Thank you, Lee! Your music has played a huge part in my life, and I'm sure countless others. I'll always continue to support any future projects you and the guys release in the wake of LP. And thank you F.A.D. Entertainment for making this video. Your assessment is spot on, this catalog of music is far too good to be hidden away forever, the whole band doesn't deserve to be erased because of IW.
This isn’t Lee. Do you you really think a grown man linked with this type of controversy would be subscribed to roblox accounts and making mobile game videos. Obviously a password guessed account explaining the date.
I 100% agree with everything you said. Lostprophets' discography is incredible, and despite all the horrible things that happened I've never stopped listening to their music. How they managed to make five albums with virtually no bad or skippable song baffles me, and I've always unironically said their tracks should be studied in songwriting classes: they're the catchiest thing imaginable and a part of me always tried to keep them in mind while writing for my band. I've seen a lot of people burn their CDs and act like Lostprophets never existed, but I can't: perhaps I'm wrong, but I think you should always separate art from the artist. Plus, as you said, there were five other people in the band (I'm glad to see Lee Gaze stumbled upon this video as well), and if Watkins' actions should be despised, the other poor guys' art should be celebrated. Cheers from Italy, Armando P.S.: Start Something is INSANE.
Fake sound of progress album changed my life the betrayed albums was ok and weapons some songs hit or miss but another shot song idk the lyrics for that feel like he tried to say something
It’s funny tho that the history always gets mixed up. It was me and IW that formed Lp while they played in Public Disturbance. We asked Mike to join on bass and he got moved to guitar when we recorded with Stu as we were blown aaay by how good Stu was on bass.
Oh wow. Someone should really fact-check the info online! Haha. I always love to hear/find out about the behind-the-scenes stuff, so this is very fascinating to me :)
You guys didn't Deserve what happened and I still listen to all your music to this day it hit home when it needs to and picks me back up and being from the UK too you guys gave a small UK town band some hope thank you for your music
I know this video is a year old now, but I still catch myself coming back to the band multiple times. The band was fantastic, and though Ian is a disgusting excuse for a human, he was skilled at singing and had the ability to keep people hooked with very catchy hooks and lines. Sad we will never get another band like them.
Let me put it like this, I have actually measured his vocal range in depth and let’s just say he was every bit as talented as he was despicable. This is best exemplified by his vocal feats, as a baritone/baritenor no less, the highlights including: 1. Repeatedly belting out Bb4, B4, and Db5 in the chorus of Save Yourself, and still being able to speak and pronounce fast words clearly in such high registers. Similar use of high registers exists in countless other songs, with probably the best example being the chorus of If You Don’t Stand For Something, You’ll Fall For Anything (staying in the G#4-D5 range for over 30 seconds, and then ending on an upward run from B4 to E5 (!!!!!!!!) in mixed voice). 2. Belted and sustained B4-A#4-F#4 runs in the chorus of AC Ricochet, and (possibly, but still unconfirmed) sustained D5-A4 and D5-C#5 belts in the chorus of Every Song (4AM Forever B-side). 3. Fast, heavily syncopated runs on the Eb5 note in both Next Stop, Atro City and DSTRYR/DSTRYR, and possibly D#5/E5 and (peaked) F#5 in the VERSES of Weapon. Note that these are in MIXED voice and NOT falsetto. A slightly weaker (and much less raspy) version exists in the bridge of Dead to Me, which is in the C5-D5 range (this is after very long SUSTAINED A4 belts in the chorus). 4. Upward runs to mixed voice sustained Eb5 in 4AM Forever (end of the penultimate chorus), and It’s Not the End of the World, But I Can See It From Here (in the bridge-the SECOND of a pair of throat-shreddingly high screams). The end of the chorus of If You Don’t Stand For Something, You’ll Fall For Anything is even more impressive with upward runs from B4 to E5 (!!!!!!!!!!) in mixed voice. 5. Speaking of It’s Not the End of the World, But I Can See It From Here, there is one acoustic version entirely in falsetto, which is not only really impressive, but the bridge vocal run (due to being in falsetto) is raised multiple semitones, and in that version goes all the way to G#5!!!!! Heaven for the Weather, Hell for the Company also has impressive upward falsetto runs that (I think) go up to F5/F#5. Also, in both Sway and the aforementioned acoustic version of It’s Not The End of the World, But I Can See It From Here, there is also a lot of lower falsetto singing, which requires quite a lot of skill. 6. Moving away from high notes, the guy’s lower register was also quite impressive, able to reach down to (I think) D2-E2. This is especially noticeable on the song Directions. The use of vocal fry in the first verse of If It Wasn’t for Hate, We Would be Dead (as well as the cover of Sweet Dreams my LA Ex) is also really impressive… Such a waste of talent, Watkins had the adulation of most of the UK’s teenage girls, and unlike say, Justin Bieber or One Direction or Westlife had the actual TALENT to back it up, but he threw it all away on truly sick and evil things (and was probably having a catastrophic mental collapse and dissociating from reality). I guess this is Exhibit A of my theory that the most gifted among us are at least a little bit psychotic as well, given that Watkins was likely already mentally a bit unstable even before becoming addicted to drugs, and the drugs and fame were essentially the straw that broke the camel’s back, but dammit, I wish that I could live in a timeline where he stayed off the drugs, recognized his problems, and got help BEFORE hurting others…at least Suno AI might allow us to pretend (Lostprophets are probably the only band I would consider ethical to make “new songs of” with AI-albeit for personal enjoyment and not with the intent of making money)…
That said, when actually listening to Lostprophets, I can’t help but feel like a lot of their songs are missing that one thing to make them truly special, even if a truly great song (or even just the bones of one) already exists. Most of their songs scream for guitar solos, piano flourishes in the final chorus, etc…If I were to download their songs after paying with my own money, I would add these flourishes myself and mix them into the songs (for the versions that I listen to, and no, I would not attempt to sell those or anything)-this is why I think paying for CDs or songs on iTunes is still SOMETIMES worthwhile, as it is something I want to do with a lot of songs in my iTunes.
I remember when I heard Wake up (Make a Move) for the very first time. I remember when I ran to the record store to see if they already had the next album. Liberation, Betrayed and Weapons. We are approaching to ten years of Lostprophets' demise and still hurts. I go back and listen to those records sometimes, records that were part of my teenage years and adulthood. I remember when the news broke (I am from Colombia, but a friend of mine who lives in the UK told me via Live Messenger) and I couldn't believe it, and I still can't believe this man who had it all, not just money, he was a handsome man, that hid such a dark part of himself.
Hard not to feel bad for the other guys in the band Obviously not as bad as I feel for Watkin's victims, but the rest of them lost more than just a gig. They're entire discography, decades of work is blacklisted. No one is going to license that music any time soon. Normally, popular bands with a healthy discography can rely on future income through legacy alone. Not former LP members though. F you Watkins.
I stopped listening to them for a while after what happened, but I could not stay away forever as their music will always hace a special place in my heart, mostly because it was my college best friend's favorite band, and he passed away in early 2012. I listened to lp all night that day.
Thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou so much for making this! You treated this with so much respect and were spot on with your opinions! A great history of the band, I wish more people gave them the respect that you did! They're my hometown band and one of my favourite bands of all time!
I still listen to LP as of today. I don't HATE the band as a whole, just Ian. I just wish LP could still perform. All they had to do was just get a new singer. Since Lee Gaze also founded the band he had the rights of ownership of the band and Ian would lose all privileges after his arrest. LostProphets will always be awesome. (Minus Ian, he can burn in HELL.)
it has taken me 10 years to be able to listen to them again. They were my favorite band growing up. i'm glad i'm finally at that point where I can listen to them again and seperate art from artist.
Music in this video: Last Summer: 1:16 Hello Again: 5:54 Broken Hearts and Torn Up Letters: 11:04 A Better Nothing: 13:54 Somedays: 16:54 Last Train Home: 19:21
I totally hear what you say about not finding a band that will "fill the void." I feel exactly the same. Lostprophets were my favourite band, I was lucky enough to see them live twice. They were such good memories. I still feel sad sometimes that I will never get to see them again (but I know that's nothing compared to what the victims have been through including the rest of the band). I still listen to Lostprophets, I love all of their albums, Start Something also being my favourite! At the end of the day the other members of Lostprophets all had (and I am sure still have) so much talent and they don't deserve to be forgotten or put down just because of one person. Their music was phenomenal and it will always be a part of my life :).
I was a big fan of LostProphets as a kid after hearing ‘lucky you’ from the spider-man 2 soundtrack and remember seeing the music video for ‘rooftops’ on TV. Still one of my favourite band in terms of the music and I still listen to them now with ‘Start Something’ being one of if not my favourite album I’ve ever listened to. I also do like ‘no devotion’ and support them. It’s a shame their careers were ruined by the monster that is Ian Watkins.
