Whatever anyone says about Glee, they did some fantastic mashups. But when people complain about this episode as Glee "regressing" to out someone, I think given they tackle/d modern issues, they couldn't not do an episode with someone being (accidentally) outed... and in the next episode (I think), that's a very real interaction for Santana that some people have. No every family member is as amazing and accepting as Burt.
I get where you were going, saying outing changes lives, and it should always be that individual's choice if/when to come out. But bullying changes lives too people have killed themselves over being bullied. Finn in season 2 was shown to have body issues, in part due to being bullied.
This is one of my favorite episodes of the third season. However, I feel like the storyline of Santana and her coming out of her closet is very chaotic and I think they could have handled it better. Other than that, I like the episode. Ps. I love your reacts. I enjoy it. ✨
i personally like the storyline bc it’s somewhat realistic given the time it took place, but many ppl want things to be perfect for the characters but i think it was crucial for santanas development
I think it’s just because I like to validate everyone’s struggles. You can say outing and saying hurtful comments about someone’s weight are two different types of situations, which they are…but I think they have both results that we don’t want anyone going through. Being part of the LGBTQIA community(which I am) and then not being accepted and disowned by your family or not being your true self that can definitely effect your mental health resulting in depression or su*cid*. Santana has been making comments to Finn on how he looks and especially in his weight through out the season, and males can develop EDs. Therefore being a mental illnesses that you can d*e from, because it can really take a toll on your mental health as we can see something like that happen in season 4. I think I look at it in a mental health perspective especially with what happened to Rory in this episode which he didn’t deserve since he’s just being himself, and he’s new. That’s just my opinion ❤️
Consequences. As much as i love the actress santana fucked around and found out. I have zero qualms bout her being outed after the shit she did. You think you can insult and demean others. Threaten violence, yeah no. Learn that the way you treat others comes back and being gay isnt some special needs case that means to forgive others all their shit.
I think outing Santana was an awful thing for him to do. While I don't think she deserved it, she had it coming--there were people who were loyal to her and kept her secret and she was constantly bullying them instead of being grateful for the people who were trying to be her friends. Eventually someone would have hit a breaking point with how mean she was to many of them.
as a former gay teen now trans person with depression and a suicidal state of mind, let me tell u that bullying kills people. so if we're gonna lay all the cards on the table, lets lay them all. im all against outing people, im also all against tearing people down to make urself feel better, cause u dont know the struggles and mental wars people might be going through outside ur little sassy demeaning hurtful interaction. there's no lighter or heavier, or worst subject, itd be completely subjective to the person. being outed might change ur life for the best, being bullied might make u tougher and a more resilient human being, and at the same time, both can also lead u to a dark isolated and at times dangerous place. all im going to say is, dont go around poking bears if ure not ready for the bite.
Disagree. Being outed can have effects on your family and home life and can be life or death. Being called chunky is not as deep and 9/10 times is something you have control over unlike your sexuality.
bullying can lead to sucide outed someone too but people need to stop saying one of those things is worst than the others they both can lead to death or just treat yourself in a very poor way ..
i disagree. yes, bullying is not okay and horrible and can destroy someone's mental health, but outing someone is worse. people get kicked out of their homes for being outed, they get disowned by their families. revealing that about somebody is in no way okay or excusable
the wort thing about it is they acted like it was okay and quinn was the real villain like??? that annoyed me so badly i get quinn isn't acting the best here but i know we're not about to brush that inappropriate relationship off like that just to make quinn be the bad one especially when she's just a teenager and probably has a lot of regret giving her baby away and doesn't know how to process it correctly (again, she's A TEENAGER a lot of adult women don't in that situation either) they could have tackled that so much better and instead of continually saying 'gRoW uP' to someone who had a baby in high school and had to give it away maybe tackle the actual issue of the toll it took on her mentally if anything, shelby should be able to relate all kinds of messed up ryan murphy hated dianna so much and i agree, puck storylines are gag worthy the best times with puck is with coach beiste
Honestly if they had avoided the skeevy romantic part and just went for an odd friendship plot with the Quinn stuff it could have worked. Also Quinn has no right to judge Shelby for being a sergeant when she got pregnant by cheating on her boyfriend with his bestfriend.
