I knew Dave Meltzer was the ultimate glazer in the wrestling community when he introduced the concept of 6 Star Matches. The scale is only supposed to go up to 5, bro! 😂😂😭😭
Yeah I saw on that chart that Kenny Omega had a 7(!?!?!) star match? Wtf… “ohh but if it’s 4.5 then it’s pretty much the same as a 5” but then your out there giving 7 star matches… shit is dumb
I don't think people get what made The Rock vs Hogan so amazing at WM18 was the crowd...and not just in the arena. I watched WM 18 in a bar near Skydome and it was the entire bar into it...the entire city of TO was into it! It was simply put an amazing experience to be a part of! You felt it leaving the bar after the show was all done. Simply put it was magic and that is why it deserved 5 stars!
@@dreamshakejunya A hostile crowd? Dunno what you are seeing buddy but the fans were far from hostile...I was at Fan Axxess and the fans there were LOVING everything about it! Very, very far from hostile!
@@princemaverikyup twinkle toes Kenny thinks he’s some big super character and Dave just loves that Kenny feeds into his animes and all that shit he watches
What's the difference between 4.5 and 5. When there are matches getting 7 stars. Wrestlers and fans love the stars. It's like flair banging on about 60 minute matches. It's like a medal to wear.
Yup, this is the way, taking this shit so serious either by taking it as gospel or getting your panties in a bunch over it is so fuckin silly, the man himself has said over and over again that his ratings are nothing more than his personal opinion
@@livegazer478So is Jim Cornette but people aren't treating everything he says as Gospel, even though he actually worked in the industry for decades. (Disclaimer, I don't particularly like either of them, just making a point.)
That match with HBK is as good as anything ive ever seen. The pop on the angle slam from the top turnbuckle, or the sweet chin music after Angle berated him.
I agree with Seth Rollins too like Dave has been watching wrestling before most of us were even alive and he has a taste for certain style of wrestling its fine I just hate the IWC putting his ratings on a pedastal like its HIS opinion we all can have different opinions One man's opinion shouldn't effect your enjoyment in a match like form your own opinion
@@Desto_OP It's the same way for me too like I don't care about his ratings like it doesn't effect my enjoyment at all IWC always bringing up his ratings as facts is what pisses me off most of the time
Apparently, according to Dave Meltzer AEW had more 5 star matches in 4 years than WWE EVER and The Elite's random 10 man matches are better than any main event of Wrestlemania ever
The fact that the wrestlers agree to come on a scam artist scumbag is surreal to me. I used to have a lot of respect for guys like Roman Reigns, Triple H and Edge until they agreed come on Logans Podcast. Even worse that he still works for wwe.
Man gave Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels at wm 25 a 4.75 star rating 😭😭😭😭. That was argubly the greatest match in the history of pro wrestling. And who cannot give Triple H vs Undertaker HIAC match at WM 28 a 5 star man.
He didn't give it 5 because of the missed spot where taker dived and nobody caught him. Said he was legit worried about his health and it took him out of the match cause he legit could have died. Pretty reasonable tbh This shows the problem, he doesn't just post ratings he explains why he's given them most of the time in the review.. people just ignore that though
Its simple its just Dave's opinion and we know he is biased. I'll tell you this tho if Kurt Angle faced AJ Styles in the Tokyo Dome it would of been a 5 star match. Its so cringe and its even in the WWE 2K games now and it just sucks. Who cares about Stars
I completely agree too, I'm a huge fan of The Lucha Style which in turn sways me more too Aew, that doesn't mean I think wwe has bad matches but as a Mexican lucha will always be best for me.
@@carpio531 exactly for example chris brown still being judged even after 14 years for his personal life problems. Ppl just cant separate art from artist personal life nowdays.
@@thomas3146 i think its just natural for people to think that way. where i take issue is when i hear ignorant statements like "chris browns music sucks because he beats women" or "logan paul sucks at wrestling because he scams people"
Most important thing for real pro wrestling fans is the ring quality , great ring quality from men like Omega , Osperay , and Okada , are a way better than any man in WWE history , and still some people say the rating is dump , the dump is you belive that .
