They defined the Type 055s as a cruiser as it functions just like their Ticonderogas. The same logic applies to their Zumwalts, they called it a destroyer even tho it's bigger than any US cruiser.
This Ranking is so random. You compare a Anti-Submarine Frigate with a Anti-Air one, why is the Anti-Submarine Mogami Class at Rank 9 before the others? You cant even compare these Differend Types
well u do have answer to ur question in ur own words.. its comparison of FRIGATES only, not group of ships or navies of countries so specialized frigate is less veratile than all rounder if you talk about single type of ships.
@@Legarosss the title from Video is "ulimate RANKING" and he goes from rank 11 to rank 1 but a anti submarine frigate cant be a rank over a not anti submarine frigate. This should be obvious. Possible would be a ranking list with who is the best anti submarine Frigate. Btw there are also multi-purpose frigates which can fight against everything: submarine, airtargets, Ships, Landtargets which basically makes them Destroyers but many Nations still call them Frigates in thier Navy. What ever these multi-purpose frigates could fit in a ranking cause there u can compare which one has the best multi purpose.
@@jack-tack3097 well, some nations, like russia have multi purpose corvettes as well and a displacement of 22350 is perfectly frigate. They just managed to put in a lot of shit inside it. On the other hand, looking at displacement, some indian frigates are well in destroyer class having considerably weaker (even compared to top ones from this list) armaments. That might be due to how autonomous and india might prioritize this aspect over armament since each nation have own aims and doctrine. Yet again if we take just frigates in vacuum personally i dont see major issues with this list, multi purpose all-rounders are at the top as they should be, if you arent happy with mid-bot segment well that's up to discussion i guess, which one is more important ant-sub/anti-air or anti-ship if those are heavily specialized, i'd take all around approach anyway and put turbo good asw frigate with poor aa capabilites below so-so asw but with fair/average aa, etc
It's heavily armed compared to others, considering the supposed weapons it's gonna have to carry. (Supersonic anti ship/land attack missiles and subsonic cruise missiles)
In 2021, The Dutch frigate "de zeven provincieen" participated in the At Sea Demonstration during the exercise Formidable shield. A first was that the frigate with the new Smart-L radar is the only European naval ship that can detected a ballistic missile outside the atmosphere while simultaneously defending the airspace.
@@Ezekiel903 Produced by Thales Nederland, the successor company of Holland Signaalapparaten after Thales bought the last stakes owned by Phillips in 1992.
@@mac2626type 26???? 😆 😆 😆 what as shame for you to compare that junk of scrab metal to his highness the Admiral Gorshkov, only one Zircon will do the job that’s is when the type 26 has a chance is when there are more than the vls cell the Gorshkov can carry 😮that mean they most be more than 32
Some modern destroyers have same armament as cruisers, and some modern frigates have same armament as destroyers, so it's not so easy.. First response in this thread is pretty on spot, politics is sometimes as important as displacement and capability
@@ParikshitBhujbal Wrong. The classification of large surface combatants (LSC´s) as "frigates" is primarily to be determined by the ship´s endurance and independent action range: Long range ("blue water") vessels: "Frigates" (In example: Danish Iver Huitfeldt-class 6,700 tons, range: 17,000 km). Medium range (green water): "Cruisers"/"Destroyers" (US Ticonderoga-class cruiser 9,600 tons, range: 11,000 km, and: US Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, range: 8,100 km). Short range (coastal water) vessels regardless of size: "Corvettes"/"Littoral combat ships"/ (Finnish Pohjanmaa-class corvettes 4,300 tons, range: 6,500 km, and US Freedom-class littoral combat ships, range: 6,500 km). Please note that most LSC´s classified as "frigates" are in fact not true frigates at all, but should really be downgraded to mere "destroyers" due to their short range and low endurance equal to the rather obsolete and useless US Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.
@@daniellarge9784Sure, bro. Man, you NAFO-bots sure are proud about sinking an under-maintained, half-century old cruiser with a less than half-decade-old cruise missile.
It will be interesting to see where the Type 054B and the US FFG(X) will fall into this in the near future. IMO, the Mogami class is a bit better than its ranking. Awesome video, always love these rankings.
karlos muñoz rodriguez Tengo entendido que la F-110 es todavía un proyecto y no hay ninguna funcionando por ahora. Esperemos que no hayan retrasos enormes como le pasó al submarino S-80. Creo que la fragata operativa más moderna de la Armada española es la F-105. Creo.
@@odalrich no habra ningun problema el submarino creo qe solo unas 8 -9 naciones en el mundo los hacen y era hacerlo nuevo desde el principio estas ya tienen a sus hermanas las F*-100 hechas mas otra cantidad hecha para otros paises no habra problemas con ellas a no ser que el gobierno restrinja el dinero
type 054A is a 4000ton, while the rest are the 5500+ tons, some even as heavy as destroyers. However, the role they play is different as the 054A didnt need to be heavily armed, playing anti subs and support for the main combatant, type 052D and type 055 DDG. While to some countries, the frigates is main surface combatant and thus heavier and better armed.
Honestly the Type 054A is really the only frigate that plays the traditional role of a frigate via armament, tonnage, and especially price. Some of the frigates on the list are upwards to $800 million USD each, which China can nearly make a type 055 cruiser or almost two type 052D destroyers for the same price. I feel like a lot of nations are throwing money down the drain on these frigates when a little more cash can get them destroyers which are wayyyy more powerful all around
@Louis the T26 isn't even in service yet, and its wayyyyyy more expensive than the Type 054A for uncertain improvements in sub hunting. And if you mean the T23 frigate, the Type 054A has got all the same type of sonars as the T23 while having two more anti-sub weapons systems (4 systems total, including the Yu-8 anti-sub missile from VLS) versus only 2 for the T23. And nations upgrading to destroyers for a little extra cash makes sense from cost standpoint because destroyers are better multipurpose vessels than frigates due to more weaponry and more powerful radars. Those nations treat their frigates as multipurpose ships rather than sub hunters anyway, so why not get a destroyer instead?
