I would love to see more movies based in this time period. Talk about a rough time to live in, and the fact that it’s a horror movie fits so much more perfectly.
@@rhysnichols8608 LMAO YES it did. The FACT that YOU believe in the garbage you just wrote proves you're romanticizing the past because of either some movies you've seen or read about the past without seeing the full scope of all the problems it has in the entire era compared to modern times. "vIcTIm oF MoDerNiTy" my ass! If you wanna be stuck to the past, go ahead. Don't drag anyone else into your delusional rabbithole and convince anyone that "your" the one whose "right" as you're not. Like I said, humanity nowadays has economic, political, and social issues still, but their VASTLY better now then they were 50 to 100 to hundreds of years ago. The fact that you cynical think otherwise is just embarrassing as you're fetishizing the past so much it's disgusting. Get the crap out of here as you're not convincing anyone other than you that the sewage nonsense you said is correct.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Sir (or more likely ma’am given how emotional you are) why this triggered aggressive response? Wtf haha all I said was humanity has not progressed in a linear fashion, which is true, are you claiming that Ancient Rome was a WORSE place to live then the dark ages? Or do you think the Greek golden age was WORSE than 1600s New England? History has not improved steadily, also yes, I do think past eras have points that are better than today, particularly social virtues and morality that have declined rapidly the last century. I think the skyrocketing mental health and crime rates and the obvious open degradation of much of society is clear proof of a general social decline. The nuclear family unit that has been promoted and served as the ideal for literally multiple millennia has been since the 60s tarnished and single parent house holds, same sex marriages and non traditional gender roles have been aggressively pushed through media. Social media is also a key cause of mental health issues leading to less genuine interaction and more superficiality. While having strict social roles that are inflexible is undesirable, and some liberal change has been positive, the current social order is increasingly in direct rebellion against nature, and the degenerate state of the modern world is testament to this in my opinion. We have legal child drag queens ffs, this is not normal or desirable for a healthy nation. You can disagree but I do not care what you say
There's quite a few like this in this film, I think the scene right after this one even (when they are camping at night by the fire) is also incredible.
heckler408 Actually, the Puritains were "left-wing radicals" of their time. Influenced by Protestant reformers on the European Continent, they wanted to "purify" the Church of England of its remaining Roman Catholic elements. Somehow the term "Puritanism" became associated with sexual morality and religious fidelity. Liberal religious and atheist/skeptic/secular humanist groups can, did, and do shun "trouble makers" or dissidents.
Robert Eggers originally wanted the whole movie to take place in and around the house. But the producers wanted to give more context on the family’s banishment so they effectively doubled his budget for this scene.
Wait… producers actually HELPING a movie tell a better story? Giving the filmmaker MORE money to do so? And… it being THEIR idea? What universe was this movie made in?
@@uome20bukz - Right? I remember thinking this brief, opening scene was likely the most expensive in the movie. Stunning that it was a producer's note.
Eggers had so much nuance to his detail in scriptwriting and set pieces of the location and times that he wanted to portray. A brilliant director, visionary and artist of history. I hope he keeps making these brilliant period pieces for the rest of his life.
From the two opening minutes you just knew you were in the hands of a filmmaking genius. The entire thing is dripping in atmosphere. Can't wait for The Lighthouse.
It’s funny. In the beginning of the movie you kind of admire the guy for sticking up for his principles and holding true to his seemingly noble beliefs. Then they throw in some context and you realize he made a huge fucking mistake and literally every horrible thing that happens to his family is a direct result of his decision to leave their colony. The guy took them into uncharted territory on their own and sucks at farming and hunting. His only real skill is chopping wood, and in the end it buries him as a testament to the uselessness of it all. This is why you never declare that you’re “too punk rock” for your puritan church
Or at least don't burn those bridges unless you have a realistic fallback plan. It would have been a different story if the family had been able to relocate to another settlement or had family/friends nearby they could stay with until they were in a better position to set out on their own. As much as it sucks, when your options are limited, sometimes you have to put up a front in order to stay alive.
And in modern days terms, their differences in belief was probably so minimal it wouldn't even be considered different in later years like 1800 or 1900.
1:12 I'm pretty sure he could have stayed if he had remained silent and swallowed his pride. The judge looks totally amazed (for a Puritan) at his answer 1:25 It was actually intended as a final warning, not a final judgement. Williams pride is the original sin for the family.
Notice the shot utilized for Thomasin primarily, and her mother I think later in the film. This is the devil's gaze. Face perfectly in the center no camera movement. This only happens in the beginning, some parts in the middle, and the final scene when Thomasin gives herself to him. The fact that we get one of those shots in the very first scene indicates to me that she was targeted. This didnt just happen. A good scene that highlights my points is when Caleb approaches the seductress in the woods. His close up is with a shaky camera that never depicts him in the center. This was a shot reserved for Thomasin and whoever was in the devil's crosshairs.
As they leave the settlement, we briefly hear a psalm being sung, but as they move further away, it two fades more and more as if it were telling us how they forsake the place where God is watching over them. Breathtakingly poetic
The 17th Century was a fascinating time in History. From Europe to Asia and the Americas, everything was falling apart and being rebuilt, for better and worse.
That brief shot of the Native Americans within the town before the door closes is foreboding, shows the family is truly heading away beyond any civilization or fellow man and into the unknown.
Agreed it shows the natives(who would’ve been the experts on living in no mans land) are aware of the benefits and the safety by community behind the walls. And william is just like hang on gang its gonna be a long ride out in deez woods
dark times ahead and Bible is clear that there will be period that surpass all bad periods in human history. Matthew 24: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. By the way, watch this: ruclips.net/video/LXIyMz8rfqQ/видео.html
Imagine the native Americans having to deal.with their over religious BS. Non whites have to deal with over religious whites superstition to make.them.comfortable to this day.
