Next thing ya know Andy will be producing an epic full length feature film with adventures in the desert, hunting minerals and clay in mysterious and breathtaking landscapes, building stealth fires at dawn, battling the elements and Javalinas to bring these treasures to us and then taking a nap under a tree. :)
@@AncientPottery Please accept this History Nugget with the positive intentions it's being offered with. History is one of my Degrees and remains a Passion that borders on Obsession, I continue to be a Student of History, an avid Researcher. The "carpenter" profession assignment to Joseph actually came from a misinterpreted translation of the History/Texts that were being translated from Greek to Old English in the Middle Ages. We must remember that the KJV is King James VERSION. What Joseph actually was is very likely more akin to an Ancient Alchemist and/or Metallurgist" Alchemists were the early Science/Chemistry and Ancient Knowledge keepers. Spiritual was more a value held equal or greater than the Physical. Unlike the Academics influenced by their "19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline" and later 20th Century application of "Must have Matter to be Accepted, Attitude" that came to prevail and get us off the more accurate road of Explorations and Discoveries that were intended to be guided by the "Standards of Science and Research" ... There are just a number, large number, of current ideas, accepted as facts, based on inaccurate transitions, interpretations, and our attempts to understand History and Ancient History life and experiences, from our Modern Mind's ideas and perspectives. There's been a great deal of "Influencers" along the way: Roman Emperor's, Fundamentalist Popes and Clergy Guys, generally the succession of varies Personalities all desiring Controlling the Masses for their Power and Status. one thing that hasn't changed much is "the Human "Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind", the associated traits and behaviors. Regardless of Fox News's fostering the idea that anyone who claims a potential conspiracy is "a Tin Foil Hat Guy", and the associated presumption that ("there doesn't exist and behaviors of Conspiring for any gain"). I would question that perspective as having had a misguided influence. lol Love you videos! Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian 21st Century coming to terms with the very real emotional Cognitive Dissonance associated with "Awakening to greater Reality Facts" (in both directions: those whom establish beliefs system on Religion and those whom did based on 20th Century Mainstream Academia's Paradigm" both being influenced by other than facts. As the greater facts emerge, both will bequite surprised, but it is far more Positive and Desirable. Possibly the larger cause of pain may be dealing with the realization that they were simply "wrong", and that requires the Higher Mind to experience without ... reactions. Our Humaness is loveable all the same, and Harmony is found "in the middle".
the red was commonly behind a lot of old gold leafing because it was supposed to like lend an extra little warmth to the gold after you burnish it. I'm not a historian nor do I really know Indiana Jones trivia but I think this prop was designed to be originally a plain clay cup that when the knights of the round found it they painted it red and had it gilded with the processes common in medieval England. kinda neat attention to detail if I'm right
Wow, Andy! you really nailed it! When you're the artist, it's hard not to see where you need to improve! When you're the audience, it looks perfect! From what I can see, these are all wonderful. Love the intro! Such a great video! Thanks for the Indiana Jones theme. I could honestly say Indiana Jones had inspired me to search for relics! Found a few in my day and had a lot of fun and adventure! Now I'm too old, But I still search anyway! I leave all the relics where they are, but I carry them in my mind!
Thanks Mark. You are never too old to find relics. I once knew an old lady with bad arthritis who would drive along dirt roads in her pickup real slow while craning her neck out the window and she would find arrowheads that way.
@@AncientPottery i wish i knew how to share images on here, i made a few pit fired ocarina and thought that those would make for good Videos. The fipple part where you blow is tricky but otherwise its a pot
I think Harrison Ford needs to be a little nervous of the new talent and if fill any one of those cups with wine and you would be a super hero. Keep it up.
Thanks David, I want to keep growing and evolving into different directions. This was a fun project and I will be looking for other opportunities like this for future videos.
I love watching the flames coming out the top of your kiln. Your grails are awesome, I really like the way the gold makes them look. I think fully gilded inside and out would look really impressive. Thank you for sharing another great video with us.