I love The Fake Sound of Progress and Start Something...always takes me back to the early 00's and despite IW being a monster, I still listen to them when the mood strikes me.
@@kushagranautiyal1386 Are you familiar with Bring Me The Horizon? I'd specifically recommend their albums: Sempiternal, That's The Spirit, Amo, and Post Human Survival Horror. I'm not saying they sound just like LP (no one does), but if you listen through all those albums you'll definitely find some similar energy.
@@kushagranautiyal1386 Incubus Listen to this song at the 2:35 time and tell me what the voice sounds a bit similar to ruclips.net/video/Sd5CYog9aFU/видео.html
I always thought earlier stuff from Incubus (off their SCIENCE and Make Yourself albums) and Hoobastank (first album) were pretty close to Lostprophets... loved all 3 bands back in the day. The song Crawling in the Dark by Hoobastank and A Certain Shade of Green by Incubus are good starting points 🤘
A controversial one, to say the least. I don't know what the general response will be, but I did my best to tackle this topic in the most appropriate/fitting way possible.
I feel the same way. Their music is still amazing, it just sucks its been stigmatized so badly because of his actions. I try and separate the two when I listen though. Obviously it is very hard to forget what he did, nor should it be forgotten, but I try and just enjoy the music.
Just want to say you did an awesome job documenting lostprophets history. And I completely agree, the music shouldn't be forgotten, and like yourself, I still think no other band carried this genre or filled the void that they left. Having said that, it still is one of my favourite bands ever.. Again, great video, you kept it accurate and pleasant. Kudos, dude..
Fantastic review. I had alot of inneral turmoil when all the shit went down. But at the end of the day, through all these years, this is still the #1 band for me. The reason I say that because after 22 years & many new or old bands i love, they are still my #1 favorite bands. i still connect to ALL (yes all) of their songs. Some how some way each song means something special to me. I do not condone what Ian did 1 bit, but at the end of the day, I connected with this band & their music on the soul level. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 🍻 !!Alabama!!!
Recently I reviewed their discography. I’m someone that’s never heard of them till recently. To me it seemed like they were really with whatever was popular at the time. Nu-Metal on their first album, Hoobistank on the 2nd, then emo on the third. They went from “we’ll kick your ass” rocker dudes to “please don’t kick our ass” emo aesthetic. As an American it makes sense why they didn’t make it here. The sounds they experimented with were beaten to death in the states. We had so many pop punk and Nu Metal bands that Brits never heard of. You couldn’t really distinguish LostProphets from any of those bands. They did get bad reviews here. With the negative out the way. LostProphets had some good guitar riffs. There were a handful of songs I liked. The lyricism was pretty creative sometimes. Melodies weren’t the best until Liberation Transmission.
THANK YOU for saying this! One of my favourite ever bands too, and equally I find it awkward to discuss them with anyone. "What he did was just too wrong," one of my friends said. "People aren't comfortable." So frustrating. I rediscovered lostprophets last summer (convenient pun) during lockdown and have listened to them almost daily since. I keep finding new meanings in the lyrics and discovering new love for tracks I'd previously skipped or just not really listened to. Still Laughing is one - the last section where the awesome tapping riff starts, and Ian is singing something that I hope he hasn't forgotten: "I'm still waiting; I still breathe; That's a sign that I'm still me; I'm still breathing; I can see; So I must be alive for real"
Picture an LP Biopic Netflix series Season 1 (Early Days - Aftermath) Season 2 (Aftermath- Fleshbind) Season 3 (Fleshbind- Public Disturbance) Season 4 (Public Disturbance- Lostprophets Early EPs) Season 5 (The Fake Sound Of Progress Era) Season 6 (Start Something Era) Season 7 (Liberation Transmission Era) Season 8 ( The Betrayed Era Part 1) Season 9 (The Betrayed Era Part 2) Season 10 (Weapons Era) (Would include a swat raid & a courtroom montage scene as the ending of the season 10 finale) Season 11 (Disbandment and formation of No Devotion) (Final episode of final season will be the biopic series version of No Devotion performing Stay)
Thank you 🙏 I DESPISE what Ian did, especially as someone who used their music to cope with their own abuse that I was going through at that time. Even though I can’t stand seeing his face but I can’t help still having that spot in my heart for the lostprophets music. They’re STILL the GREATEST live act I’ve seen. Nobody came close. Not my chemical romance, not good Charlotte. NOBODY. Haha 😆 I’ve wished someone would. I genuinely miss having that special thing to look forward to. 😔 Hoping Nova Rockafeller takes that top spot next. 🤞
The way you described Start Something is exactly how I feel about that album as well. It's the album I use to describe the type of album I hope to create. It's a work of art. Thank you for making this video and for focusing on the music.
Start something is genuinely a flawless album. Literally not a single weak track on it. I can listen to that album start to finish and never get bored. I can’t even say that about some of my favourite bands albums.
They were a great band. It's just such a sad situation. They are part of that great early 2000s nu metal scene. I was only a kid when they were popular. It isn't fair that we aren't allowed to listen to them sort of like people think forgetting them will somehow erase what Ian did. Looking at them musically they still hold up and we should be allowed to separate the art from the artist.
Good job man! It's heartbreaking that the music has been tarnished by everything around Ian. It is a super hard topic for most and I can completely understand that. But I do, even more now reading these comments and watching this video feel a sense of relief. It seems I'm far from alone in having a genuine tie and connection to these tracks and music from my youth, especially for me "Last Summer" but yet I'm torn, because obviously none of us can get over what Ian did, and why should we, what he did is wrong on all levels. Unfortunately separating the music from the artist is near impossible. Anyway, what I can take away from this, is a surprisingly comforting feeling. To know that I'm far from alone in my love for these amazing albums, especially their second album. Thanks for the video, and acknowledging the elephant in the room. 👍🏾😊
Having seen all the comments, I totally agree... but I have to mention that when we are young, exciting new music is discovered every minute/hour/day/week, however not so often as we grow up. I was 35'ish when I first heard the LoPh's and it was like becoming a teenager again! Finding something I could enthuse about so much and and rant at all my mates about at all available opportunities. What an incredible experience. Seeing them live 3 or 4 times I have "tour T shirts" that I can no longer wear, however they are still somewhere in my wardrobe (!) Being a musician/performer/writer, I recognise that they made some amazing stuff. I had never seen the subtitle to Never Gonna Catch Tomorrow but hearing the track, I immediately picked up on the line "good shoes won't save you this time" and was spell bound , as with most of Watkins' lyrics. Complimented by the awesome musicianship of course. I hope the rest of all the guys are ok and they are getting their due royalties. This critique and presentation is perfect... Very well done.
I'm glad someone has made a video about the music itself rather than just talking about Ian Watkins. As disgusting as he is, the music itself it's more important in some rare cases
Liked all the albums and saw them in Florida. Quality and feel sorry for the rest of the band due to singer’s behaviour. Music is still outstanding, thanks for bringing back to my playlist.
Great video! Together with Linkin Park, these guys were my fav band when growing up. The fake sound of progress and start something are fucking amazing imo. Liberation Transmition was cool but to me had lost a bit of the energy, even though I like most songs and still very much enjoy most of the album. I have a very broad taste in music and as I grew older I went through different phases and shifted to old school hip hop. This resulted in me actually missing the last two albums and only discovering them much later. Gave them a listen but it honestly didn’t convince me so I just stuck to the “old” albums. Then I heard about Watkins crimes...Quite heartbreaking for everyone involved (The victims, the fans, the other band members). It really tarnished everything. I’ve been listening to the old albums again, especially the first two and it’s weird because obviously I can’t forget what he did, but the music is still great. I do believe in being able to separate art from artist (while still acknowledging that a certain connection is always going to be present and being aware of who the artist is, to not be ignorant of reality and the connections). I also think it is important to talk about this stuff without immediately losing ones shit about it. It is possible to enjoy great albums that shaped my teen years while still being aware and reflective of the terrible things that they are connected to. It’s important to talk about this shit, not just brush it under the rug. Thanks for being honest and real about your opinions of the band.
Many good points, and also exactly how I feel about it too. Tragic that things played out the way that they did, but the music etc. shouldn't just be wiped from history. Glad to hear that I'm not alone in that. Cheers, man! 🤘🏻
A true story to lighten the mood, I used to live in Cardiff and a few months before Watkins got arrested I was in a nightclub called Bogiez (which was the local rock club). Also in there was a guy called Magzy who played guitar for a few of the local hardcore bands. Watkins walks in and then out of no where a slightly inebriated Magzy lunges for and beats down Watkins. A few years later we joked/theorized that Magzy had a premonition of what Ian had done so got his shots in early. Apparently No Devotion are working on a new record I wish them the best.
