They should be inspecting the pilot's panic responses to emergencies, and the Korean culture and language during communication. Nothing wrong the the plane, just the pilot's culture and cockpit language (probably Hangul and not English), and the Korean "seniority culture" that stifles subordinates from calling out mistakes from older people.
I think Airbus they need to start using CFM Leap testing or if they still have ownership of IAE maybe it’s time to make a new IAE engine type for aircraft
There are so many things that do not add up about this incident. Hopefully they will all be got to the bottom of but why you have a solid structure anywhere near a runway is mind blowing even a fool would not plan such a thing!
@@Matthew7Smith That means the hydraulics were working. Did they simply forget to put down the landing gear AND forget to deploy the flaps? That's a lot of forgetting of common things to do in a landing. Must be something else going on.
All airports have walls to protect cars and homes outside the runways. That wall has been there for years and was never an issue! The fault lies in the pilot’s decision to go around, land with the flaps up and wheels up causing the plane to land too fast which lead to it hitting the wall.
They really need to analyze the cockpit resource management (CRM) procedures at the airline. CRM issues caused several China Airlines and Korean Air accidents decades ago.
Inspect for what? Maybe regulations or SOP of the airlines but the plane was sound. Also, right engine took the bird strike, but if the engine isn't running, there's no thrust to be reversed. It's my belief the pilots panicked, leading to this or adding to this tragedy.
Inspecting the Korean 737s is a step to take but doesn't really answer some fundamental questions Landing gears can deploy through gravity if hydraulics have been lost, why not here? Thrust reverser(s) were active, so hydraulics were completely lost. So why activate thrust reversers but no landing configuration? What caused a go around to land in the opposite direction? (initial weather reports say clear weather with winds at only 3 knots) What caused the decision to land so quickly? (Seeming without going through emergency checklists)
I think this will be pilot error! Didn’t inform tower. Didn’t land on runway tower told them. Had at least one engine running. Could of gone around after missing 2/3 of runway 🤷♂️
Not so fast. Pilot Blog channel analyzes the accident in details. He says that they lost BOTH engines due to bird strike, or left engine accidentally turned off. APU doesn't start because it needs more than 3 minutes. No engines, no electric power, no hydraulic pumps, no flaps, no spoilers, no landing gear. Just elevator and rudder as they are cable controlled. The second video (where aircraft moves from right to left) clearly shows that they did try to land earlier, but aircraft stayed afloat due to ground effect.
@wilburfinnigan2142 Maybe!!! It is too early to say!!! Btw you are lying. Juan Browne doesn't say anything certain. He is saying we need to wait for the black boxes to decide.
i'm curious to see what happened, what prevented the gear coming down, i'm no pilot but all planes come with a secondary device to bring the gear down using gravity, and what about the thing they hit, had it not been there, the plane may well have come to a stop with fewer or zero deaths
No gear no flaps no air foils when they had the first landing and a fast speed and landed past the landing zone there is no need to check anything plus a concrete wall at the end of the runway please
Why was the gear not released? It can be done manually on a 737! While I am sure there is a natural response to check the aircraft, but I think the crew and their response to the emergency need looking at.
I know the investigation in this crash is just getting started and its probably too soon to be speculating, but based in information and interviews from experienced pilots, it looks like they would have been okay if that wall wasn't there or if the wall would have be created by a concreate designed to break away once hit by a plane. So, based on early conversations the airport designs and materials used to make these structures need to be reformed.
A quite worrying closing chapter for commercial aviation at the end of 2024, with several high profile incidents. That's hopefully not an indicator of things to come.
It seems more and more likely that it's a human error. Not a Boeing issue. I due think Boeing needs to improve nut this plane was sold 20 years ago. Also there is another Jeju flight that had issues with the landing gear yesterday.
It doesn't matter when a plane is sold or not. If it goes down due to a manufacturing or design failure, it's up to the manufacturer to issue a fix. Or to take a plane type out of service if it can't be fixed or at least a work around can't be developed. But this incident is inconclusive anyways. We will have to wait for further details in order to understand what really happened.
@@jantjarks7946 I am following a 737 pilot and from what I understand the issue is not with the design of the 737. I love Airbus but I also fly 2 times a month with 737 :).
It doesn't matter what we think, what matters will be the final report. And to be clear, Boeing did everything to be in the media headlines for all the wrong reasons. As such they can hardly complain about it in the first place.
All aircraft experience some kind of technical issue, and are happening all around the world daily. In this case, it appears to be a landing gear issue, and they were doing a belly landing. An, excellent one too. Sadly, they also had them land on a runway with a berm or wall at the end? That's amazingly irresponsible on the part of the control tower, or airport. Had there been no obstructions, they'd most likely would have survived.