@Jared Evans Weapons is a very minor part of what makes a ship good at ASW 😂. Both T23 and T26 are far quieter than 054. 054 is diesel making them very noisy vessels, CODLAG and CODLOG of T23 and T26 make them amongst the quietest and T26 the quietest ASW vessel out there. The primary ASW weapon of a ship is its helicopter. The 20km odd range of ASROC and presumably the Chinese equivalent is dwarfed by the 60km+ range of a heavyweight torpedo. This will be a bigger issue for 054A especially due to its diesel propulsion. Merlin is also the best ASW helicopter in the world. The radar on 054A is reverse engineered from Russia and is inferior to Artisan. As are the sonars on 054A. Multi purpose destroyers do not really exist. All multi purpose destroyers trade off ASW. Arleigh Burkes for example are very noisy. The closest would be 2 AAW FREMMs of the MN but they trade off AAW capability. The closest ship to see it is T26 Aussie variant but they are having lots of issues with the fact that if you add a large radar on a ship that’s not an AAW vessel, top weight is going to be an issue.
Gorshkov is good. Super gorshkov could be a destroyer. Russia should focus most on advanced corvettes around 350 feet long and focus on large vls units. Including forgoing a main gun and possibly a hangar to maximize missle units. Also should try and make it around 100 million dollars. Imagine a navy with several hundred modern missle corvettes on par with a small destroyer.
Bro 350 feet long and forgoing a main gun and Hanger for VLS? Like why? You are more limited because of the vls and have to use expensive missiles against everything that the small caliber weapons (up to 30mm) cant defeat. Also you limit your ASW capability because without the hanger you loose your best ASW weapon. And only 100 million Dollars is Impossible because vls are quit expensive and you need modern Equipment to make the most of it. And then we cant forget that missiles cost extra 😉
Main Gun is indespinsable you know if The ship want to dispose Naval hazard, or Naval mines. would you want to spend Missile ? so are some more "diplomatic" situation, like warning shoot.
The russian navy is building the ship you described, the Derzky class corvette, but it is considered by many russian experts to be a failure, being as expensive as a frigate, smaller and less seaworthy. LCS moment. What russia needs is multipurpose ships like the Steregushiy or Gremyashiy, while the missile platform role is carried out by smaller corvettes. Grigorovich is the ASW ship, while the Gorshkov is basically a small multipurpose destroyer acting as the flagship of small fleets and replacing the Sovremennys
You are wrong. Project 22350 is one of the few really well-developed concerts in the Russian Navy, which is amazing. Therefore, she should focus on building this particular ship and reducing the number of other types in favor of unification. A helipad and hangar are also extremely necessary, since ships are blind without AWACS, and Ka-31 type AWACS helicopters will give good situational awareness + anti-submarine helicopters are always needed
1. Admiral Gorhkov class - The numbers shown in the video are for the future versions of this ship. That particular version will enter service sometime in 2030. 2. Type 26 - Again another ship that will enter service in 2028. Even its weapons package isnt clear. Further at 8000 tons its a Destroyer, and should be ranked alongside other 8000 tons class ships when commissioned. 3.Alvaro de Bazan - A 20+ year old design, noway its in the Top 5. Was a great ship when commissioned and still among the better ones....should be in the Top 10...but Top 5? Nope...let alone Top 3. 4. Iver hutfield Class - Now thats a good ship, no complaints on its rank. 5. Nilgiri class - Another ship that will actually enter service in 2024, and not 2023. Great ship non the less, could be the best Frigate in the world when it enters service in 2024. So basically 3 of the Top 5 Frigates arent in service today... If i have to rank today as of 2023 , it would be 1. FREMM 2. Admiral Gorkshkov 3. Iver Hutfield 4. Ze Provicen Class 5. Sachen Class 6. Shivalik Class 7. Alvaro de Bazan Class 8.Fridtjof Nansen-class 9.Mogami Class 10. Admiral Grigorovich Class 11. Type54A
Las F100 Álvaro de Bazán, van a entrar en un proceso de modernización de media vida, el presupuesto es de 400 millones de euros por fragata, lo que indica el calado de los trabajos que se van a realizar, por otra parte ya se está construyendo la primera unidad de las F110, de unas 6.000 toneladas, y enfocadas a guerra antisubmarina.
You lie and desinform people in your anit-Russian histeria. God will punish your for fakes. Admiral Gorshkov class frigates with exactly those numbers already serve in Russian Navy. Two of them - Admiral Gorshkov and Admiral Kasatonov already serve in Russian Northern Fleet. This year another one will join Russian Navy - Admiral Golovko. In 2024 another two of them will be ready - Admiral Amelko and Admiral Chichagov. Entire program of building of those the most powerful frigates in the world will be finished in 2026. So, you just fantasize about weakness of Russia like Hitler.
Generally amongst modern ships, displacement is no longer necessarily the defining factor in ship class. It’s now becoming more to do with role (at least in western navies) with Frigates being ASW focused and Destroyers being more AA focused. But I agree the type 26 shouldn’t be here because of when it goes into service. Especially when the current type 23s are still very capable and probably deserving of a top 10 ranking.
It has a more powerful radar compared to those used on Australian/UK Type 26 frigates with the exception of SPY-7 on Canadian Type 26 and SMART-L radars on other frigates. It's like having SPY-1 on Burke class destroyers but with much more versatility. In terms of VLS cells and weaponry Australian/Canadian Type 26 and US Constellation are similar so they could be tied for the same spot. Also wondering why Germany's Sachsen class is last. 🤔
@@johnsilver9338 Sachsen class frigates will be over 20 years on their keels when either the Constellation or type 26 are seaworthy . That is the likely answer
@@johnsilver9338 don't worry, we will soon come back, i mean the Italian sub 212, Germany has developed it, the Italian changed a few parts, anyway, this are the best non nuclear subs. Our Government has cut every budget, from navy to army, but thanks to Russia now we will reinvest in our forces!
Your assessment of Type 054 A is off the mark. I suggest you make a compative datasheet of capabilities of all the frgates except range and spead (because those are immaterial during a stand off engagement). You will find that aesa radar and supersonic missiles combined with a serious ASW capability 054 A is head and shoulders above its more expensive competiters
Today's frigates have the size of destroyers. Meaning of frigates and destroyers don't matter anymore. Earlier these used to have specific role and lack other roles but today both of these types can do all roles. Today's frigates are multirole. So instead saying 8000 ship a frigate and another 7500 ton ship as destroyer, we can just say 'warships' otherwise will have to make clear distinction that a ship over 5000 ton is a destroyer.