In another timeline I wonder what a sixth Lostprophets album would have been like if Jamie Oliver was the lead singer and DJ Stepzak came back due to the fact of Jamie moving to the role of lead singer after I.W. was sentenced ?
@@fridaythe13ththegamekills54 Well ideally it would have been nice for the band to make another album like Start Something, but I would have been fine with a continuation of what they had been doing with Weapons as well. As I mentioned in the video, the void left by lp really has never been filled, so just about any continuation would've done the job for me. (Plus the fact that I like all of their releases, no matter the direction)
@@FADEntertainment Would it be easier for certain people to listen to the band if they kept the Lostprophets name one last time with Jamie Oliver (replacing I.W. because he was sentenced) as lead singer on the weapons follow-up which in an alternative reality would be titled Emptiness before finally moving on to No Devotion in 2014 ? Despite what went down in the end I respect the music side of the band and I agree that the music should not be forgotten
Im so glad i found this video. Ive only found out about this band after the incident of Ian Watkins sadly, but i just fell in love with the songs, and i couldn't get enough of it. If Ian Watkins didn't do what he did, this would easily be my favorite band, because ive never seen such a band that sounds similar to it as of late (this band is just unique). I do feel a guilty pleasure listening to it, but i guess the only one we have to blame is Ian, for putting an end to his carreer and all of the other members. The fact that this band has all of the genres i love, going from nu-metal to an emo-style rock, just baffles me, and i still can't believe that Ian Watkins just wasted a gem of a band for his own narcissistic and sick desires.
Respect to ya for recognising that it is the integrity o the music that matters. Of course his Victims must not be forgotten, but this was outside of the bands control an tarnishing them only increases the amount of Victims. If people are unable to debate, or consider the music as it's own entity, then maybe their inability to do so represents their own lack of creative critical thinking!!
You know, that's the EXACT same argument I use when people give me crap when I show them my huge collection of Hitler paintings I keep above my alter. Man, what an artist! Troubled souls have the BEST TALENT!!!!
the band members knew, they were complicit, all the proof is out there, just look for it, or remain ignorant and just keep living under the assumption of "they band didnt know!" lmao
@@JaymeSplendid He was actually a talented artist. And I say that as someone with a degree in art myself. But the difference between what scum Ian is as a person and what the Austrian painter was about and fought for is fucking night and day. Your silly view of the painter consists only of what you’ve been taught to believe/think about him, as you have clearly never done any unbiased research into what actually happened back then and what he was really like. Do you seriously think that victors teach historical reality, much less the reality about their enemies in war? Get real. We are taught the dude is such a ridiculous cartoonish villain. It’s absurd. Stop being so embarrassing.
@@JaymeSplendid P.S. Not to mention how embarrassing it is that you instantly resorted to Godwin’s Law to shame people for merely listening to music. LMFAO!
"The Fake Sound of Progress" was originally released on 2000 and was re-released a year after. The original starts off with "Obscure Intro" and then "Shinobi vs. Dragon Ninja" and the interludes were separated into their own tracks.
I follow these 3 rules to listen to them with absolute chill: 1: I don't care 2: Past is past 3: If i do not see evil, hear evil or speak of it, im fully protected
Good vid. I'll still give some of their songs a spin now and again for the nostalgia but it would have to be on my own it can never be a social thing with friends. I would never put them on a playlist or anything in case it came up.
I was crazy about LP in 2000s. I still love their first album to death and brings so many memories but yes it's so hard to listen with all that happened. Feel really sorry for all the musicians in the band. To me Lostprophets IS Fakesoundofprogress and a couple songs from second album. Lost interest after. Great thing that you made this video though.
This band is has some real unique style of guitar playing and singing. The drumming is so aggressive and smooth. A great band no one talks about that had a big effect on me.
I feel exactly the same, although I think Start Something has some of the best guitar arrangements I have heard it’s TFSOP which continues to be my favorite album. I heard it in 2002 and it just changed my life the raw and the melodic side of each song just got inside of me.
I absolutely despise IW for the horrible, inhumane crimes he's committed and I'm glad he's getting his just dessert by rotting in prison, he deserves a harsher punishment if you ask me but it's better than no punishment As for the music, it makes me sad to see such good music and talent wasted, Start Something was an amazing album and The Fake Sound of Progress and Liberation Transmission were also very good albums
Great job man, I really liked Lp before the front man messed it all up for his band mates. Last Train Home still remains part of my teenage yrs and its almost impossible to find and play anymore
Man i really like LP, yo got the point... Also so i feel that Start Something was a truly masterpiece... Separate the music from the personal life of Ian.. hes work recording was so great. Also a shame and a particular way not to do the things in life for you all my friends... think the consecuences of all the things you do!. Love and peace! From Lima- Perú.
As someone who discovered their music through racing games (Forza Horizon 1 to be more specific), I still enjoyed the band even with Ian Watkins' despicable actions. I was horrified when I found out, and I struggled to accept listening to their music. It wasn't easy separating the art from the artist if you ask me. However, I've been picking up Lostprophets back up, and I am happy the other members are in a much better with No Devotion even if they've distanced themselves for a good reason. Thanks for the video.
Yeah, I remember Forza Horizon had 2 LP songs from the Weapons album. Crazy times. I can also imagine that separating the art from the artist was even more difficult when the 'events' were more recent etc. Cheers, man! 🙏🏻
I want to add that Start Something wouldn’t be the album we all love without one of the best producers Eric Valentine who produced, recorded and mixed the album. For all us music lovers it’s valuable to understand almost all our favorite recordings were made with right people at right time.
Somehow, I'm only just seeing this video. A great summary of a fantastic band without doing it any injustice of going too much into "the elephant in the room." I thought you might like this video on the same sort of topic. It's Sean (Formerly of The Blackout) who was obviously once friends with IW, so much so they featured on eachothers albums (Ian appeared on The Blackout's song "It's High Tide Baby", and Sean provides the screamed vocals on "Everyday Combat"). But in this video he hits the nail on the head with the quote "let's not make 'Lostprophets' a dirty word." ruclips.net/video/5jITOnq3Uoo/видео.html
Been listening to lost prophets again for first time in like 10 years , forgot all about them an wasn’t aware of what Ian did but, gotta seperate the artist from the art sometimes and just enjoy the music
Here's my perspective on Lostprophets: When I was a kid, I was playing Need For Speed: Underground and found this song in the game's soundtrack: "To Hell We Ride" from Start Something. That's how I first heard about the band. In Savox's video on 7 of the most evil musicians, Savox played a clip of "Rooftops". To be honest, I was afraid of checking out a couple of LP's songs on RUclips because it would probably make me look like a bad person because I already heard about Ian's conviction. I actually wanted to check them out because I was curious, so I needed to hear some opinions on this situation. I found a someone asking a question on Quora if it's morally wrong to listen to LP with the knowledge of Ian's conviction. Two people answered and both of whom said no. I was also like, "Screw it. I'm only gonna live once." I actually like the two songs "To Hell We Ride" and "Rooftops", and they're only two songs I have downloaded on my phone.
I stopped listening for them in 2013, but same as you I can't stop listening to them. I heared Burn Burn in Fifa 04 and Rooftops in Guitar Hero (I think World Tour) and got hooked. But The Betrayed will ever have a place in my heart. Nice to see that I'm not the only that can't stop listening to their Songs. Sadly always after I listened an Album I have bad feelings coming to my mind about the things Ian did. If I can't handle that I listen to No Devotion and Young Guns. Two Great Bands and not just a replacement.
I just came across this I loved their music and when it all happened a huge part of my youth was ripped away I used to drive along with them blasting on the stereo, every now and again I will listen to a track but now it is in private. There is another band Skindred and they do fill the void abit and they are amazing live
i’m ngl lost prophets rock. shinobi vs dragon ninja is just rocks so hard and i love the super emo feel from rooftops. they were such a good band but when i heard the vile acts of ian it made me sick. when i listen i honestly think ian’s vocals r totally replaceable and i sometimes get mad cause out of all the vocalists it was him and he’s not even that good😒 as far as the band and music instrumentals that’s definitely not replaceable. i struggle w listening to em and feeling guilty but i liked the video :) i hate how much i like the music
Good video, I agree mostly, just haven't really got into thigs after Liberation Transmission, I discovered Underoath at thet time and then it led me to heavier music, but Lostprophets is still a band that I listen to, Discovered them from NFSUG they had a soundtrack "Ride", such a banger. So many memories... P.S good stuff, but you need a better mic ! :)
I’m still conflicted about listening to the music, as much as I loved them and still do, I feel disgusted because of him and I feel like I’m supporting him when I’m more for supporting the music and the rest of the group. I remember I spoke to my partner earlier in the year about how I felt and he basically said “considering the rest of the band is completely innocent and you really enjoy listening to them it’s okay, that does not mean you support that piece of shit” I still feel very uncomfortable though.