@@kelliehatch1712 the day people stop believing 18 is an adult is the day I have peace..not to mention he's STILL in high school. Some of y'all really need to be placed on watch
While I agree that outing someone is never ok, Santana (my favorite character) had been insulting and bullying Finn for months and months. Gay or straight, a person can only be pushed so far before they snap. Also, they could've done a better job with Santana coming out. Her relationship with Brittany kinda started as a joke and they used to go around holding hands. So, it wasn't like Finn dropped a huge bomb of a secret. Again, I'm not condoning outing someone at all. I'm just saying that in this fictionalized world, I understand how Finn got to that point.
@@TravisViews Please, not you, people are not disowned for that but that doesn't make it less hurtful, you should never dismiss someone else's suffering just because from your perspective something is more serious. (and no, is not justification for Finn)
Sorry but all degrees of bullying are not equal. Sure it sucks. But calling someone fat and outing someone to a school and their family IS NOT THE SAME. I will die on that hill.
@@TravisViews she didn't just call him fat tho she was trash to him not only about his weigth but about him his person and ihis relationship Travis i understand that you think being outed is horrible cause it is but you clearly don't know what it is to be talk trash everyday about you and people making fun of you is .. after all the shit she gave him she deserved a piece of her own behavior at some point Karma is here she deserved it.
@@justlive2809 no one is saying bullying isn't bad. The point is they are NOT the same and outing someone can have immeasurable amounts of consequences for a person. You're ignoring the very real homophobia people face, even today, nvm over a decade ago. It's not just general verbal abuse. Watching these scenes make me cry every time. Santana has made it clear she loves Brittany but does not want to/ isn't ready to come out. There has already been a video made to out and shame her further, and she's already scared of her parent's reaction. Like most people in the LGBTQ+ community. It is not equal and Finn is definitely grossly wrong in this situation. You can handle your bully without outing them and possibly damaging their life indefinitely. It's a step too far, period. Kurt and Karofsky are a perfect example. I will also die on that hill.
This show was meant to be completely politically incorrect and have dark humor. Santana (and Sue) was SUPPOSED to be Ryan Murphy's 'mean' girl outlet voice and her tirades were some of the most hilarious and creative bits of writing on the show that were meant to be mean and provocative but also nutty. This show couldn't air today because ppl get offended even with jokes on TV and dont even allow themselves to laugh. Makes me sad her jokes are cut, Naya's delivery was epic. She was always taking the piss out of everyone and did NOT deserve to be outed by Finn even for mean jokes. Back then she could've gotten kicked out of her home, beaten, put in a conversion camp. etc. It was not like today. She was wrong for slapping him but in the panic of the moment I understand it.
I have to skip over the parts where Puck appears, ESPECIALLY in any scene he appeared with kids 🤮so this storyline makes me shudder in horror knowing what the actor was up to behind the scenes (what he was watching and even downloading manuals on how to r*pe babies 🤮). Really wish reactors would cut him out as much as possible. Hope that baby actor was kept well guarded throughout the filming. Urghhh. Can't even look at his face. The rest of the ep is one of my favorites. The adele mashup became one of the most iconic mashups of the Glee run, even Adele herself shared it on her socials.
Not cutting him out. Unfortunately what he did WAS disgusting but the rest of the actors, crew and show itself shouldn’t suffer because of his gross choices.
@@TravisViews I respect that Travis. Mark was a horrible person but Puck is a different character who actually has growth. I love how you're able to separate character from actor
love santana but she was really too vicious this season. finn shouldn't have done it but didn't feel bad for her until next episode. and quinn is done so dirty by the writers
Finn outing Santana was one of my most hated things that happened on this show. Especially given that a gay kid at this school was threatened to be killed and he knew about it.
finn outed santana so he deserved to get slapped. I don’t really care what she said to him, outing someone is NEVER okay. it literally puts their life in danger. people die due to homophobia every day and lgbt people are at higher risk of suicide, assault and homelessness. not only that but santana is a person of color which just adds another layer to the type of homophobia she could encounter. at the very least finn knows what kurt went through in that school when he came out and how the bullying got so bad for him that he had to leave so finn just casually and carelessly outing someone like that is even worse. hell, finn himself called kurt the f slur at one point so this just shows a pattern of him being homophobic and ignorant.