I think we cancelled Seth rollins that day when he praised WWE cuz 2019 imo was one of the worst years for WWE. Even though we got one of the best wrestlemania of all time, WM 35, everything went downhill after that, Seth feuds with Baron corbin lol, Brock wins the MITB briefcase for no reason, Kofi losing to Brock in a squash match just to promote the terrible cain velasquez match, Smackdown was basically the terrible rivalry between Baron vs Roman, the infamous DQ in a Hell in a cell match, And seth receiving the 2015- 2017 Roman treatment. So, seth(who was still the champ) praising WWE at that time was actually ironic. And the fact we all hated him back then cuz he was a literal troll on twitter as well
Exactly my view on meltzer. The dude is definitely worthy of respect, but people need to understand that opinions are opinions and people are obviously going to have their biases towards certain promotions
Meltzer is a joke, he gives these ratings to drive up controversy and stay relevant in a time when magazines are basically fossilised records of a bygone Era. If he doesn't think that Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle at Mania 21 isn't worth five stars? Then I have no reason to think that his opinion on any other match as valid.
Dave Meltzer doesn't think Kurt Angle can be match of the year. But Meltzer thinks 26 matches of ospreay(who I actually do like) just fucking flipping like a fish almost the entire match is 5 stars like godamn you mark.
I dont think dave himself and his ratings are necessarily the problem. Its the people treating it like its some definitive rating that trumps everyone else's opinion.
In 2017-18 when WWE product was going down i became a internet wrestling fan who used to find ways to bash WWE.. Then I used to watch Indie matches and check out their star ratings and actually thought they're right and at the same time I bashed WWE for bad matches... After a lot of negativity I had a thought why Shawn , Bret not have more than 10 five star matches... Why Seth , AJ, Daniel Bryan and Specially wrestling machines like Kurt have no five star matches. At that time I realised his five star ratings are personal and it really depends on the style of wrestling he likes. He like kickfest , flips whether the storytelling is good or not... I have started enjoying wrestling without thinking about Dave's opinion and we all should
There's nothing wrong with anyone giving a match ratings. People seem to blame Meltzer for the IWC taking his ratings super serious. It's not his fault that people prop up his opinions. He says all the time it's just his opinion, and that people shouldn't take it seriously.
Jim cornette has the perfect take on the whole Meltzer situation. That's one man with no skin in the game so he can say what's real and what a lot of current people in the wrestling business say and think to each other in private. Seth Rollins is only respectful cuz he's still a working wrestler, so he can't be 100% transparent.
I love how many continue to bug out over his star ratings, but still follow them 😂Meltzer and Hogan literally got every single wrestling mark around their finger.
You just got to enjoy wrestling the way you want to enjoy it, don't let one or two peoples opinion stop you from enjoying what you love, for example I think WWE in 2010 and 11 were great cus it's the year I started to watch Wrestling, and I'll enjoy it, just enjoy what you like is all
sharing your opinion about a match or giving it a rating isn't dumb, and wrestling isn't all subjective there are objective qualities that make matches great. it's more how people react and use those ratings from well known sources as fact instead of the opinion that it is which is dumb.
Honestly, I feel like Dave Meltzer's Rating was like The Source's Hip Hop Album Ranking via The Record Report back in the day. Sure, Meltzer's probably didn't have a lot of if any of the backstage controversy that The Source had, but the rankings were basically Gospel. You had rappers like Nas with his album Illmatic that got a 5/5 Stars, sure, he still would've blown up, but without that rating, he defs wouldn't have reached the heights he did. And that's what I think Meltzer's reviews has basically devolved into. Unless it's a 5 Star or higher match, it's not worth it's salt, when a ton of 4 Star or higher rated matches were probably some of the most memorable matches ever. It's just unfortunate that the rating system attached to a lot of these matches is biased towards the amount of super kicks or highspots a match has over how the storyline up to that blow off match was. Just my two-bits on the matter.
I respect Dave Meltzer for being as dedicated to wrestling and rating matches for as long as he has. My only issue is with his rating system and how he’s had matches go up to 7, it makes zero sense. I get that maybe there’s a match he sees as raising the bar for what he could expect, but that’s what the 5 star rating is for, just give it a 5 star. You can’t just go above that cause now all matches after that were five star matches are now all pushed down. Now all the five star matches are seen as not that great since I guess the scale is out of 7 stars and those matches are just 5/7 which is good maybe great but not perfect
I love the way that like... Simon Miller does the wrestling reviews. You give the good bits an Up and the bad bits a Down. Very simple. Did it make you feel good? Yes. Give it an up. Was it confusing and weird and ya didn't feel it? Down. I don't need all the extra bits and bobs from someone else telling me if something was good or bad. If I like it, it's good in my eyes. End of story.