@CaptainRidley I'm aware some native tribes were brutal to opposing threats. However, the colonizers took it to another level by nearly deleting native tribe culture completely throughout the Americas. It's only been what? 15 years since Colombus was taken off his pedestal as a hero.
Thomasin does give in to the power of the Devil, though, the very source of most of her and her family's suffering in the movie and their eventual deaths. The extreme trauma and sudden realization of how alone she is are obviously strong factors, but still, her mother's blood is still on her, all because of Satan and his witch servants, and she just goes and joins her family's murderers to "live deliciously". Pretty fucked up and not "pure" of heart. Caleb is probably just entering puberty. After their banishment, the only women around are Thomasin or his mom. His inevitable budding sexuality and curiosity have to go somewhere. I think he is overall pretty normal. His lust is used by the witch to lure him, and she does put an apple in his throat to condemn his lying, but I don't think he ever got drawn in to witchcraft himself. His last speech has been interpreted as his repentance, though I thought he was possessed by something mocking Christ. I'd have to watch again to decide. But I think he was probably purer than Thomasin, overall.
@@Gorehoundula i dont agree at all. the whole film she is being unfairly blamed and treated horribly by her hypocrite family. Thats why she ends up giving in at the end, probably because her horrible family has scared her off from being religious and holy. the movie begins with her asking forgiveness for her sins, while the rest of the family is deflective and refuses to take blame in anything, instead blaming her. She is the most pure for the whole film until the end.
@@leena7961 why must everything be because of what others have done instead of their own decision? You can find blame in everything for everyone in anyone else but no one says that everyone is blameless for their own sins. Agency must start somewhere or not at all
I'm not saying they should ever make a live-action remake of the Hunchback of Notre Dame, but if they do I feel like this guy would kill it as Claude Frollo.
What makes this movie for me is the time period. I've always been interested in the early settlers from the UK, how they established colonies, and they're struggles. It's nice to see it on the screen and instead of my imagination.
@@ernstthalmann4306 true, but I would be lying if I said that I didn’t want to see the exact events that led up to this moment. But then again it’s not exactly difficult to put that puzzle together, so it would be kind of unnecessary.
Torgo Torgenson Bullshit. Ethical prescriptions were there to make life less harsh in a time where one bad crop cycle could kill off your entire family. You can't judge people morally until you've lived in their shoes.
SPOILERS: This is his first sin in the movie. His pride put his family in danger, and condemmed his newborn infant to hell. He's the character than sinned the most in the movie, and basically sealed the fate of his family.
Still love the "I cannot be judged by False Christians" quote. Pretty badass sin but thankfully belief in Jesus is all He asks. Puritanism lacked the love taught by Christ, but they still believed in Him. So they're all in heaven probably, idk how babies work because baptism can be both spiritual and physical. Literally being born again simply by understanding Truth of Christ vs. having a priest pour water over you in God's name. I should think babies are alright if they're born into Christ-believing homes. It's not our job to judge the place of those souls who have left this life and entered into whichever eternal dwelling God has determined for them.
“I should think babies are alright if they're born into Christ-believing homes.” I have to wonder if religious people even listen to themselves sometimes.
@@JeantheSecond He meant when it comes to the beliefs, not that literally babies are condemned if parents are atheists. Like, in the movie, Katherine was horrified that Samuel died before he was christened because it meant he'd burn in hell. All this guy is saying is that there could be a loophole that should have pacified Kath.
Hugely effective opening scene with power alone from authentic speech patterns of the time, desaturated color, unsettling camera placement, superb detail and an actor’s voice that conveys experience, arrogance, piety, suffering and certitude.
I understand this is a dark edgy type film. But from some historical records the Puritans and early English settlers actually wore colorful clothing etc- the usually wore black and white modest clothing for church trials and funerals. My oldest ancestor of America is Richard Kimball of Suffolk 1630s lived in Massachusetts colony from Suffolk.
the puritan community was back sliding in the mind of the dad - a sign of this was the presence of Indians in the village for a start. And calling them false Christians, thought he could break away and build his own church.
@Diane Berg The rest of the film implies that he's more puritanical than the rest of the colony, though I think it's a stretch to read anything into the presence of natives. They were probably just written into the shot to add realism.
@@DoctorDoomsPvP But it’s clear in the film the farm wasn’t successful at all, there are shots of dead corn stalks and all the dad really knows how to do is chop wood. The mother is afraid they will all starve and they talk about selling off Thomasin.
The natives walking through the gate shows that even the experts in survival choose the safety of the community over the unknown/wilderness. Totally foreboding and their look back as the family rolls out is telling of “y tho”
I love their accurate use of Puritan English. "Thee" was actually the polite form of address and to call someone in a position of authority "you" was considered deeply offensive and really shows his scorn of the governors.
It's implied to us that he didn't think that the Puritan council who governed the community in their fort was conservative _enough_ - he steadfastly believed they should be more satisfactorily "devout" in God's eyes. Pretty motherfucking extreme, and only understandable insofar as one can understand the logical degrees/gradations (amongst muslims, for one of many instances) of "I know what's right, and you're clearly not serious enough to even see it properly - but I am, and I therefore do."
@@justinklenkI don’t think he was more conservative, rather, he held a radical interpretation of Christianity. For instance, according to his wife Catherine he repeatedly denied baby Samuel the sacrament of baptism. He called the rulers of the settlement false Christians so perhaps he did not wish to subject Samuel to their rule but denying infant baptism is nonetheless blasphemous. It allowed the witch to use the unbaptized Christian baby for its unholy ritual. Catherine would point out how he’s a pathological liar and broke their convenient with God. This is probably what made them subject to being directly targeted by the Witch and the Devil in the movie.
