I actually miss this show. This was a good show, and throwing in the online player and giving him the profits off of 100k. Genius idea. That's what made this show great. Also the big name players.
In cash games, players have a lot of latitude to make up rules on the fly. When players go all-in, or when there are very large stakes, it's common to agree to run the hand more than once, to prevent a single bad beat from wiping somebody out.
They had two runs because at 3:42 Hachem asked Negreanu if twice is good, meaning they're going to run it twice. When one player is all in, and theres 2 people in the pot, they can agree to run it x number of times, and split the pot x ways depending on the outcome
david m Short answer: Reduces variance when you're playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Long Answer: Aces hold up against tens twice in a row .8 x .8 = .64, 64% of the time, so most of the time he'll still be winning both, but doesn't lose a huge amount of money to a lucky card here and there, because tens only win twice .2 x .2 = .04, 4% of the time. The other 32% of the time, they chop it, so it's better for aces to do this to reduce variance in the long run.
In cash games, players are given the option to "run it twice", meaning deal the flop, turn and river twice. People do it to reduce the amount of variance (meaning if someone sucks out and you run it twice or more, the best hand can still win a percentage of the pot). It's also done to keep the game friendly, give bad hands a chance to split. For hands that are ahead, it's like taking insurance. For hands that are behind, it's like being given a second chance.
in cash games, the players can run the board as many times as they like as long as that number is mutually agreed upon. Sometimes they'll run it as many as 4 times with each run being worth the same proportion of the pot. So in this case since they're running it twice, each run is worth 50% of the pot. Usually this is done to protect bad beats for the hand in the lead and also give the hand that is behind more of a chance to hit.
In a heads up match, when one of the players goes all in and gets called the other player can give them the option of running the board twice. This means that they run the board normally and then they use the same deck to deal the board again. The benefit of running it twice is seeing more cards, increasing your chance to win. If one player wins both boards, he wins the pot. If the players each win one, they chop.
What bosoxnation said. He thought Daniel might've had AK and was already invested. Plus the commentators mentioned he might've been frustrated due to a lack of action and being forced to lay down some big hands earlier
In cash games, especially in high-stakes poker like the Big Game, it is common for players in an all-in heads-up match to "run the board" more than once. This means that the community cards will be dealt as many times as agreed upon by the two players, with each run being worth a proportional amount of the pot. If the cards are ran twice, each run is worth half, three time and each run is worth a third, etc. In this case, since Hachem went all-in and Daniel called, they agreed to run the cards twice. This gave both players more opportunity to win and prevent either of them from being wiped out by a single bad run.
Given the recent trend of Poker vid titles, I'm surprised this one didn't read: "Hatchem TT six-bets Negreanu AA, runs twice and nearly sucks him out both times (featuring an open-ended straight draw on the turn of the 2nd run) Negreanu relieved!!" Kudos to the uploader.
No, and she also did't put the cards from the first line back into the deck for the second go. That's why Negreanu asked for the 4th 10 to come in the first line. The dealer also burns cards before the second flop, turn and river btw.
2:18 Guy 1: "I don't know if he's hollywooding, or just trying to figure out how to get the rest of Joe's money..." Guy 2: "maybe those 2 are the same thing." Guy 1: [rolls eyes] [crickets chirping] To those who don't get it, the two options are mutually exclusive by definition (that is, they can't occur simultaneously). For those still lost (rare, I know), "hollywooding" means there's no real decision, but purely for "show." But thinking about how to maximize value is totally legitimate.
I am playing poker for quite long time , and I did some calculations , I would change poker rules of hold em no limit , to this one : If there is all in and call , and no card on the board , or if there is flop on the board , or even turn , and if they have stacks going on the river , nothing is changed. If they go all in or rest of the chips and no more betting can occur , run the remaining cards 4 times. Example : All in preflop , if the remaining cards in deck allows - run 3 times on board. If flop showed , run turn and river 4 more times. If the river is only to come , run the river 5 more times. This greatly reduces the odds of ( example this video ) Hatchem has 2 outs out of approximately 30-40 cards left in the deck. That's like 10% . And what happened ? He catched. Almost got straight aswell. To conclude , run SEPARATE FLOPS AND BOARD 3 TIMES RUN 4 TIMES TURN AND RIVER RUN 5 TIMES RIVER ONLY Before flaming , take a deck and run any desirable hand over hand in the described way , you'll see that hand that has 75% over 25% hand , you'll win 1 out of 3 - 98% of time.
the law of large numbers takes effect only when its repeated a lot of times. in this case the chance is only determined by what cards are left in the deck.