“I don’t really care what she said to him” Finn was completely wrong but don’t justify Santana actions, she was a horrible person, just see how she treats Rory, do you think he feels safe?Obviously no, But I don’t see any comment defending him, bullying is just as important and justifying her actions is NEVER okay.
Wow 😢😮 so even if leads to the point of death ☠️💀 for him you don't care just because santana is apart of the LGBTQ group or others is so messed up tbh 😭😭😔 I hate how people just give these people a pass if there wrong just because there other or apart of a group organization tbh 😕 it's so messed up
Yep, that scene pretty much ruined Finn in my eyes. After everything he watched Kurt go through. He had every right to fight back and honestly even verbally attacked as she had him but NOT by outing her. He could have gotten her disowned, made homeless, ship off to some camp or even killed. The he has the balls to try and brush it off.
It wasn't even in "such a vicious way" though. It was him lashing back at her while she berated him for his body knowing he has body issues. The way he did it wasn't like he was making fun of her for being lesbian or trying to tell everyone around him to hate on her. He was trying to get through to her even if it was the wrong time/place to do it
@@AllThoseChickens I was talking more about the way it spread and how the person went as far as to use it in a campaign ad, essentially outing her to her whole family. I know Finn didn't mean for all that to happen but the impact was way harsher than what he intended
Remember what she said that she's from Lima heights or whatever nothing can bother or get to her 😢😮 look at the outcome now 😕😕 that she's in the hot seat 🪑 but it's okay for her to do it and bully someone else I bet if she wasn't gay she would have probably bullied him for that too because that's who she is bully 😭
Santana may have been overly harsh on Finn in this particular episode but Finn forcefully outing her like that was all kinds of effed up because if she wasn’t ready to share that information which at this point she clearly wasn’t than that’s her choice and he took that from her just because he was pissed at her about their stupid singing battle.
Yeah, nothing justifies outing someone like that, you do'nt know what could happend, a person can literally be killed by it. And even after, he still has the attitude to act like it's nothing. Was Santana horrible? Yes! but nothing justifies, putting someone's life at risk. And Finn is far from being nice too, he's been chasing Blaine since he arrived at school.
Let's flip the script. Santana's constant bullying has caused mental pain and anguish to multiple members of the Glee club, in particular causing Finn to have body image issues, which can lead to eating disorders (and check Finn's abrupt body change in season 4, even if it wasn't addressed in the plot). She uses the excuse of where she grew up, but everyone in the Glee Club has forgiven her and embraced her many times after she crossed the line. Finn's only experience with LGBTQ people is with Kurt, who has a fantastic dad, and they all worked to make the school a more welcoming place so Kurt could come back, so he figured all that was holding Santana back was herself. Finn's problem was being uninformed of the possible negative outcomes of the way he chose to try to get Santana together with Britney so she could be happy. However, I can guarantee that if Santana's parents had kicked her out, the Glee club would have invited her to live with one of them - just like they did with Quinn when she was pregnant. Before anyone says anything: I am the B in LGBTQ, and when my very religious father found out, he said "I wish I had killed you before you ever decided to be that way, because at least you would have died clean and innocent before God". And I was still a virgin at that time, I had just barely figured out I liked both some girls and some boys in the same way...
@Kayjee17 . Even if all worked out and santana got somewhere to live, do you know the mental and pain that being kicked out by your own family means? Do you know how it feels to lose your home just for being who you are. No one here is saying the bullying Santana does is right, but outing someone as revenge it's not right either. You say "everyone embraced when she crossed the line" just like there's is a bunch of excuses for fins misbehaving. When he called kurt a fagg**** when he treated blaine like shit, when he makes sam, not sing with kurt because that would be embarrassing for him. You acting like fin is some Saint, which he is not. And you also are acting like, lgbt issues don't have that much impact on people's life. Just like finn did, when he said "no ane cares" but people care, and people kill because of that. He has all the privileges to not know how this impacts people. They are both wrong, but you are minimizing how this affects santana and only siding with the white straight boy struggle.
@Kayjee17 and another thing: being kicked out it's not the only thing, that can happen to you, people are killed just for being gay, there's grups chasing and promoting attacks against lgbt people, there's public humiliation, there's the backlash from neighbors, family, society in general. So again, you are minimizing how cruel this is, and you also don't have the knowledge of how much lgbt people are murder or kil them self. Stop acting like this is "nothing." You said you're bi. You should know better .