@@Losojostristes It was actually the more "conservative" Christians who thought baptism should not be granted until the child had grown more. So yes, Samuel was as yet unbaptized as the story deepens. But anyway, William's "sin" in this tale was sanctimony - his sanctimonious ego that proudly emigrated them from safety and into an unforgiving fate.
@@justinklenk No, in fact, infant baptism was required by law in many of these Puritan settlements. The "conservatives" wanted to preserve and enforce the institution of infant baptism while the radical (for its time) "credobaptists" were persecuted for believing baptism ashould be a choice made by "true believers". I still go back to Catherine being hysterical over her husband denying baby Samuel baptism, being a liar, and breaking their covenant with God because it went against everything she was raised to believe. Yeah, William was definitely prideful, blinded by his own ego to go so far as to get him and his family exiled by their people and abandoned by God.
@@kallias.3503 ahh ok even though they did not like each other or trusted each, they would still go to each other to trade but I find it funny how it seems like they trust them more here to even let them in their village while the family are banished from it
This was the beginning of the end; they were sent out of the safety of god's grace and protection, and in the wilderness they were susceptible to satan.
But the movie glorifies this descent into hell. That's what bothers me. Hell, you have feminists talking about how perfect this movie is for female empowerment. Fuck the fact that in order to become a witch, they had to use the blood of her murdered baby brother.
Oppressive nature of god?? Christ? Are you kidding me? It's called enforcing common decency. Common decency is not oppression. What is best for our children and their children is not oppression. Ever hear of the Weimar Republic? It was Germany before Hitler took over. We're talking about economic and spiritual hell. Moral degradation and degeneracy were rampant. And then, Germany became the most Christian nation. It became a paradise.
lmao, it doesn't glorify the descent into hell. It's a scary folktale. It's supposed to be scry and tragic. From the position of the characters, they were ex-communicated and therefore satan got them. From a modern audiences view, it varies. You can blame god for not helping them, the witches or satan for preying on them, the parents for not listening or paying enough attention, the dad for causing them to have to leave, the religion for being too difficult for them to follow etc etc. It depends on how you translate it. And some feminists say that, but not all. It isn't a position from the actual ideology as a whole.
@@LukeLovesRose Well, of course it appeals to feminism. They love casual infanticide and using the body parts of male babies as beauty products. In fact this whole film appealed to their sick utopian fantasy - the evil patriarchal family unit that oppressed her by expecting her to do her share of work is brutally killed off, and now she gets to spend her life dancing around naked, taking part in debauched, bloody sex acts with the other hags and having all her wants and needs magically provided by her murderous, Satanic pimp daddy. Yup, feminism in a nutshell.
The weak father is to blame for this. He was banished and sacrificed his own family, for some stupid theological dispute: proud, conceited and weak, the father is the true villain of this movie.
Feel so bad for his eldest daughter. Not going to act like being among the puritans would have been peaches and cream, but at least shed be among her peers.
Beautiful, deep sonorous voice. It almost sounds ancient. Beyond that I also love how he and Kate Dickie look in this film. Like they could be real people from that time
@@double-og4570 yes you´re right but even this option of trade is gone by leaving this plantation. The "wild" ones are WAY more connected to civilisation than Thomasins family.
I would like to know what exactly he did to be put in Trial and what was that all about. He say he's done nothing but spread the gospel and Jesus teachings and he can't be judged by fake christians and while cleary Very Prideful (it's his sin), given how the puritans and the church were, i could see it being "kind" of true BIG Quotation Marks (you will always be pretty apart from Jesus original Message and Teachings as Puritan of that time like William was), maybe he was as close as one could be, with the exception of his exessive pride, at least more so then the Church as a whole(any of them at the time), so i could see him being in the right by just trying to follow Jesus teachings as best as he could which eventually caused him to but heads with the Church and what they wanted, of course as far as they concerned their word is the same as Jesus and God but William definitly mishandled that situation because of his Pride which led them to be cast out.
Then take your leave and trouble us no further and as always, thou art a wretched sinner utterly unworthy of God’s love. A fountain of pollution is deep within thy nature, and thou livest like a winter tree, unprofitable, fit only to be hewn down and burnt. Steep thy life in prayer and hope that God sees fit to show mercy on thy corrupted soul.
Anyone wanted to punch The father? His opinionated self caused everything in motion.The sufferings of his children, his wife, the animals. Why can't there ever be a horror without daft stubborn characters.
I wonder if he auditioned for the part of Ned Stark. I love Sean Bean and as always he was fantastic, but this guy has more of the Stark look and could easily have been Benjen's brother. And that VOICE.
Thomasin is reluctant to leave the village because she knows Dad has a few loose screws and things will not go well out in the woods. She becomes the only surviving family member after Satan is finished with them. Smart girl : she joins his coven never again having to wear those Puritan clothes.
When I saw this immediately, the first thing that came to my head “society”. This is exactly how I see every organization every club every group. Just weird, ritualistic and insecure maybe. 😅
For anyone who might still see this, it turns out "We are your judges, and not you ours" was an actual phrase used during the trial of Anne Hutchinson in 1637. Having been a leading figure in the "Antinomian Controversy", and angering many prominent Puritans like John Winthrop (then Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony), she was told this line after having repeatedly and boldly staved off accusations of heresy and stirring discontent in the colony in the name of radical separatism. I read about this in chapter 14 of Bernard Bailyn's "Barbarous Years" if anyone is wondering!
I would love to see more movies based in this time period. Talk about a rough time to live in, and the fact that it’s a horror movie fits so much more perfectly.
It would suck to live in this time in anyway. Always towards the future we go.
@Mike V our time might have some problems/issues but it doesn't even compares to the past. Like I said, it's always best to live in the future.