Daniel: "I've never been so excited, to get half my money with aces against tens" After cash-count, interviewer: "Daniel, have you ever been so happy to get half your money with aces?" ... Come on.
@QuickNick180 It's not just a blind bet. In most cash games it has to be at least double the big blind, possibly more (players usually all consent to the amount of the straddle). The important thing is that it gives you the option to raise if the big blind checks. Some games I've played in the UTG +1 was allowed to 'double straddle', +2 could triple straddle and so on. It can get quite out of hand....
In a cash game, if both players agree on it, they can decide to run it twice. It gives the player who is behind a better chance to not lose his money, and it's a safety bet for someone who is ahead to not get a bad beat. Some players don't like a single run for that amount of money
@mrkiky Not necessarily. The agreement is made once somebody goes all in and one (and only one) other person calls. Then the two players still in the hand can decide how many times they want to run the remaining streets, ie if the river is the only card left to come, then that is the only street that will be run more than once. I hope this explanation helps.
With straddle? And Hachem in late position? I don't think he does. Range is almost every hand and if Negranu doesn't hit then it would be a huge pot where he has no idea where he stands (although he is in position so MAYBE but I don't thinks so).
it is but since its their own money they can choose to do it if they want to (to try and avoid people just going out in minutes or w/e but both players have to agree to do it)
Yeah, I know what you're saying lol But doesn't it bug you a bit when the commentators always assume the person is going to win with pocket aces, kings EVEN pocket jacks!
Look up 'Law of large numbers'. The more times you repeat a process containing random events, the more likely it is that the average is close to the expected value. If there was just one run, there was a 20% chance that Daniel lost it all and a 80% chance that Daniel won it all. With two runs, there's only a 4% chance that Daniel lost it all, a 64% chance that Daniel wins it all, and a 32% chance of a tie. The expected value is the same, but it's more likely that the result is closer.
Biggest difference between amateurs and pros: pros take longer to bet with good hands than bad hands, while amateurs take longer to bet on bad hands than good hands.
@c4ssey, @synergie24. Youre allowed to run it more than once in cash games, if both players want to. Its purely down to whether the players want to, especially when theres alot of money in the pot. Saves getting binked on if youre the guy with the premium holding, and gives more chance to the underdog/one who is drawing.
Quite obviously we Galfond agreeing with the play after he puts 31k in. If it's good enough for Clay and Daniel and Joe, you can't really hate the play if you know the cards from start to finish
Its kind of funny because what seems like many moons ago when i first saw hachem play, My thoughts were he is a very solid player" , Then as the yrs go by I realize you just have to say boo at the table and he folds like nobodies business.He is one of those guy you never have to worry about getting creative on you and stepping out of line if he doesn't have the goods.
@solojuve1897 in an all in situation you can even agree to do it post flop, the agreed time is when the all in call happens. This happens on highstakes cash games, I dont think i have ever seen it anywhere else.
Except that Galfond absolutely murdered the nosebleeds online. Something Negreanu never did. . The "bad beats" you refered to most of the money went in after Negreanu was behind. They don't count as bad beats.
"i got aces im so happy to not go broke" lmao
mrw playing pokerstars
I actually miss this show. This was a good show, and throwing in the online player and giving him the profits off of 100k. Genius idea. That's what made this show great. Also the big name players.
You cant be all loosey goosey having a sandwich...
Shane De Giorgio that’s a reference to the Daniel Negreanu Masterclass
@@nath-wp7xp no. That's on Daniel's tombstone.
Daniel Negranu
1967-2020
He Was All Loosey Goosey.
Daniel couldnt strangle anyone
@@nath-wp7xp no shit sherlock!
WOOOOOOO
25 year old Seiver? he looks like 45
Money Bloody i like him
Money Bloody
hes a mixture of jonah hill and seth rogan with down syndrome
Money Bloody I died after reading this lmao
Hahahaha
@@Mike7124 true but hes a great player
In cash games, players have a lot of latitude to make up rules on the fly. When players go all-in, or when there are very large stakes, it's common to agree to run the hand more than once, to prevent a single bad beat from wiping somebody out.
Bad ass card mucking by big papa @ 0:59
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
like a baws
They had two runs because at 3:42 Hachem asked Negreanu if twice is good, meaning they're going to run it twice. When one player is all in, and theres 2 people in the pot, they can agree to run it x number of times, and split the pot x ways depending on the outcome
ok. but why would a player ask to run it twice? why would the person with the best odds, in this case daniel with the best pocket pair, allow for it?
so he doesn't get fucked over by a lucky card
david m Short answer: Reduces variance when you're playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Long Answer: Aces hold up against tens twice in a row .8 x .8 = .64, 64% of the time, so most of the time he'll still be winning both, but doesn't lose a huge amount of money to a lucky card here and there, because tens only win twice .2 x .2 = .04, 4% of the time. The other 32% of the time, they chop it, so it's better for aces to do this to reduce variance in the long run.
cedric woo Are you allowed to do this in every pokergame? Or are you not in a 'normal' Texas Hold'em game?