You don't know the circumstances that led to them landing in that condition and it might have been they had no choice but to land on that runway. ATC may not have know they planned to do a belly landing....heck the pilots may not have known either.
@@tomstravels520 Highly unlikely they didn't know the condition of the aircraft, ATC or pilots, based on how the pilots landed on the belly, as well as, the plane being captured so perfectly as it had landed.
@@brkitdwn it was captured because a restaurant owner heard bangs as the plane hit a bird and recorded it landing. That means nothing as to how much the pilots knew. Remember PIA 8303? They had no idea the gear was not down despite multiple alarms and alerts
@@tomstravels520 We'll find out more by those doing the investigation. However, based on your comments, it's obvious you are too dense to figure it out on your own, based on how they landed the plane.
@@brkitdwn I’m dense? You’re the one blaming ATC for them hitting a wall. If I pilot declares an emergency they get to decide which runway they land on unless it’s physically blocked. Especially if they’re already at one end of it.
The fact that they had concerns Abt the wall earlier but nothing done until this fatal incident . It's just all Abt politics and total bs! My heart goes to the loved ones of those that perished ...❤...what a way to end the year of 2024 from the first incident on Jan 2 with the JAL a350 hitting the coast guard aircraft on the runway! Also as one aviation specialist did say in the last two days .. LCC is something he does not like to fly on because of the lack of training etc compared to legendary airlines...just saying ...I don't want to wish folks a happy new year but my wish is for everyone's safety in a world full of geopolitical issues ...what strikes me most is that with technology we actually become stupid instead and so my other wish is for kindness and ✌️
You neglected to mention that airliners have belly landed safely on many occasions. It is important to ask the question, why wasn’t the runway foamed before the landing and why did the controllers have them land on the runway in the direction of the concrete barrier that caused the explosion? Especially when you note that the other end of the runway had a safe zone with the material to stop a runway excursion. This feels more like a failure of air traffic control and airport runway safety. Why were there now fire vehicles spreading foam first. Your commentary makes it feel like any belly landing will end in a fiery crash . . . and this is just not the case.
Wondering, whether it would had been possible for belly landing in the sea water just like Captain Sully. Moreover that airport lies adjacent to a gulf like bay, at least the disaster wouldn't happened to this extent and could've saved many people's lives.
No flaps, no slats, no wheels? Sounds very strange. A concrete barrier at the end of the runway? Perhaps protecting a road? One engine still running? For my money this sounds like multiple failures of the aeroplane rather than pilot error but let's see what the official investigation reveals.
Aren't there reports of another JeJu Air 737 suffering a hydraulic problem, then add in the KLM 737 hydraulic failure in Norway. Could this be pointing to another serious Boeing problem that's just emerging?
Inspections would not solve the probems. They were warned about mechanical and electrical failures emergenging from nowhere to cause catastrophies and they did not listen. Staying the course of wrong Comes with heavy Price.
And I'm sure they'll inspect every airport to see if there are any reinforced concrete walls at the end of runways... sure.
They should be inspecting the pilot's panic responses to emergencies, and the Korean culture and language during communication. Nothing wrong the the plane, just the pilot's culture and cockpit language (probably Hangul and not English), and the Korean "seniority culture" that stifles subordinates from calling out mistakes from older people.
The year can't end soon enough.
Sadly, the cabin crew member on the Swiss A220 engine failure, allowing smoke to enter the cabin has passed.
I think Airbus they need to start using CFM Leap testing or if they still have ownership of IAE maybe it’s time to make a new IAE engine type for aircraft
There are so many things that do not add up about this incident. Hopefully they will all be got to the bottom of but why you have a solid structure anywhere near a runway is mind blowing even a fool would not plan such a thing!
Happy New Year to you too!
Did they even deploy the flaps when the landed?
They retracted both the gear and flaps when they did the go around and they never extended either for the landing
@@Matthew7Smith That means the hydraulics were working. Did they simply forget to put down the landing gear AND forget to deploy the flaps? That's a lot of forgetting of common things to do in a landing. Must be something else going on.
The big question is why the barrier wall at the end of the runway in Muan Airport?
All airports have walls to protect cars and homes outside the runways. That wall has been there for years and was never an issue! The fault lies in the pilot’s decision to go around, land with the flaps up and wheels up causing the plane to land too fast which lead to it hitting the wall.
They really need to analyze the cockpit resource management (CRM) procedures at the airline. CRM issues caused several China Airlines and Korean Air accidents decades ago.
Happy new year Djs
Happy New Year thanks for updates
No Landing gear down, going too fast landing too far down the runway, no flaps extended.