Yeah actually him outing her is assault, her reaction was ridiculous- but justifiable until the slap. I know this. In the town i live in now, he would be expelled immediately, and placed in required counseling. Outing someone is not okay ever. She would receive community service hours for slapping him. A heavy amount as well, like 150 in 2 months and required meeting with a counselor. But him- nah he can take online classes, print a GED, and deal with explaining himself every time he applies for a job.
Where do you live because it doesn't sound like the States? Nothing usually that severe would happen, let alone in Ohio. I was literally hanged from a tetherball pole and barely anything happened to my attacker.
@@OsitoMaster15 Karofsky was the main one that beat on Kurt. Santana would've never really outed him, she said that more to control him and even made him become a bully monitor and make sure Kurt got safe from one class to the next. She also did it for the prom thing but also to get him off of Kurt's back and eventually helped karofsky accept himself slowly.
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fun fact the slap scene is real the director told naya to actually slap corey and he didn’t know 😂 love this episode though it’s one of my favorites
This Adele mash up is the best song they did on the whole show.
Santana and Finn were wild this episode 😭
Too much !
@@TravisViews karofsky threatend to kill kurt and he still didn't out him
Whatever anyone says about Glee, they did some fantastic mashups.
But when people complain about this episode as Glee "regressing" to out someone, I think given they tackle/d modern issues, they couldn't not do an episode with someone being (accidentally) outed... and in the next episode (I think), that's a very real interaction for Santana that some people have. No every family member is as amazing and accepting as Burt.
I get where you were going, saying outing changes lives, and it should always be that individual's choice if/when to come out. But bullying changes lives too people have killed themselves over being bullied. Finn in season 2 was shown to have body issues, in part due to being bullied.
This is one of my favorite episodes of the third season. However, I feel like the storyline of Santana and her coming out of her closet is very chaotic and I think they could have handled it better. Other than that, I like the episode.
Ps. I love your reacts. I enjoy it. ✨
i personally like the storyline bc it’s somewhat realistic given the time it took place, but many ppl want things to be perfect for the characters but i think it was crucial for santanas development
I think it’s just because I like to validate everyone’s struggles. You can say outing and saying hurtful comments about someone’s weight are two different types of situations, which they are…but I think they have both results that we don’t want anyone going through. Being part of the LGBTQIA community(which I am) and then not being accepted and disowned by your family or not being your true self that can definitely effect your mental health resulting in depression or su*cid*. Santana has been making comments to Finn on how he looks and especially in his weight through out the season, and males can develop EDs. Therefore being a mental illnesses that you can d*e from, because it can really take a toll on your mental health as we can see something like that happen in season 4. I think I look at it in a mental health perspective especially with what happened to Rory in this episode which he didn’t deserve since he’s just being himself, and he’s new. That’s just my opinion ❤️
Consequences. As much as i love the actress santana fucked around and found out. I have zero qualms bout her being outed after the shit she did. You think you can insult and demean others. Threaten violence, yeah no. Learn that the way you treat others comes back and being gay isnt some special needs case that means to forgive others all their shit.
@@tomw4955exactly. Santana is by far my favorite character, but in this episode just like you said “she fucked around and found out” 🤷🏽♂️
Oh this episode is drama gold, also the songs are really good
I think outing Santana was an awful thing for him to do.
While I don't think she deserved it, she had it coming--there were people who were loyal to her and kept her secret and she was constantly bullying them instead of being grateful for the people who were trying to be her friends.
Eventually someone would have hit a breaking point with how mean she was to many of them.
as a former gay teen now trans person with depression and a suicidal state of mind, let me tell u that bullying kills people. so if we're gonna lay all the cards on the table, lets lay them all. im all against outing people, im also all against tearing people down to make urself feel better, cause u dont know the struggles and mental wars people might be going through outside ur little sassy demeaning hurtful interaction. there's no lighter or heavier, or worst subject, itd be completely subjective to the person. being outed might change ur life for the best, being bullied might make u tougher and a more resilient human being, and at the same time, both can also lead u to a dark isolated and at times dangerous place.
all im going to say is, dont go around poking bears if ure not ready for the bite.
Disagree. Being outed can have effects on your family and home life and can be life or death. Being called chunky is not as deep and 9/10 times is something you have control over unlike your sexuality.
absolutely, this. well said@@TravisViews
@@TravisViewsdisagree
oh that's not...