Stormrage ive never seen it at a table before in a casino, but ive also never asked
0:40 Daniel's face when he sees aces then tries to pretend he has something in his eye LOL
+Kirt Parmenter He actually has a blinking tic, you can notice it quite a bit when he plays. I have one as well and make that expression too :P
He does that all the time. He's always blinking like that when in hands
"there's backdoor everything here."
- S. Seiver
Steve M Seiver says that most nights, but not at the casino.
@@ArmyJames LOL
Joe Hachem has one of the better senses of humor in the poker world.
2:59 - the face of a man that knows that he made a good play.
Too nad he "lost"
if Hachem could just called the 3 bet he would of won a huge pot from Daniel...
sunnyboy8644 Yep.
robert lamotta But Daniel also knows this and therefore might be bluffing.
+sunnyboy8644 Yeah, next time he should read the future before raising
vivelajonny you're pretty dumb if you think that way......
sunnyboy8644 No, your dumb if you think Hachem can see the future
In cash games, players are given the option to "run it twice", meaning deal the flop, turn and river twice. People do it to reduce the amount of variance (meaning if someone sucks out and you run it twice or more, the best hand can still win a percentage of the pot). It's also done to keep the game friendly, give bad hands a chance to split.
For hands that are ahead, it's like taking insurance. For hands that are behind, it's like being given a second chance.
in cash games, the players can run the board as many times as they like as long as that number is mutually agreed upon. Sometimes they'll run it as many as 4 times with each run being worth the same proportion of the pot. So in this case since they're running it twice, each run is worth 50% of the pot. Usually this is done to protect bad beats for the hand in the lead and also give the hand that is behind more of a chance to hit.
In a heads up match, when one of the players goes all in and gets called the other player can give them the option of running the board twice. This means that they run the board normally and then they use the same deck to deal the board again. The benefit of running it twice is seeing more cards, increasing your chance to win. If one player wins both boards, he wins the pot. If the players each win one, they chop.
Does hachem really thinks that daniel will 5-bet with 99 or less? Wtf what a lucky ass.
What bosoxnation said. He thought Daniel might've had AK and was already invested. Plus the commentators mentioned he might've been frustrated due to a lack of action and being forced to lay down some big hands earlier
AK suited. Most overrated hand in poker.
@@rd-pd8xb Agreed.
In cash games, especially in high-stakes poker like the Big Game, it is common for players in an all-in heads-up match to "run the board" more than once. This means that the community cards will be dealt as many times as agreed upon by the two players, with each run being worth a proportional amount of the pot. If the cards are ran twice, each run is worth half, three time and each run is worth a third, etc. In this case, since Hachem went all-in and Daniel called, they agreed to run the cards twice. This gave both players more opportunity to win and prevent either of them from being wiped out by a single bad run.
LOL when the 9 came out. Daniel's reaction was priceless!
Given the recent trend of Poker vid titles, I'm surprised this one didn't read:
"Hatchem TT six-bets Negreanu AA, runs twice and nearly sucks him out both times (featuring an open-ended straight draw on the turn of the 2nd run) Negreanu relieved!!"
Kudos to the uploader.
Finally, someone who uploads a poker video without the result in the title
0:22 WTF?
+Galaxy Cop That crazy look.
+Galaxy Cop He's actually gay right?
+jestes7 Is he gay or just really weird?
+Galaxy Cop XDDD i laughed so hard
+Galaxy Cop 4:49 big mistake joe
Wow, Seiver looks terrible here.
he looks terrible everywhere
He looks like a lesbian version of Jonah Hill from Superbad.
LOOOOOL
Matt LeClerc
5:40 "this is intense" daniels reaction is like "oh just shut the fuck up"
This one hand pretty much sums up my cash game experience from both sides.
No, and she also did't put the cards from the first line back into the deck for the second go. That's why Negreanu asked for the 4th 10 to come in the first line.
The dealer also burns cards before the second flop, turn and river btw.
01:34 onwards: great commentary.
2:18
Guy 1: "I don't know if he's hollywooding, or just trying to figure out how to get the rest of Joe's money..."
Guy 2: "maybe those 2 are the same thing."