After your last video I thought that the type 054B would be somewhere on top or at least mentioned. It is still in production but will probably be fielded before some other entries of this list (e.g. type 026, Nilgiri class). Why is type 054A listed but not 054B?
Probably because the type of VLS and missile load out has not been disclosed which out significantly affect the ranking. I also don't see how the type 54b would be ranked ahead of the type 26 UK frigate since it is on the same level as a type 54d destroyer.
I still find it funny just how variable ship class definitions are and have been historically. I mean, destroyers have gone from being like 500 ton escort ships to 9,700 ton capital ships.
@@nasosgr Constellation class is not an option any more due to the big delay in its construction. Even the US Navy will get their first one early 2030s!!!! So, realistically for Greece, it would be around 2032-33 at best!!! Thus....not an option any more.
Your channel is very underrated. I guess people can't cope with facts nowadays and don't watch videos that say something good (and true) about something Russian-made.
@@Jon.A.Scholt Eurasia Naval Insight: "Admiral Gorshkov has an excellent balance of anti-sub, air defense and offensive capabilities" how is he 'over-hyping' the ship? To me, over-hyping something is saying things like "The enemy will be shot down before they even knew the F-22 was there" "F-22 is invincible" y'know, stuff like that.
Looks like a pretty level playing field to me....They are all about the same standard...? So numerical advantage is the deciding factor in a naval battle?
054A is a small trawler with 42 completed vessels. For fishing efficiency, we also need 32 054B medium-sized trawlers (6200 tons). These fishing boats are toys, don't worry.
@@jamesfriesen191 there are more capable options out there for far less money. The US Constellation Class would cost us $1.5b ea, the FREMM frigate which the Const Class is based from, the Iver Huitfeld Class and Type 31 for around $500m ea (even the UK realized there isn't enough bang for the buck hence the Type 31), the Nilgiri Class would be around $800 mill, even a few Hobart Class ships would have been better, just a few examples
@@danlegris387if I recall correctly, the italian FREMM, Spanish F100 (the original hobart class) and dutch LCF have been considered besides the type 26. In the end the british won.
If you putting down type 26 on the list which won’t be in service until 2026 or later then why don’t you put 054B on the list? It’s going to service later this year
It's a reasonable question. We know far more about the Type 26 than the Type 054B, at least based on official information. The UK likes to show off what it will have, while China does not. So it is far easier to ascertain a ranking for the Type 26. Also, the Type 054B may well be launched this year, but it is unlikely to enter service this year - ships especially new ones need to be fitted out, moor-tested, and sea-trialled, etc.
Some of these ships are basicly destroyers. This difference between destroyer and frigate is slowly becoming similar to the distinction between battleships and battlecruisers of 1930-40s that is to say: very hard to tell. Great vedio! My favorite frigates are the Spanish and British ones. Spanish one has the first ever aigius system on a frigate while the british ones are really multi-purpua-budget destroyers.
Usually the difference is anti air capability, Destroyer should have AGEIS equivalent system that can cover a very large area, while frigate only had medium range air defence system. But there are many exceptions, the frigate from Spain in this video had AGEIS system, and it actually become the Hobart class destroyer for Australia, those are almost identical ships.
wait until Gorshkov-M comes out with 8000ton displacement and 100 VLS on board. All these 7000-8000 ton frigates have barely 40-50 VLS. and yes it will be still be called frigate. block 2 Gorshkov (not M) with the same 5000ton displacemnt will have 60 VLS (block 1 have 16 + 32 VLS)
May be posting this prematurely as I have not finished the vid. Germany has an awrsome Frigate it was just too big at first to be classified as a frigate.
Del mismo modo que se incluye a la futura fragata Inglesa en el listado y se la da el número 2, podrían incluir a la futura fragata Española, a ver que número la dan, creo que solo se debería incluir fragatas en servicio no futuras fragatas en servicio, eso no es jugar limpio
What other ship in the world currently uses hypersonic anti-ship missiles? And uses them in real combat operations. Admiral Gorshkov class made all the other ships hopelessly old.
Well the optimal doesn't have to but all that radar use would need to because if not they can't really do the job because the Plasma building around the missile interferes with the radar. This is also why the idea of plasma stealth was created.
@@kqckeforyou4433 Plasma stealth is highly debated as actually being a thing. Additionally, the Zircon has been tested and has taken out targets, so clearly it works and if Plasma stealth is a thing, it has been overcome.
@@Mercer1012 dude there more then just Radar for guidance. And for Zirkon we dont now anything. We dont know its guidance nor if its slow down to Supersonic speed in the terminal Phase for guidance or even the whole therminal Phase
Have to agree, the Admiral Gorshkov class is probably the most powerful frigate afloat! The Type 26 has great potential, but our 🇬🇧 government love defence cuts! Unfortunately the Type 26 may end up being barely any better than the the Type 23's!!!
The T26 is the Canadian Frigate example except with a more advanced sensor suite than the Brits or Aussies and more multi mission including space based continental ABM capability
Any ship above 6,000 tons should be classified as a destroyer, if we do, most of the ships in the video are destroyers. It is meaningless to compare apples with oranges. The British ship with a displacement of 8,00 tons and still calls it a frigate, who are they trying to fool?
how about any ship over 7000 tons? There are a lot of genuine frigates between 5000-7000 tons that are comparable. Above 7000 tons we enter a new league.
Spain is a peaceful country that will not build ships that have the name of destroying. The frigate sounds peaceful, that is why Spain will continue building frigates even if they are 14,000 tons.
the nilgiri class mainly only solved partially the problem with how the different radar systems from different countries interfered with each other and stuff.
Corvette: 1 Offensive capability (ASuW) - Frigate: 2 Offensive capabilities (ASW, ASuW) - Destroyer: 3 Offensive capabilities (AAW, ASuW, ASW/land attack [DDG] - Cruiser: 4 offensive capabilites (ASW, ASuW, AAW, land attack) This makes Arleigh Burke rather a light cruiser and most of those frigates in this video a destroyer (light)
Corvettes/Frigates/Destroyers/Cruisers are classified based on tonnage. Most modern warships are multi role. However , heavier they are , more they are packed with weapons
They have units that are 90% built though so we know what their final official specs are, it's just the speed in which the RN gets their ships operational that takes forever...