Let's look at wrestling Match ratings like this, A Blockbuster big budget movie with 50-60% Ratings, on the other side a independent low budget movie with 90-100% Ratings watched by only few people's.
I just don’t like how people act like his rating is like “THE official rating” when they talk about it. That’s not even Dave’s fault. The amount of people that would kill for that influence is gigantic. It’s his fans/general wrestling fans, that are the issue.
People give their opinions all the time and we let it go. It only triggers people because Dave has a lot of reach and people will listen for whatever reason. Dave’s opinion has weight if you give it weight.
Honestly, to not care about his is one thing but folks who get offended or riled up is just dumb. He is one guy giving his opinion and quite clearly likes a certain style of wrestling more than another, kind of like most people.
People’s metrics of being a great wrestler is “he can do this high spot” K put him in the ring with a guy whose equally as green and have him just chain wrestle you a story. He’s gonna shit the bed, he isn’t a good wrestler he’s an entertainer.
For me undertaker vs shawn michaels wm26 is a 5 Star Classic But okada vs omega is so overrated and every ospreys match too Just i cant stand wrestling when is overbocked
I have an uncle who is not that much older than me who is also into pro wrestling and been watching it for a long long time And if you ask him what is his favourite match he would say Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg at WM 20 because he likes car crash style matches and he enjoyed it a lot It's a terrible match we all know it but it has a its fans
Can people stop making a big deal out of this star rating system? It's just a one man's opinion and if people don't like it...Make your own star rating system of wrestling matches, i don't know!
Rollins nailed it. Meltzers ratings are a joke, personally for me I only give 5 stars to matches that come across as believable conflicts and that never seems to apply to matches dave rates as such
i don’t get why some people place so much weight on dave’s opinion but also the people who keep constantly bringing up how it doesn’t matter like if it don’t matter why you gotta keep saying why it don’t matter
what i think ppl miss about Dave Meltzer ratings and why it seems to favor non WWE is as he explained himself. WWE you might love a match for the pomp and circumstance around it. But on a pure wrestling perspective. They just dont compare even close to Osprey / Omega etc.... type matches. they just dont. you might prefer WWE matches. But if your understanding the metric by which he grades. He is basically bypassing all the stuff around it. great entrance. great promos. etc......from that point of view his ratings make perfect sense. i think if you subscribe to the concept of WWE is sports entertainment vs Wrestling. then his ratings are perfectly logical. Lets be frank. as great as Rollins is. his best matches all times dont hold a cancel to any of the Kenny Omega vs Okada matches. I also really liked his comments on how WWE trains you to pop at specific times. When i heard that. it instantly clicked in my head to be true. here is one more thought. on the Cena talking about Rock vs Hogan. i think this ends the discussion. Meltzer 5 star matches are great with no volume. and would be great even if you had never heard of these wreslters and there wasnt a big WWE machine behind marketing x or y wrestler and making them huge stars.
it makes no sense why people pick and choose when to like someone and not invole their personal lives its legit weird ass fuck that so many people keep taking anything personal. what logan paul does outside the ring doesn’t matter if you like the in ring character. people legit pick and choose when to have morality and its stupid ass fuck
Lets talk about Kurt angle his match with Shawn was my favourite Wrestlemania match ever he didn't give that match 5 stars I was shocked since than I did not care about his ratings
I knew Dave Meltzer was the ultimate glazer in the wrestling community when he introduced the concept of 6 Star Matches. The scale is only supposed to go up to 5, bro! 😂😂😭😭
6? how about we add 7
Yeah I saw on that chart that Kenny Omega had a 7(!?!?!) star match? Wtf… “ohh but if it’s 4.5 then it’s pretty much the same as a 5” but then your out there giving 7 star matches… shit is dumb
No.
@@23jrzano.