MAn I know I am late to watch this Video but... EVERYTHING you said about this band is what i feel. I love this music. I just stumbled upon this video and and so glad you made it.. If you can man lets talk!
Controversial opinion incoming surrounding Lostprophets, though just the music this time around-I actually find Liberation Transmission to be their best album, even though it is also their poppiest. For one it (and Weapons) seems to have the best production, however unlike Weapons the rhythms and chord progressions still have some uniqueness, the songs are in a VERY wide range of key signatures (I believe that, including B-sides, the band used 10 of the 12 possible keys on that album, assuming that we count the relative major and minor versions of a given key as the same key), the choruses are on average a lot catchier than those on Weapons (or FSOP/Start Something/The Betrayed), and (yeah I know about the elephant in the room surrounding Ian) Ian’s voice sounds A LOT nicer (and shows FAR more vocal range) on Liberation Transmission compared to any of the band’s other albums except The Betrayed (and the 2007 Garage Sessions songs, where his voice was at its ABSOLUTE peak), especially on the B-sides (this is after he had fully recovered from a throat injury in the late 90s and his voice had truly matured, and BEFORE he started doing drugs (and likely the other bad things he is now infamous for)). The Betrayed is mostly solid as are the 2007 Garage Sessions songs, however the softer songs aren’t as engaging, largely because of the weaker melodies and reduced amount of harmonizations (I am an absolute SUCKER for good high harmonies in the backgrounds of songs, and Liberation Transmission is full of those).
I got in to this LP because of hearing Last Train Home on the original NFL Street game & was hooked on the music from then on. Definitely can't say the same these days when I hear their music. I STILL feel disgusted to think about the monster you know who is.
Wow. Plus za odwagę, uwielbiam Lostprophets! Super film fajnie, że ktoś zrobił coś o nich pomimo tego co się stało. / Best regards man great vid. Keep it up and big thumbs up for the courage. Happy Easter man!
@@FADEntertainment no juz kiedyś Ci pisałem gusy muzyczny to Ty masz stary "pryyyma sort" i fajnid sie ogląda oby kanał trochę się wybił bo zasługuje ;) pokażę paru osobom z podobnym gustem :) PS; znasz takie kapele ; Flaw, AWS, Suicide Silence, SOiL, Fightstar? Pewnie tak. 3maj sie piona!
@@MUSICKamil Haha, dzięki! Kanał to tylko takie hobby, więc jak filmiki się innym podobają, to jest to tylko bonus :) P.S mam pierwszą płytę SOiL i pierwsze dwie płyty Flaw 🙌🏻 stary, dobry nu-metal ;)
People do terrible sh!t all the time, it shouldn’t distract you from the art. If it did stop you from consuming I guarantee their would their would be much less products about, as that’s all it is... a product. First time I seen LP was in the cavern in Liverpool years ago and they were piss poor tbh I think it was just before first album probably just the run up to the release, met Ian a few times an always questioned his attitude later confirmed. That being said him an the lads were great songwriters, shame! Too much of this disgusting behaviour about, but art is art. Enjoy it for what it is, be cool an don’t be a Ian ‘nonce’kins 👎 coz that’s not cool at all.. !!! I wish the rest of the lads in the band all the best for the future.. Hope the spark isn’t totally gone... an they can continue to create. peace ✌️ X.
I know this video was a deliberate attempt to remove Art from the Artist, and perhaps it’s simply a conversation people don’t want to have in this case, but bare with me a second. It’s difficult to pin point when, however I think with hinesight, a line between the quality of the art and the downfall of the artist can be drawn. Early videos of LP live performances you see an energetic and lively frontman, By the end in 2012 he’s a pasty mess, who can barely sing somedays & is virtually carried by the rest of the band on any given show. Singing, Lyrics, album artwork theme - All of IW usual contributions begins to either decline or often be ‘phoned-in’ imo as time went on - & the rest of the band were picking up the slack. I think even if IW wasn’t the monster we now know him to be, Lostprophets were probably done as a band after Weapons. Anyway rant over just my 2c, Thanks for the video, As an old LP fan all these years later the sense of anger and betrayal will never go away, but the love for Start Something hasn’t either, & it’s hard to explain how that could possibly be, but you did as well as anyone could.
dude exactly. i still ove that band because like you said it still had 5 other legit musicians, this video was great and well spoken, thanks for giving my thought better words.
Fake Sound of Progress (the original Visible Noise version) is still one of my favourite albums of all-time. I like it a lot more than the re-recorded American version. Not a single bad song, and Start Something was great too... love Sway in particular. They went a little too emo after that for me (I HATE Rooftops, lol) even though they still had some bangers on later albums. 4am Forever is still a very special song for my wife & I despite all Ian's fuckery that happened. Finally found a RUclips link to the original FSOP album in full some dude made here if anyone wants a listen - ruclips.net/video/H6ys-AOinuQ/видео.html
I started to discover Lostprophets back on July 21 when a Sailor Moon fan who also loves the band commented on my Anti-Powerpuff Girls movement in a nutshell meme,and he posted two Lostprophets songs that reminds his hate with the show and even Craig McCracken. Plus,I started to hear officially their songs since yesterday starting to Bring em Down,and they are really good! Shame that they disbanded just because the vocalist's atrocius decisions
Hey man, thanks for making this. I really enjoyed listening to it. Lee. X
Oh my, I never in my life would've imagined that this video would reach an ex-member, it's an honour! Thank you so much!🤘🏻🎸:)
Thank you, Lee! Your music has played a huge part in my life, and I'm sure countless others. I'll always continue to support any future projects you and the guys release in the wake of LP.
And thank you F.A.D. Entertainment for making this video. Your assessment is spot on, this catalog of music is far too good to be hidden away forever, the whole band doesn't deserve to be erased because of IW.
Fakesound of progress was my favorite album. Thanks for the great music
This isn’t Lee. Do you you really think a grown man linked with this type of controversy would be subscribed to roblox accounts and making mobile game videos. Obviously a password guessed account explaining the date.
@@bandname Those are my children
I 100% agree with everything you said. Lostprophets' discography is incredible, and despite all the horrible things that happened I've never stopped listening to their music. How they managed to make five albums with virtually no bad or skippable song baffles me, and I've always unironically said their tracks should be studied in songwriting classes: they're the catchiest thing imaginable and a part of me always tried to keep them in mind while writing for my band. I've seen a lot of people burn their CDs and act like Lostprophets never existed, but I can't: perhaps I'm wrong, but I think you should always separate art from the artist. Plus, as you said, there were five other people in the band (I'm glad to see Lee Gaze stumbled upon this video as well), and if Watkins' actions should be despised, the other poor guys' art should be celebrated.
Cheers from Italy,
Armando
P.S.: Start Something is INSANE.
Always happy to see people that are on the same page here :)
Needless to say, I wholeheartedly agree 🤘🏻
Ti rispondo in italiano perché credevo di essere la sola a condividere la tua stessa idea (in Italia)
I still bump last train and Shinobi vs Dninja
@@FADEntertainment I almost completely agree except 4 a.m. forever, and For Sure are definitely skippable
Fake sound of progress album changed my life the betrayed albums was ok and weapons some songs hit or miss but another shot song idk the lyrics for that feel like he tried to say something
It’s funny tho that the history always gets mixed up. It was me and IW that formed Lp while they played in Public Disturbance. We asked Mike to join on bass and he got moved to guitar when we recorded with Stu as we were blown aaay by how good Stu was on bass.
Oh wow. Someone should really fact-check the info online! Haha.
I always love to hear/find out about the behind-the-scenes stuff, so this is very fascinating to me :)
I always thought that Mike Lewis was one of the founding members of LP. It turns out that Wikipedia has kept me in the dark.
You guys didn't Deserve what happened and I still listen to all your music to this day it hit home when it needs to and picks me back up and being from the UK too you guys gave a small UK town band some hope thank you for your music
@@lukewoodman9714 that's not Lee it's just a pretender.
@@wilfredwayne7139 It IS Lee. I checked the channel a few months ago and there was a video that he had uploaded.
My heart struggles so much whenever someone asks my favorite band. Thank you for this
People can't hate a band because of one and only person. The rest of the band are incredible and I will still listen to them. Forever.
I know this video is a year old now, but I still catch myself coming back to the band multiple times. The band was fantastic, and though Ian is a disgusting excuse for a human, he was skilled at singing and had the ability to keep people hooked with very catchy hooks and lines. Sad we will never get another band like them.