Absolutely gorgeous! Your grail came out 100X better than the prop builders on last crusade. Your grail truly has believability of being an ancient artifact. I would love to own a piece like that.
I've always had a strange compulsion to build a tabla drum, but the form so far out of my ordinary comfort zone, I have yet to try. Your grail building inspires me! Thanks Andy! 😁👍
Awesome project! Hey just my two cents , I get more oxidation in my gas updraft kiln with side holes above the shelf or rack the pots are on. And more reduction with pieces placed in the middle. Anyway those look great !
Maybe chalk paint for for your wash? I think you could just add a dab of plaster of paris or diatomaceous earth to your acrylic wash. Experiment. Should improve adhesion and make the tone a bit foggier. Maybe. I don't know pottery but I do know some about finishes
And I really enjoy your videos. The right amount of info in the right amount of time. And great production, Colors are impressive. And I never get nauseous,
What a coincidence, as I made a replica of the movie prop last summer, although my cat knocked off the table and broke it a week after completing it...lol. nice work though, I did not use any gold leaf either, just spray paint.
These all look fantastic; but I was wondering if you might take a commission to reproduce another one, with the knowledge you gained through this process?
Very cool! Very nice goblets that look just as they should. Considering real grail would have had gold added later as the one JESUS used would not have had gold on it when he used it. Was wandering if same method would be used if instead of base for cup it was on side as handle? I had one I bought like that that handle was hollow & I believe it was what helped handle stay cool when I warmed soup in it. Of course it had a flat bottom that way thick but it still had that bowl look & feel.
Thanks. That would be a fun project, I have seen cups like that. It would be more difficult because the bowl would be weak standing on its side while the bowl is strong standing upside down as it was for this project.
Thanks for another nice video Andy! Best line of the vid: " Ya scrape off da high spots and fill in da low spots". Sounds rather Confucian, but in keeping with the theme, it appears Moses must have had similar sentiments.😁 Hey, is that ocher you're using, a pure limeonite? Thanks again, from Scholle NM! 👍
Thanks for the wisdom Jeff, there are many things the prophets of old can teach us about pottery and vise versa. I like "Does not the potter have authority over the clay?" from the Bible (which is more than I can say for the holy grail). The yellow material is a bit strange. It feels like clay, it is sticky and will form a crackled texture when dry, so you would think it was clay. However if it is just painted onto a pot and fired it will rub off, it doesn't harden in the fire, so I call it ochre. Now whether it is pure limonite or something else, I don't know, but it does fire a nice red color.
@@AncientPotteryHey that's not my wisdom. You say that in the video! You are the Sage of the day! Yeah, limonite can decompose into a kinda mudstone, and is often found in close proximity. I love the range of colors it fires. It seems more sensitive to temp and atmosphere in my experience.
I really enjoyed this episode! Have you thought about making pottery from other American cultures outside the southwest? I'd love to see you try making something authentic thats outside your usual fare.
I'm open to ideas but it needs to be something that inspires me. Much of the plains woodland tradition doesn't really do it for me. I have been trying to do more videos that are not specific to the Southwest though. Like how to find and process wild clay, how to seal earthenware, making brick kilns, etc.
Most gold size will work, it depends on how porous the surface is as to how it will stick. Real leaf can be applied with just pressure and / or heat. Burnishing the leaf after application will help keep loose edges down
there is one small nitpick with your grail, in the movie, the bottom of the grail should be sealed off, but yours is open. It is still a great imitation, nonetheless!
I don’t believe an authentically made “cup of a carpenter” would have been. Ceramics are not made with big solid chunks so if it were solid it would have been filled afterward. But with what and why. Yes I see the prop was closed at the bottom but that was prop-makers inexperienced in how things were made long ago IMO.
I have no idea. I thought it was a fun video, a little different from my usual but still on subject and with a pop culture tie in. But it was a complete flop, worst performing video of the year.