That old weeaboo loves everything that comea from Japan wrestling 😅 cant even give 5 star to legenday matches from WWE
Twice in one day is crazy
LoL
That's what she said
Rookie num…..wait a min
I came 3 times today
Absolutely insane
I don't think people get what made The Rock vs Hogan so amazing at WM18 was the crowd...and not just in the arena. I watched WM 18 in a bar near Skydome and it was the entire bar into it...the entire city of TO was into it! It was simply put an amazing experience to be a part of! You felt it leaving the bar after the show was all done. Simply put it was magic and that is why it deserved 5 stars!
@@dreamshakejunya A hostile crowd? Dunno what you are seeing buddy but the fans were far from hostile...I was at Fan Axxess and the fans there were LOVING everything about it! Very, very far from hostile!
Nah trust me, I fully agree with you I rewatched it few months ago and that crowd was nuts… that’s what I felt with rock and cena at mania.
4.5 is basically a 5 star match but only Meltzers close friends are the ones that get the 5 star matches is what I got from that 😅
It would have been respectable if he just admitted that part of his rating is personal preference. No rating system is beyond bias
🤣 yup Kenny and the bucks get all the 5 start matches for flips and dives
@@princemaverikyup twinkle toes Kenny thinks he’s some big super character and Dave just loves that Kenny feeds into his animes and all that shit he watches
Meltzer never mentioned Kurt Angle in TNA where he almost exclusively only had 5 star matches.
What's the difference between 4.5 and 5. When there are matches getting 7 stars. Wrestlers and fans love the stars. It's like flair banging on about 60 minute matches. It's like a medal to wear.
Unlike most people I never took Dave's opinions seriously because to me he's just a guy who's sharing his honest opinions just like anyone else
Yup, this is the way, taking this shit so serious either by taking it as gospel or getting your panties in a bunch over it is so fuckin silly, the man himself has said over and over again that his ratings are nothing more than his personal opinion
yeah but a guy with a lot of knowledge whos sharing his honest opinions
@@livegazer478So is Jim Cornette but people aren't treating everything he says as Gospel, even though he actually worked in the industry for decades.
(Disclaimer, I don't particularly like either of them, just making a point.)
Kurt Angle v HBK WM21 and Angle v Undertake No way out are 10/5 star matches
His matches with Brock and Chris Benoit were great too.
That match with HBK is as good as anything ive ever seen. The pop on the angle slam from the top turnbuckle, or the sweet chin music after Angle berated him.
Dave Meltzer actually did admit he doesn’t like WWE in a clip I saw once. So like at that point there’s no point in arguing
I'm 100% sure he's on Tooney Khan's payroll at this point. He's a paid shill.
I agree with Seth Rollins too like Dave has been watching wrestling before most of us were even alive and he has a taste for certain style of wrestling its fine I just hate the IWC putting his ratings on a pedastal like its HIS opinion we all can have different opinions
One man's opinion shouldn't effect your enjoyment in a match like form your own opinion
That's why I never take them seriously it's just a guy giving his opinion on matches and his taste mostly sucks
@@Desto_OP It's the same way for me too like I don't care about his ratings like it doesn't effect my enjoyment at all
IWC always bringing up his ratings as facts is what pisses me off most of the time
Dave has pretty much said himself it's just his opinion.
The problem is that while you or I can give our opinion of the matches, Dave is the only guy making the money and fame off of it...sadly...
@@dreamshakejunyaIt is just his opinion. He doesn’t force anyone to care about it, he just shares it
Apparently, according to Dave Meltzer AEW had more 5 star matches in 4 years than WWE EVER and The Elite's random 10 man matches are better than any main event of Wrestlemania ever
Dave Meltzer is a big time jabroni I quit reading and listening to anything he says he's a joke
Goofy
Lol the fact that Will and a bunch of japanese wrestlers got more 5 stars than the whole history of WWE is hilarious😂, he is a clown
He aint wrong.
@@mikeberg6407Lmaoooooo ur a joke
i will only watch impaulsive when they have Wrestlers come on the podcast tbh
Yeah same i really dont have any other reason to watch it
Same here the wrestlers make the show more interesting than any other guests
I watch it for some rappers too but mostly wrestlers.
The fact that the wrestlers agree to come on a scam artist scumbag is surreal to me. I used to have a lot of respect for guys like Roman Reigns, Triple H and Edge until they agreed come on Logans Podcast. Even worse that he still works for wwe.