@@Gadget-Walkmen
Humanity has not steadily improved in a linear fashion, the fact you believe this shows you’re a victim of modernity
@@rhysnichols8608 LMAO YES it did. The FACT that YOU believe in the garbage you just wrote proves you're romanticizing the past because of either some movies you've seen or read about the past without seeing the full scope of all the problems it has in the entire era compared to modern times.
"vIcTIm oF MoDerNiTy" my ass!
If you wanna be stuck to the past, go ahead. Don't drag anyone else into your delusional rabbithole and convince anyone that "your" the one whose "right" as you're not.
Like I said, humanity nowadays has economic, political, and social issues still, but their VASTLY better now then they were 50 to 100 to hundreds of years ago. The fact that you cynical think otherwise is just embarrassing as you're fetishizing the past so much it's disgusting.
Get the crap out of here as you're not convincing anyone other than you that the sewage nonsense you said is correct.
@@Gadget-Walkmen
Sir (or more likely ma’am given how emotional you are) why this triggered aggressive response? Wtf haha all I said was humanity has not progressed in a linear fashion, which is true, are you claiming that Ancient Rome was a WORSE place to live then the dark ages? Or do you think the Greek golden age was WORSE than 1600s New England? History has not improved steadily, also yes, I do think past eras have points that are better than today, particularly social virtues and morality that have declined rapidly the last century. I think the skyrocketing mental health and crime rates and the obvious open degradation of much of society is clear proof of a general social decline. The nuclear family unit that has been promoted and served as the ideal for literally multiple millennia has been since the 60s tarnished and single parent house holds, same sex marriages and non traditional gender roles have been aggressively pushed through media. Social media is also a key cause of mental health issues leading to less genuine interaction and more superficiality.
While having strict social roles that are inflexible is undesirable, and some liberal change has been positive, the current social order is increasingly in direct rebellion against nature, and the degenerate state of the modern world is testament to this in my opinion. We have legal child drag queens ffs, this is not normal or desirable for a healthy nation. You can disagree but I do not care what you say
1:25 literally looks like a 17th century oil painting. The attention to period detail in this movie is top notch.
There's quite a few like this in this film, I think the scene right after this one even (when they are camping at night by the fire) is also incredible.
@@rvanderhallen i noticed that too. the cinematography for this movie is excellent.
Did it pretty quickly too ( R.Eggers and team)
Very much so. Using chiaroscuro techniques of Vandermeer and Rembrandt.
How crazy do you have to be to be banished by the Puritans for being too puritanical.
heckler408 Actually, the Puritains were "left-wing radicals" of their time. Influenced by Protestant reformers on the European Continent, they wanted to "purify" the Church of England of its remaining Roman Catholic elements.
Somehow the term "Puritanism" became associated with sexual morality and religious fidelity.
Liberal religious and atheist/skeptic/secular humanist groups can, did, and do shun "trouble makers" or dissidents.
true😂
@@dcavalli9 Uh seems like you need to brush up on your history m8.
Don't think so.
D Cavalli they’re not left wing at all. Very much right wing extremists .
Robert Eggers originally wanted the whole movie to take place in and around the house. But the producers wanted to give more context on the family’s banishment so they effectively doubled his budget for this scene.
Money well spent! It really added depth to the strict religious household concept. This movie truly is a gem
Wait… producers actually HELPING a movie tell a better story? Giving the filmmaker MORE money to do so?
And… it being THEIR idea? What universe was this movie made in?
It's definitely not a Michael Bay movie.
@@uome20bukz - Right? I remember thinking this brief, opening scene was likely the most expensive in the movie. Stunning that it was a producer's note.
@@uome20bukz that's A24 for ya
This man should voice a video game villain or something.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that this guys voice is amazing
I thought this dude’s voice would be great for kratos
He did as Charles Vane in assassin’s creed black flag
Hes the iron born guy that knocked Theon out at winterfell.
he’s in ac4
I love the detail of the Native Americans entering the site with furs to trade with the settlers.
Also my favorite part. Love the history in this movie.
And even they’re looking at the family like “Who the fuck are these weirdos?” Lmao
It also shows how far the family has fallen, the tribal members are more accepted by the village then they are
Eggers had so much nuance to his detail in scriptwriting and set pieces of the location and times that he wanted to portray. A brilliant director, visionary and artist of history. I hope he keeps making these brilliant period pieces for the rest of his life.
One of the best, most atmospheric openings to a movie I have ever seen. Immediately sets the tone and evokes the era.
I was sold in 15 seconds of this movie. This scene was heavy.
Me too. Amazing cinematic experience!
From the two opening minutes you just knew you were in the hands of a filmmaking genius. The entire thing is dripping in atmosphere. Can't wait for The Lighthouse.
Yer fond of me lobster aint ye?
Why’d y’spill yer beans?
If I have a stake... I would fuck it
Let Neptune strike ye down!!!!
The Northman is great as well
Producers: Now how deep would you like the fathers voice to be ?
Eggars: Yes.
It’s funny. In the beginning of the movie you kind of admire the guy for sticking up for his principles and holding true to his seemingly noble beliefs. Then they throw in some context and you realize he made a huge fucking mistake and literally every horrible thing that happens to his family is a direct result of his decision to leave their colony. The guy took them into uncharted territory on their own and sucks at farming and hunting. His only real skill is chopping wood, and in the end it buries him as a testament to the uselessness of it all. This is why you never declare that you’re “too punk rock” for your puritan church
Excellent analysis.
His pride doomed him and his family.
@@28-r8b To be fair to him, he did repent of it in the end.
Or at least don't burn those bridges unless you have a realistic fallback plan. It would have been a different story if the family had been able to relocate to another settlement or had family/friends nearby they could stay with until they were in a better position to set out on their own. As much as it sucks, when your options are limited, sometimes you have to put up a front in order to stay alive.