Let me put it like this, I have actually measured his vocal range in depth and let’s just say he was every bit as talented as he was despicable. This is best exemplified by his vocal feats, as a baritone/baritenor no less, the highlights including:
1. Repeatedly belting out Bb4, B4, and Db5 in the chorus of Save Yourself, and still being able to speak and pronounce fast words clearly in such high registers. Similar use of high registers exists in countless other songs, with probably the best example being the chorus of If You Don’t Stand For Something, You’ll Fall For Anything (staying in the G#4-D5 range for over 30 seconds, and then ending on an upward run from B4 to E5 (!!!!!!!!) in mixed voice).
2. Belted and sustained B4-A#4-F#4 runs in the chorus of AC Ricochet, and (possibly, but still unconfirmed) sustained D5-A4 and D5-C#5 belts in the chorus of Every Song (4AM Forever B-side).
3. Fast, heavily syncopated runs on the Eb5 note in both Next Stop, Atro City and DSTRYR/DSTRYR, and possibly D#5/E5 and (peaked) F#5 in the VERSES of Weapon. Note that these are in MIXED voice and NOT falsetto. A slightly weaker (and much less raspy) version exists in the bridge of Dead to Me, which is in the C5-D5 range (this is after very long SUSTAINED A4 belts in the chorus).
4. Upward runs to mixed voice sustained Eb5 in 4AM Forever (end of the penultimate chorus), and It’s Not the End of the World, But I Can See It From Here (in the bridge-the SECOND of a pair of throat-shreddingly high screams). The end of the chorus of If You Don’t Stand For Something, You’ll Fall For Anything is even more impressive with upward runs from B4 to E5 (!!!!!!!!!!) in mixed voice.
5. Speaking of It’s Not the End of the World, But I Can See It From Here, there is one acoustic version entirely in falsetto, which is not only really impressive, but the bridge vocal run (due to being in falsetto) is raised multiple semitones, and in that version goes all the way to G#5!!!!! Heaven for the Weather, Hell for the Company also has impressive upward falsetto runs that (I think) go up to F5/F#5. Also, in both Sway and the aforementioned acoustic version of It’s Not The End of the World, But I Can See It From Here, there is also a lot of lower falsetto singing, which requires quite a lot of skill.
6. Moving away from high notes, the guy’s lower register was also quite impressive, able to reach down to (I think) D2-E2. This is especially noticeable on the song Directions. The use of vocal fry in the first verse of If It Wasn’t for Hate, We Would be Dead (as well as the cover of Sweet Dreams my LA Ex) is also really impressive…
Such a waste of talent, Watkins had the adulation of most of the UK’s teenage girls, and unlike say, Justin Bieber or One Direction or Westlife had the actual TALENT to back it up, but he threw it all away on truly sick and evil things (and was probably having a catastrophic mental collapse and dissociating from reality). I guess this is Exhibit A of my theory that the most gifted among us are at least a little bit psychotic as well, given that Watkins was likely already mentally a bit unstable even before becoming addicted to drugs, and the drugs and fame were essentially the straw that broke the camel’s back, but dammit, I wish that I could live in a timeline where he stayed off the drugs, recognized his problems, and got help BEFORE hurting others…at least Suno AI might allow us to pretend (Lostprophets are probably the only band I would consider ethical to make “new songs of” with AI-albeit for personal enjoyment and not with the intent of making money)…
That said, when actually listening to Lostprophets, I can’t help but feel like a lot of their songs are missing that one thing to make them truly special, even if a truly great song (or even just the bones of one) already exists. Most of their songs scream for guitar solos, piano flourishes in the final chorus, etc…If I were to download their songs after paying with my own money, I would add these flourishes myself and mix them into the songs (for the versions that I listen to, and no, I would not attempt to sell those or anything)-this is why I think paying for CDs or songs on iTunes is still SOMETIMES worthwhile, as it is something I want to do with a lot of songs in my iTunes.
I remember when I heard Wake up (Make a Move) for the very first time. I remember when I ran to the record store to see if they already had the next album. Liberation, Betrayed and Weapons. We are approaching to ten years of Lostprophets' demise and still hurts. I go back and listen to those records sometimes, records that were part of my teenage years and adulthood. I remember when the news broke (I am from Colombia, but a friend of mine who lives in the UK told me via Live Messenger) and I couldn't believe it, and I still can't believe this man who had it all, not just money, he was a handsome man, that hid such a dark part of himself.
Hard not to feel bad for the other guys in the band Obviously not as bad as I feel for Watkin's victims, but the rest of them lost more than just a gig. They're entire discography, decades of work is blacklisted. No one is going to license that music any time soon.
Normally, popular bands with a healthy discography can rely on future income through legacy alone. Not former LP members though.
F you Watkins.
I stopped listening to them for a while after what happened, but I could not stay away forever as their music will always hace a special place in my heart, mostly because it was my college best friend's favorite band, and he passed away in early 2012. I listened to lp all night that day.
Thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou so much for making this!
You treated this with so much respect and were spot on with your opinions! A great history of the band, I wish more people gave them the respect that you did!
They're my hometown band and one of my favourite bands of all time!
Haha, I'm happy to hear that :) Good to see that I'm not the only one 🙏🏻
Thanks for watching! 🤘🏻
Funny running into you here
I still listen to LP as of today. I don't HATE the band as a whole, just Ian.
I just wish LP could still perform. All they had to do was just get a new singer. Since Lee Gaze also founded the band he had the rights of ownership of the band and Ian would lose all privileges after his arrest.
LostProphets will always be awesome. (Minus Ian, he can burn in HELL.)
it has taken me 10 years to be able to listen to them again. They were my favorite band growing up. i'm glad i'm finally at that point where I can listen to them again and seperate art from artist.
Music in this video:
Last Summer: 1:16
Hello Again: 5:54
Broken Hearts and Torn Up Letters: 11:04
A Better Nothing: 13:54
Somedays: 16:54
Last Train Home: 19:21
I totally hear what you say about not finding a band that will "fill the void." I feel exactly the same. Lostprophets were my favourite band, I was lucky enough to see them live twice. They were such good memories. I still feel sad sometimes that I will never get to see them again (but I know that's nothing compared to what the victims have been through including the rest of the band). I still listen to Lostprophets, I love all of their albums, Start Something also being my favourite! At the end of the day the other members of Lostprophets all had (and I am sure still have) so much talent and they don't deserve to be forgotten or put down just because of one person. Their music was phenomenal and it will always be a part of my life :).
I was a big fan of LostProphets as a kid after hearing ‘lucky you’ from the spider-man 2 soundtrack and remember seeing the music video for ‘rooftops’ on TV. Still one of my favourite band in terms of the music and I still listen to them now with ‘Start Something’ being one of if not my favourite album I’ve ever listened to.
I also do like ‘no devotion’ and support them. It’s a shame their careers were ruined by the monster that is Ian Watkins.
I love The Fake Sound of Progress and Start Something...always takes me back to the early 00's and despite IW being a monster, I still listen to them when the mood strikes me.
Finally someone who agrees with me. Start something is the best album to be ever made.
Can anyone suggest me bands that sound like them. I know it's a big ask but anyone?
@@kushagranautiyal1386 Are you familiar with Bring Me The Horizon? I'd specifically recommend their albums:
Sempiternal, That's The Spirit, Amo, and Post Human Survival Horror.
I'm not saying they sound just like LP (no one does), but if you listen through all those albums you'll definitely find some similar energy.
@@kushagranautiyal1386 Enter Shikari maybe?
@@kushagranautiyal1386 Incubus
Listen to this song at the 2:35 time and tell me what the voice sounds a bit similar to
ruclips.net/video/Sd5CYog9aFU/видео.html
I always thought earlier stuff from Incubus (off their SCIENCE and Make Yourself albums) and Hoobastank (first album) were pretty close to Lostprophets... loved all 3 bands back in the day. The song Crawling in the Dark by Hoobastank and A Certain Shade of Green by Incubus are good starting points 🤘
A controversial one, to say the least. I don't know what the general response will be, but I did my best to tackle this topic in the most appropriate/fitting way possible.
I thought I was the only one in this cruel world to like listening to Lostprophets, now I can safely say I have found an ally.
Haha, cheers! 🤘🏻 :)
I feel the same way. Their music is still amazing, it just sucks its been stigmatized so badly because of his actions. I try and separate the two when I listen though. Obviously it is very hard to forget what he did, nor should it be forgotten, but I try and just enjoy the music.
I just stumbled upon them this year. If not for Watkins, Im certain they'd still be playing today.