When you think back to WW2 the destroyers were only around 1500 tons compared to todays ships of 10,000 tons the weight of a cruiser, Belfast was only 10,400 ton.
Does the indian frigate come equiped with toilets? If not, do they just go anywhere on the ship they feel like, or do they hang their butts over the rail and just use the ocean as a toilet?
*Americans when the type 55 is called a destroyer instead of a cruiser 🤬
*Meanwhile the British having an 8000 ton 'frigate' 🙂
They defined the Type 055s as a cruiser as it functions just like their Ticonderogas.
The same logic applies to their Zumwalts, they called it a destroyer even tho it's bigger than any US cruiser.
@@raphaelgarcia6121maybe 😉
@@raphaelgarcia6121 for now its only a proposal from tkms
The RF ADMIRAL GORSHKOV FRIGATE is dangerous opponents and deadliest
@@raphaelgarcia6121 What frigate is that?
This Ranking is so random. You compare a Anti-Submarine Frigate with a Anti-Air one, why is the Anti-Submarine Mogami Class at Rank 9 before the others? You cant even compare these Differend Types
Because it is clickbait
I don't think this video is a ranking based on numbers but more so a list.
well u do have answer to ur question in ur own words.. its comparison of FRIGATES only, not group of ships or navies of countries so specialized frigate is less veratile than all rounder if you talk about single type of ships.
@@Legarosss the title from Video is "ulimate RANKING" and he goes from rank 11 to rank 1 but a anti submarine frigate cant be a rank over a not anti submarine frigate. This should be obvious. Possible would be a ranking list with who is the best anti submarine Frigate. Btw there are also multi-purpose frigates which can fight against everything: submarine, airtargets, Ships, Landtargets which basically makes them Destroyers but many Nations still call them Frigates in thier Navy. What ever these multi-purpose frigates could fit in a ranking cause there u can compare which one has the best multi purpose.
@@jack-tack3097 well, some nations, like russia have multi purpose corvettes as well and a displacement of 22350 is perfectly frigate. They just managed to put in a lot of shit inside it. On the other hand, looking at displacement, some indian frigates are well in destroyer class having considerably weaker (even compared to top ones from this list) armaments. That might be due to how autonomous and india might prioritize this aspect over armament since each nation have own aims and doctrine. Yet again if we take just frigates in vacuum personally i dont see major issues with this list, multi purpose all-rounders are at the top as they should be, if you arent happy with mid-bot segment well that's up to discussion i guess, which one is more important ant-sub/anti-air or anti-ship if those are heavily specialized, i'd take all around approach anyway and put turbo good asw frigate with poor aa capabilites below so-so asw but with fair/average aa, etc
I hear that the new French FDI is very interesting.
11:56 Álvaro de Bazan . Built in 2002 and nowadays still one of the Best.🇪🇸.
Nice... Another ranking video.
I'm a Brit, but how can the type 26 frigate be considered the 2nd best frigate in 2024, when it doesn't come into service until at the earliest 2026?
It's heavily armed compared to others, considering the supposed weapons it's gonna have to carry. (Supersonic anti ship/land attack missiles and subsonic cruise missiles)
@@player55redcrafter8doesnt change the fact its not even close to combat ready ot in service
In 2021, The Dutch frigate "de zeven provincieen" participated in the At Sea Demonstration during the exercise Formidable shield. A first was that the frigate with the new Smart-L radar is the only European naval ship that can detected a ballistic missile outside the atmosphere while simultaneously defending the airspace.
iam pretty sure its the only one radar that is capable to do so iam a radar technician
The Iver Huitfeldt has the same radar.
and you know were equipped this radar system? Thales, french-italian company!!
@@Ezekiel903 Produced by Thales Nederland, the successor company of Holland Signaalapparaten after Thales bought the last stakes owned by Phillips in 1992.
@@theseabee1173 spy6
admiral gorshkov class class is insane 😍😍😍😍
The type 26 City class will crush you’re rusty little Gorshkov dinky toys!
@@mac2626 Ok, we'll see in 5 years time. By then Russia will have probably nearly doubled the size of their A.G. fleet.
@@mac2626type 26???? 😆 😆 😆 what as shame for you to compare that junk of scrab metal to his highness the Admiral Gorshkov, only one Zircon will do the job that’s is when the type 26 has a chance is when there are more than the vls cell the Gorshkov can carry 😮that mean they most be more than 32
@@mac2626😂😂😂
Maybe you can do a video, explaining the differences between modern day corvettes, frigates, destroyers and cruisers? 😇
There's no universal standard, and it often comes down more to politics than semantics. Generally however it comes down to displacement and capability
Its basically the tonnage and therefore the associated capabilities
1 Corvettes = 1-2 tons
2 Frigates = 3-6
3 Destroyers = 6-9
4 Cruisers = 10+
Some modern destroyers have same armament as cruisers, and some modern frigates have same armament as destroyers, so it's not so easy..
First response in this thread is pretty on spot, politics is sometimes as important as displacement and capability
@@ParikshitBhujbal Wrong. The classification of large surface combatants (LSC´s) as "frigates" is primarily to be determined by the ship´s endurance and independent action range:
Long range ("blue water") vessels: "Frigates" (In example: Danish Iver Huitfeldt-class 6,700 tons, range: 17,000 km).
Medium range (green water): "Cruisers"/"Destroyers" (US Ticonderoga-class cruiser 9,600 tons, range: 11,000 km, and: US Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, range: 8,100 km).
Short range (coastal water) vessels regardless of size: "Corvettes"/"Littoral combat ships"/ (Finnish Pohjanmaa-class corvettes 4,300 tons, range: 6,500 km, and US Freedom-class littoral combat ships, range: 6,500 km).
Please note that most LSC´s classified as "frigates" are in fact not true frigates at all, but should really be downgraded to mere "destroyers" due to their short range and low endurance equal to the rather obsolete and useless US Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.
Admiral gorshkov with zircon is a beast
In theory. In practice probably as well maintained as the Moskva and about as effective.
@@daniellarge9784Sure, bro.
Man, you NAFO-bots sure are proud about sinking an under-maintained, half-century old cruiser with a less than half-decade-old cruise missile.