@@comet6740these people work for trash like Vince McMahon. Logan Paul probably isn’t even that bad to them.
"4.75 is the same as five"
How the hell did this man graduate past middle school?
Jon Moxley has more 5 star rated matches then HBK, Bret Hart, Undertaker, Kurt Angle, AJ Styles and Seth Rollins 😂
😂 it's ridiculous
And I presume most of his 5 star matches came after he left wwe in 2019
@@ninlegend943 all of them 😂
Angle doesnt even have a 5 star match. Hes the purest wrestler ever
@@mjl11 & HBK only has 2
Man gave Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels at wm 25 a 4.75 star rating 😭😭😭😭. That was argubly the greatest match in the history of pro wrestling. And who cannot give Triple H vs Undertaker HIAC match at WM 28 a 5 star man.
That man gave Eddie v Rey at Havoc 97 a 4.75- It’s the best cruiserweight match in history 💀💀
He didn't give it 5 because of the missed spot where taker dived and nobody caught him. Said he was legit worried about his health and it took him out of the match cause he legit could have died.
Pretty reasonable tbh
This shows the problem, he doesn't just post ratings he explains why he's given them most of the time in the review.. people just ignore that though
THE Edge!!!!!😂😂😂
Its simple its just Dave's opinion and we know he is biased. I'll tell you this tho if Kurt Angle faced AJ Styles in the Tokyo Dome it would of been a 5 star match.
Its so cringe and its even in the WWE 2K games now and it just sucks. Who cares about Stars
The stars in WWE tho are there for a reward at least
What's funny is that Kurt did wrestle in the Tokyo Dome in the 2000's and Dave still wouldn't give him the respect he deserves 🤣🤣🤣
6:08 Vince fetish in a nutshell :
The Divas Champion gives us a double upload!
Thank you so much ❤❤❤❤
I completely agree too, I'm a huge fan of The Lucha Style which in turn sways me more too Aew, that doesn't mean I think wwe has bad matches but as a Mexican lucha will always be best for me.
You can respect someone's in-ring work without liking the person behind the character.
Just look at Benoit...
same can be said about musical artists and their music
By that logic is guess R-Kelly too huh 🤣😂
@@carpio531 exactly for example chris brown still being judged even after 14 years for his personal life problems. Ppl just cant separate art from artist personal life nowdays.
@@thomas3146 i think its just natural for people to think that way. where i take issue is when i hear ignorant statements like "chris browns music sucks because he beats women" or "logan paul sucks at wrestling because he scams people"
@@LarryBrown-us8rg thats a perfect example
Most important thing for real pro wrestling fans is the ring quality , great ring quality from men like Omega , Osperay , and Okada , are a way better than any man in WWE history , and still some people say the rating is dump , the dump is you belive that .
I think we cancelled Seth rollins that day when he praised WWE cuz 2019 imo was one of the worst years for WWE. Even though we got one of the best wrestlemania of all time, WM 35, everything went downhill after that, Seth feuds with Baron corbin lol, Brock wins the MITB briefcase for no reason, Kofi losing to Brock in a squash match just to promote the terrible cain velasquez match, Smackdown was basically the terrible rivalry between Baron vs Roman, the infamous DQ in a Hell in a cell match, And seth receiving the 2015- 2017 Roman treatment. So, seth(who was still the champ) praising WWE at that time was actually ironic. And the fact we all hated him back then cuz he was a literal troll on twitter as well
WrestleMania 35 one of the best of all time? LMAO IT AIN'T EVEN BETTER THAN THE BEST OF THE DECADE WM 31, LET ALONE ALL TIMW
@@neerajn2397 Calm down Mark nobody insulted u nor your opinion lol
Was it Seth’s fault that HIAC 2019 was given a DQ? I don’t anybody gives a crap about WWE-AEW “rivalry” on Twitter nowadays
Exactly my view on meltzer. The dude is definitely worthy of respect, but people need to understand that opinions are opinions and people are obviously going to have their biases towards certain promotions
Meltzer is a joke, he gives these ratings to drive up controversy and stay relevant in a time when magazines are basically fossilised records of a bygone Era.
If he doesn't think that Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle at Mania 21 isn't worth five stars? Then I have no reason to think that his opinion on any other match as valid.