Just want to say you did an awesome job documenting lostprophets history. And I completely agree, the music shouldn't be forgotten, and like yourself, I still think no other band carried this genre or filled the void that they left. Having said that, it still is one of my favourite bands ever.. Again, great video, you kept it accurate and pleasant. Kudos, dude..
Thanks a ton! Really glad to hear that :)
Cheers! 🤘🏻
Fantastic review. I had alot of inneral turmoil when all the shit went down. But at the end of the day, through all these years, this is still the #1 band for me.
The reason I say that because after 22 years & many new or old bands i love, they are still my #1 favorite bands. i still connect to ALL (yes all) of their songs. Some how some way each song means something special to me.
I do not condone what Ian did 1 bit, but at the end of the day, I connected with this band & their music on the soul level.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 🍻
!!Alabama!!!
Recently I reviewed their discography. I’m someone that’s never heard of them till recently. To me it seemed like they were really with whatever was popular at the time. Nu-Metal on their first album, Hoobistank on the 2nd, then emo on the third.
They went from “we’ll kick your ass” rocker dudes to “please don’t kick our ass” emo aesthetic. As an American it makes sense why they didn’t make it here. The sounds they experimented with were beaten to death in the states.
We had so many pop punk and Nu Metal bands that Brits never heard of. You couldn’t really distinguish LostProphets from any of those bands. They did get bad reviews here.
With the negative out the way. LostProphets had some good guitar riffs. There were a handful of songs I liked. The lyricism was pretty creative sometimes. Melodies weren’t the best until Liberation Transmission.
THANK YOU for saying this! One of my favourite ever bands too, and equally I find it awkward to discuss them with anyone. "What he did was just too wrong," one of my friends said. "People aren't comfortable." So frustrating. I rediscovered lostprophets last summer (convenient pun) during lockdown and have listened to them almost daily since. I keep finding new meanings in the lyrics and discovering new love for tracks I'd previously skipped or just not really listened to. Still Laughing is one - the last section where the awesome tapping riff starts, and Ian is singing something that I hope he hasn't forgotten: "I'm still waiting; I still breathe; That's a sign that I'm still me; I'm still breathing; I can see; So I must be alive for real"
Picture an LP Biopic Netflix series
Season 1 (Early Days - Aftermath)
Season 2 (Aftermath- Fleshbind)
Season 3 (Fleshbind- Public Disturbance)
Season 4 (Public Disturbance- Lostprophets Early EPs)
Season 5 (The Fake Sound Of Progress Era)
Season 6 (Start Something Era)
Season 7 (Liberation Transmission Era)
Season 8 ( The Betrayed Era Part 1)
Season 9 (The Betrayed Era Part 2)
Season 10 (Weapons Era) (Would include a swat raid & a courtroom montage scene as the ending of the season 10 finale)
Season 11 (Disbandment and formation of No Devotion) (Final episode of final season will be the biopic series version of No Devotion performing Stay)
Thank you 🙏 I DESPISE what Ian did, especially as someone who used their music to cope with their own abuse that I was going through at that time. Even though I can’t stand seeing his face but I can’t help still having that spot in my heart for the lostprophets music. They’re STILL the GREATEST live act I’ve seen. Nobody came close. Not my chemical romance, not good Charlotte. NOBODY. Haha 😆 I’ve wished someone would. I genuinely miss having that special thing to look forward to. 😔 Hoping Nova Rockafeller takes that top spot next. 🤞
It really is a shame that Watkins is such a despicable waste cause he had a good voice and they made some good music.
Yep, exactly that.
The way you described Start Something is exactly how I feel about that album as well. It's the album I use to describe the type of album I hope to create. It's a work of art. Thank you for making this video and for focusing on the music.
Start something is genuinely a flawless album. Literally not a single weak track on it. I can listen to that album start to finish and never get bored. I can’t even say that about some of my favourite bands albums.
I agree completely. Just a perfect record, cover to cover.
THANK YOU!!!! A VOICE OF REASON!!!😊😊😊
The only song I wasn't really into was 'Hello Again'. I think they should have swapped it with the B-side 'Our Broken Hearts'
They were a great band. It's just such a sad situation. They are part of that great early 2000s nu metal scene. I was only a kid when they were popular. It isn't fair that we aren't allowed to listen to them sort of like people think forgetting them will somehow erase what Ian did. Looking at them musically they still hold up and we should be allowed to separate the art from the artist.
Good job man! It's heartbreaking that the music has been tarnished by everything around Ian. It is a super hard topic for most and I can completely understand that. But I do, even more now reading these comments and watching this video feel a sense of relief. It seems I'm far from alone in having a genuine tie and connection to these tracks and music from my youth, especially for me "Last Summer" but yet I'm torn, because obviously none of us can get over what Ian did, and why should we, what he did is wrong on all levels. Unfortunately separating the music from the artist is near impossible. Anyway, what I can take away from this, is a surprisingly comforting feeling. To know that I'm far from alone in my love for these amazing albums, especially their second album. Thanks for the video, and acknowledging the elephant in the room. 👍🏾😊
Having seen all the comments, I totally agree... but I have to mention that when we are young, exciting new music is discovered every minute/hour/day/week, however not so often as we grow up. I was 35'ish when I first heard the LoPh's and it was like becoming a teenager again! Finding something I could enthuse about so much and and rant at all my mates about at all available opportunities. What an incredible experience. Seeing them live 3 or 4 times I have "tour T shirts" that I can no longer wear, however they are still somewhere in my wardrobe (!) Being a musician/performer/writer, I recognise that they made some amazing stuff. I had never seen the subtitle to Never Gonna Catch Tomorrow but hearing the track, I immediately picked up on the line "good shoes won't save you this time" and was spell bound , as with most of Watkins' lyrics. Complimented by the awesome musicianship of course. I hope the rest of all the guys are ok and they are getting their due royalties. This critique and presentation is perfect... Very well done.
Dude, that title is sooooo accurate. Try getting a radio station to play one of their songs these days.
I'm glad someone has made a video about the music itself rather than just talking about Ian Watkins. As disgusting as he is, the music itself it's more important in some rare cases
Liked all the albums and saw them in Florida. Quality and feel sorry for the rest of the band due to singer’s behaviour. Music is still outstanding, thanks for bringing back to my playlist.
They were an incredible band. _Start something_ is one of my all-time favourite records. And you're right, no one has filled that space since. Cheers!
Great video! Together with Linkin Park, these guys were my fav band when growing up. The fake sound of progress and start something are fucking amazing imo. Liberation Transmition was cool but to me had lost a bit of the energy, even though I like most songs and still very much enjoy most of the album. I have a very broad taste in music and as I grew older I went through different phases and shifted to old school hip hop. This resulted in me actually missing the last two albums and only discovering them much later. Gave them a listen but it honestly didn’t convince me so I just stuck to the “old” albums. Then I heard about Watkins crimes...Quite heartbreaking for everyone involved (The victims, the fans, the other band members). It really tarnished everything. I’ve been listening to the old albums again, especially the first two and it’s weird because obviously I can’t forget what he did, but the music is still great. I do believe in being able to separate art from artist (while still acknowledging that a certain connection is always going to be present and being aware of who the artist is, to not be ignorant of reality and the connections). I also think it is important to talk about this stuff without immediately losing ones shit about it. It is possible to enjoy great albums that shaped my teen years while still being aware and reflective of the terrible things that they are connected to. It’s important to talk about this shit, not just brush it under the rug. Thanks for being honest and real about your opinions of the band.
Many good points, and also exactly how I feel about it too. Tragic that things played out the way that they did, but the music etc. shouldn't just be wiped from history. Glad to hear that I'm not alone in that.
Cheers, man! 🤘🏻
A true story to lighten the mood, I used to live in Cardiff and a few months before Watkins got arrested I was in a nightclub called Bogiez (which was the local rock club). Also in there was a guy called Magzy who played guitar for a few of the local hardcore bands. Watkins walks in and then out of no where a slightly inebriated Magzy lunges for and beats down Watkins. A few years later we joked/theorized that Magzy had a premonition of what Ian had done so got his shots in early. Apparently No Devotion are working on a new record I wish them the best.
I hope they are!
It was a pretty open secret it seems, so definitely possible
Darkest Blue from the last but one album is one of my favourite LP tracks and nobody else ever mentions it
It's a great deeper cut, for sure! :)
Lostprophets were the band from my youth, dislike what Watkins done but the music was and still is amazing
In another timeline I wonder what a sixth Lostprophets album would have been like if Jamie Oliver was the lead singer and DJ Stepzak came back due to the fact of Jamie moving to the role of lead singer after I.W. was sentenced ?
We can only ever wonder, I'm afraid
@@FADEntertainment what sound would you have wanted the band to go with if a sixth album happened with Jamie as lead vocalist?