@@daniellarge9784 Do you always compare ships that are 40 years old?
Nop😂😂
This is fan boys can aspect the fact that the Gorshkov is a beast, even the us destroyer wouldn’t want to pick a fight with this bad boy
It will be interesting to see where the Type 054B and the US FFG(X) will fall into this in the near future. IMO, the Mogami class is a bit better than its ranking. Awesome video, always love these rankings.
Aren't those destroyers not frigates?
@@accountantthe3394 No, they’re both classified as frigates, they’re some on this list that are substantially heavier than both of them.
Mogami class lacks vertical launch cells though
@@IsraelMilitaryChannel It has the US Mk-41 VLS, 16 cells.
@@JD-dm1uj Yes only 16
Alvaro de Bazan ,,F-110,, magnificas e impresionantes
karlos muñoz rodriguez Tengo entendido que la F-110 es todavía un proyecto y no hay ninguna funcionando por ahora. Esperemos que no hayan retrasos enormes como le pasó al submarino S-80. Creo que la fragata operativa más moderna de la Armada española es la F-105. Creo.
@@odalrich no habra ningun problema el submarino creo qe solo unas 8 -9 naciones en el mundo los hacen y era hacerlo nuevo desde el principio estas ya tienen a sus hermanas las F*-100 hechas mas otra cantidad hecha para otros paises no habra problemas con ellas a no ser que el gobierno restrinja el dinero
@@odalrichestán ya en construcción.
@@200NESTOR ¿ Las F-110 están ya en construcción? Gracias, no lo sabía.
@@odalrich concretamente dos.
Russia's Black Sea fleet is best known for its world class capability for turning into stationary and permanent submarine observatory 🎉
Well you will find out that the US carrier group makes for an even bigger coral reef the moment US has any conflict with China in the South China sea.
@@the3rdEye2187You are a fool!! You have nothing to compare with a US carrier group.
@thoithoibanongthombam7654 Maybe lose like 2. But out of the 11...
Also, the difference is this.
US Navy vs. Chinese Navy.
And Russian Navy vs. ...
@@TheDanishGuy101United Snakes Navy VS 🖕🖕🖕 in red sea 😂😂😂
I struggle to classify warships with over 5000 tons displacement "frigates"
I agee
agreed, there are some liberties taken sometimes with these things.
it's pointless to draw a fine line here. take japan for example. 10k ton Atago class is called by ijn a frigate.
@@dravenvea2605 JMSDF called it as DDG, not frigate
Jo you guys see tkms proposal for the F-127 Frigate? Just 12.000 tons and 220m long like every other frigate ^^
I really like Gorshkov
Where is the French Naval FDI ?
It's not even build yet.
@@stingerrgb2754 Ofc it is, the first one is taking sea trials now
type 054A is a 4000ton, while the rest are the 5500+ tons, some even as heavy as destroyers. However, the role they play is different as the 054A didnt need to be heavily armed, playing anti subs and support for the main combatant, type 052D and type 055 DDG. While to some countries, the frigates is main surface combatant and thus heavier and better armed.
Honestly the Type 054A is really the only frigate that plays the traditional role of a frigate via armament, tonnage, and especially price. Some of the frigates on the list are upwards to $800 million USD each, which China can nearly make a type 055 cruiser or almost two type 052D destroyers for the same price. I feel like a lot of nations are throwing money down the drain on these frigates when a little more cash can get them destroyers which are wayyyy more powerful all around
Pakistan Navy Type 05AP frogates are better equipped in all domains either we talk about radars, supersonic missile, Air defense.
@@jaredevans8263 But 054A is also inferior to hunting subs than a T26.
Why 'upgrade' to a destroyer when they perform different roles?
@Louis the T26 isn't even in service yet, and its wayyyyyy more expensive than the Type 054A for uncertain improvements in sub hunting. And if you mean the T23 frigate, the Type 054A has got all the same type of sonars as the T23 while having two more anti-sub weapons systems (4 systems total, including the Yu-8 anti-sub missile from VLS) versus only 2 for the T23. And nations upgrading to destroyers for a little extra cash makes sense from cost standpoint because destroyers are better multipurpose vessels than frigates due to more weaponry and more powerful radars. Those nations treat their frigates as multipurpose ships rather than sub hunters anyway, so why not get a destroyer instead?
@Jared Evans
Weapons is a very minor part of what makes a ship good at ASW 😂.
Both T23 and T26 are far quieter than 054. 054 is diesel making them very noisy vessels, CODLAG and CODLOG of T23 and T26 make them amongst the quietest and T26 the quietest ASW vessel out there.
The primary ASW weapon of a ship is its helicopter. The 20km odd range of ASROC and presumably the Chinese equivalent is dwarfed by the 60km+ range of a heavyweight torpedo. This will be a bigger issue for 054A especially due to its diesel propulsion.
Merlin is also the best ASW helicopter in the world.
The radar on 054A is reverse engineered from Russia and is inferior to Artisan. As are the sonars on 054A.
Multi purpose destroyers do not really exist. All multi purpose destroyers trade off ASW. Arleigh Burkes for example are very noisy.
The closest would be 2 AAW FREMMs of the MN but they trade off AAW capability.
The closest ship to see it is T26 Aussie variant but they are having lots of issues with the fact that if you add a large radar on a ship that’s not an AAW vessel, top weight is going to be an issue.
Gorshkov is good. Super gorshkov could be a destroyer. Russia should focus most on advanced corvettes around 350 feet long and focus on large vls units. Including forgoing a main gun and possibly a hangar to maximize missle units. Also should try and make it around 100 million dollars. Imagine a navy with several hundred modern missle corvettes on par with a small destroyer.
Bro 350 feet long and forgoing a main gun and Hanger for VLS? Like why? You are more limited because of the vls and have to use expensive missiles against everything that the small caliber weapons (up to 30mm) cant defeat. Also you limit your ASW capability because without the hanger you loose your best ASW weapon. And only 100 million Dollars is Impossible because vls are quit expensive and you need modern Equipment to make the most of it. And then we cant forget that missiles cost extra 😉
Main Gun is indespinsable you know
if The ship want to dispose Naval hazard, or Naval mines. would you want to spend Missile ?
so are some more "diplomatic" situation, like warning shoot.
