together like a barring ? Oooo that sounds fun to play around with.
I think you could mate and yes that does sound a fun idea
Extremely interesting idea. The coils complexity are overridden with this beautiful simple setup. Thumb up mate!
Yes YEs YES...
"That's" what I was talking about, when you first took a stab at this.
From then, I was astonished at the revelation that "hey, I can have as much poles as I want... with ONE COIL - Hmmm".
Yes Rob... This is it. Well, for me anyway.
Another manifestation of your beautiful, creative, and willing mind. Just beautiful Rob... your beautiful. I'd be dumbfounded to find, that you have gone unnoticed.
sometimes it takes me a while mate - I have to mull things over and cheers lol
It will be exciting to see the results!! Can't wait for the next video!! 🥰
Me too!! lol
I'm on pins and needles for the next installment! Very cool build thus far.
cheers mate
Looking forward to seeing that flywheel in operation.
Could you attach a close up of the changes to the wheel you made? (Having issues understanding at t:5:00)
I will do mate - and I was thinking a drawing?
@@ThinkingandTinkering We will appreciate a lot that.
I really want to see how you cut the slots in the wheel. Is there another video showing this close up? Thanks for all your videos
I always enjoy watching your vids. Thanks Robert.
The simple answers are often the best 😁
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for sure mate
Ok this seems like it could improve the coil from the roof vent generator or the vertical wind mills very nice
that was my thought exactly mate
That's really interesting, the advantage of having the flywheel should even out any drive irregularity. Looking forward to seeing the next stage. Thanks.
Coming soon!
Thank you! The tape works brilliantly!
awesome - I will do that from now on then
Brilliant, ingenious, build from a bicycle rim! I can't wait to see it in action and how much current it can generate.
You and me both!
How did it work out?
Can't wait to see how this pans out
me too lol
I'm very interested to see this project all together. Great idea.
You and me both!
Looking forward to see the next video of this project
cheers mate
So awesome! can't wait to see it together!!!
I am looking forward to it too
Yeah, like a alternator rotor! Cool idea!
Interesting! A novel approach, however I am concerned if multiple magnets (in alternating N/S config) are attached to the rotor the issue of accurate alignment comes to mind, such that induced fields do not cancel. The obvious solution is to employ a 50/50 rotor single N/S poles using small neos. Thanks for your amazing videos.
yes I was pondering that - In the small. motor there is just one north and one south
@@ThinkingandTinkering Precisely, one coil, one magnet and the opposing poles create the AC phasing...simply brilliant! If you were slightly inaccurate in cutting the poles you should notice that the induced short circuit current will exhibit this in the waveform on the oscilloscope. Indeed, that has given me an idea regarding the use of alternate N/S fields and employing sawtooth / sinusoidal poles. This has many possibilities for a novel alternator I feel.
Great learning experience watching this mate
Glad you enjoyed it
Your concrete flywheel needs a redesign; the weight wants to be around the circumference!
The weight close to the hub is just adding weight but not adding much to the kinetic energy storage.
Not even sure if they are a myth or reality but I'd love to have your take on brushless homopolar generators.
I'll have a look at it mate
I think a segmented drawing with some detail it was quite hard to understand the overall machining and what it accomplished a basic detail drawing even if was crude but just gave a pictorial representation of coil and magnet field interaction would clear things up
good point mate cheers
Those teflon gears are made for very low speeds and tiny torque. That being said, they still crack and lock. They're also found in blend door actuators in vehicles. I believe you'll split at least 1 gear in testing.
did you watch all the video mate? I am only using the motors as a guide to construction the actual device is a couple of bike wheels
This is a great start. Nice. This is fun...
If you can get that flywheel turning using a gearing system that allows free spinning like the bike when you stop pedaling then this could revolutionise the way a wind turbine works in gusty conditions with low wind periods.
I was thinking of exactly that mate - I am going to use a freewheel on the flywheel
@@ThinkingandTinkering cool, this is going to be awesome once done. Might be well worth replicating.