And in modern days terms, their differences in belief was probably so minimal it wouldn't even be considered different in later years like 1800 or 1900.
1:12 I'm pretty sure he could have stayed if he had remained silent and swallowed his pride. The judge looks totally amazed (for a Puritan) at his answer 1:25 It was actually intended as a final warning, not a final judgement. Williams pride is the original sin for the family.
How sadly hath the Lord testified against you 😒
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Good observation
Yes! Wrong choice to say the least.
It's fun when the only safe feeling setting is ripped away two minutes into the movie.
If I lived at this time I would have survived about 3 minutes.
a world not for the modern man.
Eh, people are adaptable. You would've learned from your folks and neighbors.
Well, I do think that at that time it was common for newborns to die
@@AbrahamLincoln4 or woman
If 90% of people today went back in time to this period, they would be burnt at the stake within the hour
Notice the shot utilized for Thomasin primarily, and her mother I think later in the film. This is the devil's gaze. Face perfectly in the center no camera movement. This only happens in the beginning, some parts in the middle, and the final scene when Thomasin gives herself to him. The fact that we get one of those shots in the very first scene indicates to me that she was targeted. This didnt just happen. A good scene that highlights my points is when Caleb approaches the seductress in the woods. His close up is with a shaky camera that never depicts him in the center. This was a shot reserved for Thomasin and whoever was in the devil's crosshairs.
greetings masked one...
She is the only one doubting her father, she is thinking about herself rather than her family. She was targeted from the beggining
You mean how it centers on the main character of the film? VERY DEEP! BRAVO! LE REDDIT MOMENT UPVOTE ME
Good observation
What minute does this happen?
Does he have gravel for breakfast?
He has a big bowl of Quarry cereal every morning.
Without any milk
Nah. He had a bowl of nails.
WITHOUT ANY MILK
He actually eats dirt later in the movie.. so yes
Despite how he ended up, William’s voice and demeanour are utterly dominating. Epic.
As they leave the settlement, we briefly hear a psalm being sung, but as they move further away, it two fades more and more as if it were telling us how they forsake the place where God is watching over them. Breathtakingly poetic
The 17th Century was a fascinating time in History. From Europe to Asia and the Americas, everything was falling apart and being rebuilt, for better and worse.
Sounds familiar
So true
2:03 damn I like that shot
So cool. I like how tall the native is and the huge bow. Then the guards with the old school curved helmets and pikes. So epic
That shot at 2:10 is terrifying. Us knowing exactly what they’re heading towards.
Thank you for pointing that, great shot that adds to the foreboding
ok but the Native American detail was really cool 💀
Yeah, caught that shot as the family was leaving the town, tool. 😇
You know its bad when even those guys are like… ya’ll sure you wanna go that way?
The Natives told the first settlers to not go into certain areas. @LizardSkin
That brief shot of the Native Americans within the town before the door closes is foreboding, shows the family is truly heading away beyond any civilization or fellow man and into the unknown.
Agreed it shows the natives(who would’ve been the experts on living in no mans land) are aware of the benefits and the safety by community behind the walls. And william is just like hang on gang its gonna be a long ride out in deez woods
@@LizardSkin😂
Right he’s looking back like THEM? THEY are going out there?? God help em I didn’t see anything
Wow.. this time period... seems like the worst
dark times ahead and Bible is clear that there will be period that surpass all bad periods in human history.
Matthew 24: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
By the way, watch this: ruclips.net/video/LXIyMz8rfqQ/видео.html
Imagine the native Americans having to deal.with their over religious BS. Non whites have to deal with over religious whites superstition to make.them.comfortable to this day.
@@gillroygarlic3616 ..call 1 800 CRY BABY
@CaptainRidley ..thats correct.
@CaptainRidley I'm aware some native tribes were brutal to opposing threats. However, the colonizers took it to another level by nearly deleting native tribe culture completely throughout the Americas. It's only been what? 15 years since Colombus was taken off his pedestal as a hero.
Thomasin and the baby were the only pure souls there.
Kathrine was wrathful
The Twins were lazy
Caleb lusted for Thomasin
The dad was too proud
Thomasin does give in to the power of the Devil, though, the very source of most of her and her family's suffering in the movie and their eventual deaths. The extreme trauma and sudden realization of how alone she is are obviously strong factors, but still, her mother's blood is still on her, all because of Satan and his witch servants, and she just goes and joins her family's murderers to "live deliciously". Pretty fucked up and not "pure" of heart.
Caleb is probably just entering puberty. After their banishment, the only women around are Thomasin or his mom. His inevitable budding sexuality and curiosity have to go somewhere. I think he is overall pretty normal. His lust is used by the witch to lure him, and she does put an apple in his throat to condemn his lying, but I don't think he ever got drawn in to witchcraft himself. His last speech has been interpreted as his repentance, though I thought he was possessed by something mocking Christ. I'd have to watch again to decide. But I think he was probably purer than Thomasin, overall.
@@Gorehoundula I am listening, but it feel it may be a bit more complex than this.
@@Gorehoundula i dont agree at all. the whole film she is being unfairly blamed and treated horribly by her hypocrite family. Thats why she ends up giving in at the end, probably because her horrible family has scared her off from being religious and holy. the movie begins with her asking forgiveness for her sins, while the rest of the family is deflective and refuses to take blame in anything, instead blaming her. She is the most pure for the whole film until the end.
@@leena7961 You may be right. It's definitely a movie I need to watch again.
@@leena7961 why must everything be because of what others have done instead of their own decision? You can find blame in everything for everyone in anyone else but no one says that everyone is blameless for their own sins. Agency must start somewhere or not at all
Is it just me but are those hats dope AF?