The russian navy is building the ship you described, the Derzky class corvette, but it is considered by many russian experts to be a failure, being as expensive as a frigate, smaller and less seaworthy. LCS moment. What russia needs is multipurpose ships like the Steregushiy or Gremyashiy, while the missile platform role is carried out by smaller corvettes. Grigorovich is the ASW ship, while the Gorshkov is basically a small multipurpose destroyer acting as the flagship of small fleets and replacing the Sovremennys
You are wrong. Project 22350 is one of the few really well-developed concerts in the Russian Navy, which is amazing. Therefore, she should focus on building this particular ship and reducing the number of other types in favor of unification. A helipad and hangar are also extremely necessary, since ships are blind without AWACS, and Ka-31 type AWACS helicopters will give good situational awareness + anti-submarine helicopters are always needed
@Sterilize poor indians,muslims smaller than 1164 project, lol
Actually the new n1 is type 054B. Packed to the brim with everything you can find on the 055, just smaller
the iver huitfeldt does definetly not have sm6 missiles, wish it had but where did you get that from
1. Admiral Gorhkov class - The numbers shown in the video are for the future versions of this ship. That particular version will enter service sometime in 2030.
2. Type 26 - Again another ship that will enter service in 2028. Even its weapons package isnt clear. Further at 8000 tons its a Destroyer, and should be ranked alongside other 8000 tons class ships when commissioned.
3.Alvaro de Bazan - A 20+ year old design, noway its in the Top 5. Was a great ship when commissioned and still among the better ones....should be in the Top 10...but Top 5? Nope...let alone Top 3.
4. Iver hutfield Class - Now thats a good ship, no complaints on its rank.
5. Nilgiri class - Another ship that will actually enter service in 2024, and not 2023. Great ship non the less, could be the best Frigate in the world when it enters service in 2024.
So basically 3 of the Top 5 Frigates arent in service today...
If i have to rank today as of 2023 , it would be
1. FREMM
2. Admiral Gorkshkov
3. Iver Hutfield
4. Ze Provicen Class
5. Sachen Class
6. Shivalik Class
7. Alvaro de Bazan Class
8.Fridtjof Nansen-class
9.Mogami Class
10. Admiral Grigorovich Class
11. Type54A
Makes sense
yeah, this video is total nonsense
Las F100 Álvaro de Bazán, van a entrar en un proceso de modernización de media vida, el presupuesto es de 400 millones de euros por fragata, lo que indica el calado de los trabajos que se van a realizar, por otra parte ya se está construyendo la primera unidad de las F110, de unas 6.000 toneladas, y enfocadas a guerra antisubmarina.
You lie and desinform people in your anit-Russian histeria. God will punish your for fakes. Admiral Gorshkov class frigates with exactly those numbers already serve in Russian Navy. Two of them - Admiral Gorshkov and Admiral Kasatonov already serve in Russian Northern Fleet. This year another one will join Russian Navy - Admiral Golovko. In 2024 another two of them will be ready - Admiral Amelko and Admiral Chichagov. Entire program of building of those the most powerful frigates in the world will be finished in 2026. So, you just fantasize about weakness of Russia like Hitler.
Generally amongst modern ships, displacement is no longer necessarily the defining factor in ship class. It’s now becoming more to do with role (at least in western navies) with Frigates being ASW focused and Destroyers being more AA focused. But I agree the type 26 shouldn’t be here because of when it goes into service. Especially when the current type 23s are still very capable and probably deserving of a top 10 ranking.
How about the Constellation class ? I think it is also a forrmidable class
It’s FREMM at #8
It has a more powerful radar compared to those used on Australian/UK Type 26 frigates with the exception of SPY-7 on Canadian Type 26 and SMART-L radars on other frigates. It's like having SPY-1 on Burke class destroyers but with much more versatility. In terms of VLS cells and weaponry Australian/Canadian Type 26 and US Constellation are similar so they could be tied for the same spot. Also wondering why Germany's Sachsen class is last. 🤔
@@johnsilver9338 Sachsen class frigates will be over 20 years on their keels when either the Constellation or type 26 are seaworthy . That is the likely answer
@@johnsilver9338 don't worry, we will soon come back, i mean the Italian sub 212, Germany has developed it, the Italian changed a few parts, anyway, this are the best non nuclear subs. Our Government has cut every budget, from navy to army, but thanks to Russia now we will reinvest in our forces!
It's a modified FREMM, It Is even built by Italian Fincantieri through It subsidiary Company Marinette Marine in Wisconsin
Your assessment of Type 054 A is off the mark. I suggest you make a compative datasheet of capabilities of all the frgates except range and spead (because those are immaterial during a stand off engagement). You will find that aesa radar and supersonic missiles combined with a serious ASW capability 054 A is head and shoulders above its more expensive competiters
Today's frigates have the size of destroyers. Meaning of frigates and destroyers don't matter anymore. Earlier these used to have specific role and lack other roles but today both of these types can do all roles. Today's frigates are multirole. So instead saying 8000 ship a frigate and another 7500 ton ship as destroyer, we can just say 'warships' otherwise will have to make clear distinction that a ship over 5000 ton is a destroyer.
After your last video I thought that the type 054B would be somewhere on top or at least mentioned. It is still in production but will probably be fielded before some other entries of this list (e.g. type 026, Nilgiri class). Why is type 054A listed but not 054B?
Probably because the type of VLS and missile load out has not been disclosed which out significantly affect the ranking. I also don't see how the type 54b would be ranked ahead of the type 26 UK frigate since it is on the same level as a type 54d destroyer.
@@cabasadefogo9533 it's the type 52D destroyer better still the 52DL destroyer. Stop dreaming type 26 would not get anywhere near the coast of China.
@@laohu5511 never heard of "freedom of navigation"?
@@cabasadefogo9533 2028? By the time it was completed China would have built more and better frigates than the type 26 lol
@@paulsteaven yeah, but UK has no capability to maintain a patrol that far away
I still find it funny just how variable ship class definitions are and have been historically. I mean, destroyers have gone from being like 500 ton escort ships to 9,700 ton capital ships.
Who gonna tell him about the type 055 at 13,000 tons💀
@@geyasu20 Still smaller than the South Korean destroyer.