Santana's performance was everything on that song.
bullying can lead to sucide outed someone too but people need to stop saying one of those things is worst than the others they both can lead to death or just treat yourself in a very poor way ..
i disagree. yes, bullying is not okay and horrible and can destroy someone's mental health, but outing someone is worse. people get kicked out of their homes for being outed, they get disowned by their families. revealing that about somebody is in no way okay or excusable
The Shelby/Puck storyline is disgusting, like most storylines around Puck, imho.
Also, can I just point out what an amazing duet partner is Mr Shue?
the wort thing about it is they acted like it was okay and quinn was the real villain like??? that annoyed me so badly
i get quinn isn't acting the best here but i know we're not about to brush that inappropriate relationship off like that just to make quinn be the bad one especially when she's just a teenager and probably has a lot of regret giving her baby away and doesn't know how to process it correctly (again, she's A TEENAGER a lot of adult women don't in that situation either)
they could have tackled that so much better and instead of continually saying 'gRoW uP' to someone who had a baby in high school and had to give it away maybe tackle the actual issue of the toll it took on her mentally
if anything, shelby should be able to relate
all kinds of messed up ryan murphy hated dianna so much
and i agree, puck storylines are gag worthy
the best times with puck is with coach beiste
It's not like Puck is a child, he's 18, a legal adult.
@@nightfrost1891 where did you hear Ryan hated Dianna?
Honestly if they had avoided the skeevy romantic part and just went for an odd friendship plot with the Quinn stuff it could have worked. Also Quinn has no right to judge Shelby for being a sergeant when she got pregnant by cheating on her boyfriend with his bestfriend.
@@kelliehatch1712 the day people stop believing 18 is an adult is the day I have peace..not to mention he's STILL in high school. Some of y'all really need to be placed on watch
Travis the other song sung with lady Gaga’s you and I is a slow song from the 80’s that’s also called You and I by Eddie rabbitt and Crystal Gayle
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While I agree that outing someone is never ok, Santana (my favorite character) had been insulting and bullying Finn for months and months. Gay or straight, a person can only be pushed so far before they snap. Also, they could've done a better job with Santana coming out. Her relationship with Brittany kinda started as a joke and they used to go around holding hands. So, it wasn't like Finn dropped a huge bomb of a secret. Again, I'm not condoning outing someone at all. I'm just saying that in this fictionalized world, I understand how Finn got to that point.
It’s different. People get disowned for being gay. They rarely get disowned for being chunky.
@@TravisViews Please, not you, people are not disowned for that but that doesn't make it less hurtful, you should never dismiss someone else's suffering just because from your perspective something is more serious. (and no, is not justification for Finn)
Sorry but all degrees of bullying are not equal. Sure it sucks. But calling someone fat and outing someone to a school and their family IS NOT THE SAME.
I will die on that hill.
@@TravisViews she didn't just call him fat tho she was trash to him not only about his weigth but about him his person and ihis relationship Travis i understand that you think being outed is horrible cause it is but you clearly don't know what it is to be talk trash everyday about you and people making fun of you is .. after all the shit she gave him she deserved a piece of her own behavior at some point Karma is here she deserved it.
@@justlive2809 no one is saying bullying isn't bad. The point is they are NOT the same and outing someone can have immeasurable amounts of consequences for a person. You're ignoring the very real homophobia people face, even today, nvm over a decade ago. It's not just general verbal abuse. Watching these scenes make me cry every time. Santana has made it clear she loves Brittany but does not want to/ isn't ready to come out. There has already been a video made to out and shame her further, and she's already scared of her parent's reaction. Like most people in the LGBTQ+ community.
It is not equal and Finn is definitely grossly wrong in this situation. You can handle your bully without outing them and possibly damaging their life indefinitely. It's a step too far, period. Kurt and Karofsky are a perfect example.
I will also die on that hill.
Ha ha ha, I loved Hall and Oates in high school! Showing my age huh?