Next thing ya know Andy will be producing an epic full length feature film with adventures in the desert, hunting minerals and clay in mysterious and breathtaking landscapes, building stealth fires at dawn, battling the elements and Javalinas to bring these treasures to us and then taking a nap under a tree. :)
HA! I could make most of that film by cobbling together old videos I have. Javalinas though, hmmm, new video ideas.
LOL, I want to see him drinking wine out of it!
I got the popcorn ready.
Y'all make me LOL
@@AncientPottery
Please accept this History Nugget with the positive intentions it's being offered with. History is one of my Degrees and remains a Passion that borders on Obsession, I continue to be a Student of History, an avid Researcher.
The "carpenter" profession assignment to Joseph actually came from a misinterpreted translation of the History/Texts that were being translated from Greek to Old English in the Middle Ages.
We must remember that the KJV is King James VERSION.
What Joseph actually was is very likely more akin to an Ancient Alchemist and/or Metallurgist"
Alchemists were the early Science/Chemistry and Ancient Knowledge keepers.
Spiritual was more a value held equal or greater than the Physical.
Unlike the Academics influenced by their "19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline" and later 20th Century application of "Must have Matter to be Accepted, Attitude" that came to prevail and get us off the more accurate road of Explorations and Discoveries that were intended to be guided by the "Standards of Science and Research" ...
There are just a number, large number, of current ideas, accepted as facts, based on inaccurate transitions, interpretations, and our attempts to understand History and Ancient History life and experiences, from our Modern Mind's ideas and perspectives.
There's been a great deal of "Influencers" along the way: Roman Emperor's, Fundamentalist Popes and Clergy Guys, generally the succession of varies Personalities all desiring Controlling the Masses for their Power and Status.
one thing that hasn't changed much is "the Human "Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind", the associated traits and behaviors.
Regardless of Fox News's fostering the idea that anyone who claims a potential conspiracy is "a Tin Foil Hat Guy", and the associated presumption that ("there doesn't exist and behaviors of Conspiring for any gain"). I would question that perspective as having had a misguided influence. lol
Love you videos!
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
21st Century coming to terms with the very real emotional Cognitive Dissonance associated with "Awakening to greater Reality Facts" (in both directions: those whom establish beliefs system on Religion and those whom did based on 20th Century Mainstream Academia's Paradigm" both being influenced by other than facts.
As the greater facts emerge, both will bequite surprised, but it is far more Positive and Desirable.
Possibly the larger cause of pain may be dealing with the realization that they were simply "wrong", and that requires the Higher Mind to experience without ... reactions.
Our Humaness is loveable all the same, and Harmony is found "in the middle".
the red was commonly behind a lot of old gold leafing because it was supposed to like lend an extra little warmth to the gold after you burnish it. I'm not a historian nor do I really know Indiana Jones trivia but I think this prop was designed to be originally a plain clay cup that when the knights of the round found it they painted it red and had it gilded with the processes common in medieval England. kinda neat attention to detail if I'm right
I tried making this back in clay class in high school. Cool to see someone actually make a good one.
Thanks
Wow, Andy! you really nailed it! When you're the artist, it's hard not to see where you need to improve! When you're the audience, it looks perfect! From what I can see, these are all wonderful. Love the intro! Such a great video! Thanks for the Indiana Jones theme. I could honestly say Indiana Jones had inspired me to search for relics! Found a few in my day and had a lot of fun and adventure! Now I'm too old, But I still search anyway! I leave all the relics where they are, but I carry them in my mind!
Thanks Mark. You are never too old to find relics. I once knew an old lady with bad arthritis who would drive along dirt roads in her pickup real slow while craning her neck out the window and she would find arrowheads that way.
This was a fun watch and result. Nice work!
I love this movie. Very cool.
Thank you
Thanks for the video I really enjoyed this, and wouldn't mind seeing more ancient pottery from other cultures
You're welcome, I hope to do a little branching out into different parts if the world in the future.
@@AncientPottery i wish i knew how to share images on here, i made a few pit fired ocarina and thought that those would make for good Videos. The fipple part where you blow is tricky but otherwise its a pot
I think Harrison Ford needs to be a little nervous of the new talent and if fill any one of those cups with wine and you would be a super hero. Keep it up.