Belharra, don't you think it is one of the best latest generation frigates? I think it is in the top 3.
θα στο πω στα αγγλικά.....Belharra is underpowered. Not enough firepower. Yes, it has the best radar system in the world, but that is not enough...
@@tommykar9320 Maybe you are right, I don't know many details, what do you think of the 7 constellations that we negotiate with the states?
@@nasosgr Constellation class is not an option any more due to the big delay in its construction. Even the US Navy will get their first one early 2030s!!!! So, realistically for Greece, it would be around 2032-33 at best!!! Thus....not an option any more.
Your channel is very underrated. I guess people can't cope with facts nowadays and don't watch videos that say something good (and true) about something Russian-made.
Perhaps some people can't cope that Russian made equipment is extremely overhyped
@@Jon.A.Scholt Eurasia Naval Insight: "Admiral Gorshkov has an excellent balance of anti-sub, air defense and offensive capabilities" how is he 'over-hyping' the ship? To me, over-hyping something is saying things like "The enemy will be shot down before they even knew the F-22 was there" "F-22 is invincible" y'know, stuff like that.
Looks like a pretty level playing field to me....They are all about the same standard...? So numerical advantage is the deciding factor in a naval battle?
Yeah, I would probably say so, although the Zircons and supersonic missiles will give the Russian and Indian ships an edge I think
More than numbers, it will be the quality of the ship's crews that will determine an outcome. Was so at Plataea in 479BC is so now.
Frigates taste like Destroyer. Imagine if Admiral Gorshkov bring 32 VLS Zircon 😱
Bro that would be a super beast mode
054A is a small trawler with 42 completed vessels. For fishing efficiency, we also need 32 054B medium-sized trawlers (6200 tons). These fishing boats are toys, don't worry.
Cry harder, mate. Crying is a brilliant coping mechanism.
Muy bueno tu documental, con una excelente informacion e imagenes. 👏👏👏👏👍
Canada has turned their version of the type 26 into a pretty patrol ship. $6 billion each, 24 vls cells, 8000+tons but it does have a gym.
an education beyond childish political spam might help you but I doubt it
@@alpearson9158 You sound like an Irving shareholder, so what exactly did I say that is wrong?
The CSC will be far more capable than any ship the RCN has ever operated.
@@jamesfriesen191 there are more capable options out there for far less money. The US Constellation Class would cost us $1.5b ea, the FREMM frigate which the Const Class is based from, the Iver Huitfeld Class and Type 31 for around $500m ea (even the UK realized there isn't enough bang for the buck hence the Type 31), the Nilgiri Class would be around $800 mill, even a few Hobart Class ships would have been better, just a few examples
@@danlegris387if I recall correctly, the italian FREMM, Spanish F100 (the original hobart class) and dutch LCF have been considered besides the type 26. In the end the british won.
Hey,we're are the French FDI frigates ??? 😯🤔😯
they are not really frigates....they are SUPER RADARS AT SEA....with little firepower.
@@tommykar9320BULLSHIT !
Very good video!!
If you putting down type 26 on the list which won’t be in service until 2026 or later then why don’t you put 054B on the list? It’s going to service later this year
It's a reasonable question. We know far more about the Type 26 than the Type 054B, at least based on official information. The UK likes to show off what it will have, while China does not. So it is far easier to ascertain a ranking for the Type 26. Also, the Type 054B may well be launched this year, but it is unlikely to enter service this year - ships especially new ones need to be fitted out, moor-tested, and sea-trialled, etc.
Good video, but you cannot include frigates that hasn´t been build. Doesn´t make sense. I am talking about frigate type 26 ok UK.
Some of these ships are basicly destroyers. This difference between destroyer and frigate is slowly becoming similar to the distinction between battleships and battlecruisers of 1930-40s that is to say: very hard to tell. Great vedio!
My favorite frigates are the Spanish and British ones. Spanish one has the first ever aigius system on a frigate while the british ones are really multi-purpua-budget destroyers.
Usually the difference is anti air capability, Destroyer should have AGEIS equivalent system that can cover a very large area, while frigate only had medium range air defence system. But there are many exceptions, the frigate from Spain in this video had AGEIS system, and it actually become the Hobart class destroyer for Australia, those are almost identical ships.
wait until Gorshkov-M comes out with 8000ton displacement and 100 VLS on board.
All these 7000-8000 ton frigates have barely 40-50 VLS. and yes it will be still be called frigate.
block 2 Gorshkov (not M) with the same 5000ton displacemnt will have 60 VLS (block 1 have 16 + 32 VLS)
For the brits it seems like they have to choose between new ships or food and energy in the near future.
Is it just more or are Royal Navy ships generally slow, like 26 knots compared to other ships having 30+ knots
Honestly, most of their equipment is slower than their counter parts, such as the Challenger.
They are often quite conservative with these estimates. I for one know some of the RN ships will go a fair bit faster than what is claimed.
May be posting this prematurely as I have not finished the vid. Germany has an awrsome Frigate it was just too big at first to be classified as a frigate.
It's also very lightly armed.
Comprehensive presentation .👍
The Admiral Gorshkov is very capable and can even stand up to most destroyers out there
I wish you would tell us how much each ship cost
Will be interesting for you to do corvettes for your next video
Realy I like this powerful frigate
It seems you forget to examine the Italian PPA class ….
8000噸護衛艦，有點大啊！可能055中國還是叫驅逐艦，以後要去更遠的地方，就會有真正的巡洋艦（20000噸？）
What about the 054B you included the type 26
Yes please do Destroyer rankings next!
He already did ruclips.net/video/yx9khsGWUM8/видео.html
Well we all know 055 is gonna be no 1
It would have been nice to put the approximate price tag of each ship.
Del mismo modo que se incluye a la futura fragata Inglesa en el listado y se la da el número 2, podrían incluir a la futura fragata Española, a ver que número la dan, creo que solo se debería incluir fragatas en servicio no futuras fragatas en servicio, eso no es jugar limpio
What other ship in the world currently uses hypersonic anti-ship missiles? And uses them in real combat operations. Admiral Gorshkov class made all the other ships hopelessly old.
A quick question: Do the hypersonic missiles enter supersonic mode in their terminal phase? Or they don't have to slow down before the impact?