You’re a joke. Can’t imagine getting this upset over one man’s opinion
That's the thing right, it's subjective. It's his opinion. Some will take it seriously, some will not. It's all up to you.
That Chris Van Vleit Interview pretty much cemented that I don't care about Meltzers opinions or stars anymore
Dave Meltzer doesn't think Kurt Angle can be match of the year. But Meltzer thinks 26 matches of ospreay(who I actually do like) just fucking flipping like a fish almost the entire match is 5 stars like godamn you mark.
I dont think dave himself and his ratings are necessarily the problem. Its the people treating it like its some definitive rating that trumps everyone else's opinion.
Yea basically people treat it like the be all end all when it’s not. A good match can be subjective
In 2017-18 when WWE product was going down i became a internet wrestling fan who used to find ways to bash WWE..
Then I used to watch Indie matches and check out their star ratings and actually thought they're right and at the same time I bashed WWE for bad matches...
After a lot of negativity I had a thought why Shawn , Bret not have more than 10 five star matches...
Why Seth , AJ, Daniel Bryan and Specially wrestling machines like Kurt have no five star matches.
At that time I realised his five star ratings are personal and it really depends on the style of wrestling he likes.
He like kickfest , flips whether the storytelling is good or not...
I have started enjoying wrestling without thinking about Dave's opinion and we all should
If you wanna hear good wrestling voice listen to randy Orton playing black ops 3
There's nothing wrong with anyone giving a match ratings. People seem to blame Meltzer for the IWC taking his ratings super serious. It's not his fault that people prop up his opinions. He says all the time it's just his opinion, and that people shouldn't take it seriously.
"How many matches have pubes?"
Meltzer: He's got me there. Throw away the whole system, I'm starting over!
Jim cornette has the perfect take on the whole Meltzer situation. That's one man with no skin in the game so he can say what's real and what a lot of current people in the wrestling business say and think to each other in private. Seth Rollins is only respectful cuz he's still a working wrestler, so he can't be 100% transparent.
Bro over here mentioning Corny in a positive light. 🤡
One of the things I can agree with Jim Cornette on....
@@lonewolf7396 30 people agree with them and you're liking your own comment, go figure
@@NOname-bv2jy I didn't like my own comment. What are you talking about?
@@lonewolf7396Aww did JC trigger you 😂
I never understood how people care so much for such a subjective and untransparent match rating.
The Great One vs. Logan Paul at Survivor Series, book it
Dave is a Japan pro wrestling meat rider he’s bias with his ratings
Well njpw is a work rate company so it’s gonna have much better matche s
I love how many continue to bug out over his star ratings, but still follow them 😂Meltzer and Hogan literally got every single wrestling mark around their finger.
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Whatever You say ya mook😒
@@anthonylucero6650Cry more?
You just got to enjoy wrestling the way you want to enjoy it, don't let one or two peoples opinion stop you from enjoying what you love, for example I think WWE in 2010 and 11 were great cus it's the year I started to watch Wrestling, and I'll enjoy it, just enjoy what you like is all
sharing your opinion about a match or giving it a rating isn't dumb, and wrestling isn't all subjective there are objective qualities that make matches great. it's more how people react and use those ratings from well known sources as fact instead of the opinion that it is which is dumb.
Been watching the great one since I was 15 (2017) two upload in one day is up with a surprise royal rumble entry
Honestly, I feel like Dave Meltzer's Rating was like The Source's Hip Hop Album Ranking via The Record Report back in the day. Sure, Meltzer's probably didn't have a lot of if any of the backstage controversy that The Source had, but the rankings were basically Gospel. You had rappers like Nas with his album Illmatic that got a 5/5 Stars, sure, he still would've blown up, but without that rating, he defs wouldn't have reached the heights he did.
And that's what I think Meltzer's reviews has basically devolved into. Unless it's a 5 Star or higher match, it's not worth it's salt, when a ton of 4 Star or higher rated matches were probably some of the most memorable matches ever. It's just unfortunate that the rating system attached to a lot of these matches is biased towards the amount of super kicks or highspots a match has over how the storyline up to that blow off match was.
Just my two-bits on the matter.