This show was meant to be completely politically incorrect and have dark humor. Santana (and Sue) was SUPPOSED to be Ryan Murphy's 'mean' girl outlet voice and her tirades were some of the most hilarious and creative bits of writing on the show that were meant to be mean and provocative but also nutty. This show couldn't air today because ppl get offended even with jokes on TV and dont even allow themselves to laugh. Makes me sad her jokes are cut, Naya's delivery was epic. She was always taking the piss out of everyone and did NOT deserve to be outed by Finn even for mean jokes. Back then she could've gotten kicked out of her home, beaten, put in a conversion camp. etc. It was not like today. She was wrong for slapping him but in the panic of the moment I understand it.
so if you understand the slap you can understand that Finn snap too cause he was tired of being bullied by Santana!
of course, but you cannot excuse outing someone@@justlive2809
Episode 15 of season 3 of this show made me ugly cry heads up 😭😭😭😭😭
Pensé q nunca llegaría este día 😅
I have to skip over the parts where Puck appears, ESPECIALLY in any scene he appeared with kids 🤮so this storyline makes me shudder in horror knowing what the actor was up to behind the scenes (what he was watching and even downloading manuals on how to r*pe babies 🤮). Really wish reactors would cut him out as much as possible. Hope that baby actor was kept well guarded throughout the filming. Urghhh. Can't even look at his face.
The rest of the ep is one of my favorites. The adele mashup became one of the most iconic mashups of the Glee run, even Adele herself shared it on her socials.
Not cutting him out. Unfortunately what he did WAS disgusting but the rest of the actors, crew and show itself shouldn’t suffer because of his gross choices.
@@TravisViews I respect that Travis. Mark was a horrible person but Puck is a different character who actually has growth. I love how you're able to separate character from actor
love santana but she was really too vicious this season. finn shouldn't have done it but didn't feel bad for her until next episode. and quinn is done so dirty by the writers
Finn outing Santana was one of my most hated things that happened on this show. Especially given that a gay kid at this school was threatened to be killed and he knew about it.
finn outed santana so he deserved to get slapped. I don’t really care what she said to him, outing someone is NEVER okay. it literally puts their life in danger. people die due to homophobia every day and lgbt people are at higher risk of suicide, assault and homelessness. not only that but santana is a person of color which just adds another layer to the type of homophobia she could encounter.
at the very least finn knows what kurt went through in that school when he came out and how the bullying got so bad for him that he had to leave so finn just casually and carelessly outing someone like that is even worse. hell, finn himself called kurt the f slur at one point so this just shows a pattern of him being homophobic and ignorant.
I agree.
“I don’t really care what she said to him” Finn was completely wrong but don’t justify Santana actions, she was a horrible person, just see how she treats Rory, do you think he feels safe?Obviously no, But I don’t see any comment defending him, bullying is just as important and justifying her actions is NEVER okay.
@@alexito23alexito thank you
Wow 😢😮 so even if leads to the point of death ☠️💀 for him you don't care just because santana is apart of the LGBTQ group or others is so messed up tbh 😭😭😔 I hate how people just give these people a pass if there wrong just because there other or apart of a group organization tbh 😕 it's so messed up
Santana being outed in such a vicious way hurts even more to watch now because of all of the anti-queer legislation we're seeing today 😔
Yep, that scene pretty much ruined Finn in my eyes. After everything he watched Kurt go through. He had every right to fight back and honestly even verbally attacked as she had him but NOT by outing her. He could have gotten her disowned, made homeless, ship off to some camp or even killed. The he has the balls to try and brush it off.
But even if she deserved it tbh 😢😮 after the way she kind of treated fin 😔😭
It wasn't even in "such a vicious way" though. It was him lashing back at her while she berated him for his body knowing he has body issues. The way he did it wasn't like he was making fun of her for being lesbian or trying to tell everyone around him to hate on her. He was trying to get through to her even if it was the wrong time/place to do it
@@AllThoseChickens I was talking more about the way it spread and how the person went as far as to use it in a campaign ad, essentially outing her to her whole family. I know Finn didn't mean for all that to happen but the impact was way harsher than what he intended
@@ajbroughtgum Oh yea that part is super bad lol. I thought you meant Finn and I was like he was just trying to make her be less mean
swap the genders between buck and rachel's mom. yeah, now u see it.
Remember what she said that she's from Lima heights or whatever nothing can bother or get to her 😢😮 look at the outcome now 😕😕 that she's in the hot seat 🪑 but it's okay for her to do it and bully someone else I bet if she wasn't gay she would have probably bullied him for that too because that's who she is bully 😭
Ugh Santana is such a bully
Santana may have been overly harsh on Finn in this particular episode but Finn forcefully outing her like that was all kinds of effed up because if she wasn’t ready to share that information which at this point she clearly wasn’t than that’s her choice and he took that from her just because he was pissed at her about their stupid singing battle.