Inspect for what? Maybe regulations or SOP of the airlines but the plane was sound. Also, right engine took the bird strike, but if the engine isn't running, there's no thrust to be reversed. It's my belief the pilots panicked, leading to this or adding to this tragedy.
2025 will hopefully be better for aviation
Inspecting the Korean 737s is a step to take but doesn't really answer some fundamental questions
Landing gears can deploy through gravity if hydraulics have been lost, why not here?
Thrust reverser(s) were active, so hydraulics were completely lost. So why activate thrust reversers but no landing configuration?
What caused a go around to land in the opposite direction? (initial weather reports say clear weather with winds at only 3 knots)
What caused the decision to land so quickly? (Seeming without going through emergency checklists)
I think this will be pilot error! Didn’t inform tower. Didn’t land on runway tower told them. Had at least one engine running. Could of gone around after missing 2/3 of runway 🤷♂️
Not so fast. Pilot Blog channel analyzes the accident in details. He says that they lost BOTH engines due to bird strike, or left engine accidentally turned off. APU doesn't start because it needs more than 3 minutes.
No engines, no electric power, no hydraulic pumps, no flaps, no spoilers, no landing gear. Just elevator and rudder as they are cable controlled.
The second video (where aircraft moves from right to left) clearly shows that they did try to land earlier, but aircraft stayed afloat due to ground effect.
@@user-yt198 Not what Juan Browne said !!!!! Pilot error !!!
Probably was pilot error but what I wanna know is why is there a solid structure in the shape of a wall at the end of the runway
@@user-yt198the right thrust reverser was working and even if there was a dual engine failure that cause your flaps or gear to be retracted
@wilburfinnigan2142 Maybe!!! It is too early to say!!!
Btw you are lying. Juan Browne doesn't say anything certain. He is saying we need to wait for the black boxes to decide.
i'm curious to see what happened, what prevented the gear coming down, i'm no pilot but all planes come with a secondary device to bring the gear down using gravity, and what about the thing they hit, had it not been there, the plane may well have come to a stop with fewer or zero deaths
Happy new year 2025 Djs
Thank you Dj!!
No gear no flaps no air foils when they had the first landing and a fast speed and landed past the landing zone there is no need to check anything plus a concrete wall at the end of the runway please
Yes, that’s all very strange that a pilot would attempt to land in that configuration unless they had no choice.
It’s all very strange
The wall did the damage
Why was the gear not released? It can be done manually on a 737! While I am sure there is a natural response to check the aircraft, but I think the crew and their response to the emergency need looking at.
You seem to think that they won't
What about the speed and the flaps. That’s more important than the landing gear.
Is there some report about the nature of the crash? What are they inspecting for?
reports take time bruh
@@neilkurzman4907 That's normal. Lives were lost. People are anxious to know. Family members as well.
It's not important, but it's been bothering me. Why do you pronounce Jeju like that?
To bother you
DJ butchers many pronunciations, and does not respond to valid criticism with improvements.
I know the investigation in this crash is just getting started and its probably too soon to be speculating, but based in information and interviews from experienced pilots, it looks like they would have been okay if that wall wasn't there or if the wall would have be created by a concreate designed to break away once hit by a plane. So, based on early conversations the airport designs and materials used to make these structures need to be reformed.
At that speed they would have needed a lot of run-off area. And in some locations that is simply not possible
A quite worrying closing chapter for commercial aviation at the end of 2024, with several high profile incidents.
That's hopefully not an indicator of things to come.
Well, that's not a good headline for Boeing... Despite the Airport building a damned concrete wall...
This crash was most likely caused by the pilots and stupid airport layout
Have they released the names of the pilots and crew ?
So many unanswered questions but still very early days into the cause.
Thoughts go out to the relatives and friend's of those who died.
How many incidents have happened this week
by my count 3,456 as of PM 12/31/24
It seems more and more likely that it's a human error. Not a Boeing issue. I due think Boeing needs to improve nut this plane was sold 20 years ago.
Also there is another Jeju flight that had issues with the landing gear yesterday.
It doesn't matter when a plane is sold or not. If it goes down due to a manufacturing or design failure, it's up to the manufacturer to issue a fix.
Or to take a plane type out of service if it can't be fixed or at least a work around can't be developed.
But this incident is inconclusive anyways. We will have to wait for further details in order to understand what really happened.
@@jantjarks7946 I am following a 737 pilot and from what I understand the issue is not with the design of the 737. I love Airbus but I also fly 2 times a month with 737 :).
And all of that might change with the conclusive report of this incident or not.
@@jantjarks7946 absolutely but I don't think is ok to always blame a design issue from Boeing.