@@fridaythe13ththegamekills54 Well ideally it would have been nice for the band to make another album like Start Something, but I would have been fine with a continuation of what they had been doing with Weapons as well. As I mentioned in the video, the void left by lp really has never been filled, so just about any continuation would've done the job for me. (Plus the fact that I like all of their releases, no matter the direction)
@@FADEntertainment Would it be easier for certain people to listen to the band if they kept the Lostprophets name one last time with Jamie Oliver (replacing I.W. because he was sentenced) as lead singer on the weapons follow-up which in an alternative reality would be titled Emptiness before finally moving on to No Devotion in 2014 ?
Despite what went down in the end
I respect the music side of the band and I agree that the music should not be forgotten
If DJ Stepzak Returned in the alternate sixth album timeline what would the reaction be ?
Im so glad i found this video. Ive only found out about this band after the incident of Ian Watkins sadly, but i just fell in love with the songs, and i couldn't get enough of it. If Ian Watkins didn't do what he did, this would easily be my favorite band, because ive never seen such a band that sounds similar to it as of late (this band is just unique). I do feel a guilty pleasure listening to it, but i guess the only one we have to blame is Ian, for putting an end to his carreer and all of the other members. The fact that this band has all of the genres i love, going from nu-metal to an emo-style rock, just baffles me, and i still can't believe that Ian Watkins just wasted a gem of a band for his own narcissistic and sick desires.
Respect to ya for recognising that it is the integrity o the music that matters. Of course his Victims must not be forgotten, but this was outside of the bands control an tarnishing them only increases the amount of Victims. If people are unable to debate, or consider the music as it's own entity, then maybe their inability to do so represents their own lack of creative critical thinking!!
You know, that's the EXACT same argument I use when people give me crap when I show them my huge collection of Hitler paintings I keep above my alter. Man, what an artist! Troubled souls have the BEST TALENT!!!!
the band members knew, they were complicit, all the proof is out there, just look for it, or remain ignorant and just keep living under the assumption of "they band didnt know!" lmao
@@JaymeSplendid
He was actually a talented artist. And I say that as someone with a degree in art myself.
But the difference between what scum Ian is as a person and what the Austrian painter was about and fought for is fucking night and day. Your silly view of the painter consists only of what you’ve been taught to believe/think about him, as you have clearly never done any unbiased research into what actually happened back then and what he was really like. Do you seriously think that victors teach historical reality, much less the reality about their enemies in war? Get real. We are taught the dude is such a ridiculous cartoonish villain. It’s absurd.
Stop being so embarrassing.
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P.S. Not to mention how embarrassing it is that you instantly resorted to Godwin’s Law to shame people for merely listening to music. LMFAO!
I'm finally home. THANK YOU. Someone separating the art from the artist. To quote Label from ANCH: I...I just appreciate you so much.
Glad to hear that :)
Cheers! 🤘🏻
Mesmo eu sendo português eu precisava desse vídeo , parabéns
"The Fake Sound of Progress" was originally released on 2000 and was re-released a year after. The original starts off with "Obscure Intro" and then "Shinobi vs. Dragon Ninja" and the interludes were separated into their own tracks.
I follow these 3 rules to listen to them with absolute chill:
1: I don't care
2: Past is past
3: If i do not see evil, hear evil or speak of it, im fully protected
The American release omits "We Are Godzilla, You Are Japan" and "Sway" has the first part as "Sway" itself and the second part "Outro".
Good vid. I'll still give some of their songs a spin now and again for the nostalgia but it would have to be on my own it can never be a social thing with friends. I would never put them on a playlist or anything in case it came up.
I was born in 2004 (Yeah im 17), and i love LP. In 2014 a friend recommended me 4AM Forever....I'm still listening to their 5 albums :)
I'm not that much older myself, so similiar boats :)
100% agree. We shouldn't forget that the band was more than Watkins
I was crazy about LP in 2000s. I still love their first album to death and brings so many memories but yes it's so hard to listen with all that happened. Feel really sorry for all the musicians in the band. To me Lostprophets IS Fakesoundofprogress and a couple songs from second album. Lost interest after. Great thing that you made this video though.
This band is has some real unique style of guitar playing and singing. The drumming is so aggressive and smooth. A great band no one talks about that had a big effect on me.
Same here man It sucks what happen Lostprophets is between my top 10 fav bands
Sway is a hypnotic track. And a great cut in general
Mate, you got some real balls on you! Wish some of the bigger channels were this brutally honest!
Haha, thanks man! 🤘🏻
I feel exactly the same, although I think Start Something has some of the best guitar arrangements I have heard it’s TFSOP which continues to be my favorite album. I heard it in 2002 and it just changed my life the raw and the melodic side of each song just got inside of me.
I can definitely understand that. IMO you can't go wrong with any of the band's records :)
Cheers! 🤘🏻
I am tired of pretending like they weren't great musicians.
They were really a consistent and tight band.
I absolutely despise IW for the horrible, inhumane crimes he's committed and I'm glad he's getting his just dessert by rotting in prison, he deserves a harsher punishment if you ask me but it's better than no punishment
As for the music, it makes me sad to see such good music and talent wasted, Start Something was an amazing album and The Fake Sound of Progress and Liberation Transmission were also very good albums
Great job man, I really liked Lp before the front man messed it all up for his band mates. Last Train Home still remains part of my teenage yrs and its almost impossible to find and play anymore
Man i really like LP, yo got the point... Also so i feel that Start Something was a truly masterpiece... Separate the music from the personal life of Ian.. hes work recording was so great. Also a shame and a particular way not to do the things in life for you all my friends... think the consecuences of all the things you do!. Love and peace! From Lima- Perú.
As someone who discovered their music through racing games (Forza Horizon 1 to be more specific), I still enjoyed the band even with Ian Watkins' despicable actions. I was horrified when I found out, and I struggled to accept listening to their music. It wasn't easy separating the art from the artist if you ask me. However, I've been picking up Lostprophets back up, and I am happy the other members are in a much better with No Devotion even if they've distanced themselves for a good reason. Thanks for the video.
Yeah, I remember Forza Horizon had 2 LP songs from the Weapons album. Crazy times.
I can also imagine that separating the art from the artist was even more difficult when the 'events' were more recent etc.
Cheers, man! 🙏🏻
@@FADEntertainment Track 1 and 2.
This video is great. And you're right nothing has quite filled the void.
Totally get what you mean.... I've been listening to them for 20 years... since the first NFSU was released
i still regualy listen to there albums while driving, i can never understand the idea of not seperating the art from the artist,
I want to add that Start Something wouldn’t be the album we all love without one of the best producers Eric Valentine who produced, recorded and mixed the album. For all us music lovers it’s valuable to understand almost all our favorite recordings were made with right people at right time.
Somehow, I'm only just seeing this video.
A great summary of a fantastic band without doing it any injustice of going too much into "the elephant in the room."
I thought you might like this video on the same sort of topic.
It's Sean (Formerly of The Blackout) who was obviously once friends with IW, so much so they featured on eachothers albums (Ian appeared on The Blackout's song "It's High Tide Baby", and Sean provides the screamed vocals on "Everyday Combat").
But in this video he hits the nail on the head with the quote "let's not make 'Lostprophets' a dirty word."
ruclips.net/video/5jITOnq3Uoo/видео.html
Been listening to lost prophets again for first time in like 10 years , forgot all about them an wasn’t aware of what Ian did but, gotta seperate the artist from the art sometimes and just enjoy the music
Here's my perspective on Lostprophets:
When I was a kid, I was playing Need For Speed: Underground and found this song in the game's soundtrack: "To Hell We Ride" from Start Something. That's how I first heard about the band.
In Savox's video on 7 of the most evil musicians, Savox played a clip of "Rooftops". To be honest, I was afraid of checking out a couple of LP's songs on RUclips because it would probably make me look like a bad person because I already heard about Ian's conviction. I actually wanted to check them out because I was curious, so I needed to hear some opinions on this situation. I found a someone asking a question on Quora if it's morally wrong to listen to LP with the knowledge of Ian's conviction. Two people answered and both of whom said no. I was also like, "Screw it. I'm only gonna live once."
I actually like the two songs "To Hell We Ride" and "Rooftops", and they're only two songs I have downloaded on my phone.
Thank you for this. I love their music. Still ❤
Crazy this album about 20 years now…still hurts
Good talk ! I keep on listening to their music ! Saw them live during the Weapons Tour in Paris, great show - Great band !
I loved The Fake Sound Of Progress and Start Something.
I didn't really care for their later albums.
I still listen to those two sometimes.
I stopped listening for them in 2013, but same as you I can't stop listening to them.
I heared Burn Burn in Fifa 04 and Rooftops in Guitar Hero (I think World Tour) and got hooked.