Guy 1: [rolls eyes] [crickets chirping]
To those who don't get it, the two options are mutually exclusive by definition (that is, they can't occur simultaneously). For those still lost (rare, I know), "hollywooding" means there's no real decision, but purely for "show." But thinking about how to maximize value is totally legitimate.
Christ almighty, it's like I'm sittin here playing cards with my brother's kids or somethin.
Thank you for your kindness, sir! You represent the internet.
I am playing poker for quite long time , and I did some calculations , I would change poker rules of hold em no limit , to this one :
If there is all in and call , and no card on the board , or if there is flop on the board , or even turn , and if they have stacks going on the river , nothing is changed. If they go all in or rest of the chips and no more betting can occur , run the remaining cards 4 times.
Example : All in preflop , if the remaining cards in deck allows - run 3 times on board.
If flop showed , run turn and river 4 more times.
If the river is only to come , run the river 5 more times. This greatly reduces the odds of ( example this video ) Hatchem has 2 outs out of approximately 30-40 cards left in the deck. That's like 10% . And what happened ? He catched. Almost got straight aswell. To conclude , run SEPARATE FLOPS AND BOARD 3 TIMES
RUN 4 TIMES TURN AND RIVER
RUN 5 TIMES RIVER ONLY
Before flaming , take a deck and run any desirable hand over hand in the described way , you'll see that hand that has 75% over 25% hand , you'll win 1 out of 3 - 98% of time.
Aleksandar Aca
If I said drop dead with your stupid fking game, would I hurt your feelings.
Got to love the sound of the chips clicking against eachother
Both great players to watch in this situation.
the law of large numbers takes effect only when its repeated a lot of times. in this case the chance is only determined by what cards are left in the deck.
That's why when I'm in Daniel's position with Aces I run it 3-4 times, not twice. Twice is always better for the underdog...
Daniel:
"I've never been so excited, to get half my money with aces against tens"
After cash-count, interviewer:
"Daniel, have you ever been so happy to get half your money with aces?"
... Come on.
@QuickNick180 It's not just a blind bet. In most cash games it has to be at least double the big blind, possibly more (players usually all consent to the amount of the straddle). The important thing is that it gives you the option to raise if the big blind checks. Some games I've played in the UTG +1 was allowed to 'double straddle', +2 could triple straddle and so on. It can get quite out of hand....
In a cash game, if both players agree on it, they can decide to run it twice. It gives the player who is behind a better chance to not lose his money, and it's a safety bet for someone who is ahead to not get a bad beat. Some players don't like a single run for that amount of money
@mrkiky Not necessarily. The agreement is made once somebody goes all in and one (and only one) other person calls. Then the two players still in the hand can decide how many times they want to run the remaining streets, ie if the river is the only card left to come, then that is the only street that will be run more than once. I hope this explanation helps.
No way negreanu does the same thing with AK- he calls the raise to 30k and sees a flop
rls725 yes
With straddle? And Hachem in late position? I don't think he does. Range is almost every hand and if Negranu doesn't hit then it would be a huge pot where he has no idea where he stands (although he is in position so MAYBE but I don't thinks so).
These commentators are good. Great analysis by poker tv standards.
“Maybe those two are the same thing”.
Haha, negative.
The best part is how Daniel looks at Phil Galfond after everything he says to make sure Lord Gandolf approves.
it is but since its their own money they can choose to do it if they want to (to try and avoid people just going out in minutes or w/e but both players have to agree to do it)
seiver is like a grown up version of Thurman Murmum
Phil Galfond's thinking, man these guys are bad...
How much do they get paid wearing Poker Star ads?
True. Didn't pay attention to the 'scoreboard' at the end there
"None of us has been all-in, Wow' That ended quickly....
the guy demanded to run it twice, and when he got the first one he was like "oh? we decided to run it twice? okay then"
if BOTH players agree, they can run it multiple times. In this case they ran it 2 times so that one run yields 50% of the pot for the winning player.
"Sure, Doyle's never played cards on his anniversary before..." XD
I never get why commentators think pocket aces are a guarantee win...so many times aces have been cracked. I play very aggressive with them.
arent you a genius lol
Yeah, I know what you're saying lol
But doesn't it bug you a bit when the commentators always assume the person is going to win with pocket aces, kings EVEN pocket jacks!
Look up 'Law of large numbers'. The more times you repeat a process containing random events, the more likely it is that the average is close to the expected value.
If there was just one run, there was a 20% chance that Daniel lost it all and a 80% chance that Daniel won it all. With two runs, there's only a 4% chance that Daniel lost it all, a 64% chance that Daniel wins it all, and a 32% chance of a tie. The expected value is the same, but it's more likely that the result is closer.