I respect Dave Meltzer for being as dedicated to wrestling and rating matches for as long as he has. My only issue is with his rating system and how he’s had matches go up to 7, it makes zero sense.
I get that maybe there’s a match he sees as raising the bar for what he could expect, but that’s what the 5 star rating is for, just give it a 5 star. You can’t just go above that cause now all matches after that were five star matches are now all pushed down. Now all the five star matches are seen as not that great since I guess the scale is out of 7 stars and those matches are just 5/7 which is good maybe great but not perfect
I partly agree with Dave’s ratings triple h’s stile of nxt matches that were rated 5 stars are gone now and wwe matches look safe
I wonder if Logan doesn’t know who Kurt angle is, what other impactful stars does he have no idea about ?
Just because he says that doesn’t make that true one bit and Logan was a good wrestler In high school so he definitely knows who Kurt angle is
The only reason why I watch impaulsive is because of WWE wrestlers
LOGAN in WWE: 🫡
LOGAN in real life:💀
Real life heel lmao
@@sarjeshkhadgi2841He's the biggest heel in Japan
@@its_me_majeedIT WAS HIM BARRY
The only bad thing about him was his mistake in Japan
@@ulisesreyes6023 bro he is a f scammer
We got two vids in a day? Is TheGreatOne sick?
Aj styles , Roman reigns , Cody Rhodes , all have had some 5 star matches
I love the way that like... Simon Miller does the wrestling reviews. You give the good bits an Up and the bad bits a Down. Very simple. Did it make you feel good? Yes. Give it an up. Was it confusing and weird and ya didn't feel it? Down. I don't need all the extra bits and bobs from someone else telling me if something was good or bad. If I like it, it's good in my eyes. End of story.
The best way to rate a match
Thank you so much for two vids in the same day what did we do to deserve this
Let's look at wrestling Match ratings like this,
A Blockbuster big budget movie with 50-60% Ratings, on the other side a independent low budget movie with 90-100% Ratings watched by only few people's.
I just don’t like how people act like his rating is like “THE official rating” when they talk about it.
That’s not even Dave’s fault. The amount of people that would kill for that influence is gigantic.
It’s his fans/general wrestling fans, that are the issue.
TNA Kurt Angle was also on another level and he never received a 5 star Match. The dude was insane in TNA
People give their opinions all the time and we let it go. It only triggers people because Dave has a lot of reach and people will listen for whatever reason. Dave’s opinion has weight if you give it weight.
No it triggers people when others act like Dave's opinion is God
@@coolfrog3552 dumb people exist, that’s life. It’s easier to just not care and watch wrestling in peace.
@@infinite-sadness fair
Honestly, to not care about his is one thing but folks who get offended or riled up is just dumb.
He is one guy giving his opinion and quite clearly likes a certain style of wrestling more than another, kind of like most people.
I’m so glad I have somebody that agrees with me undertaker vs giant Gonzales is THE 5 star match
People’s metrics of being a great wrestler is “he can do this high spot” K put him in the ring with a guy whose equally as green and have him just chain wrestle you a story. He’s gonna shit the bed, he isn’t a good wrestler he’s an entertainer.
Someone should have crowed sigh saying
"Hey Paul how ur pet pig pearl" 😂
Chris Van Vliet actually kinda exposed Dave's spinless logic for ratings almost effortlessly in that interview.
Dude, I watched your videos when you were literally a kid and now a man, with 365k subscribers. Loved your growth. Keep up the good work!
My boys hair looking good
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I mean they both got a point. Braun Strowman vs Omos surprisingly got five stars 💀💀💀
You kidding or... 😂
@@Masia_210 I wish I was
I doubt Logan wouldn't know who Kurt Angle was bc he came from a Freestyle/Amateur Wrestling background.
"Dave Meltzer doesn't like WWE." No, WWE stopped trying after WCW went away. Now their product is forced and you can see the telegraphing.
Idk how Kurt Angle vs HBK at WM isnt a 5 Star Match
For me undertaker vs shawn michaels wm26 is a 5 Star Classic
But okada vs omega is so overrated and every ospreys match too
Just i cant stand wrestling when is overbocked
WM 25 is better but 26 is also close. Not giving WM 25 a 5 star match was an absolute robbery.
this is why MY GM mode in wwe 2k23 is very rare that you'll see 5 star matches LMAO
I have an uncle who is not that much older than me who is also into pro wrestling and been watching it for a long long time
And if you ask him what is his favourite match he would say Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg at WM 20 because he likes car crash style matches and he enjoyed it a lot
It's a terrible match we all know it but it has a its fans
Meltzer has obvious Japan bias.