Yeah, nothing justifies outing someone like that, you do'nt know what could happend, a person can literally be killed by it. And even after, he still has the attitude to act like it's nothing. Was Santana horrible? Yes! but nothing justifies, putting someone's life at risk. And Finn is far from being nice too, he's been chasing Blaine since he arrived at school.
Santana deserved it 🤷🏻♂️
@@phantomquartz0586 go educate your self
Let's flip the script. Santana's constant bullying has caused mental pain and anguish to multiple members of the Glee club, in particular causing Finn to have body image issues, which can lead to eating disorders (and check Finn's abrupt body change in season 4, even if it wasn't addressed in the plot). She uses the excuse of where she grew up, but everyone in the Glee Club has forgiven her and embraced her many times after she crossed the line.
Finn's only experience with LGBTQ people is with Kurt, who has a fantastic dad, and they all worked to make the school a more welcoming place so Kurt could come back, so he figured all that was holding Santana back was herself. Finn's problem was being uninformed of the possible negative outcomes of the way he chose to try to get Santana together with Britney so she could be happy. However, I can guarantee that if Santana's parents had kicked her out, the Glee club would have invited her to live with one of them - just like they did with Quinn when she was pregnant.
Before anyone says anything: I am the B in LGBTQ, and when my very religious father found out, he said "I wish I had killed you before you ever decided to be that way, because at least you would have died clean and innocent before God". And I was still a virgin at that time, I had just barely figured out I liked both some girls and some boys in the same way...
@Kayjee17 . Even if all worked out and santana got somewhere to live, do you know the mental and pain that being kicked out by your own family means? Do you know how it feels to lose your home just for being who you are. No one here is saying the bullying Santana does is right, but outing someone as revenge it's not right either. You say "everyone embraced when she crossed the line" just like there's is a bunch of excuses for fins misbehaving. When he called kurt a fagg**** when he treated blaine like shit, when he makes sam, not sing with kurt because that would be embarrassing for him. You acting like fin is some Saint, which he is not. And you also are acting like, lgbt issues don't have that much impact on people's life. Just like finn did, when he said "no ane cares" but people care, and people kill because of that. He has all the privileges to not know how this impacts people. They are both wrong, but you are minimizing how this affects santana and only siding with the white straight boy struggle.
@Kayjee17 and another thing: being kicked out it's not the only thing, that can happen to you, people are killed just for being gay, there's grups chasing and promoting attacks against lgbt people, there's public humiliation, there's the backlash from neighbors, family, society in general. So again, you are minimizing how cruel this is, and you also don't have the knowledge of how much lgbt people are murder or kil them self. Stop acting like this is "nothing." You said you're bi. You should know better .
Finn is a clown
Yeah actually him outing her is assault, her reaction was ridiculous- but justifiable until the slap. I know this. In the town i live in now, he would be expelled immediately, and placed in required counseling. Outing someone is not okay ever. She would receive community service hours for slapping him. A heavy amount as well, like 150 in 2 months and required meeting with a counselor. But him- nah he can take online classes, print a GED, and deal with explaining himself every time he applies for a job.
Where do you live because it doesn't sound like the States? Nothing usually that severe would happen, let alone in Ohio. I was literally hanged from a tetherball pole and barely anything happened to my attacker.
i like Rumour has it part but idk Santana part sound off to me compare to Mercedes it's meeeh..
Santana deserved it 🤷🏻♂️
Nope.
Educate yourself on the dangers of outing people and stop defending people who did/said homophobic things
@@TravisViews Well, Santana actually treatened Karofsky to out him just to help her to be prom queen. So yes, she deserved it, a lot.
@@OsitoMaster15 Karofsky was the main one that beat on Kurt. Santana would've never really outed him, she said that more to control him and even made him become a bully monitor and make sure Kurt got safe from one class to the next. She also did it for the prom thing but also to get him off of Kurt's back and eventually helped karofsky accept himself slowly.
Diff scenarios. A threat is also diff than actually doing.
Finn Hudson is trash! They ruined his character this season!