I like how Seiver is trying to chat with Joe and Daniel but they're just ignoring his comments. lol
daniel doesnt talk near enough in this hand...u can def tell he has no need to try and fish out info, hes got tha nizzles!
Had the same with AA vs 22, pretty sick.
what kind of names is hachem anyways ?
Morgaith my name is hachem ..i was joking
its an Arabic and most Hachems are gays
Hachem Weirdo
It's an arabic male name
It means to break something:)
Gotta hachem all !
@@MoEscooter Well good thing I fall in that small percentage of straight hachems
Daniel himself admitted he'd have played the exact same with AK, and in that situation it would be 50-50.
-AHMAD
Because in cash game, when they are all in preflop they can ask to run it twice or even more if they want and split the pot
yes they are really lookalikes in the rounders
"Maybe those two are the same thing" greatest comment
5:49 lolol "i have aces and i'm so glad i didn't go broke" i cracked up laughing
By accident, I read your top comment before watching the video. I expected Daniel to lose both hands... happy surprise at the end :)
Daniels facial expressions always crack me up lmao
Biggest difference between amateurs and pros:
pros take longer to bet with good hands than bad hands, while amateurs take longer to bet on bad hands than good hands.
It's called "running it twice", google it to know more
@c4ssey, @synergie24. Youre allowed to run it more than once in cash games, if both players want to. Its purely down to whether the players want to, especially when theres alot of money in the pot. Saves getting binked on if youre the guy with the premium holding, and gives more chance to the underdog/one who is drawing.
“I dont know if he was hollywooding”😂
Thank You for pointing that out. I needed a good laugh.
"I got aces, I'm so happy to not go broke"
lol, "I wanna strangle him and he did nothing wrong". Daniel says some pretty funny stuff sometimes
Negranu must have looked at Hachem's stack 4 or 5 times before raising Hachem all-in... A huge tell that Hachem missed.
My god, that many people had poor enough grammar to give this a thumbs up.
it makes them look so amateurish when they run it twice
how's that? It evens out the variance a bit, which is what every pro wants.
Amateurish playing for 100s of thousands of dollars? You're the amateur my friend
Quite obviously we Galfond agreeing with the play after he puts 31k in. If it's good enough for Clay and Daniel and Joe, you can't really hate the play if you know the cards from start to finish
called running it twice
Its kind of funny because what seems like many moons ago when i first saw hachem play, My thoughts were he is a very solid player" , Then as the yrs go by I realize you just have to say boo at the table and he folds like nobodies business.He is one of those guy you never have to worry about getting creative on you and stepping out of line if he doesn't have the goods.
haha daniel looks so happy with himself at 2:55
I feel so bad for Daniel, he runs so bad... Every time he gets his money in right he is lucky to get half back.
he's part of the gameplayers
which week and season is this big game what a lineup!!
I was pretty decent at it. But it's more about whether you are able to take bad beats.
A reraise when you have aces. What a dream. And then you see trips...
And finally a flash break - blondie interviewing the stars
lol the sarcasm in daniel's "he did nothing wrong". i bet in his mind is how does he call 60k with pocket 10s, what a box
Wearing headphones @ 5:39
5:50 "i got aces and i'm so happy i didn't go broke" lmao
That's not a loose cannon he's professional poker player who'd won millions online.
They.. play it twice. Two separate boards with the pot divided in two. So by Hachem winning the 1st and Daniel winning the 2nd they split everything.
that's why you don't re-raise with a middle pair
don't try to read these guys boys,if I ever play them I'd rather not even look at them.:-))
+JonBenait06 exactly,we might have chance this way
LOL, for a second when I first saw this I thought AEJones was the Loose Cannon.
Betting so much pre flop is so risky lol. Idk why they do it
@solojuve1897 in an all in situation you can even agree to do it post flop, the agreed time is when the all in call happens. This happens on highstakes cash games, I dont think i have ever seen it anywhere else.
the players, he asked is twice good once they turned over their cards and daniel agreed
Is running it twice a thing at casinos? I mean, can you always demand running it twice if the two players agree?
Rune K. Svendsen yeah in a cash game
At some casinos
Except that Galfond absolutely murdered the nosebleeds online. Something Negreanu never did. . The "bad beats" you refered to most of the money went in after Negreanu was behind. They don't count as bad beats.
Finally Daniel wins a hand on a tv show
5:23 reactions from both lmao im cracking up
Come on, Joe. You’ve got to fold that. You’ve just gotta know Daniel’s representing an over-pair.