LOL, thanks Wes!
This is just the kind of video that has appeal to a wider fan basis. Good job Andy I look forward to your new videos
Thanks David, I want to keep growing and evolving into different directions. This was a fun project and I will be looking for other opportunities like this for future videos.
I love watching the flames coming out the top of your kiln. Your grails are awesome, I really like the way the gold makes them look. I think fully gilded inside and out would look really impressive. Thank you for sharing another great video with us.
The gold really makes the pottery pop doesn't it? It gives me ideas.... You are welcome, thanks for watching and commenting.
Great project!
Thank you!
Soooo, now we know what goes on deep inside the Castle Aaaaargh! :) That was fun to watch, and surprisingly inspiring.😄
"deep inside the castle" LOL! More like on my back porch after dark. Glad you enjoyed it!
Absolutely gorgeous! Your grail came out 100X better than the prop builders on last crusade. Your grail truly has believability of being an ancient artifact. I would love to own a piece like that.
Thank you so much 😊
What a great idea. Yesterday I bought a golden glace and now I know what to do with it. Greetings from Berlin in Germany. I like your videos very much
I am glad you are enjoying them. Thanks and greetings from Arizona.
Variety is the spice, what a fun idea! Great job
Thanks
I've always had a strange compulsion to build a tabla drum, but the form so far out of my ordinary comfort zone, I have yet to try. Your grail building inspires me!
Thanks Andy! 😁👍
Yeah that is something I am interested in too. Some day it will come to this channel.
@@AncientPottery Nice, if I get to it before you do, I'll send you the cliff-notes!👍
Awesome project! Hey just my two cents , I get more oxidation in my gas updraft kiln with side holes above the shelf or rack the pots are on. And more reduction with pieces placed in the middle. Anyway those look great !
Thanks for the tip Jeff.
Maybe chalk paint for for your wash? I think you could just add a dab of plaster of paris or diatomaceous earth to your acrylic wash. Experiment. Should improve adhesion and make the tone a bit foggier. Maybe. I don't know pottery but I do know some about finishes
And I really enjoy your videos. The right amount of info in the right amount of time. And great production, Colors are impressive. And I never get nauseous,
Good tips, thanks.
Great video Andy. I learned a lot.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching.
Margarita glasses!
Perfect!
I got an idea. Scuff the pot, then apply the gold! It'll show through.
Yes, great idea!
Absolutely great video !
Thank you very much!
Great video tho..always learning
Glad you enjoyed it.
What a coincidence, as I made a replica of the movie prop last summer, although my cat knocked off the table and broke it a week after completing it...lol. nice work though, I did not use any gold leaf either, just spray paint.
That's cool. I made a video talking about dangers to pottery and cats were high on that list.
These all look fantastic; but I was wondering if you might take a commission to reproduce another one, with the knowledge you gained through this process?
Maybe, if you are interested contact me through my website ancientpottery.how
Love it!
Thanks!!
Very cool! Very nice goblets that look just as they should. Considering real grail would have had gold added later as the one JESUS used would not have had gold on it when he used it.
Was wandering if same method would be used if instead of base for cup it was on side as handle? I had one I bought like that that handle was hollow & I believe it was what helped handle stay cool when I warmed soup in it. Of course it had a flat bottom that way thick but it still had that bowl look & feel.
Thanks. That would be a fun project, I have seen cups like that. It would be more difficult because the bowl would be weak standing on its side while the bowl is strong standing upside down as it was for this project.
Just brilliant, looks amazing. If you wanted a more matte finish, a chalk paint might stick better and be more opaque
Great tip, I hadn't considered chalk paint, that might be a nice effect.
Cool video I fired a Jar today and everything fired good but the top can I fire it again are will it brake ?
Yes, you can keep refiring until you get it right.
@@AncientPottery OK thank you I posted the clay with egg shells in your group
Hey Andy, Big fan here! wondering if your Grail repro was used in the expedition unknown with Josh Gates? it sure looked like your repro he used.