But The Betrayed will ever have a place in my heart.
Nice to see that I'm not the only that can't stop listening to their Songs.
Sadly always after I listened an Album I have bad feelings coming to my mind about the things Ian did.
If I can't handle that I listen to No Devotion and Young Guns.
Two Great Bands and not just a replacement.
I just came across this I loved their music and when it all happened a huge part of my youth was ripped away I used to drive along with them blasting on the stereo, every now and again I will listen to a track but now it is in private.
There is another band Skindred and they do fill the void abit and they are amazing live
Exactly. Its fine to talk about this band as the other 5 members dont deserve being swept under the carpet.
There were 8 others because there was DJ Stepzak, Mike Chiplin and Ilan Rubin before.
I can listen to them now I've separated him from it. 5 other guys deserve our support n love
i’m ngl lost prophets rock. shinobi vs dragon ninja is just rocks so hard and i love the super emo feel from rooftops. they were such a good band but when i heard the vile acts of ian it made me sick. when i listen i honestly think ian’s vocals r totally replaceable and i sometimes get mad cause out of all the vocalists it was him and he’s not even that good😒 as far as the band and music instrumentals that’s definitely not replaceable. i struggle w listening to em and feeling guilty but i liked the video :) i hate how much i like the music
Same man I just feel guilty listening to them, Ian watkins has ruined everything
Good video, I agree mostly, just haven't really got into thigs after Liberation Transmission, I discovered Underoath at thet time and then it led me to heavier music, but Lostprophets is still a band that I listen to, Discovered them from NFSUG they had a soundtrack "Ride", such a banger. So many memories...
P.S good stuff, but you need a better mic ! :)
Listening to Shinobi vs Dragon Ninja forever though. Absolute banger
I’m still conflicted about listening to the music, as much as I loved them and still do, I feel disgusted because of him and I feel like I’m supporting him when I’m more for supporting the music and the rest of the group. I remember I spoke to my partner earlier in the year about how I felt and he basically said “considering the rest of the band is completely innocent and you really enjoy listening to them it’s okay, that does not mean you support that piece of shit” I still feel very uncomfortable though.
MAn I know I am late to watch this Video but... EVERYTHING you said about this band is what i feel. I love this music. I just stumbled upon this video and and so glad you made it.. If you can man lets talk!
Controversial opinion incoming surrounding Lostprophets, though just the music this time around-I actually find Liberation Transmission to be their best album, even though it is also their poppiest. For one it (and Weapons) seems to have the best production, however unlike Weapons the rhythms and chord progressions still have some uniqueness, the songs are in a VERY wide range of key signatures (I believe that, including B-sides, the band used 10 of the 12 possible keys on that album, assuming that we count the relative major and minor versions of a given key as the same key), the choruses are on average a lot catchier than those on Weapons (or FSOP/Start Something/The Betrayed), and (yeah I know about the elephant in the room surrounding Ian) Ian’s voice sounds A LOT nicer (and shows FAR more vocal range) on Liberation Transmission compared to any of the band’s other albums except The Betrayed (and the 2007 Garage Sessions songs, where his voice was at its ABSOLUTE peak), especially on the B-sides (this is after he had fully recovered from a throat injury in the late 90s and his voice had truly matured, and BEFORE he started doing drugs (and likely the other bad things he is now infamous for)). The Betrayed is mostly solid as are the 2007 Garage Sessions songs, however the softer songs aren’t as engaging, largely because of the weaker melodies and reduced amount of harmonizations (I am an absolute SUCKER for good high harmonies in the backgrounds of songs, and Liberation Transmission is full of those).
I got in to this LP because of hearing Last Train Home on the original NFL Street game & was hooked on the music from then on. Definitely can't say the same these days when I hear their music. I STILL feel disgusted to think about the monster you know who is.
Wow. Plus za odwagę, uwielbiam Lostprophets! Super film fajnie, że ktoś zrobił coś o nich pomimo tego co się stało. / Best regards man great vid. Keep it up and big thumbs up for the courage. Happy Easter man!
Dzięki stary!🤘🏻 Temat na pewno nie "najłatwiejszy", ale fajnie że się spodobało!
Awesome to hear :)
And Happy Easter to you too, bro! 🙏🏻
@@FADEntertainment no juz kiedyś Ci pisałem gusy muzyczny to Ty masz stary "pryyyma sort" i fajnid sie ogląda oby kanał trochę się wybił bo zasługuje ;) pokażę paru osobom z podobnym gustem :)
PS; znasz takie kapele ; Flaw, AWS, Suicide Silence, SOiL, Fightstar? Pewnie tak. 3maj sie piona!
@@MUSICKamil Haha, dzięki! Kanał to tylko takie hobby, więc jak filmiki się innym podobają, to jest to tylko bonus :)
P.S mam pierwszą płytę SOiL i pierwsze dwie płyty Flaw 🙌🏻 stary, dobry nu-metal ;)
People do terrible sh!t all the time, it shouldn’t distract you from the art. If it did stop you from consuming I guarantee their would their would be much less products about, as that’s all it is... a product.
First time I seen LP was in the cavern in Liverpool years ago and they were piss poor tbh I think it was just before first album probably just the run up to the release, met Ian a few times an always questioned his attitude later confirmed. That being said him an the lads were great songwriters, shame! Too much of this disgusting behaviour about, but art is art. Enjoy it for what it is, be cool an don’t be a Ian ‘nonce’kins 👎 coz that’s not cool at all.. !!! I wish the rest of the lads in the band all the best for the future.. Hope the spark isn’t totally gone... an they can continue to create.
peace ✌️ X.
Brilliant video bro well done!!!!!!!
Thanks! :)
Ótimo conteúdo e pena que hoje em dia é uma banda proibida de se citar mas separar sempre a banda do artista.
I know this video was a deliberate attempt to remove Art from the Artist, and perhaps it’s simply a conversation people don’t want to have in this case, but bare with me a second. It’s difficult to pin point when, however I think with hinesight, a line between the quality of the art and the downfall of the artist can be drawn. Early videos of LP live performances you see an energetic and lively frontman, By the end in 2012 he’s a pasty mess, who can barely sing somedays & is virtually carried by the rest of the band on any given show. Singing, Lyrics, album artwork theme - All of IW usual contributions begins to either decline or often be ‘phoned-in’ imo as time went on - & the rest of the band were picking up the slack. I think even if IW wasn’t the monster we now know him to be, Lostprophets were probably done as a band after Weapons. Anyway rant over just my 2c, Thanks for the video, As an old LP fan all these years later the sense of anger and betrayal will never go away, but the love for Start Something hasn’t either, & it’s hard to explain how that could possibly be, but you did as well as anyone could.
This is 1 out of 2 bands I still enjoy separating the art from the artist. I genuinely also still enjoy Start Something from beginning to end!
As I lay dying the other? Lol
dude exactly. i still ove that band because like you said it still had 5 other legit musicians, this video was great and well spoken, thanks for giving my thought better words.
One of My favorite bands... Not afraid of saying it... Part of My youthh.... Big part of it...
If A Better Nothing was planned to be the fourth single to The Betrayed is it okay to count it as the fourth single ?
It never actually came out as a single, though.
@@FADEntertainment I still like to count it as one even though it was never released as one
mallory knox reminded me of lp
but yea i think that 2000s sound isnt gonna be coming out with new bands
its so hard to find new rock bands
I love so much mixing Sailor Moon with Lostprophets.
Great video 👍👍
Lately is an awesome track
Fake Sound of Progress (the original Visible Noise version) is still one of my favourite albums of all-time. I like it a lot more than the re-recorded American version. Not a single bad song, and Start Something was great too... love Sway in particular.
They went a little too emo after that for me (I HATE Rooftops, lol) even though they still had some bangers on later albums. 4am Forever is still a very special song for my wife & I despite all Ian's fuckery that happened. Finally found a RUclips link to the original FSOP album in full some dude made here if anyone wants a listen - ruclips.net/video/H6ys-AOinuQ/видео.html
It wasn't just in America for the re-recorded one. It was on Columbia in the US and Visible Noise in the UK respectively.
I started to discover Lostprophets back on July 21 when a Sailor Moon fan who also loves the band commented on my Anti-Powerpuff Girls movement in a nutshell meme,and he posted two Lostprophets songs that reminds his hate with the show and even Craig McCracken.
Plus,I started to hear officially their songs since yesterday starting to Bring em Down,and they are really good! Shame that they disbanded just because the vocalist's atrocius decisions
Hard agree on Start Something. Burn Burn is one of my favorite songs ever.
Great album and song! 🙏🏻
u just earned a new sub!!! great vid!!!🤘🏻
Thanks! :) Glad to hear you enjoyed 🤘🏻