I'm not saying they should ever make a live-action remake of the Hunchback of Notre Dame, but if they do I feel like this guy would kill it as Claude Frollo.
2:01 - Notice how the Natives (or savages as they would call them in those times) are permitted in that town while this family has been banished.
I love that scene because one of the natives keeps looking back at the family. They KNOW somethings out there and it’s bad fucking news.
@@shooterDisease The way you mention how they know something's out there reminds me of the missing 411 cases for some odd reason.
They would only call them “savages” as an insult. It’s not a term they actually go by.
That should be obvious.
Then they slaughtered them too
@@incaguaya and in later years they kidnapped and enslaved Africans
What makes this movie for me is the time period. I've always been interested in the early settlers from the UK, how they established colonies, and they're struggles. It's nice to see it on the screen and instead of my imagination.
The fathers voice In this is on a new level of badassery
How deep is your voice ?
William: yes
It's a shame there were no more town scenes.
Yes but no, since the isolation is what made it so scary. One scene did enough to add context while making the film feel withdrawn from society.
@@ernstthalmann4306 true, but I would be lying if I said that I didn’t want to see the exact events that led up to this moment. But then again it’s not exactly difficult to put that puzzle together, so it would be kind of unnecessary.
a harsh time to live in.
they made it harsh
Torgo Torgenson Bullshit. Ethical prescriptions were there to make life less harsh in a time where one bad crop cycle could kill off your entire family. You can't judge people morally until you've lived in their shoes.
Petty time to live in
Pretty sure you’d get hung in the neck just by coming in the door asking for the wifi password
@@torgotorgenson3177 ..wrong.
SPOILERS:
This is his first sin in the movie. His pride put his family in danger, and condemmed his newborn infant to hell. He's the character than sinned the most in the movie, and basically sealed the fate of his family.
Still love the "I cannot be judged by False Christians" quote. Pretty badass sin but thankfully belief in Jesus is all He asks. Puritanism lacked the love taught by Christ, but they still believed in Him. So they're all in heaven probably, idk how babies work because baptism can be both spiritual and physical. Literally being born again simply by understanding Truth of Christ vs. having a priest pour water over you in God's name. I should think babies are alright if they're born into Christ-believing homes. It's not our job to judge the place of those souls who have left this life and entered into whichever eternal dwelling God has determined for them.
“I should think babies are alright if they're born into Christ-believing homes.”
I have to wonder if religious people even listen to themselves sometimes.
Jean the Second *tips fedora*
@@JeantheSecond He meant when it comes to the beliefs, not that literally babies are condemned if parents are atheists. Like, in the movie, Katherine was horrified that Samuel died before he was christened because it meant he'd burn in hell. All this guy is saying is that there could be a loophole that should have pacified Kath.
@@JeantheSecond why do infidels have to act superior to everybody else?
God, it was bad enough INSIDE the one track village. Poor Thomasin.
The father opened the gate to their doom and the rest of the family walked through it.
His pride was their doom. Pride always goes before a fall.
At least he did acknowledge his guilt in the end but it was far too late.
Boy, if only they knew what they'd be in for.
@xogeo They could have if not for satanic witches and shit running in the woods.
Hugely effective opening scene with power alone from authentic speech patterns of the time, desaturated color, unsettling camera placement, superb detail and an actor’s voice that conveys experience, arrogance, piety, suffering and certitude.
I would watch the dullest scenes of their daily lives if this filmed offered it. Just the setting alone and their conversations get me giddy!
The perspective of Phillip peering through the opening in the wagon as they are exiting the fort is genius.
How sadly hath the Lord testified against this film's critics....
😂😂
The best opening scene in the history of cinema.
Agreed
How sadly doth George Lucas disagree with thee...
Oh come on now
Its a living hell to just try and survive in this time.
No time for video games and Snapchat.
And no internet
@Marcus Tullius Cicero There's sex but you gotta get married first! Maybe a brothel!
@@Gadget-Walkmen you could always shag with a same minded somewhere secluded. Happened probably alot
The eldest daughter doesn't want to leave.
Rull Mourn neither did the mother
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Hes the iron born guy that knocked Theon out at winterfell.
And then he got flayed
“It was a good speech.”
Holy shit
How much of a freak you gotta be for the Puritans to be like, "Bruh, either chill or get out!"
For some reason, every time I try to watch this particular video, it doesn't load.
Yeah, recently its never loading for me.
I've been having that problem as well
Same
I've had the same problem. However, when I lowered the video quality to 360p and reloaded the page it worked again.
@@Assasinsweed Worked for me too, thanks.
Ralph's voice is spectacular. He needs more screen time in films and tv shows .
“I cannot be judged by worthless insects”
Said Galactus to the very thought of the F4 beating him.
🤣
I hope he says this in the film 😂
This film is evil. Idk how but it manifests this dark energy I can’t explain
I understand this is a dark edgy type film. But from some historical records the Puritans and early English settlers actually wore colorful clothing etc- the usually wore black and white modest clothing for church trials and funerals. My oldest ancestor of America is Richard Kimball of Suffolk 1630s lived in Massachusetts colony from Suffolk.
The scene is a church trial.
Wearing colourful clothing? Definitely not with the Puritans.
@@nathanmerritt1581 so you've been successfully brainwashed by Hollywood
@@TomorrowWeLive lay off the drugs crackhead!
This scene is literally a church trial, so accurate.
I love how the movie starts with Thomasin's face and also ends with it
Yup. Really clever that after the title screen that says the witch, you see her. If you put the start and end image it shows the stark contrast.
the puritan community was back sliding in the mind of the dad - a sign of this was the presence of Indians in the village for a start. And calling them false Christians, thought he could break away and build his own church.