He seems to enjoy their style more.
Can people stop making a big deal out of this star rating system? It's just a one man's opinion and if people don't like it...Make your own star rating system of wrestling matches, i don't know!
Bro I loved hearing Seth Rolling talk bout wrestling was mad entertaining I just let it run while cleaning my apartment😅
Meltzer just needs to admit he's a mark for NJPW, Bucks and Omega. Just admit it and move on lol. It's ok to be a mark for wrestlers or promotions.
I stopped caring about Meltzer's ratings after he said HBK vs Taker at WM wasn't a 5 star match.
Double upload 🤭 thank you forehead of the table
Rollins nailed it. Meltzers ratings are a joke, personally for me I only give 5 stars to matches that come across as believable conflicts and that never seems to apply to matches dave rates as such
Dave Meltzer, what a chooch. -Not Gorilla Monsoon.
i don’t get why some people place so much weight on dave’s opinion but also the people who keep constantly bringing up how it doesn’t matter
like if it don’t matter why you gotta keep saying why it don’t matter
Dave Meltzer is the Benzino of Wrestling and it's not a good thing 😂
what i think ppl miss about Dave Meltzer ratings and why it seems to favor non WWE is as he explained himself. WWE you might love a match for the pomp and circumstance around it. But on a pure wrestling perspective. They just dont compare even close to Osprey / Omega etc.... type matches. they just dont. you might prefer WWE matches. But if your understanding the metric by which he grades. He is basically bypassing all the stuff around it. great entrance. great promos. etc......from that point of view his ratings make perfect sense.
i think if you subscribe to the concept of WWE is sports entertainment vs Wrestling. then his ratings are perfectly logical. Lets be frank. as great as Rollins is. his best matches all times dont hold a cancel to any of the Kenny Omega vs Okada matches.
I also really liked his comments on how WWE trains you to pop at specific times. When i heard that. it instantly clicked in my head to be true.
here is one more thought. on the Cena talking about Rock vs Hogan. i think this ends the discussion. Meltzer 5 star matches are great with no volume. and would be great even if you had never heard of these wreslters and there wasnt a big WWE machine behind marketing x or y wrestler and making them huge stars.
2 uploads damn it’s a good day
People almost cancelled Seth Rollins because he used money as an argument for it being the best pro wrestling on the planet...
I heard that Seth need to go on a surgery for his back 😢
Seth vs edge hell in cell 5 star and also
Is it just me or does thegreatone looks like Goldberg
It's known that Dave has a hard on for Indy and AEW.
People still getting mad about a 50-60 year old man not sucking of their favorite wrestles.
TheGreatOne uploading twice in a day is also kinda rare.
I dont get why he just cant flat out said : "Im bias against wwe." And thats fine. People will just take his opinions less seriously.
WWE want Dave's 5 stars for matches? Bring Okada over. He seems to be the only person Dave consistently gives them to.
Meltzer has kind of hated WWE ever since Vince lied about what Dave said during the Steroid Trials...
Never really take him serious. just hear him and ignore.storytelling he dont look at neither.
1:55 Kooort Angle never calling him Kurt again😂
The fact that none of Seth's matches with Edge got 5 stars tells you how stupid Meltzer's ratings are.
If Roman and Jey weren't in the thunderdome I think they could've got a 5 star in my opinion any match
Love edge rocking the ghost shirt👍👍
it makes no sense why people pick and choose when to like someone and not invole their personal
lives
its legit weird ass fuck that so many people keep taking anything personal.
what logan paul does outside the ring doesn’t matter if you like the in ring character. people legit pick and choose when to have morality and its stupid ass fuck
He didn't give Taker vs HBK a 5* but will go give Osprey and that 6/7*. Bloke clearly hates wwe.
3:30 even he knows his ratings system is pointless
Lets talk about Kurt angle his match with Shawn was my favourite Wrestlemania match ever he didn't give that match 5 stars I was shocked since than I did not care about his ratings