It doesn't matter what we think, what matters will be the final report.
And to be clear, Boeing did everything to be in the media headlines for all the wrong reasons. As such they can hardly complain about it in the first place.
KOCA might want to perform an exorcism for starters.
Ex Ryan plane air Ireland this that crashed
Not one word yet of the incredibly poor performance of the pilots.
That’s still speculation at this point. Maybe the plane was crashing and that was the best they could do.
Or maybe they screwed up how come we tell?
737 Fleet grounded for inspection , called it yday
Only within JeJu airlines of course.
So many armchair aviation experts and their wild theories. It's amusing.
Tragic
All aircraft experience some kind of technical issue, and are happening all around the world daily. In this case, it appears to be a landing gear issue, and they were doing a belly landing. An, excellent one too. Sadly, they also had them land on a runway with a berm or wall at the end? That's amazingly irresponsible on the part of the control tower, or airport. Had there been no obstructions, they'd most likely would have survived.
You don't know the circumstances that led to them landing in that condition and it might have been they had no choice but to land on that runway. ATC may not have know they planned to do a belly landing....heck the pilots may not have known either.
@@tomstravels520 Highly unlikely they didn't know the condition of the aircraft, ATC or pilots, based on how the pilots landed on the belly, as well as, the plane being captured so perfectly as it had landed.
@@brkitdwn it was captured because a restaurant owner heard bangs as the plane hit a bird and recorded it landing. That means nothing as to how much the pilots knew. Remember PIA 8303? They had no idea the gear was not down despite multiple alarms and alerts
@@tomstravels520 We'll find out more by those doing the investigation. However, based on your comments, it's obvious you are too dense to figure it out on your own, based on how they landed the plane.
@@brkitdwn I’m dense? You’re the one blaming ATC for them hitting a wall. If I pilot declares an emergency they get to decide which runway they land on unless it’s physically blocked. Especially if they’re already at one end of it.
The fact that they had concerns Abt the wall earlier but nothing done until this fatal incident . It's just all Abt politics and total bs! My heart goes to the loved ones of those that perished ...❤...what a way to end the year of 2024 from the first incident on Jan 2 with the JAL a350 hitting the coast guard aircraft on the runway! Also as one aviation specialist did say in the last two days .. LCC is something he does not like to fly on because of the lack of training etc compared to legendary airlines...just saying ...I don't want to wish folks a happy new year but my wish is for everyone's safety in a world full of geopolitical issues ...what strikes me most is that with technology we actually become stupid instead and so my other wish is for kindness and ✌️
You neglected to mention that airliners have belly landed safely on many occasions. It is important to ask the question, why wasn’t the runway foamed before the landing and why did the controllers have them land on the runway in the direction of the concrete barrier that caused the explosion? Especially when you note that the other end of the runway had a safe zone with the material to stop a runway excursion. This feels more like a failure of air traffic control and airport runway safety. Why were there now fire vehicles spreading foam first. Your commentary makes it feel like any belly landing will end in a fiery crash . . . and this is just not the case.
Pilots fly the plane. They chose direction to land. ATC approved pilots decision.
Foam would actually have made it worse because the aircraft would have been even faster on impact.
Wondering, whether it would had been possible for belly landing in the sea water just like Captain Sully. Moreover that airport lies adjacent to a gulf like bay, at least the disaster wouldn't happened to this extent and could've saved many people's lives.
They could've landed the first time, this crash was pilot error
No flaps, no slats, no wheels? Sounds very strange. A concrete barrier at the end of the runway? Perhaps protecting a road? One engine still running? For my money this sounds like multiple failures of the aeroplane rather than pilot error but let's see what the official investigation reveals.
Aren't there reports of another JeJu Air 737 suffering a hydraulic problem, then add in the KLM 737 hydraulic failure in Norway. Could this be pointing to another serious Boeing problem that's just emerging?
This jet had landing gear issues for some time!
You read the log book?
All Boeing 737s worldwide need a throughly indepth inspection.
And the a320s just in case
No they don’t. There is nothing wrong with the aircraft. This was 100% pilot error. Good lord pull your head out of your rearend before commenting.
They need to replace all the 737 with Airbus A319, Embraer E175 and Bombardier CRJ 700.
@Perich29 oh really
Don't be blinded just cause this is a Boeing, this was pilot error
Inspections would not solve the probems. They were warned about mechanical and electrical failures emergenging from nowhere to cause catastrophies and they did not listen. Staying the course of wrong Comes with heavy Price.
Here we go again another 737
If it was a A320 I bet that comment would be different
@thetruthbehindplanes pointless comment
An a320 did this and crashed too, remember?