@Diane Berg The rest of the film implies that he's more puritanical than the rest of the colony, though I think it's a stretch to read anything into the presence of natives. They were probably just written into the shot to add realism.
@Diane Berg They built a whole cottage in the movie and a farm. They were moderately successful.
@@DoctorDoomsPvP But it’s clear in the film the farm wasn’t successful at all, there are shots of dead corn stalks and all the dad really knows how to do is chop wood. The mother is afraid they will all starve and they talk about selling off Thomasin.
The natives walking through the gate shows that even the experts in survival choose the safety of the community over the unknown/wilderness. Totally foreboding and their look back as the family rolls out is telling of “y tho”
I love their accurate use of Puritan English. "Thee" was actually the polite form of address and to call someone in a position of authority "you" was considered deeply offensive and really shows his scorn of the governors.
The other way around, actually.
Problem is their accents wouldn't have sounded like this.
The word "you' was the address for a group of people. 'Thee' was singular.
@@roseg2239 watch atun shei’s videos featuring the witch finder general for a better pronunciation
They would actually have Shakespearean sounding english at this time
I’ve always wondered what the father actually did to be banished
It's implied to us that he didn't think that the Puritan council who governed the community in their fort was conservative _enough_ - he steadfastly believed they should be more satisfactorily "devout" in God's eyes. Pretty motherfucking extreme, and only understandable insofar as one can understand the logical degrees/gradations (amongst muslims, for one of many instances) of "I know what's right, and you're clearly not serious enough to even see it properly - but I am, and I therefore do."
@@justinklenkI don’t think he was more conservative, rather, he held a radical interpretation of Christianity. For instance, according to his wife Catherine he repeatedly denied baby Samuel the sacrament of baptism. He called the rulers of the settlement false Christians so perhaps he did not wish to subject Samuel to their rule but denying infant baptism is nonetheless blasphemous. It allowed the witch to use the unbaptized Christian baby for its unholy ritual. Catherine would point out how he’s a pathological liar and broke their convenient with God. This is probably what made them subject to being directly targeted by the Witch and the Devil in the movie.
@@Losojostristes
It was actually the more "conservative" Christians who thought baptism should not be granted until the child had grown more. So yes, Samuel was as yet unbaptized as the story deepens.
But anyway, William's "sin" in this tale was sanctimony - his sanctimonious ego that proudly emigrated them from safety and into an unforgiving fate.
@@justinklenk No, in fact, infant baptism was required by law in many of these Puritan settlements. The "conservatives" wanted to preserve and enforce the institution of infant baptism while the radical (for its time) "credobaptists" were persecuted for believing baptism ashould be a choice made by "true believers". I still go back to Catherine being hysterical over her husband denying baby Samuel baptism, being a liar, and breaking their covenant with God because it went against everything she was raised to believe. Yeah, William was definitely prideful, blinded by his own ego to go so far as to get him and his family exiled by their people and abandoned by God.
@@Losojostristes it’s awful the whole family was doomed eventually starting from his crimes
"I'm here to even the odds. Any objections?"
Ralph Ineson, Final Fantasy XVI
I like how they get banished from their village and the Indians are allowed to go in 2:02
What is the meaning though?
@@kallias.3503 of what?
@@marissachavez9065 i mean is it random that they show that or has a significant meaning? The entry of the native americans? Even they were surprised
@@kallias.3503 ahh ok even though they did not like each other or trusted each, they would still go to each other to trade but I find it funny how it seems like they trust them more here to even let them in their village while the family are banished from it
This was the beginning of the end; they were sent out of the safety of god's grace and protection, and in the wilderness they were susceptible to satan.
But the movie glorifies this descent into hell. That's what bothers me. Hell, you have feminists talking about how perfect this movie is for female empowerment. Fuck the fact that in order to become a witch, they had to use the blood of her murdered baby brother.
But it could also be said that the oppressive nature of the puritan god and the self hate it preaches made them susceptible to the evils of the devil
Oppressive nature of god?? Christ? Are you kidding me? It's called enforcing common decency. Common decency is not oppression. What is best for our children and their children is not oppression. Ever hear of the Weimar Republic? It was Germany before Hitler took over. We're talking about economic and spiritual hell. Moral degradation and degeneracy were rampant. And then, Germany became the most Christian nation. It became a paradise.
lmao, it doesn't glorify the descent into hell. It's a scary folktale. It's supposed to be scry and tragic. From the position of the characters, they were ex-communicated and therefore satan got them. From a modern audiences view, it varies. You can blame god for not helping them, the witches or satan for preying on them, the parents for not listening or paying enough attention, the dad for causing them to have to leave, the religion for being too difficult for them to follow etc etc. It depends on how you translate it. And some feminists say that, but not all. It isn't a position from the actual ideology as a whole.
@@LukeLovesRose Well, of course it appeals to feminism. They love casual infanticide and using the body parts of male babies as beauty products.
In fact this whole film appealed to their sick utopian fantasy - the evil patriarchal family unit that oppressed her by expecting her to do her share of work is brutally killed off, and now she gets to spend her life dancing around naked, taking part in debauched, bloody sex acts with the other hags and having all her wants and needs magically provided by her murderous, Satanic pimp daddy.
Yup, feminism in a nutshell.
As a student of history, every time I watch this movie it makes more sense inbso many contexts.
The Governor sitting in the middle of the table is none other than Death himself from Supernatural!
The weak father is to blame for this. He was banished and sacrificed his own family, for some stupid theological dispute: proud, conceited and weak, the father is the true villain of this movie.
For claiming to be a true Christian, William seems to have a lot of pride.
Feel so bad for his eldest daughter. Not going to act like being among the puritans would have been peaches and cream, but at least shed be among her peers.