Could make a wheel motor by inverting the drive, direct drive and high torque. Very few moving parts. Can pulse a very high current synchronized to the magnet position. Akin to stepper motor. Would make a good kit for electric bike (with the right adapted design of course). (I know it's three same as the microwave motor, I just thought of the radial torque and fewer parts). About 40 Nd magnets would make quite a powerful torque?
Much better; Thanks!
You're welcome!
I don't understand exactly the physical change of the the bike rim from 4:20 to 5:05. Is there a way to see a close up picture? I see there are slots cut in the rim but the part about every other "slot" is bent the other way has confused me. Maybe I am just not understanding what the "slots" are. It seems to me a slot is just a rectangular hole so what part of this can be bent?
I think it would work a lot better with another steel ring around the outside to complete the magnetic circuit between the top and bottom rings. Maybe something to try and compare in a future upgrade.
Great point!
Suggestiong there needs to be a lot more holes in the ring, look at how small the gaps are in the tiny one
cheers mate
I saw a tiny 25kw electric motor that could fit in your hand that very powerful on a electric bike and small form for the power output. I asked myself if a little diesel generator could run one of these as a generator. I looked at it and it was DC so it would be too expensive to run the power inverters and the whole thing was going to cost around 5,000 dollars or so to just make the thing. So I thought that is too expensive to do a little experiment.
Like it so far! A bit tedious making the cuts I suspect. Thinking how to do it with a jig saw. The weight of all the magnets will help appease the rocket scientists 😉
Mass-produced it would be easy with a stamp.
it is a bit tedious by hand but as Barskor said machine made a piece of cake
I see this mounted on top of low head generators.
that would be good
i tried it but it shocked me and great video
Also if you could set it up. Exactly like a ball barring that generates power couldn't you install those into ev cars or any type of electric vehicle to get some return on the power used to get the mass of the vehicle moving while it moves. Especially if you coast some. Extend range 10% -20% maybe just a thought. Graphene super cap. No with return charge current do away with super heavy ev batteries use your printing method perhaps I'm rambling sry
Regenerative braking is just about standard for EVs right now.
that is a very clever idea mate - a bit like a flywheel bike?
Exactly what I'm thinking
instead of many cuts and bends to create alternating paths for flux, what of welding steel bolts to the rim?
I would think either would work - but more folks can cut than can weld
I didn't understand the cuts. could you put more detail in the member's area?
i think it looks like a zipper
First he cut square holes, evenly space along the face of the rim. Then he separated the leftover square pieces of the face by cutting one side of them - creating a flange. This metal square is then only connected to the rim on one side. The opposing side has been cut. The interdigitation comes in by switching the direction of the cut side from left to right.
The best analogy i can think of is a ladder where every other rung you cut the left side rom the main vertical support, and the rest you cut the right side. He then filled the gaps with fiber glass.
As the magnet moves across the face of the flanges it creates an flux path where the magnetic field is forced to cut through the coil perpendicular to the magnets motion in space. Generating a current in the coil.
yes mate I will
Making me think of Newman motor with one huge current carrying winding around a barrel with huge magnet inside rotating.
I always wondered what kind of massive power increase this could make
how will it perform....
1) it will generate
2) given enough turns and poles and rpm, it can generate a significant voltage, but internal resistance can add up quickly with such a large diameter coil × each turn.
3) internal resistance will limit current inside the coil creating a voltage drop (along the length of the wire in the coil) at higher currents.
That voltage drop will be internal resistance of coil × current through the coil.
What happens when water hits a 90-degree turn in a pipe? Now, what happens if you only bend the pipe 3 degrees? Using the Socratic method so don't get upset
@@Barskor1 What would happen if the water had no weight?
@@kreynolds1123 Electrons have weight and they like to travel in curved trajectories just get some paper and iron filings to find that out. Edit the weight is extremely small but it is there.
@@kreynolds1123 Magnetic fields are composed of electrons, the iron filings show the curve of the electron paths.
Magnetic fields being composed of electrons with mass do have momentum ignoring these basic facts is why unified field theory has not worked out.