No, I have never seen that show and I know where all 3 of the grails I made are located.
@@AncientPottery Well its a beautiful piece. Thanks for the reply and keep the great work coming!
Thanks for another nice video Andy!
Best line of the vid: " Ya scrape off da high spots and fill in da low spots". Sounds rather Confucian, but in keeping with the theme, it appears Moses must have had similar sentiments.😁
Hey, is that ocher you're using, a pure limeonite?
Thanks again, from Scholle NM! 👍
Thanks for the wisdom Jeff, there are many things the prophets of old can teach us about pottery and vise versa. I like "Does not the potter have authority over the clay?" from the Bible (which is more than I can say for the holy grail).
The yellow material is a bit strange. It feels like clay, it is sticky and will form a crackled texture when dry, so you would think it was clay. However if it is just painted onto a pot and fired it will rub off, it doesn't harden in the fire, so I call it ochre. Now whether it is pure limonite or something else, I don't know, but it does fire a nice red color.
@@AncientPotteryHey that's not my wisdom. You say that in the video! You are the Sage of the day!
Yeah, limonite can decompose into a kinda mudstone, and is often found in close proximity. I love the range of colors it fires. It seems more sensitive to temp and atmosphere in my experience.
@@jeffreyconnell8410 yeah that has been my experience too. Try looking along the Mongolian Rim in Arizona, lots of the stuff up there.
@@AncientPottery Ahhhh, the stuff of bucket lists... 😄
I really enjoyed this episode! Have you thought about making pottery from other American cultures outside the southwest? I'd love to see you try making something authentic thats outside your usual fare.
I'm open to ideas but it needs to be something that inspires me. Much of the plains woodland tradition doesn't really do it for me. I have been trying to do more videos that are not specific to the Southwest though. Like how to find and process wild clay, how to seal earthenware, making brick kilns, etc.
@@AncientPottery totally understandable! what about Moche pottery? If that doesn't inspire you, I don't know what would.
Hi Andy, Where did you get that particular brand of metal leaf adhesive? Didn't find it on Amazon, I am near Tucson, Thanks
Hobby Lobby
@@AncientPottery Thanks.
Most gold size will work, it depends on how porous the surface is as to how it will stick. Real leaf can be applied with just pressure and / or heat. Burnishing the leaf after application will help keep loose edges down
Check out that hat ..Andy cool
Thanks!
The smallest of your grails, or even smaller than that, seems more like a real cup for wine.
Depends on how much wine you want to drink
@@AncientPottery The one Odysseus served to Polyphemus must have been bigger than any of them.
there is one small nitpick with your grail, in the movie, the bottom of the grail should be sealed off, but yours is open. It is still a great imitation, nonetheless!
I don’t believe an authentically made “cup of a carpenter” would have been. Ceramics are not made with big solid chunks so if it were solid it would have been filled afterward. But with what and why. Yes I see the prop was closed at the bottom but that was prop-makers inexperienced in how things were made long ago IMO.
I think steel wool (super fine) would have worked for roughing up the "gold" leaf.
Yes, I think that is a good idea. You would need to carefully clean up all the loose edges afterward. Thanks.
Is slip just really wet clay?
If it is just wet clay, how did you get it so yellow?
Does that work the same as the paint that you add to your pots?
Thank you ❤😊
Slip is just clay in a thin solution. This slip was made from yellow clay, that's why it is yellow.
Are the imitation gold leaf, and the glue for it, food-safe?
I wasn't even thinking about that when I made it. I suppose that information might be found on the packaging of the gold leaf and glue.
My thought exactly. Fake gold, acrylic spray. Yummy.
Love to make it but wouldn't that be toxic to use?
Why are there so few views on this video compared to your other videos?
I have no idea. I thought it was a fun video, a little different from my usual but still on subject and with a pop culture tie in. But it was a complete flop, worst performing video of the year.
Bad news! Jesus never existed.
This video is merely about a fictional cup in a Hollywood movie. No theological discussions here please.