So basically the whole thing was the fathers fault from start to finish?
And the mother's later in the film. The whole family was pretty much a mess except for Thomasin.
The fathers pride is the reason for the family being banished. Each character had their faults which the devil exploited.
When you realize that this is the second relative that Lysa Tully tried to have killed, but failed.
How sadly hath the Lord testified against you
William should've listened to the Judges, the *unfavorable* situations would not have come to be...
This was a lot better than the lighthouse.
Why didst thou spill thy beans, daughter?
Both are great films
Not even close. The witch is fucking boring.
i agree wholeheartedly
@@bookeblade How sadly hath the Lord testified against you
Love Ralph Ineson's voice. First heard it in Assassins Creed Black Flag as Charles Vane.
Beautiful, deep sonorous voice. It almost sounds ancient.
Beyond that I also love how he and Kate Dickie look in this film. Like they could be real people from that time
When did it stop being the norm for men to wear hats in court?
Friend: Ur mom thee gay
You: Nay u
Nay thee.
How sadly hath the Lord testified against you.
thine mum happy
nay thee
That voice tho... sounds similar to the announcer of SEALS in call of duty black ops 2 multiplayer.
AMAZING MOVIE!!!
Frankenstein, too.
The vvitch, the lighthouse and next the northman. Enough said 👌🏻
And also his next project Nosferatu
@@el_chief_dannyboy wow, that'll be awesome
hold up, any taylor joy is going to be in the northman and nosferatu?
@@merloaf0332 yeah pretty much
I forgot: other than just general pride, do we ever find out what the transgression actually was?
No, it never says what their doctrinal difference was.
After they left England; the rest of us had a party
Oh you were there?
They should have at least waited until the next day to travel. It sucks to go at night.
Finchy:
"..SQUEAL PIGGY SQUEAL!!..."
Amazing details in this movie, like the indians at 2:00 come into the civilisation and those who built it, went out.
Excellent observation. But it looks like theyre there to trade, notice the pelts one of them has.
@@double-og4570 yes you´re right but even this option of trade is gone by leaving this plantation. The "wild" ones are WAY more connected to civilisation than Thomasins family.
That's if you consider rape disease famine and genocide civilization so it was in Europe not here
@@incaguaya what do you mean by it was In Europe and not here ? It’s in America
I would like to know what exactly he did to be put in Trial and what was that all about. He say he's done nothing but spread the gospel and Jesus teachings and he can't be judged by fake christians and while cleary Very Prideful (it's his sin), given how the puritans and the church were, i could see it being "kind" of true BIG Quotation Marks (you will always be pretty apart from Jesus original Message and Teachings as Puritan of that time like William was), maybe he was as close as one could be, with the exception of his exessive pride, at least more so then the Church as a whole(any of them at the time), so i could see him being in the right by just trying to follow Jesus teachings as best as he could which eventually caused him to but heads with the Church and what they wanted, of course as far as they concerned their word is the same as Jesus and God but William definitly mishandled that situation because of his Pride which led them to be cast out.
the chiaroscuro...! so much like a vermeer or rembrandt
Then take your leave and trouble us no further and as always, thou art a wretched sinner utterly unworthy of God’s love. A fountain of pollution is deep within thy nature, and thou livest like a winter tree, unprofitable, fit only to be hewn down and burnt. Steep thy life in prayer and hope that God sees fit to show mercy on thy corrupted soul.
Well of course the family was screwed. The Governor is Death himself
Anyone wanted to punch The father?
His opinionated self caused everything in motion.The sufferings of his children, his wife, the animals. Why can't there ever be a horror without daft stubborn characters.
Yes he damned the whole family
Ralph Ineson should have won an Oscar.
I recognize the Plymouth Plantation in Massachusetts.
What crimes was he charged with?
Preaching to Natives?
I think just preaching wrongfully or something idk something to do with god
I wonder if he auditioned for the part of Ned Stark. I love Sean Bean and as always he was fantastic, but this guy has more of the Stark look and could easily have been Benjen's brother. And that VOICE.
Apparently he played an ironborn raider...
Thomasin is reluctant to leave the village because she knows Dad has a few loose screws and things will not go well out in the woods. She becomes the only surviving family member after Satan is finished with them. Smart girl : she joins his coven never again having to wear those Puritan clothes.
I do love this film marvelous much.
When I saw this immediately, the first thing that came to my head “society”. This is exactly how I see every organization every club every group. Just weird, ritualistic and insecure maybe. 😅
anyone else have a lot of trouble buffering this? it almost never loads for me.
Yeah I had that trouble to I don’t know what Hell is going on?
@@randomguy56789 I have no idea, I've sent it to a few friends and its just this video. No one can seem to load it.
I JUS REALIZED , AFTER WATCHIN' THIS MOVIE A 100 TIMES, THIS IS THE SAME VOICE BLACK PHILIP IS AT THE END.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAJAJAJ
From the second this movie began I knew it was fucked
It's Death the Horseman from Supernatural !
Who did William's voice....
William is played by Ralph Ineson
I'd live right on the outskirts of town and be a witch of the woods
Same here
Ralph Ineson's voice is one of my favorite ones right next to J.K. Simmons' and Keith David's.
For anyone who might still see this, it turns out "We are your judges, and not you ours" was an actual phrase used during the trial of Anne Hutchinson in 1637. Having been a leading figure in the "Antinomian Controversy", and angering many prominent Puritans like John Winthrop (then Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony), she was told this line after having repeatedly and boldly staved off accusations of heresy and stirring discontent in the colony in the name of radical separatism.
I read about this in chapter 14 of Bernard Bailyn's "Barbarous Years" if anyone is wondering!
What kind of name for a girl is Thomasin?
It was common in the 17th century. Female version of Thomas