@@Barskor1 one may need a charge to be accelerated to be create a magnetic field, but the magnetic fields do not need the charge any longer, and may exist independent of any charge particle, photons being an example.
and though in perninate magnets one needs an unpaired electron accelerated in certain orbits to create a magnetic field. the magnetic field travels though free space independent of the electron that created it.
one can even take the magnetic field from a coil. and using low reluctance path, can take the magnetic field a great distance away from the coil. and through a gap of empty space without any electrons inside the gap.
coil is wound the same in a dynahub.maybe glue some n52 magnets on to increase power
Wow. Is there some relationship or optimal number between the rpm->voltage and number of cuts, do you think?
You know Robert is going to say give it a go and find out.
Oh man that calculation, is as long as your arm and has alot of different variables, size and length of wire,how perfect the coil is,weight a power of magnets also how many times poles change.
oh yes - but was Tre said it will be quite. bit of working out
I was wondering if you ever did anything with a linear generator experiment? Like they would use for some wave energy devices? Thanks I enjoy your videos.
fantastic!
Thank you! Cheers!
I have an idea of my own for a revolutionary type generator. O is your videos for inspiration and reference. If I have a technical question, is there a way to contact you for advice? Big fan. Joseph Leonard
If you double the amount of copper wire, does that effect the voltage generated?
yes - but given it has to fit in the same space it will be half the thickness so can carry only half the amps - plus it will be twice the resistance
@@ThinkingandTinkering , thank you, is there no way to connect the same space with coils and get the benefit of more coils or does it physically have to be present around the magnets?
I got a setup with old 2 inch npt pipe threader manual machine with bearing welded and treadmill rollers welded working on same thing
And got loads of flat antenna double wire idk if the foam insulation will affect it.
Was wondering when might you be able to make the videos of different methods to make graphene to even make a one atom thick sheet of graphene?
I have done 3 of them already mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering ok
4:44 ahhh yes. It already starts to look like the Testatika.
cool
Please try to make a complete working model with 50Hz frequency as half of the work you have already done.
ok
I would like to reach you some how so I can Show you something that can have us look at the generator from a different perspective and I think it will be something that has never been seen before , I have learned so much from your channel and I would love to be able to explore this new discovery with you it can help a lot of people and can I need to do it with someone who is familiar with patent laws or something because I’ve had a few projects taken out from under me and left in the dust smh 🤦♂️ but this new project can spark some new thinking, let me know asap thank you
Could you make a more detailed video for the voil
Manually entering odd numbers makes the motor reverse, doubling the life of the drive gears.
cheers mate
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so half the flywheel will be south and the other half north?
do you know - I don't know - I will probably start that way
@@ThinkingandTinkering i just guessing based on the smaller microwave motor design.. but, It looks like to me, that an alternating North South configuration will likely cancel each other because all the current is running through one single coil.. hope that helps
@@ThinkingandTinkering There's plenty of info about those Single-phase syncronous motors on this forum just Google: "Workings of a microwave oven turntable motor eevblog"
I don't understand how the tabs on the rim were folded after you mad the cuts. It isn't clearly visible in the video. Could you show a closeup in a future video?
will do
try plunging a magnetic piston in and out of the coil some how to make voltage
I did a video on that mate
Can we make a microwave big enough to cook a christmas turkey?!
there are microwaves big enough to cook an elephant mate - they use them to dry timber
so in essence you made something like a zipper out of the rim !?!!
yes exactly
never underastimate the thickness of some of your viewers friend (ok it might just be me- haha)...i will not be able to 'get' what you are doing without a bit of a closer look...i have no doubt you know what you are doing tho...Yah bless you and yours...doug
I was thinking a close up and drawing might help mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering i sure enjoy your guy's work
I have loads of these at 4 to 4.8 rpm
awesome!
@@ThinkingandTinkering I was thinking of using some to make a rotisserie for bbq season.
Love your thinking outside the box. I also have many alternative ideas about generators. Makers of generators have one way and that way produces loads of lenz effect that takes more and more energy to produce more electrical power.
Your way put more distance between the magnet and coil, changes the flux path to the coil and puts less lenz drag on the rotor. Less input energy to produce more output energy.
Good
cheers mate
Where is the rest
Lmaooo
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