Well the optimal doesn't have to but all that radar use would need to because if not they can't really do the job because the Plasma building around the missile interferes with the radar. This is also why the idea of plasma stealth was created.
@@kqckeforyou4433 Plasma stealth is highly debated as actually being a thing. Additionally, the Zircon has been tested and has taken out targets, so clearly it works and if Plasma stealth is a thing, it has been overcome.
@@Mercer1012 dude there more then just Radar for guidance. And for Zirkon we dont now anything. We dont know its guidance nor if its slow down to Supersonic speed in the terminal Phase for guidance or even the whole therminal Phase
@@Mercer1012 plasma still interferes with electromagnetic Radiation which includes radio waves and in the end interferes with the radar
@@Mercer1012 also that plasma interferes with radio wave is not called plasma Stealth but a normal property of it
So littoral combat ship (LCS) and corvettes are next?
Could do - aircraft carriers first though, possibly
That Spanish Frigate looks huge
The type 26 City class are no doubt going to be excellent warships, but at 8,000+ tons full load, they are destroyers in all but name.
istanbul class is missing???
TWO 054B already joined PLA Navy, much stronger than type 26
Wow.JMSDFs 1st built frigate now belong to top 11 frigates in the world
sir, please talk about ASROC missiles belonging to the USA Navy.... what are the advantages and how are they applied... thank you, sir 🙏❤️
Asroc were withdrawn from service in the 90's
or Otomat MK2
Gorshnkov ... Really i love it 😍
the Italian Fremm is the best
Why the 054A and not the latest 054B ?.
Because 054b has not been launched yet. 054b is not urgently needed for China, as it has some positioning conflicts with the destroyer 052 series
Where is the Class Istanbul?
Where is the Bellhara frigate?
Have to agree, the Admiral Gorshkov class is probably the most powerful frigate afloat! The Type 26 has great potential, but our 🇬🇧 government love defence cuts! Unfortunately the Type 26 may end up being barely any better than the the Type 23's!!!
Dude , your ships are very good only problem is long construction time ( like our Nilgiri class )
I’m surprised the Canadians dont have a frigate on this list. Oh, I forgot, the ships are not seaworthy anymore and tied up at dock. Sorry, my bad
The T26 is the Canadian Frigate example except with a more advanced sensor suite than the Brits or Aussies and more multi mission including space based continental ABM capability
@@scottmccambley764 Not before 2030 and at what cost 5.6 BUSD .... Just crazy
Freget merah putih buatan Indonesia segera meluncur.. freget tercanggih di Asia tenggara buatan asli Indonesia
Any ship above 6,000 tons should be classified as a destroyer, if we do, most of the ships in the video are destroyers. It is meaningless to compare apples with oranges. The British ship with a displacement of 8,00 tons and still calls it a frigate, who are they trying to fool?
how about any ship over 7000 tons? There are a lot of genuine frigates between 5000-7000 tons that are comparable. Above 7000 tons we enter a new league.
Spain is a peaceful country that will not build ships that have the name of destroying.
The frigate sounds peaceful, that is why Spain will continue building frigates even if they are 14,000 tons.
What about the Baden-Württenberg-Class?
I don't have a high opinion of it
the nilgiri class mainly only solved partially the problem with how the different radar systems from different countries interfered with each other and stuff.
omg shut it bat soup!
I believe Canada is also getting the Type 26
You miss Spanish F-110 2925. Probably the best
Where is the French Naval FDI ?
Corvette: 1 Offensive capability (ASuW) - Frigate: 2 Offensive capabilities (ASW, ASuW) - Destroyer: 3 Offensive capabilities (AAW, ASuW, ASW/land attack [DDG] - Cruiser: 4 offensive capabilites (ASW, ASuW, AAW, land attack)
This makes Arleigh Burke rather a light cruiser and most of those frigates in this video a destroyer (light)
Corvettes/Frigates/Destroyers/Cruisers are classified based on tonnage. Most modern warships are multi role. However , heavier they are , more they are packed with weapons
Where are the chinese type 054b ? They are deserve to be in 3rd or the 2nd place i think.
Con este ranking,se repite el sesgo de los británicos en las Malvinas con respecto a sus destructores hundidos.
This is a list of 11 Frigate classes, any claims to them being the 11 best in the world or ranked 1-11 is purely the opinion of one person.
It's an opinion that considers facts about the ships; such as AD capability, ASW capability, anti-ship capability, land-attack capability etc. etc.
Since the Chinese vessel has been made during the highest levels of graft how can you rate it at all. I fear for the sailors.
They need be able to move beteen the Blabk sae and the North sea vis the Volga Canal system.
Shouldn't Type 26 be exlcuded from the list? After all it won't enter service until at least 2028, that's a remote future.
It is already being built so it shouldn't be disqualified for *that*, but it should be disqualified for the fact that it isn't a real frigate.
They have units that are 90% built though so we know what their final official specs are, it's just the speed in which the RN gets their ships operational that takes forever...
@@903IDFOLEY With their current economic trajectory it may be obsolete at completion
もがみ型には機雷戦能力があり、各艦は掃海艦隊に所属しています。
When you think back to WW2 the destroyers were only around 1500 tons compared to todays ships of 10,000 tons the weight of a cruiser, Belfast was only 10,400 ton.
Where is the Baden-Wüttemberg class is on number one
she lack of CIWS gun
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I think you forgot the BELHARRA fregate of France!!
Belharra?
Bom vídeo.
İ-class?
Waiting for 17a Bravo class frigates
Paolo de revel ??
Missing the Constellation Class
why put a ship which will come in 2029-2030 in this countdown??
The Chinese Frigates are built with Australian iron ore😅.
How can they make warship comparisons, or does somebody have all the true information about these ships and their capabilities, of course they don’t .
Where is the BRP Jose Rizal?
You forgot Belhara dude....
Where is the tcg istanbul?? Turkish
patato floading in the water
Does the indian frigate come equiped with toilets? If not, do they just go anywhere on the ship they feel like, or do they hang their butts over the rail and just use the ocean as a toilet?
your ambition is to work on an Indian Naval Ship Toilet? Wow ok.
No they are equipped with your Momma's wet pussy 🤣😂
These ships are not frigates, they are destroyers.
Constellation class should be number 1
yeah...in 2030